)) "...I immediately notice clicking sound from the seat. Make the long story short there was a problem with back seat and they were unable to neither detect nor rectify the problem upon removal and inspection of the seat by Toyota technician..." ((
The Camry SE does not have a 60/40 fold-down rear seatback or a reclinable rear seat. The reason for those deletions is that there's a V-shaped body-stiffening brace directly behind the rear seatback. I'm wondering when you and your spouse sat in the rear seat whether the pressure of your body against the seat back resulted in brief metal-to-metal contact between the rear seatback and the brace which caused the annoying, but harmless clicking noise. If that's the case, removing the rear seat back and applying contact cement and strips of corrugated cardboard as an isolation "cushion" to the surface of the "V" brace would probably silence the clicking annoyance permanently.
)) "Toyota has apparently switched vendors to produce their trannys about a month ago." ((
It's been my understanding from surfing the net that Toyota builds their A/Ts in their own transmission factories in Japan and the U.S. Is this incorrect?
<removing the rear seat back and applying contact cement and strips of corrugated cardboard as an isolation "cushion" to the surface of the "V" brace would probably silence the
If there's a setup where the seatback isn't strong enough to keep you from hitting the braces behind it, I'd let the dealer repair or patch their design problem...
)) "...and of course the transmission thinks its a good idea to drop to a lower gear when passing over every overpass..." ((
Hmmm... Nissan 3.5L V6 motor with 240 hp and 244 lb-ft of torque pushing ~4000 lbs vs. Toyota 2.4L I4 motor with 158 hp and 161 lb-ft of torque pushing 3307 lbs. You're seriously wondering why a vehicle that's nearly 700 lbs lighter is incapable of keeping up with its 82 fewer ponies when climbing and passing? By simple proportion calculation your Camry would need 191 hp to duplicate what your Murano achieves. Even at that, it's still not totally equivalent since I'll wager your Murano has a shorter final drive ratio than your economy-oriented Camry. (The Murano's great for hauling - butt or loads - however, poor for fuel economy...) If you wanted something approaching equivalent performance, you should've opted for a V6 engine in your Camry purchase - and its 268 hp/248 lb-ft. of torque would've STOMPED the Murano without breaking a sweat.
)) "..I'd let the dealer repair or patch their design problem..." ((
To each his own I don't mind going pro-active at least once before I turn a car over to who knows whom - who, like as not, was pulled off washing a car or an emergency trash can emptying to accomodate what the service writer presumed was a "stupid owner trick", wild goose chase complaint. (I know - it's depressing when the realization hits that owners of mass-produced, mid-size, everyman cars don't get the same level of attention that owners of Bentley Continental Flying Spurs get, huh? The world can be cruel...)
>I don't mind going pro-active at least once before I turn a car over to who knows whom - who, like as not, was pulled off washing a car or an emergency trash can emptying to accomodate what the service writer presumed was a "stupid owner trick", wild
I had a qualified mechanic work on my LeSabre each time I took it in. I guess there's a difference in dealer quality from brand to brand.
Hi maximafan- My 07 Camry XLE V6 6-spd had the same issue when slowing and making a right turn. Had the problem from day one. The trans finally died when going to 2nd and 6th, so I opened a case with TMUSA and Toyota promptly replaced the trans and torque converter. This right turn phenomina is GONE. It was very hard to explain what the car was doing and that jerking feeling. The car did this from day one and it took about 2 months (2400 miles) for the 2/6 gear trans issue to finally fully manifest. Guess I was a lucky one where Toyota fixed the problem and I'm very happy with the results of the trans mission fix. ES350 is pretty much the same car as the 6-cyl XLE and have read about the same problems, so image the same would occur in the RX if using the same 6-speed trans. However, I too have read much that the problem has been resolved on newer 6-speed transmissions. Just wanted to share that I too had that same right turn issue.
...Toyota's in a race to beat GM to the Number 1 slot by producing 9.8 million vehicles by the end of next year. These quality bugaboos happen in such situations. GM actually built 9.2 million vehicles last year. Its second highest output in its entire history.
I wasn't comparing the two cars performance. I was comparing the reliability of the two. When I drive the Murano it drives the way I want it to. When I drive the Camry it drives the way it wants to. I have left All 6cyl. Camrys in the dust with my varyspeed trans. There is absolutely no contest. You are right about the gas milage though. The Murano actually cruises as good as a Maxima and is more comfortable.
)) "...so toyota engine is not actually "toyota engine"? and how did you know that they changed the vendors? do you have any proof?" ((
Proof of what - that you've taken what I posted completely out of context? I posted nothing regarding Toyota's vendors. I only referenced Toyota's automatic transmissions, not Toyota engines. :confuse:
We bought the 4 cyl Camry LE in May, it now has 4,000 miles. I do have a new twist to this problem. This morning the temperature was only in 60's in Atlanta and guess what.. no problem with the transmission jerking, shifting and hesitating. Could it be the weather? Does this seem possible that the weather would have something to do with the transmission????
Does this seem possible that the weather would have something to do with the transmission????
It could be a simple fix like you suggest but the transmission will never be fixed UNTIL TOYOTA ADMITS TO THE PROBLEM!!! Like that will ever happen!! Why hasn't the 2007 Camry problems been published in local newspapers? I'm begining to think the automobile advertiseing business and every thing associated with it is about as honest as The United Nations. I did see Consumer Reports Lower it's Quality Rating of Toyota from Excellent to Average though.
announced a week ago Monday NHTSA news conference, a couple of days after Ford and GM annouced that THEY had decided to make it 'standard equipment' at some time prior to the 2010 date. Yeah, right!! AFAIK there is no correlation between VSC and Toyota's transmission behaviors - the point of my post being that it is the electronic control systems that MUST be in place for the mfgrs. to even be able to offer things like VSC in the first place. VSC/TRAC/ABS is a decision that is being made for us, but it doesn't seem that the mfgrs. are having a lot of luck incorporating systems like this without effecting driveability. We all suffer while they work this and compliance to CAFE regs. out.
"We bought the 4 cyl Camry LE in May, it now has 4,000 miles. I do have a new twist to this problem. This morning the temperature was only in 60's in Atlanta and guess what.. no problem with the transmission jerking, shifting and hesitating. Could it be the weather? Does this seem possible that the weather would have something to do with the transmission????"
lol. franc, here's to hoping that it wasn't the cool weather this morning and that your 07 has finally adjusted itself to you like others have said. But, if it was the cool weather, then you'd be the second to note this and may be the beginning of the trend, after damon34 that is.
let us know if any hesitation returns on the drive home or in the next week.
"It's been my understanding from surfing the net that Toyota builds their A/Ts in their own transmission factories in Japan and the U.S. Is this incorrect?"
You could be correct. I should have been alittle more clear... my apologies. I read this in another forum from someone who has been in comunication with a Toyota tech rep for the past month prior to ordering his SE V-6. He wanted assurances that he wouldn't have the 'tranny' issues that others have been having and was told that the 'vendors' that produce the trannys have been changed, and that this could be verified upon delivery.
"I had the same question. so toyota engine is not actually "toyota engine"? and how did you know that they changed the vendors? do you have any proof?"
hey ilovecars1, I haven't heard anything about Toyota not manufacturing their own engines. But as I mentioned in my previous post, I read this from someone else who was alittle scared of what he had been reading and was able to communicate with Toyota for some assurances about the transmissions.
Like I said, I'll see if I can get some details. That said, I'm well over 8000 kms now in my SE I4 5A... and still extremely happy.
I have found that during heavy road traffic, I mean when you can only advance 5 to 20 feet before having to make a full stop, theres a light "clack" feeling in the steering wheel when you start to move forward, its like something in the front of the car moves just a little bit. Cannot listen anything, just feels in you hands. It is noticeable after being driving for more than 15 minutes and it is very difficult to detect when the car is cold
"I read on line about a month ago that Toyota was opening a big tranny company in one of the baltic countrys. They do not build them all in Japan."
Yup, I read something about that too. But, I was under the impression that the new factories were going to be used to supply Toyota's push into the European market. None of their products were to be used in N. America nor in Japan. Could be wrong, but it makes sense, no?
)) "...This morning the temperature was only in 60's in Atlanta and guess what.. no problem with the transmission jerking, shifting and hesitating. Could it be the weather?..." ((
Hate to tell ya' this, but you could be onto something. With cooler weather, the ECM will supply a richer mixture to the engine during warm-up. (Those of us old enough remember pulling out the ol' dash-mounted "choke" knob to do this manually.) I believe there've already been posts suggesting the hesitation is a "flat spot" in power output due to too lean a fuel mixture under certain conditions. There's no question that a lean-mix problem could be elliminated through changing the fuel delivery mapping at certain temperatures/barometric pressures. The question arises, though, whether doing so will knock the cars out of compliance with upcoming state and EPA emissions regulations. (It'll be interesting to see how well the next generation "N" and "Ho" cars fare in drivability...) An earlier post suggested Toyota had worked out a re-flash solution but was waiting to complete testing to submit compliance data to the EPA for approval (or something along those lines - memory fades fast at my age...). That might also explain Toyota's reticence to admit the problem and promise owners help is on the way. There's no telling how long it would take the EPA and those state agencies mandating PZEV compliance to get off the stick with their fuel mixture remapping approval notifications. These comments are just my own seat of the pants speculation, so treat them as such. (and to those who believe I'm fulla baloney, PHHHhhhhhtt! )
As a passive onlooker in this and other Camry topics, I can't stop thinking what I'm seeing in this one is just 10 or 20 individuals bent on telling the world they shouldn't be buying a Camry for God knows what reasons. The same individuals seem to appear in other Edmunds forums quite regularly with the same message. I also see many of these screen names in other Toyota forums elsewhere such as Toyota Nation, with the same message too. Shift delay and intershift flare are the latest hotbuttons, but the trend here often seems to quickly drift into condemnations of Toyota for all sorts of evils, especially how toyota is to be avoided because of this or that reason. I am considering an 07 Camry, and that's why these forums interest me. But I'm looking for real issues, not the same old/same old every day. I have test driven several Camrys, and a few that my co workers and friends own, and seen or heard nothing but praise. I personally have not experienced any of the quirks talked about here, and I haven't yet had anyone complain about these things in their cars. Several posts talk of mediochre reviews by the pros. I haven't found one yet. Not one mention of the hot buttons being flogged to death here as typical of every Camry in the world. Camry sales are through the roof, yet the regulars here say all these owners must be (or will be) dissatisfied because of this or that. So why are so many people buying them, and why isn't the media full of reports of dissatisfied owners? I wish that we could see more real problems from many more people, not just the same daily clique of who appear to be just disgruntled owners gnashing their teeth in a public forum only because it's there!
I went to toyota and told them about the weather issue, so they hooked it up on a computer and found nothing.He didnt say the car was right he just said that it doesnt drive any different than any other camry. But who knows someother dealership might figure it out so it wouldnt hurt to go to the dealership and ask them to put it on a computer.But my car has maybe hesitated 3 times in the last view weeks and it wasnt even that bad. Still have a bad tranny problem shifts all the time, and cruise is still terrible. but it does make since why the car didnt hesitate when I bought it in March and started up when the weather got hot and muggie.
With thanks, and all due respect to your inference re taking a chance buying a Camry, I really don't think anyone really has much to worry about. Everything I see, read, and hear from real people tells me this. Like I said, I just wish the committed Camry bashers would quiet down a little and then we'll see what real people really have to say.
Thank you. Yes I think tomorrow the camry will be gone. I have really tried to look at the car more closely now since i got done in on this camry. I have 3 cars I am looking at. I almost bought a v6 camry se, I was there talking the deal, told them I would think about it, came back home and read more camry woes and remembered how Toyota treated me on this car. They were not giving me any specail deals because of my car. Basically I was going to take a hit of 4000 dollars on my car whoever I trade it to. So I passed up the camry. I really like the looks of my SE, But I cant take the risk of getting abad one. I dont no if you ever saw pics of my car but they are on here. So I am sorry to say tomorrow the car will be gone, but when I come on here I always hope to find that they have come up with a solution to our problems and that we all can be happy with our camrys. I wish everybody on here goodluck. Maybe somebody will win. My Toyota days are gone and will never tell anybody to buy one, but not goint to go out of my way to stop them either. I am done with this problem. Everybody good luck
No one's stopping you from spending your hard earned money in a premium fashion for a quality '07 Camry. Go and do it. Or, wait for the '08s to come out, maybe some of these bugs will be worked out by then. Or, save a few bucks and buy a Fusion / Milan. Those forums aren't nearly as volitile as the '07 Camry forum. Does that tell you something?
Yes, there is volatility here, and that does tell me something. I conclude there are around 10 or so committed Toyota Camry bashers that are instantly ready to attack anyone who questions their alarmist rhetoric. Reading through this forum proves that conclusively. All the volatility is from one side, and mostly the same people. Perhaps they are the ones promoting other makes, like Fusions? That's why I wish there were more reality posts from real people. PS, how come there are so many others, including all the pros, who aren't seeing those bugs with Camrys?
Yes, there is volatility here, and that does tell me something. I conclude there are around 10 or so committed Toyota Camry bashers that are instantly ready to attack anyone who questions their alarmist rhetoric. Reading through this forum proves that conclusively. All the volatility is from one side, and mostly the same people. Perhaps they are the ones promoting other makes, like Fusions? PS, how come there are so many others, including the pros, who aren't seeing those bugs with their Camrys?
Hmmm, interesting. Of course, one could say the same thing in reverse about the blindly loyal "Japanese cars are better" brigade who repeat the mantra to all and sundry that cars from Japanese makers are virtually perfect while those from North American makers are smoking heaps of wreckage by the time of the second monthly payment. You sound close to this group. Especially since you imply that the Camry woes do not even exist, and instead are the product of an organized smear campaign. Nice. Tell that to the owners here who are having troubles. Of course, according to you, they aren't real either. A fascinating study in denial.
Actually the guy has a point. There are a lot of big 2.5 fans out there waiting for this moment for a long time. All you got to do is look in www.GMInsideNews.com or www.BlueOvalNews.com for such folks.
"PS, how come there are so many others, including all the pros, who aren't seeing those bugs with Camrys?" The "Pros" you speak of are the automotive writers. They don't keep their test vehicles long enough for potential problems to surface, as you have seen is the pattern with those experiencing Camry driveability problems. If you have done your research deep enough, you will see that Toyota has assigned an employee to this forum. Does that tell you that NO problems exist with the '07 Camry? All of those posting here and on the positive forums represent only 'nths of a point percentage sampling. However, the activity attracting Toyota Motor to the point of assigning a blogmiester speaks volumes. You're smart, you've done your research. Go and buy your '07 Camry. You'll be just fine.
I expect that the moderators will be deleting much of this discussion very soon, with intent on "'07 Camry Woes" focus. Nice discussing with y'all. :shades:
Your response is an explicit example of what I'm talking about. Don't bother asking why, just blast anybody who asks questions.Accuse them of being blindly in love with Camry, etc, etc., and maybe they'll go away, or get chased away by the host. This has happpened repeatedly here and that's why I raised the point. In your rush to judgement of me, you overlook a few things. I don't own a Camry. I'm not a fan of Toyota, at least not yet. I never said the problems I called hot buttons didn't exist. I came here looking for info. Call it research if you will. What I found was about a dozen or so posters presenting the same woes again and again, with a lot of emphasis on telling the world not to buy a Camry for any number of reasons. Most of this seemed just alarmist hyperpole to me, and I said as much. I also think any unbiased person would feel the same way. My point was simply to ask for a little relief from the same old/same old, and leave some room for more real people to tell about their problems, then maybe tire kickers like me will get more meaningful feedback to make an informed decision. Instead, this forum appears to me to be more of a chat room for a few disgruntled owners bent on sympathizing with each other, getting the don't buy Camry message out there, and stifle any interference from outsiders.
"I'm pretty sure that TMSUSA is in this and other forums voluntarily" Possible, but a bit risky to be sticking your neck out in that fashion. Too much litigation risk involved to be volunteering as spokesman for a major corporation. If corporate legal caught wind, this guy's job would be on the line in short order. Chances are he's a PR person for ToyotaUSA, with approval from headquarters to deal with the negative forums. Mr. TMUSA, can you verify this?
Actually, TMSUSA has verified that he works in in the cosutmer care centre... you can search this thread for what he has said. Some have questioned whether he was legit or not, so he responded.
this is a problems thread, probably not the only one out there. don't expect too much happy, happy here, or on other problems threads. if you don't want to believe it, put your money down and post how it is working out.
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gagniercamry, you can also look at other forums, like yahoo, msn and you will find similar problems described there. Some people here reallt own a camry and they have troubles. First, I also thought that this forum is not very real, but now I kind of believe in this.
Another note: I met a guy in my gym who owns a camry 07. He said that he has this car for 4 months now, NO problem yet. Also, he mentioned that he owns a 02 camry and these 2 cars are very similar in driving experience.
This forum is no longer about woes. It's now about Toyota vs. Detroit. Apparently, not enough woes to keep the forum going without digressing.
Of course, those who had problems with 07 Camry can post as many times as they like. If I face problems with a new car, I will post at least a couple of dozen times.
You are absulutely right. Most of the posters here don't even own a Camry, let alone a Toyota product. There are a few posters that have had (or have) a legitimate problem. There are others with a perceived problem. Then there's the rest. For the most part it's all hear-say. Toyota has admitted that they HAD a snap ring problem and a cruise control problem. Then there's the searching thing. Every manufacturer with a 6 speed transmission has it.
Can anyone garantee that you won't have a problem if you were to purchase a Camry (or any vehicle)? NO. However, my money is still with Toyota. I'm at the point where I just disreguard many of "same old" posts. Others are quite amusing. Finally, we have no way of verifying the accuracy of any of these posts. Based on what is being posted recently it appears that the "woes" have slowed down considerably. You're on the right track, speak with the people on the street who actually own one.
No malice or disrespect intended to those who actually own a Camry with a real problem. Good Luck in trying to have it rectified.
What's with all the BS here that has nothing to do with Camry Woes?
We have a fair group of people posting to this forum that have or had problems and there are also some people posting here that seek to offer good advice and/or moral support. BUT, I am really tired of the people that get on this forum to offer NO support, NO experience, and/or NO comments related to the forum topic......
Start another forum, or post somewhere else, but DO take your comments elsewhere.
Come on, moderators - for those of us who have problems and want to discuss them in a sensible manner without having TROLLS causing problems - clean this forum up.
I am experiencing the same problem. It feels like something is loose or something is in the way of the steering at low speeds. Have brought this up to the dealer? Was your car manufactured in KY?
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The Camry SE does not have a 60/40 fold-down rear seatback or a reclinable rear seat. The reason for those deletions is that there's a V-shaped body-stiffening brace directly behind the rear seatback. I'm wondering when you and your spouse sat in the rear seat whether the pressure of your body against the seat back resulted in brief metal-to-metal contact between the rear seatback and the brace which caused the annoying, but harmless clicking noise. If that's the case, removing the rear seat back and applying contact cement and strips of corrugated cardboard as an isolation "cushion" to the surface of the "V" brace would probably silence the clicking annoyance permanently.
It's been my understanding from surfing the net that Toyota builds their A/Ts in their own transmission factories in Japan and the U.S. Is this incorrect?
If there's a setup where the seatback isn't strong enough to keep you from hitting the braces behind it, I'd let the dealer repair or patch their design problem...
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Hmmm... Nissan 3.5L V6 motor with 240 hp and 244 lb-ft of torque pushing ~4000 lbs vs. Toyota 2.4L I4 motor with 158 hp and 161 lb-ft of torque pushing 3307 lbs. You're seriously wondering why a vehicle that's nearly 700 lbs lighter is incapable of keeping up with its 82 fewer ponies when climbing and passing? By simple proportion calculation your Camry would need 191 hp to duplicate what your Murano achieves. Even at that, it's still not totally equivalent since I'll wager your Murano has a shorter final drive ratio than your economy-oriented Camry. (The Murano's great for hauling - butt or loads - however, poor for fuel economy...) If you wanted something approaching equivalent performance, you should've opted for a V6 engine in your Camry purchase - and its 268 hp/248 lb-ft. of torque would've STOMPED the Murano without breaking a sweat.
To each his own
I had a qualified mechanic work on my LeSabre each time I took it in. I guess there's a difference in dealer quality from brand to brand.
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Proof of what - that you've taken what I posted completely out of context? I posted nothing regarding Toyota's vendors. I only referenced Toyota's automatic transmissions, not Toyota engines. :confuse:
Does this seem possible that the weather would have something to do with the transmission????
It could be a simple fix like you suggest but the transmission will never be fixed UNTIL TOYOTA ADMITS TO THE PROBLEM!!! Like that will ever happen!!
Why hasn't the 2007 Camry problems been published in local newspapers? I'm begining to think the automobile advertiseing business and every thing associated with it is about as honest as The United Nations. I did see Consumer Reports Lower it's Quality Rating of Toyota from Excellent to Average though.
AFAIK there is no correlation between VSC and Toyota's transmission behaviors - the point of my post being that it is the electronic control systems that MUST be in place for the mfgrs. to even be able to offer things like VSC in the first place. VSC/TRAC/ABS is a decision that is being made for us, but it doesn't seem that the mfgrs. are having a lot of luck incorporating systems like this without effecting driveability. We all suffer while they work this and compliance to CAFE regs. out.
Does this seem possible that the weather would have something to do with the transmission????"
lol. franc, here's to hoping that it wasn't the cool weather this morning and that your 07 has finally adjusted itself to you like others have said. But, if it was the cool weather, then you'd be the second to note this and may be the beginning of the trend, after damon34 that is.
let us know if any hesitation returns on the drive home or in the next week.
You could be correct. I should have been alittle more clear... my apologies. I read this in another forum from someone who has been in comunication with a Toyota tech rep for the past month prior to ordering his SE V-6. He wanted assurances that he wouldn't have the 'tranny' issues that others have been having and was told that the 'vendors' that produce the trannys have been changed, and that this could be verified upon delivery.
So, I'll check if I can get details.
hey ilovecars1, I haven't heard anything about Toyota not manufacturing their own engines. But as I mentioned in my previous post, I read this from someone else who was alittle scared of what he had been reading and was able to communicate with Toyota for some assurances about the transmissions.
Like I said, I'll see if I can get some details. That said, I'm well over 8000 kms now in my SE I4 5A... and still extremely happy.
Have you experience the same? Is it normal?
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Yup, I read something about that too. But, I was under the impression that the new factories were going to be used to supply Toyota's push into the European market. None of their products were to be used in N. America nor in Japan. Could be wrong, but it makes sense, no?
Hate to tell ya' this, but you could be onto something. With cooler weather, the ECM will supply a richer mixture to the engine during warm-up. (Those of us old enough remember pulling out the ol' dash-mounted "choke" knob to do this manually.) I believe there've already been posts suggesting the hesitation is a "flat spot" in power output due to too lean a fuel mixture under certain conditions. There's no question that a lean-mix problem could be elliminated through changing the fuel delivery mapping at certain temperatures/barometric pressures. The question arises, though, whether doing so will knock the cars out of compliance with upcoming state and EPA emissions regulations. (It'll be interesting to see how well the next generation "N" and "Ho" cars fare in drivability...) An earlier post suggested Toyota had worked out a re-flash solution but was waiting to complete testing to submit compliance data to the EPA for approval (or something along those lines - memory fades fast at my age...). That might also explain Toyota's reticence to admit the problem and promise owners help is on the way. There's no telling how long it would take the EPA and those state agencies mandating PZEV compliance to get off the stick with their fuel mixture remapping approval notifications. These comments are just my own seat of the pants speculation, so treat them as such. (and to those who believe I'm fulla baloney, PHHHhhhhhtt!
Shift delay and intershift flare are the latest hotbuttons, but the trend here often seems to quickly drift into condemnations of Toyota for all sorts of evils, especially how toyota is to be avoided because of this or that reason.
I am considering an 07 Camry, and that's why these forums interest me. But I'm looking for real issues, not the same old/same old every day. I have test driven several Camrys, and a few that my co workers and friends own, and seen or heard nothing but praise. I personally have not experienced any of the quirks talked about here, and I haven't yet had anyone complain about these things in their cars.
Several posts talk of mediochre reviews by the pros. I haven't found one yet. Not one mention of the hot buttons being flogged to death here as typical of every Camry in the world.
Camry sales are through the roof, yet the regulars here say all these owners must be (or will be) dissatisfied because of this or that. So why are so many people buying them, and why isn't the media full of reports of dissatisfied owners?
I wish that we could see more real problems from many more people, not just the same daily clique of who appear to be just disgruntled owners gnashing their teeth in a public forum only because it's there!
Still have a bad tranny problem shifts all the time, and cruise is still terrible.
but it does make since why the car didnt hesitate when I bought it in March and started up when the weather got hot and muggie.
I almost bought a v6 camry se, I was there talking the deal, told them I would think about it, came back home and read more camry woes and remembered how Toyota treated me on this car. They were not giving me any specail deals because of my car. Basically I was going to take a hit of 4000 dollars on my car whoever I trade it to. So I passed up the camry. I really like the looks of my SE, But I cant take the risk of getting abad one. I dont no if you ever saw pics of my car but they are on here.
So I am sorry to say tomorrow the car will be gone, but when I come on here I always hope to find that they have come up with a solution to our problems and that we all can be happy with our camrys.
I wish everybody on here goodluck. Maybe somebody will win. My Toyota days are gone and will never tell anybody to buy one, but not goint to go out of my way to stop them either. I am done with this problem.
Everybody good luck
Yeah, it tells me they haven't sold 250,000 milan/fusions. lol :P
Perhaps they are the ones promoting other makes, like Fusions? That's why I wish there were more reality posts from real people.
PS, how come there are so many others, including all the pros, who aren't seeing those bugs with Camrys?
Perhaps they are the ones promoting other makes, like Fusions?
PS, how come there are so many others, including the pros, who aren't seeing those bugs with their Camrys?
Hmmm, interesting. Of course, one could say the same thing in reverse about the blindly loyal "Japanese cars are better" brigade who repeat the mantra to all and sundry that cars from Japanese makers are virtually perfect while those from North American makers are smoking heaps of wreckage by the time of the second monthly payment. You sound close to this group. Especially since you imply that the Camry woes do not even exist, and instead are the product of an organized smear campaign. Nice. Tell that to the owners here who are having troubles. Of course, according to you, they aren't real either. A fascinating study in denial.
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The "Pros" you speak of are the automotive writers. They don't keep their test vehicles long enough for potential problems to surface, as you have seen is the pattern with those experiencing Camry driveability problems. If you have done your research deep enough, you will see that Toyota has assigned an employee to this forum. Does that tell you that NO problems exist with the '07 Camry? All of those posting here and on the positive forums represent only 'nths of a point percentage sampling. However, the activity attracting Toyota Motor to the point of assigning a blogmiester speaks volumes. You're smart, you've done your research. Go and buy your '07 Camry. You'll be just fine.
I'm pretty sure that TMSUSA is in this and other forums voluntarily. Could be wrong... but to assume that he/she was assigned.
In your rush to judgement of me, you overlook a few things. I don't own a Camry. I'm not a fan of Toyota, at least not yet. I never said the problems I called hot buttons didn't exist. I came here looking for info. Call it research if you will. What I found was about a dozen or so posters presenting the same woes again and again, with a lot of emphasis on telling the world not to buy a Camry for any number of reasons. Most of this seemed just alarmist hyperpole to me, and I said as much. I also think any unbiased person would feel the same way.
My point was simply to ask for a little relief from the same old/same old, and leave some room for more real people to tell about their problems, then maybe tire kickers like me will get more meaningful feedback to make an informed decision.
Instead, this forum appears to me to be more of a chat room for a few disgruntled owners bent on sympathizing with each other, getting the don't buy Camry message out there, and stifle any interference from outsiders.
Possible, but a bit risky to be sticking your neck out in that fashion. Too much litigation risk involved to be volunteering as spokesman for a major corporation. If corporate legal caught wind, this guy's job would be on the line in short order. Chances are he's a PR person for ToyotaUSA, with approval from headquarters to deal with the negative forums. Mr. TMUSA, can you verify this?
if you don't want to believe it, put your money down and post how it is working out.
Another note: I met a guy in my gym who owns a camry 07. He said that he has this car for 4 months now, NO problem yet. Also, he mentioned that he owns a 02 camry and these 2 cars are very similar in driving experience.
Of course, those who had problems with 07 Camry can post as many times as they like. If I face problems with a new car, I will post at least a couple of dozen times.
Can anyone garantee that you won't have a problem if you were to purchase a Camry (or any vehicle)? NO. However, my money is still with Toyota. I'm at the point where I just disreguard many of "same old" posts. Others are quite amusing. Finally, we have no way of verifying the accuracy of any of these posts. Based on what is being posted recently it appears that the "woes" have slowed down considerably. You're on the right track, speak with the people on the street who actually own one.
No malice or disrespect intended to those who actually own a Camry with a real problem. Good Luck in trying to have it rectified.
We have a fair group of people posting to this forum that have or had problems and there are also some people posting here that seek to offer good advice and/or moral support. BUT, I am really tired of the people that get on this forum to offer NO support, NO experience, and/or NO comments related to the forum topic......
Start another forum, or post somewhere else, but DO take your comments elsewhere.
Come on, moderators - for those of us who have problems and want to discuss them in a sensible manner without having TROLLS causing problems - clean this forum up.
I am experiencing the same problem. It feels like something is loose or something is in the way of the steering at low speeds. Have brought this up to the dealer? Was your car manufactured in KY?
Anyone else experiencing this problem?
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I've got a clunking feel in my steering wheel