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3 year / 36,000 miles
Free Maintenance 4 year / 36,000 miles
Drivetrain 5 year / 60,000 miles
Roadside 3 year / 36,000 miles
Rust 12 year / Unlimited miles
Not as puny as I thought!
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2012/volkswagen/passat/warranty/#ixzz2JF4mX7lC
BASIC 3 yr./ 36000 mi.
DRIVETRAIN 5 yr./ 60000 mi.
HYBRID COMPONENT 8 yr./ 100000 mi.
FREE MAINTENANCE 2 yr./ 25000 mi.
ROADSIDE 2 yr./ 25000 mi.
To get the AT-PZEV rating you have this CARB requirement:
All emissions-related components must be warrantied for 15-years or 150,000-miles. This includes the electric propulsion components of a hybrid electric vehicle.
The Plug-in hybrids have to warrant their batteries for 10 years and 150k miles. The first GM Volt did not and was not eligible for the CA $5000 incentive. Only certain models of Volt for 2012/13 CA commuter lane stickers.
Volt - Please note that eligible vehicles with the Low Emissions Package will have an E, F, G or H in the 5th position of the VIN
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm
I will take the free maintenance, though.
Did a test comparing the '07 Accord to the '13. 18 mile loop around the dam. Mostly 55 mph about 3 miles of city 2 stop lights and 6 stop signs. Start at 1,700 ft elevation up to 2,200 then down to 1,500 and back up to 1,700. Temps of 30 degrees and no wind. Both cars started from dead cold. '07 returned 38.7 mpg and '13 returned 39.4 mpg. Scanguage on '07 and trip computer on '13.
Not bad for the new guy considering it had 300 miles on the odo. Engine is not broken in yet, tires still have nubs on them and tire psi is not at 40 like my '07. Looks like it should be able to achieve my estimate of beating the '07 by 2 (or more ) mpg.
I used to keep a spreadsheet and spring and fall were best, summer about 1 mpg behind, winter a full 2 mpg behind.
Although another factor is we travel less in winter, so it is hard to isolate the weather's effect by itself.
The Taylors posted 84.1 mpg going 5 mph UNDER the speed limits in a Passat TDI. (speed limits being 65 mph), albeit 5 mph FASTER than your stated loop mpg.. So in that comparison for example we are talking 84.1 vs 38.7/39.4 mpg ??? !!!
So I think if we wanted to do that, how about my sub $13k Honda Civic that regularly posts between 38-42 mpg?
Now, I am not saying that you can/ can not post as well or worse or vice versa. We really have no basis of FYI without the comparative competitive tracks being laid, so to speak.
I was not in too much of a hurry and wanted to give the Mazda 6 diesel and Passat TDIa chance, but my wife wanted to take advantage of us being in the right place at the right time with the Accord. I did not argue too much (and am happy with the Accord) as the numbers are pretty close to a wash once fuel prices are factored in. Even if the difference in price was cut in half between diesel and regular unleaded it would take 15 years to pay back the extra cost of the Passat.
It helps that the Accord takes regular and all regular 87 octane gas in SD is ethanol free (says on pumps even) 89 octane has 10% ethanol and super is also ethanol free. We also have no winter blend gas since we are not urban.
84 mpg is incredible. Best tank on my 07 Accord was 45 mpg (670 miles) driving slow (60 mph or just under) with no a/c - just to see what it could do. I have done 200 miles at over 50 mpg at about 57 mph - had a tailwind though. Wind can make a huge difference.
I would happily test the Passat on the loop except the Passat is 230 miles away - main reason I did not wind up with one. SD is 400 miles across with only 820,000 people, so lots of things (especially car dealers) are far away. Not having to drive the family to the dealer, get a motel for a night and drive back is actually worth quite a bit to me. Had I happened to be in Sioux Falls and seen the stick shift Passat and been offered invoice pricing there is a good chance I would be driving that right now.
The Taylors are pros and outliers in the extreme (by definition, it's a record high). I'd like to see then take an Avalon (*) hybrid out on the same drive, employing their same hyper-miling skills, see what distance they could cover on a tank.
* why Avalon and not Camry or Prius? Because the Avalon has a bigger gas tank, in fact it matches the Passat TDI's.
Highway drives like that tend to favor diesels anyway. We could compare 2 fleets of taxis, which idle a *lot* and would show a diesel weakness (not start/stop - yet).
And I also remember I have some litmus paste so will dip the tank this summer and hopefully see only green.
That said though, I think I will hook up a small 2 gallon sub tank. Does anyone know if a DT466 uses a pump in the tank to supply fuel pressure? The bus is about 20 years old..maybe not quite, and is before they started to electronically manage the 466's.
What a nice running engine it is though. Starts right up even when the temp drops and no ether needed. This is especially impressive when you consider it has a lot of miles on it, so surely compression is not what it once was.
I doubt we will see it anytime soon with diesels..at least not in all season climates. They run so efficiently as it is that having them shut off a lot of the time in city, in the winter, will have them fighting to just stay up to temp most of the time, thereby exasperating engine wear. And the electric assist will just ensure that fight for normal engine temps would be that much more constant.
US 48 States Lowest Fuel Consumption Hybrid World Record April 7th – 28th, 2012
Driving 9,033 miles, 69.98 US mpg, 84.05 Imperial mpg, 3.36 L/100 Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines US$516.51
Remember, that's not the most competitive hybrid, Camry and Fusion beat it real world, easily.
Fuelly has the Sonata hybrid average at 33.4-33.9.
Fusion hybrid is getting 36.7 to 37.7. About 9% better.
2012 Camry hybrid is at 38.6mpg, about 15% better.
The point it, the Saylors achieve amazing results, and noone should expect to duplicate them. Not many Sonata hybrid owners report 70mpg on fuelly, just as there are no TDIs getting 84mpg there, either.
A cross country run between the Passat TDI and Camry Hybrid would be a good test. With drivers taking equal times in both cars. C'mon Steve you can arrange for such a test.
I'm sure they have some sort of relationship with the manufacturers. I doubt Hyundai minded the published 70mpg result, or VW the 84 mpg.
Notice how they go for a different record each time. So I doubt we'll ever see them try to break VW's distance-per-tank record, or Hyundai's least fuel to visit 48 contiguous states. Instead they will try something else.
They promote fuel efficiency and an efficient driving style, IIRC they even teach driving strategies.
http://www.fuelacademy.com/fuel_economy_workshops.html
Which one. I could not find any of their records with a Korean vehicle on the sight you posted. They did set a record with a Prius.
http://www.fuelacademy.com/world_record_drives_2000s.html
70mpg ain't bad for what isn't even a competitive hybrid.
Sounds like fun to me.
I got 100 mpg in the Outback today, a new personal best. There were 5 of us packed in it for a two hour round trip. So 5 x 20 mpg....
I can't even remember ever having 5 people in the minivan before.
Gas took a big (18 cent) jump overnight to $3.49. Diesel is hanging around $3.94 so the differential dropped quite a bit.
Diesel is about $4.05 here with RUG $0.50 cheaper.
Like it or not!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I just looked at the stats my GPS gathers, my top speed since in the last 280 hours of driving was just 73mph!
Average speed a rather pathetic 20mph. 26mph average while moving.
More than 62 hours of that was spent standing still, idling. That's a lot of 0 mpg bringing down my average. :sick:
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Works for the Prius c!
Again the diesel's RANGE is very interesting (really not a lot of mpg variance) .
For the commute, (28 miles OW/ 54 R/T) a OW commute can take from a wildly optimistic 45 mins to 90 min/1.5 hours: 37 mph to 18.67 mph.
Again, for the commuting portion, the diesels post between 40 and 42 mpg (09 Jetta TDI), 48-52 mpg (03 Jetta TDI), 29 to 32 mpg (12 Touareg TDI) We do not use the VW T much (for commuting) in that the BRAKES and tires are much more costly. All are GREAT @ autobahn speeds !! They are just NOT 135mph + autbahn cruisers !!! This CUV was MADE for autobahn cruising, albeit UNDER 135 mph!!! . The real CA reason to buy, it is waved and waived on by CA Trans during chain controls conditions. It is normally required to have chains when the snow plows need chains and /or snow plows are having issues. But if they are having issues, you don't want to be on the roads anyway. So I just recent sprayed off app 1 # of snow road debris (x 2 times) after 2 R/T's.
I guess this is where I should say musta been a track day..
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
No lane splitting on motorcycles in DC or MD, and after having 3 of those stolen from me I'm done.
700 miles per tank, now where's the 5 door?!
Here is the link the Cruze HB on the Chevrolet UK site.
Read it and weep. Nice looking ..
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/cars/cruze-station-wagon/configurator/
hatch - 14,395 BP
wagon - 15,495
saloon - 19,205
I'll take the wagon, please!
Fargo had a funny dealership scene.
Another response is a bit more arcane. Folks eyes might gloss over. For those that might think this response is problematic, the best would be to ignore it.
First off, it MIGHT be a "waste" to have a GASSER with 300/400 hp with speeds capable of 150 mph. I would "loosely" agree; in the sense that I would not use that type of vehicle for the commute slough, based solely on mpg. The key issue here is at stop and go and so called lower speeds with a lot of idling, gasser fuel mileage definitely suffers.
Secondly, it is NOT (such) a waste with diesels. To make a long story short, my commute mpg is not unlike highway cruising @ 80 to 90 mph. To use one example 29-32 mpg in 37 to 19 mph commute traffic and 30 mpg @ a steady 90 mph. The drive train is optimized for 81 mph (really 2,150 rpm) and the fuel gauge leads me to believe @ that rpm and speed we are talking more like 32 to 34 mpg. All three diesels react similarly, but obviously scaled differently. The interesting thing is the VW T TDI has 406 # ft of torque. Sadly the computer limits this to 135 mph.
Of further consequence, the WSJ puts gasser idling, stop and go and slow speeds in commute traffic @ BILLIONS of dollars in WASTED fuel, not to mention the other BILLIONS in lost man hours. Wear and tear and accidents were not covered.
Telecommuting solves quite a few of those problems. :shades:
Last I read the GC diesel will have the VM Motori engine, not the MB diesel. I would jump on it if it was the MB diesel engine. I like the looks of the GC better than the MB ML350 Bluetec