Well it means that California sets trends and dictates buying habits. That's not only because of the sheer number of vehicles you can sell in one spot, but also because California has such a diverse demographic. You can sell any kind of vehicle here in large numbers.
If for instance, diesels starting selling at a 20% market share here in California, the rest of the country would probably take up the beat.
What i mean is, California is a good test market for new products.
Yeah that is really interesting in that the so called "CAR" craze, culture, etc was incubated cultivated and nurtured, etc in SO CA. In that context, the politics at the time (as I recall) was more right of center)
California doesn't always get it right, but they usually lead the way.
I'll say they do. They lead the Nation in running off businesses. To the tune of 5.4 businesses leaving the state weekly. Their idiotic GW initiatives have raised our electric rates to the highest in the Nation. Making EVs a very poor choice unless you are rich enough to have solar panels. And of course they are the most unfriendly place to do business for several years running. Soon to be home to only wealthy eco nuts and homeless welfare recipients.
Well maybe all the losers are leaving...think of it as improving the herd.
California will lead the way in Climate Change legislation as well. You can't blame people for foresight--you should praise them. Once the CC effects are so grievous that other states are freaking out, they'll copy California.
it's not that California is 'special' or 'smart"---they just respond faster due to organizational flexibility. Same is true for businesses in California--they are run differently than on the east coast for instance.
I'm sure that other states will be testing diesels for emissions sooner or later,and no doubt ratcheting up their other environmental regs--even the most conservative, devout, or even completely uninformed individual or community does not want to breath dirty air or drink dirty water.
To the tune of 5.4 businesses leaving the state weekly.
That's all? My area lost 3 businesses in the last 6 weeks. That's huge for us. We did gain one though.
California has 3.4 million small businesses. Gov. Moonbeam's press releases today for small business month didn't mention big businesses. 312 a year seems like a small percentage.
"Analysts say it's highly unlikely American diesel car sales will ever catch up to Europe. But even if sales triple, diesel fuel prices probably won’t be significantly affected. The U.S. currently produces more diesel than it uses, exporting more than a million gallons a day."
Exporting diesel signifies that there's a glut. Must be more profitable to send it to the EU than lower prices at the pumps here.
Like the Keystone people condemning farmer's property to run a pipeline across it? This one is different than the one up in Nebraska that was in the news a couple of months ago.
Well not really a total digression---if, as we seem to agree, the price of diesel fuel will greatly affect the market share of diesel passenger cars in America, then that's worth a look, right?
So factors in market share are: (feel free to add to the list)
1. public perception/attitude --- generally neutral or slightly negative toward diesel cars.
2. price of diesel fuel -- a lot less than Europe, but in most parts of the USA, the equal to, or higher than, premium gas
3. MSRP -- generally higher than its gasoline-driven counterpart
4. performance -- on a par with most family passenger cars
5. choice -- not that much in the US market
6. economy -- better than the equivalent gas engine car, and on a par with hybrids
7. maintenance costs -- debatable either way
8. resale value -- generally pretty good for most diesel cars
Not like using ID to steal someone's beach front property for a high rise like those people in FL. It was the Libs on the SC that opened up the door to stuff like this.
The principal dissent was issued on 25 June 2005 by Justice O'Connor, joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia and Clarence Thomas. The dissenting opinion suggested that the use of this taking power in a reverse Robin Hood fashion— take from the poor, give to the rich— would become the norm, not the exception:
Of those 3,320,977 small businesses in California, 1,068,602 have employees. The remaining 2,252,375 are California small businesses that have no employees.
I know it is a mass migration. Many names we will recognize. CA would be the perfect state to promote biodiesel as has been done in Hawaii. Instead they do their best to block diesels that can run on renewable fuel.
CA legislators, lobbyists, lawyers, regulators : state, county, region and cities and any and all applicable and non applicable entities, I might have over looked are totally convinced that writing costly laws and regulations are THE right things to do "for" business.
Even with an app 23% business vacancy rate, locally, we have just managed to drive out a multi BILLION dollar company, that was founded here 31 years ago. They employ app 4,500 people. I am guessing the city leadership is shooting for a 25% vacancy rate, a modest 2% increase. :sick: :lemon: The stated reason for their leaving the place of their founding was they needed room to expand. :sick: :lemon:
I know my son in law is happy CA is anti business. His company moved him to Indiana making more money, with lower cost of living. And does not have to put up with all the silly gun laws. They laid off 500 people in their San Diego office and expanded in Dallas and Indiana. He thinks they will shut down the operation completely here. One of the owners does not want to leave his La Jolla home. Beaches and nice weather is the ONLY reason for many businesses to remain.
Indeed ! A neighborhood couple took two jobs in Florida. They are having the time of their literal lives, happy as clams. They call regularly and ALWAYS invite us to stay for a month or three. Before they took the jobs, they asked us with WE thought (talk about pressure eh?) IT Manager/Partner CPA.. I told them no brainer except for the summer heat and humidity, which they both liked anyway. CA state 9% taxation drops out, and on and on. I highlighted the business opportunities which the CPA was surprised I knew.
Insofar as fuel prices are concerned, CA consistently posts among the TOP fuel prices.
I'm surprised you think that way, given that the oil companies are shipping your diesel fuel overseas and making you pay $4.50 a gallon for it.
Businesses leave California because they need cheap labor elsewhere. They don't know how to run profitably, and/or they don't wish to share their profits with their workers. I have no sympathy for them, because others succeed admirably where they fail, and in fact flourish in California.
Next time you praise a location with no regulations, go take a close look at such places, would be my advice.
Indeed it does show what a scam the GW movement has been. Perhaps that is the real HATE generator. Do the mantra of lessening foreign dependence on oil even as the regulations MANDATE GREATER foreign dependence !! ??
Actually the GW crowd (smartly I might add) fought to LIMIT the diesel supplies by doing two seemingly UNRELATED actions/ things, i.e. bracketing. 2. Mandating the 15 ppm (nominally delivered at the pumps between 7 to 10 ppm sulfur) 2. Nex,t block the refineries billion dollar plus upgrades to comply with that directive and upgrade ULSD's capacity, due to get this "environmental reasons" . 2b which limits the 15 ppm ULSD capacity. So for example, the upgrades were long in place to produce LSD which currently are at 500 ppm and CA 140 ppm sulfur. Well guess what ? LSD for the US PVF broader markets can no longer term be sold in the US, except for so called "sunsetting circumstances and applications". It is still legal to produce LSD in the US but not consume in the US and sell and consume LSD, guess where.... overseas.????
Again, this is hardly sound bite able. They are also two seemingly unrelated actions. IS this a conspiracy? Do you know ANYONE any lobbyist, any environmental organization, any entity, that has been successfully prosecuted for doing this? Also it is commonly known (not on consumer boards such as these obviously) that diesel exports are not only cheaper to produce but help in the US balance of payments. The US government, albeit current administration actually gives tax credits for selling LSD over seas !!!!! CA I am sure also gets credits from the US government for fostering this ALSO.
Actually 9% of the PVF that use PUG, pay just .04 cents less than diesel. Indeed if ULSD's taxation structure were the same as PUG's diesel would be CHEAPER !! That means that 44% more PUG users pay slightly less than ULSD users. PUG users also get slightly less to considerably less mpg than ULSD users. To wit VW Touareg Premium (supercharged hybrid gasser) @ 24 vs VW T TDI @28 or 17%. For a VW TDI vs gasser it is more like 68%.
My corner store 4.36 RUG vs 4.39 ULSD. As you know I buy all three RUG, PUG, ULSD. Consistently USLD yields cheaper price per mile driven fuel per like model.
short memory---diesel was cheaper than gasoline from 1995--2005
July 1995
$1.26 gasoline
$1.10 diesel
Some say this reversal was due to regulation, but various energy think tanks predicted the reversal due to increased demand for our diesel fuel in Europe and Asia--and I think this is actually the case, or part of the case.
I started purchasing diesel in early 2003. In CA and ALL the 12 states that I visited, diesel was NEVER cheaper. It HAS ALWAYS been more expensive than RUG.
So they say but it doesn't seem possible that this could account for the total substantial increase, especially since so much of it goes overseas.
On the other hand, if oil companies actually had to pay for the environmental damage of their products, the cost would probably be $10 a gallon, because they'd just pass the cost back to us.
Businesses leave California because they need cheap labor elsewhere.
You would have a hard time proving that. With the huge population of illegal immigrants CA has some of the lowest wages in the Nation. The people that are over paid work for the cities, counties and state of CA.
I hope Brown was not prematurely drooling over the Facebook taxes. One of the primaries just gave up his US Citizenship and is now living in Singapore to get away from high taxes. What would the state taxes be on $3.4 billion???? I had to pay 10% of the LTCG on a property I sold in Hawaii. Plus the 15% from the Feds.
Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO
I did not own a diesel before 4/11/2005. I paid $2.75 per gallon for the first tank when I bought my Passat in Portland OR. I paid $3.23 per gallon for the last tank the day I sold it 5/2/2006. Cheapest tank was $2.45 per gallon May of 2005. Gas during that same period was slightly less. ULSD was already mandated in CA and that is what I ran the year I owned the Passat. The high price did not seem to matter to the dozens of callers I got on the ad when I sold the Passat. The first caller bought it cash for $3000 more than I paid new the year before. Never have done that well selling a gasser, even the hybrid GMC. With that I was thankful I found a buyer after a year advertising it.
are the symptom, not the cause. The net effect is that businesses and people who seek to maximize their overall situation leave the state, while the CA public union members retire early with 80% of their salaries.
Some would call it a house of cards. Others just pack up and leave. Many do both.
Honeywell Aerospace used to be based in Torrance; now they're here in Phoenix. The two (or is it 3) Intel fab facilities here in Chandler might have been kept in California a few decades ago, but they're here. These things cost billions.
Indeed this chart is a rehash of a older past post. Again CA diesel taxation is 10.5 cents a gal higher than RUG/PUG @ 79 cents per gal or 15.2% MORE.
Needless to say and almost no surprise, @ 69 cents per gal RUG/PUG and @ 79.5 cents per gal ULSD, CA has THE 2nd highest taxes (RUG/PUG) and THE highest ULSD taxation per gal of fuel of all the 50 states. !!!
Well the highest taxation per gal is inversely proportional to the some of the POOREST maintained roads in the country !! We have the BEST rates and the worst roads !! I am at once over and under whelmed !!
This kind of stuff is NOT unusual. A close friend's kid (really not a kid) has been @ a German University on scholarship getting a masters, even as he was encouraged to do the doctorate. There is a leaning to stay there AFTER grad school. I say go for it !
That might be different than walking into a fortune here then running away to a tax haven of dubious ethics and accountability when the bills come due. Guy sounds little different than GE. If the US taxed the rich like most of Europe, the beloved hardworking honest self-made 1% would be screaming.
I would bet money he keeps a home on a CA beach like the others of his ilk, Gore, Oprah, etc etc.
I should have never given up my Alaska residency. I wanted to vote here. What a joke that is when you are voting against a couple million illegal votes.
I'm sure not ready to give up my US citizenship to own a diesel.
Not sure what taxes they include in your top ten. I know Illinois is very high. What keeps our average down is Prop 13. If they were to overturn that you would see a mass exodus of retirees. Did they include the high cost of vehicle registration every year? My property taxes are higher than the highest average in the USA. CA has the 2nd highest income tax behind OR. Yet Oregon has no sales tax. And licensing a diesel is cheap. No statewide emissions test in Oregon.
Texas had 5 complaints about voter impersonation in 2008-2010. I think it's a non-issue.
If I didn't need a car for work, I'd consider just getting a Model T pickup truck---seriously....
problem is, top speed is only 25--30 mph.
I wonder if there will ever be a market for retrofitting modern turbo diesels into gas-guzzling older cars and truck that don't require emissions testing? I don't mean "muscle cars" but rather perfectly good modern cars.
If I could cut down on fuel costs AND comp/collision and license fees, might be tempting---a nice old Volvo diesel with AC, getting 35-40 mpg and costing me $250 a year to insure.
For someone that has a well set up shop and likes to fabricate, a diesel re-fit might be fun. How would a VW TDI be in a Model T fiberglas body. Should be easy enough to license with a modern TDI engine transmission.
Amazingly enough the VW Touareg V10 TDI was sold in CA. Not many sold as it was more for promotion racing and ralleys. I got a picture of the 5 VW Touareg V10s when they were unloaded off the plane from Germany up at work in the Arctic. That was the beginning leg of a round the World trip for the 5 vehicles. I always thought they were over kill. Very expensive as well.
I do not recall the # ft of torque numbers for the V10 TDI. But given the 590 # ft for the European V-8 TDI, those are some serious grunt numbers.
The 406# ft of torque in the V6 TDI might be overkill, but I have to say I am absolutely loving it. 29/31 mpg (at more normal speeds) isn't too bad either. (the first tank full was 36 mpg).
The VW TDI V10 was rated 310 HP and 553 ft lbs of torque. It was capable of 0-60 in the 5 second range. Audi stretched it out to a V12 and won both 12 hours at Sebring and Le Mans in 2006. Then repeated those wins in 2007-08. As usual when a car shows such superiority the racing elites change the rules to give the inferior cars a chance. As it happened at Indianapolis with the Parnelli Jones turbine car. In 2009 Audi lost to Peugeot diesel car at Le Mans. Audi came back to Le Mans in 2010 with a V10 TDI to win. Last year Audi TDI to comply with more rules changes used a V6 TDI hybrid and won with that. When will NASCAR wise up to diesel power? Quit wasting so much fossil fuel. They could build them to run on bio-diesel and the whole stadium would smell like french fries. :shades:
I have heard and read that NASCAR actually runs on E15 ethanol? If that is true, they have gone the even more consumptive route. I have also read that E85 is app 25% more consumptive OVER RUG/PUG. So for example a 25 mpg car run on RUG/PUG would get 25% less with E85 or 18.75 mpg, call it 19 mpg.
Yes, bio diesel is another example of the "bracketing" that I have posted about.
The real concept is if someone wants to do something in the place where you have bracketed patents they have to go through you or risk a potentially destructive and protracted law suits, etc, which can/will result in potential to real catastrophe.
So for example bio diesel, I am sure you have heard many free market types say has to survive in the market place by itself to survive vs tax breaks/credits etc. Yet there is NOT ONE bio diesel fuel engine with specifications for 100% bio diesel. it is hard to be a passenger car fleet fuel of choice (100% biodiesel) when there are no passenger car diesel engines that are approved to run it!!?? Now this is curious in that it has ZERO ppm sulfur, which is the basis for the bad emissions, of which RUG/PUG has 30 to 90 ppm sulfur !!! The math indicates that using an exaggerated number for biodiesel @ 1 ppm, RUG/PUG is 30 to 90 TIMES dirtier than bio diesel.
So as a practical matter, you really can't blame an oem for cutting off the warranty for burning bio diesel over 5%, if and when a customer demands engine warranty because of burning over 5% bio diesel. So I think the system hopes biodiesel will DIE of economical causes. If it takes off the big boys will want to take over and of course drive out the more entrepreneurial types.
You can see this principle being applied in reverse with the 10% ethanol mandate. YOU can bet real monies that to strike a deal to run 10% ethanol, the mpg standards and goals were rolled back or just ignored.
Not many others, than the 5 west coast refineries do the so called "boutique" CA RUG/PUG fuel. Again another reason why it leads the nation in cost over runs and prices. The enviro cons are hard at work trying to close down one to all of these 5 refineries. I am sure most folks know what will happen to the prices of CA boutique fuel IF they are successful.
NASCAR runs the E15 in order to present an environmentally-friendly face to their audience. It also boosts the car's HP. They did the same thing when they switched from leaded to unleaded fuel (not that long ago either)..
All fuels are going to cost more in the future. I could see diesel at $6-$7 bucks a gallon in another 5 years in those states with stricter emissions laws. You may see truckers jumping borders to fuel up, or switching over to CNG.
As I have said in a few posts, higher fuel prices are the policy. The higher per mile driven fuel figures are controlled by artificially low mpg real world. I do not think it is by accident there are VERY few 45-50 mpg sippers, when Europe has literally a whole fleet of them that do not make it to US markets.
This makes me all the more resolute to keep my 50 mpg burner (Jetta) FAR into the future. That is until there are both cheaper per mile fuel alternatves or 65 to 85 mpg choices and or both. It will be an interesting day when 50 mpg is labeled a "fuel guzzler"
Don't think so. That 's just more conspiracy theory. Lots of Americans don't want to drive diesel, or gasoline, "fuel-sippers".
We already have a fuel glut in the USA. We're shipping out millions of gallons a day overseas.
If anything, fuel prices in the USA are kept artificially low. If oil companies had to repair the damage done by their products, gas and diesel would cost 2X as much.
So in that sense, the American people and the oil companies co-conspire to keep fuel prices down to a bearable level.
If anything the politics of fuel suppress prices, not increase them.
If diesel fuel prices ran amok, (or should we say, sought their natural level) this would not only be politically toxic for politicians, it would suck enormous amounts of money out of the economy.
You really have made a no to a weak case of conspiracy !! Just a scan of the dictionary definition makes the charge of conspiracy, an alleged conspiracy that exists only in your post. Again as a reality check, whom/what entities/ etc. have been convicted of conspiracy/ies in fuel price fixing? Keep in mind that millions of dollars have been spent in almost endless investigations.
OK, we have a glut of fuel? So the prices should RISE? OK we have a potential shortage. So the prices should FALL ?
The policy has been/is/ remains ever increasing fuel prices. Sorry, it seems that things are on track, albeit SLOW. Now Energy Secretary Chu might be PO'd it is not @ 10 per gal by the end of Obama's first term. BUT hey, if we elect BHO for the second term, Sec Chu will have another 4 years for the other $5.64 rise. By then, he will only have to raise things 7.3% a year to get to $10.00. I paid 1.85 diesel pre Obama (dare I say, Bushian era) . Three and 4 years later paid 4.36 per gal ULSD, 2 days ago. Not that I am counting, but that is app 34% rise per year.
Here are two interesting examples with fuel @ 4.36 per gal (pd today by the way) Passat TDI @ 43 mpg diesel= .10 cents per gal/ Prius 48 mpg @ 4.27 RUG= .088.3 cents per mile driven. Those are really the cheapest the systems are willing to go per mile driven, as there are not many cars that get over these 2012 mpgs diesel and RUG respectively. Again if diesel taxation was the same diesel would be .105 cents cheaper or 4.255 vs 4.27 RUG.
The White House does not control fuel prices and can barely influence them. That's another conspiracy theory, sounds like. The oil companies do not, nor have they ever, listened to the US government, except perhaps politely on their way to doing whatever they like.
Fuel prices will rise and fall regardless of which political party is in power, because it is market-driven, and market-driven GLOBALLY as well.
it is interesting for as much the conspiracy angle is alive and well, that the GOVERNMENTS make more money than the oil companies. This is amply documented. It just does not get the sensationalism or the vilification that say the oil companies or other things get.
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If for instance, diesels starting selling at a 20% market share here in California, the rest of the country would probably take up the beat.
What i mean is, California is a good test market for new products.
Needs crash protection.
And I mean more than a helmet.
Side note - I owned a scooter and 4 motorcycles over the years, but 3 of them were stolen. :lemon:
So nothing for me with 2 wheels any more.
How 'bout a diesel motorcycle?
http://green.autoblog.com/2008/02/28/nyt-test-drives-the-marines-diesel-motorcyc- le/
Pretty mean looking, thieves may think twice before trying to steal it.
I'll say they do. They lead the Nation in running off businesses. To the tune of 5.4 businesses leaving the state weekly. Their idiotic GW initiatives have raised our electric rates to the highest in the Nation. Making EVs a very poor choice unless you are rich enough to have solar panels. And of course they are the most unfriendly place to do business for several years running. Soon to be home to only wealthy eco nuts and homeless welfare recipients.
California will lead the way in Climate Change legislation as well. You can't blame people for foresight--you should praise them. Once the CC effects are so grievous that other states are freaking out, they'll copy California.
it's not that California is 'special' or 'smart"---they just respond faster due to organizational flexibility. Same is true for businesses in California--they are run differently than on the east coast for instance.
I'm sure that other states will be testing diesels for emissions sooner or later,and no doubt ratcheting up their other environmental regs--even the most conservative, devout, or even completely uninformed individual or community does not want to breath dirty air or drink dirty water.
These are commonly shared values I think.
That's all? My area lost 3 businesses in the last 6 weeks. That's huge for us. We did gain one though.
California has 3.4 million small businesses. Gov. Moonbeam's press releases today for small business month didn't mention big businesses. 312 a year seems like a small percentage.
"Analysts say it's highly unlikely American diesel car sales will ever catch up to Europe. But even if sales triple, diesel fuel prices probably won’t be significantly affected. The U.S. currently produces more diesel than it uses, exporting more than a million gallons a day."
Exporting diesel signifies that there's a glut. Must be more profitable to send it to the EU than lower prices at the pumps here.
Full story on Fox:
Energy in America: Diesel-fueled cars making a comeback?
The USA also plans to become a *major* player in the natural gas market overseas, due to all the shale drilling.
The oil companies are so powerful right now they don't even LISTEN to the President or Congress.
They can, and do, pretty much whatever they want.
Like the Keystone people condemning farmer's property to run a pipeline across it? This one is different than the one up in Nebraska that was in the news a couple of months ago.
An Old Texas Tale Retold: the Farmer vs. the Oil Company (NY Times)
Ah, but we digress again. :shades:
So factors in market share are: (feel free to add to the list)
1. public perception/attitude --- generally neutral or slightly negative toward diesel cars.
2. price of diesel fuel -- a lot less than Europe, but in most parts of the USA, the equal to, or higher than, premium gas
3. MSRP -- generally higher than its gasoline-driven counterpart
4. performance -- on a par with most family passenger cars
5. choice -- not that much in the US market
6. economy -- better than the equivalent gas engine car, and on a par with hybrids
7. maintenance costs -- debatable either way
8. resale value -- generally pretty good for most diesel cars
The principal dissent was issued on 25 June 2005 by Justice O'Connor, joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia and Clarence Thomas. The dissenting opinion suggested that the use of this taking power in a reverse Robin Hood fashion— take from the poor, give to the rich— would become the norm, not the exception:
Of those 3,320,977 small businesses in California, 1,068,602 have employees. The remaining 2,252,375 are California small businesses that have no employees.
I know it is a mass migration. Many names we will recognize. CA would be the perfect state to promote biodiesel as has been done in Hawaii. Instead they do their best to block diesels that can run on renewable fuel.
http://thebusinessrelocationcoach.blogspot.com/2010/01/californias-business-exod- us-continues.html
Even with an app 23% business vacancy rate, locally, we have just managed to drive out a multi BILLION dollar company, that was founded here 31 years ago. They employ app 4,500 people. I am guessing the city leadership is shooting for a 25% vacancy rate, a modest 2% increase. :sick: :lemon: The stated reason for their leaving the place of their founding was they needed room to expand. :sick: :lemon:
Insofar as fuel prices are concerned, CA consistently posts among the TOP fuel prices.
Businesses leave California because they need cheap labor elsewhere. They don't know how to run profitably, and/or they don't wish to share their profits with their workers. I have no sympathy for them, because others succeed admirably where they fail, and in fact flourish in California.
Next time you praise a location with no regulations, go take a close look at such places, would be my advice.
Indeed it does show what a scam the GW movement has been. Perhaps that is the real HATE generator. Do the mantra of lessening foreign dependence on oil even as the regulations MANDATE GREATER foreign dependence !! ??
Actually the GW crowd (smartly I might add) fought to LIMIT the diesel supplies by doing two seemingly UNRELATED actions/ things, i.e. bracketing. 2. Mandating the 15 ppm (nominally delivered at the pumps between 7 to 10 ppm sulfur) 2. Nex,t block the refineries billion dollar plus upgrades to comply with that directive and upgrade ULSD's capacity, due to get this "environmental reasons" . 2b which limits the 15 ppm ULSD capacity. So for example, the upgrades were long in place to produce LSD which currently are at 500 ppm and CA 140 ppm sulfur. Well guess what ? LSD for the US PVF broader markets can no longer term be sold in the US, except for so called "sunsetting circumstances and applications". It is still legal to produce LSD in the US but not consume in the US and sell and consume LSD, guess where.... overseas.????
Again, this is hardly sound bite able. They are also two seemingly unrelated actions. IS this a conspiracy? Do you know ANYONE any lobbyist, any environmental organization, any entity, that has been successfully prosecuted for doing this? Also it is commonly known (not on consumer boards such as these obviously) that diesel exports are not only cheaper to produce but help in the US balance of payments. The US government, albeit current administration actually gives tax credits for selling LSD over seas !!!!! CA I am sure also gets credits from the US government for fostering this ALSO.
Actually 9% of the PVF that use PUG, pay just .04 cents less than diesel. Indeed if ULSD's taxation structure were the same as PUG's diesel would be CHEAPER !! That means that 44% more PUG users pay slightly less than ULSD users. PUG users also get slightly less to considerably less mpg than ULSD users. To wit VW Touareg Premium (supercharged hybrid gasser) @ 24 vs VW T TDI @28 or 17%. For a VW TDI vs gasser it is more like 68%.
My corner store 4.36 RUG vs 4.39 ULSD. As you know I buy all three RUG, PUG, ULSD. Consistently USLD yields cheaper price per mile driven fuel per like model.
July 1995
$1.26 gasoline
$1.10 diesel
Some say this reversal was due to regulation, but various energy think tanks predicted the reversal due to increased demand for our diesel fuel in Europe and Asia--and I think this is actually the case, or part of the case.
On the other hand, if oil companies actually had to pay for the environmental damage of their products, the cost would probably be $10 a gallon, because they'd just pass the cost back to us.
They never lose.
$96.69 per barrel, while Brent is $112.41. I was close.
You would have a hard time proving that. With the huge population of illegal immigrants CA has some of the lowest wages in the Nation. The people that are over paid work for the cities, counties and state of CA.
I hope Brown was not prematurely drooling over the Facebook taxes. One of the primaries just gave up his US Citizenship and is now living in Singapore to get away from high taxes. What would the state taxes be on $3.4 billion???? I had to pay 10% of the LTCG on a property I sold in Hawaii. Plus the 15% from the Feds.
Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO
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I did not own a diesel before 4/11/2005. I paid $2.75 per gallon for the first tank when I bought my Passat in Portland OR. I paid $3.23 per gallon for the last tank the day I sold it 5/2/2006. Cheapest tank was $2.45 per gallon May of 2005. Gas during that same period was slightly less. ULSD was already mandated in CA and that is what I ran the year I owned the Passat. The high price did not seem to matter to the dozens of callers I got on the ad when I sold the Passat. The first caller bought it cash for $3000 more than I paid new the year before. Never have done that well selling a gasser, even the hybrid GMC. With that I was thankful I found a buyer after a year advertising it.
Some would call it a house of cards. Others just pack up and leave. Many do both.
Honeywell Aerospace used to be based in Torrance; now they're here in Phoenix. The two (or is it 3) Intel fab facilities here in Chandler might have been kept in California a few decades ago, but they're here. These things cost billions.
Go figure.
Indeed this chart is a rehash of a older past post. Again CA diesel taxation is 10.5 cents a gal higher than RUG/PUG @ 79 cents per gal or 15.2% MORE.
Needless to say and almost no surprise, @ 69 cents per gal RUG/PUG and @ 79.5 cents per gal ULSD, CA has THE 2nd highest taxes (RUG/PUG) and THE highest ULSD taxation per gal of fuel of all the 50 states. !!!
Well the highest taxation per gal is inversely proportional to the some of the POOREST maintained roads in the country !! We have the BEST rates and the worst roads !! I am at once over and under whelmed !!
States with highest taxes:
10. Pennsylvania
9. Maine
8. Vermont
7. Minnesota
6. California
5. Rhode Island
4. Wisconsin (home of the union-busters---how ironic--they beat California)
3. Connecticut
2. New York
1. New Jersey
Also, the greatest job losses 2008-2012 have been in the public sector. In other words, government is shrinking drastically across the country.
More to topic---California isn't even first in highest fuel taxes:
http://www.commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html
I should have never given up my Alaska residency. I wanted to vote here. What a joke that is when you are voting against a couple million illegal votes.
I'm sure not ready to give up my US citizenship to own a diesel.
http://www.api.org/Oil-and-Natural-Gas-Overview/Industry-Economics/~/media/Files- /Statistics/State_Motor_Fuel_Excise_Tax_Update.ashx
Not sure what taxes they include in your top ten. I know Illinois is very high. What keeps our average down is Prop 13. If they were to overturn that you would see a mass exodus of retirees. Did they include the high cost of vehicle registration every year? My property taxes are higher than the highest average in the USA. CA has the 2nd highest income tax behind OR. Yet Oregon has no sales tax. And licensing a diesel is cheap. No statewide emissions test in Oregon.
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/retreat-living/lowest-to-highest-taxes-by-state/
VW Touareg TDI's
If I didn't need a car for work, I'd consider just getting a Model T pickup truck---seriously....
problem is, top speed is only 25--30 mph.
I wonder if there will ever be a market for retrofitting modern turbo diesels into gas-guzzling older cars and truck that don't require emissions testing? I don't mean "muscle cars" but rather perfectly good modern cars.
If I could cut down on fuel costs AND comp/collision and license fees, might be tempting---a nice old Volvo diesel with AC, getting 35-40 mpg and costing me $250 a year to insure.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NICE-1923-Ford-model-T-truck-restored-power-start- er-runs-great-FREE-DELIVERY-/190670764869?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c64dcfb45
The 406# ft of torque in the V6 TDI might be overkill, but I have to say I am absolutely loving it. 29/31 mpg (at more normal speeds) isn't too bad either. (the first tank full was 36 mpg).
Yes, bio diesel is another example of the "bracketing" that I have posted about.
The real concept is if someone wants to do something in the place where you have bracketed patents they have to go through you or risk a potentially destructive and protracted law suits, etc, which can/will result in potential to real catastrophe.
So for example bio diesel, I am sure you have heard many free market types say has to survive in the market place by itself to survive vs tax breaks/credits etc. Yet there is NOT ONE bio diesel fuel engine with specifications for 100% bio diesel. it is hard to be a passenger car fleet fuel of choice (100% biodiesel) when there are no passenger car diesel engines that are approved to run it!!?? Now this is curious in that it has ZERO ppm sulfur, which is the basis for the bad emissions, of which RUG/PUG has 30 to 90 ppm sulfur !!! The math indicates that using an exaggerated number for biodiesel @ 1 ppm, RUG/PUG is 30 to 90 TIMES dirtier than bio diesel.
So as a practical matter, you really can't blame an oem for cutting off the warranty for burning bio diesel over 5%, if and when a customer demands engine warranty because of burning over 5% bio diesel. So I think the system hopes biodiesel will DIE of economical causes. If it takes off the big boys will want to take over and of course drive out the more entrepreneurial types.
You can see this principle being applied in reverse with the 10% ethanol mandate. YOU can bet real monies that to strike a deal to run 10% ethanol, the mpg standards and goals were rolled back or just ignored.
Not many others, than the 5 west coast refineries do the so called "boutique" CA RUG/PUG fuel. Again another reason why it leads the nation in cost over runs and prices. The enviro cons are hard at work trying to close down one to all of these 5 refineries. I am sure most folks know what will happen to the prices of CA boutique fuel IF they are successful.
All fuels are going to cost more in the future. I could see diesel at $6-$7 bucks a gallon in another 5 years in those states with stricter emissions laws. You may see truckers jumping borders to fuel up, or switching over to CNG.
This makes me all the more resolute to keep my 50 mpg burner (Jetta) FAR into the future. That is until there are both cheaper per mile fuel alternatves or 65 to 85 mpg choices and or both. It will be an interesting day when 50 mpg is labeled a "fuel guzzler"
We already have a fuel glut in the USA. We're shipping out millions of gallons a day overseas.
If anything, fuel prices in the USA are kept artificially low. If oil companies had to repair the damage done by their products, gas and diesel would cost 2X as much.
So in that sense, the American people and the oil companies co-conspire to keep fuel prices down to a bearable level.
If anything the politics of fuel suppress prices, not increase them.
If diesel fuel prices ran amok, (or should we say, sought their natural level) this would not only be politically toxic for politicians, it would suck enormous amounts of money out of the economy.
OK, we have a glut of fuel? So the prices should RISE? OK we have a potential shortage. So the prices should FALL ?
The policy has been/is/ remains ever increasing fuel prices. Sorry, it seems that things are on track, albeit SLOW. Now Energy Secretary Chu might be PO'd it is not @ 10 per gal by the end of Obama's first term. BUT hey, if we elect BHO for the second term, Sec Chu will have another 4 years for the other $5.64 rise. By then, he will only have to raise things 7.3% a year to get to $10.00. I paid 1.85 diesel pre Obama (dare I say, Bushian era) . Three and 4 years later paid 4.36 per gal ULSD, 2 days ago. Not that I am counting, but that is app 34% rise per year.
Here are two interesting examples with fuel @ 4.36 per gal (pd today by the way) Passat TDI @ 43 mpg diesel= .10 cents per gal/ Prius 48 mpg @ 4.27 RUG= .088.3 cents per mile driven. Those are really the cheapest the systems are willing to go per mile driven, as there are not many cars that get over these 2012 mpgs diesel and RUG respectively. Again if diesel taxation was the same diesel would be .105 cents cheaper or 4.255 vs 4.27 RUG.
Fuel prices will rise and fall regardless of which political party is in power, because it is market-driven, and market-driven GLOBALLY as well.
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Higher fuel prices are the policy, they just need some to blame