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My point was to someone coming onto a forum such as this, with a blunt and untrue statement that one of these cars is clearly better in every way than another, is pure bunk.
They are both excellent cars, with most of the differences due to very different customer demographics.
The Max is a family four door hot rod, while the MM is an elegant family four door cruiser. Overall I find the Millenia much more pleasant to drive, because I am not a hot rodder anymore.
It stands to reason that most of the people who have purchased a Millenia and are happy with it are not interested in hearing from folks who found what they believe to be a better choice. If any of you folks who want to explain why any other vehicle is better than the Milennia, you are invited to create such a discussion on the Sedans comparisons board.
Let's let this discussion focus primarily on its topic.
Thanks.
Pat
Sedans Host
Feel free to let me know if you need any help finding your way around.
Pat
Sedans Host
You have obviously been reading this MM forum for awhile, so you are aware of the problem with a couple of trolls who have frequented it. And while maximase2002 professes not to be flaming MM, his posts come out as if he is. I have no problem with honest disagreement on a given car. But I can understand trying to stop the "my car is great, yours can't even come close to it" type posts. They seem aimed at starting arguments, and succeed at that goal.
I don't go to the Max or Camry boards etc and tell them how much better my MM is than their given ride. And really don't understand the need of some people to do that. It just stirs up resentment.
This is a dedicated vehicle discussion (is there an echo in here??).
Comparisons are simply out of place here. We have the perfect place for those conversations. Please take them to the Sedans Comparisons board.
Of course I realize that some comparisons will come up in any dedicated vehicle discussion. If we have one or two comments positive or negative comparing some other vehicle, it's no big deal.
The problem here is that for what seems like months now, a couple of people --- or is it just one?? --- have come here to say over and over again why xxx vehicle is better than the Millenia.
I am saying those statements belong on the Comparisons board and if they continue in this discussion, I will remove them.
If anyone wants to discuss this further, please address me off-line.
Now, let's talk about the Millenia.
Thanks.
Pat
Sedans Host
Thanks
I even might wait to see what the new 2003 Accord looks like.
Frank
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Who is your extended warranty provider? I was thinking of buying extended warranty, but decided to defer until I'm sure I'll keep the car beyond factory warranty.
Thanks,
Tomek
Again, did you try to talk Mazda into covering part of the replacement cost, since you have low miles vehicle? Worth a try...
Tomek
Jayhawk
-the owner there (Geoff Knight) is VERY knowledgable when it comes to the Millenia S. He has a few options you may want to talk with him about.
Post on...
Someone asked why did I chose the Max over the MM, I don't want to flame anyone but the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM and the resale value on the MM is a shame."
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You may not, but I consider the blunt statement "the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM and the resale value on the MM is a shame." to be not only flaming, but also an attempt at a direct and highly biased comparison.
That post is one of the major reasons I started the Nissan Maxima v. Mazda Millenia thread. It is still open for that type of discussion.
I also proved your false allegation about the MM resale value to be pure bunk in that thread, by doing a direct Kelly Blue Book comparison between both models of the MM, and the Max GLE.
If you are not intentionally "flaming" the MM, you are certainly accidentally accomplishing that deed.
I do think that folks' questions about your intent here are legitimate. You say you are interested in lots of vehicles, but still this remains the only discussion in which you have posted.
That's fine, nothing says you cannot do that. But I must say that I've never seen anyone post only in one dedicated-vehicle discussion when that person does not care for that car ... except when the person has set out to disrupt.
I am not accusing you of that. Your posts have not been disrupting. I'm just saying I understand why the folks here are looking at you skeptically.
The way to get the focus off of why you chose the Maxima over the Millennia (which does indeed belong in the discussion fwatson created, not here) is to post a message that doesn't talk about that. Join us and go with the flow. You are - and everyone else is - welcome here as long as you wish to contribute to the conversation in a manner consistent with your Membership Agreement.
Feel free to drop me an email if you have any questions whatsoever.
Thanks!
Pat
Sedans Host
Thanks,
Tomek
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Quote from: http://www.superchargersonline.com (REMOVE THIS) techarticles_detail.asp?RecordID=11
"Can the Kenne Bell supercharger damage my engine or shorten my engine life?
The new car manufacturers don't seem to think so and neither do we. The Mazda Millenia was judged a better car than the Lexus and it has a twin-screw supercharger that is very similar to the Kenne Bell. Then there's the Ford Super Coupe, Jaguar, Buick V6, Mercedes, etc. - all factory equipped with superchargers. Incidentally, NONE are centrifugals."
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I will continue to see what I can find out about the oil problem. I have read that complaint in other forums too.
You may want to back up a few posts from there to get the whole conversation, but that link will take you to a message explaining how to get around that limit.
:-)
Pat
Sedans Host
Now, after the dealer replaced the water pump (under warranty) and did an oil change, 3000 miles later all the oil was gone and the engine is shot. The warranty company first said that they wanted all records of service (6-1/2 years, right), then said that they do not cover anything caused by loss of fluids.
Dealer (who performed oil change) said there was a sludge build up and that it was not unusual to burn off all the oil in 3000 miles, and that he had even seen it happen in 1000 miles.
I think that they did not fill it up full when making the oil change and that, in combination with the sludge, caused the problem.
Now, no one wants to take responsibility, and the car sits at the dealership waiting for some resolve.
I am at a loss as to my possible recourse.
Any help/advise will be greatly appreciated.
You need to stand firm on what you want from them. If you have prior service records of work done there, indicate that vehicle not serviced at other places.
Good luck.
What else should I look for on this car? How solid is the transmission? I see a couple of posts up someone who has had A/c, trans, water pump trouble. What can I expect, and is this sort of trouble typical? Lastly, assuming it passes mechanical inspection, what's it really worth? Car lot is asking about $9000, which is high. How do Mazda's compare with Honda? I have owned Honda's for the last 8 years with good results.
Many thanks!
You say $9000 seems very high to you. What would you consider to be a good price? Car has 64K miles, has service records, recenty 60K service including timing belt. Needs tires within a year. Needs front end alignment. Needs valve cover gaskets again (I think they used an RTV sealant and did not clean the seal surface properly). Needs a rear main oil seal, which the car lot would have to fix before I'd buy. Has had the oil seals at the cam shafts replaced recently. Man, that's a lot of oil leak problems. Is this typical of Mazda 2.5? Interior is virtually new. Exterior suffers from parking lot accident repair, but it's not obvious. Structurally it's perfect. Had it inspected at Mazda dealer, and they found nothing wrong except for what I mention above. Engine runs great, trans shifts flawlessly. Trans fluid looked perfect. No sludge in engine. Brakes and all other fluids are good. You can tell it has not been abused.
Good luck with your Millenia's!
Interesting. You seem to put all Eurpean cars in one group, and any others as inferior to drive.
Does a Yugo possess that "European driving experience"? How about a Citroen 2CV?
I agree the Passat is a nice car, and I hope he enjoys it. But being from Europe gives it no monopoly on being a good car to drive.
Interestingly, that describes the handling characteristics of my Millenia to a T.