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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It looks to me like Mercedes is very serious about taking back the number ONE luxury market in the USA and probably the World. They already have the most diesel offerings if I am counting right at seven.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Diesel CLA for the land of the lowest common denominator? Where was that announced?

    I hope that engine ends up in the C-class, maybe my next car.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    From my point of view, it is getting exciting to have small engines up to 2.5 L, TTDI's be able to output HUGE torque (260 to 350 # ft). A few short years ago, 350 # ft was almost to supercar torque. This was normally put out by a gasser V8 350 cu in aka 5.7 L and up !!
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My 1998 Suburban 5.7L was rated 330 ft lbs of torque. Gross wgt 7700 lbs and towing 6500 LB. I never felt it was under powered. So a ML250 Bluetec with 369 ft lbs of torque should be great. Bring it on Mercedes and I will pull out the cash. My current gas guzzler Sequoia V8 only has 314 ft lbs of torque. It keeps up with traffic crossing TX at 80 MPH no problem.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2013
    It was announced in the April Car and Driver, page 33.

    I personally think the CLA will be popular with the ladies, and anyone else who isn't over 5'11". An online test drive/review had the reviewers head hitting the liner. It would be kind of fun to put the AMG AWD car up against a WRX STI, and the Lancer EVO (is Mitsu even relevant in the U.S. anymore?). Just for sh**s and giggles of course.

    I think the new CLA IS the new C class. Right?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I don't think so.

    CLA vs C is like 1-series vs 3-series or Lexus CT vs IS.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I hadn't seen that. I usually wait for official word, IIRC the rags were promising us a diesel C class 3 years ago or more. I don't know if diesel + CLA target market will be compatible.

    In terms of market position, CLA could become the C. I think MB wants to move the C up in price and size.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Gas prices are going crazy in South Dakota. They have gone up a little in the west to $3.10 for regular and the East is up to $4.10. Quite a difference. Diesel is fairly consistent at $3.70-3.90. I found myself in a $4.10 area and had to drive very gingerly to get to a station with $3.60 on a recent trip. That frugal driving has it's rewards. 48.0 mpg over 116 miles.

    Wouldn't you know the VW dealer called today and dropped another $1,500 on the Passat. Why do they never think you are serious when you are in the dealership. ">Probably would have been near 60 mpg in a Passat.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    ..."Probably would have been near 60 mpg in a Passat."...

    For as fuel frugal as you say you drive, why should it not be closer to what the Taylor's posted in a 2012 VW Passat TDI @ 84 mpg? They say they drive like more the normal driver, albeit 5 mph under the speed limit. ;) :shades:

    Since a lot of the diesel discussion is based on products not yet here, it will be interesting to see how the 6 speed manual and DSG does in relation to the new 9/10 speed DSG.

    It is also exciting to see that in a scant 11 my's, a 1.9 L TDI went from being able to post 155# ft of torque to a slightly bigger 2.1 L (.2L more) putting out 310 to 350 # ft. or 125% more !!!!

    Most gassers that can do that are the graphic equivalent of holding a hand grenade with one hand; with the safety pin like a ring on a pinkie finger on the other running down a stone filled mountain.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2013
    I filled up today. West Springfield Shell is $3.65 for Reg. Now; the counties directly around Washington DC pay a city tax on fuel, so the next county down will pay 10 to 20 cents less.

    Does anyone else here use some form of gas discount program? My family buy's groceries at Giant, and we get anywhere from 10 to 110 cents a gallon off every-other week. (We all have cars that make it two weeks)

    It makes a big difference. We all use the same card and converge on one pump and fill all three cars. Today I paid $3.15.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Another good review of the Jeep Diesel

    Hope they start showing up soon.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    Cars.com show ZERO inventory in US markets for the JGC TDI. The video show that Jeep put the Adblue filing point next to the fuel tank cap. I think the future is AD Blue dispensing (fuel tank access point) @ ever increasing AdBlue vendor stations, aka where they also sell diesel fuel.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Jeep claims late Spring. They have about a month to go.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    The jgc is a very attractive ride. Now that they put an 8 speed trans in it --- anyone have a guess at rebuild cost. Technology is great but who's gonna be able to fix this stuff down the road ? AAMCO ?
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    The ZF 8-speed has been around for a number of years (it's only new to Chrysler), so parts and tech instructions should be no issue.

    kcram - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Host
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I noticed something odd about diesel today. A Chevron station had a 20 cent credit card surcharge for gasoline, but no surcharge for diesel. Is this normal?
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    The Exxon near my home (northwest NJ) is like that - 10 cents for gasoline, but no upcharge for diesel.

    kcram - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Host
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was just the opposite on the big signs for the truck stops across the USA. Many would take CC for gas and charged extra for diesel. All but one ARCO station took my Costco AMEX without any increase in price. Many stations here in CA show a lower cash price. ARCO will take a debit card and charge for using it. Hopefully on my next cross country trip I have a diesel SUV and cut my stops for fuel in half.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I usually patronize Chevron, so I only pay attention to their policies. I am surprised a truck stop would charge extra for diesel, seeing as diesel vehicles are the reason the truck stop exists to begin with. ARCO is notorious here for hefty surcharges - the Chevron I saw is the only local one I know of with a CC surcharge - guess it doesn't matter much now with the diesel car :shades:
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    This is our first trip where we saw the cash price for diesel. That is why it stuck out. I generally do not go to truck stops. Dirty restrooms and facilities. It was the giant electronic billboards along the interstates.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    We have stations (3 within eyesight of each other) that post a higher price on the electronic sign than when you actually pull in and see at the pump. I think the strategy is cuz they are always trying to outdo each other, so regulars get to know that the sign lies. Plus one of those is absolutely CROOKED, yet Cda Weights and Measures seem to let it go on. I have caught one stn numerous times, shorting you at the pump. And I'm not talking a few cents..Try 3.5 litres (just shy of your US one gallon) on a 23 litre purchase (just over 5 Cdn gal). At 1.33/ litre that's about 5 bucks on every half tank. It is SO freakin' bad I can't believe it still goes on. I never miss an op to tell friends and others in the area. The mileage on my CRV skyrocketed when I finally started fueling at a dif place. This same crook owner has stns in two towns, 20 miles apart and BOTH rip you off at the pump so the guy is a blatant thief. I'm guessing he pays off Weights and Measures, and with the amt he is overchging, he could bribe them with one helluva lot.

    My first clue was when I managed to put in over 55 litres in my AWD Matrix which only has a 45 litre (10 Cdn gal) tank if bone dry.

    With the new place, I occasionally take a known 4.54609 litre steel (1 Imp gal) can in to see if they are being straight up and while the pump is ALWAYS less, no matter what temp correction you want to go with, at least the worst I've seen is 500 ml in 4.5 litres but is usually about 250 ml. Funny...I have never knowingly gotten more gas than I paid for...odds would suggest it should happen occasionally right?

    Anyway, I hope your gvt is far more diligent and honest than the collusive and corrupt dept here that is our only recourse of discrepancies.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think many US citizens think of Canada government being upright and honest. They are ALL crooks after a couple terms in office. And the worker bees are as corrupt as our leaders. I have not checked but should to see if we are getting a gallon for a gallon charged.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Member Posts: 399
    Just wondering if you have made a complaint to weights and measures ( not that it would necessarily solve anything). I know that they don't check stations often enough ( due to not enough inspectors), and don't know if they notify the owner of regular inspections or not ( so he could readjust his pumps before the inspection). He could be bribing the inspector as you suggest too of course, but one wold hope they were more honest ( but of course they aren't necessarily). Maybe call up the local ( or close to local) tv station and see if they will do a report on it, nothing like bad publicity to get some attention on the issue ( though again it may not help).
    It is very bad if you managed to get an indicated 55 l into a Matrix, not going to happen with correctly calibrated pumps. The station I fill up at seems pretty accurate. Is this guy an independent station or is he affiliated with a brand? If affiliated. It may be possible to complain to the head office as well, I am sure they would not appreciate their brand being associated its this sort of practice. Just some thoughts anyway, it may mnot be worth you effort if you have somewhere else to go, but I would want to do something about such obvious crooked practices.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Member Posts: 399
    Well the Canadian government used to have the appearance of being more upright and honest ( and still may be better than the US gov as I believe lobbyist are still not as powerful up here ( and corporate political donations are " restricted" supposedly), but it has definately gotten worse ( or more obvious) in the last 15-20 years.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2013
    Yes. That ZF unit is used in many vehicles, from the Dodge Ram 1500 to the Bentley Continental. It debuted in the BMW 7 series 5 years ago.

    Here is the Wikipedia article. That tranny is really well built, extensively tested and saves fuel while improving performance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

    What really flipped my lid was that BMW has been using GM transmissions extensively for years, mostly in their more reasonably priced models. My late grandfather was a foreman in the GM transmission plant in Niagara Falls, NY. Also, when we visited Buffalo everyone was filling up in Canada so we got used to liters.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    Just did the sos/dd trip with the AC blasting, R/T posted 30.8. Cruising speed was slightly higher on the downgrade, this time around.

    As for the ZF 8 speed transmission, I guess it would pay for folks considering a 2014 JGC TDI to look at the Dodge Ram 1500 for 8 speed A/T reliability and durability.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think the ZF 8HP in the Ram 1500 is new for the 2014 model year as well. According to one news clip from Jeep, they will be buying the transmissions from Germany until they get their factory set up and going. I would want one of the German models. Until the US factory is well established. I would also feel better if it was made by non UAW workers that are allowed to smoke dope on their breaks.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    Yes even if the ZF 8 speed transmission is new for 2014 RAM , I am swaging whats good and hopefully (not) BAD will show up in the many more units in the RAM model: the JGC TDI having far less units and percentages.

    I actually would agree ! Sooner or later things will revert to "PRE" crisis "UAW rules" and whatever gains GM has managed to carve out will be diluted back to the "good ole days" when the UAW was calling the shots, or perhaps they are STILL calling the shots !! I have read in any number of places is not only do the unions have GM share ownership, they also have any number of seats on the board. So they still want management to take the hits, even as they hire them now.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It looks like the ZF 8HP is an option in the 2013 Ram 1500. So it would be interesting to see what sort of issues they have had. There are several models of that 8 speed available to handle over 700 ft lbs of torque. It has been in many luxury vehicles since 2008. So should have some history to research. I would still prefer having the German made unit, if I do buy the JGC diesel this year.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I am not sure about the reasons/reasoning why VW went with the Aisin 8 speed A/T, especially with 'German" design & engineering instead of the ZF. I do know that Aisin is reputed first to market with it. I I have read that the earlier models had their issues and they have since been worked out. In any case, Chrysler is due for a win !
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Aisin is the largest supplier of auto transmissions in the World. I found it interesting that the Ram and Grand Cherokee 6 speeds are Aisin. They switched this year to offering the ZF 8 speeds. Could have to do with ZF allowing them to license and build their own from the ZF design.

    Anymore it is hard to know where your auto parts come from. I was surprised when it took several months to get a replacement NAV for my Sequoia. It came from India. That really turned me off on OEM NAV units. Too expensive and data is out of date before you buy the vehicle. Unless it is tied to the Internet. The new NAV in the Grand Cherokee is from Uconnect. I think it is a better system than offered by BMW or MB. No info on VW Touareg NAV.

    http://www.driveuconnect.com/system/2014/jeep/grand_cherokee/8-4an-ra4/
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The Grand Cherokee Limited, powered by the new 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6, is actually the lowest-priced full-size diesel in the SUV segment at $40,295. I was most impressed with the new EcoDiesel engine and new 8-speed automatic combination. Acceleration is great, the torque phenomenal, and the incredible range potential makes the EcoDiesel a no-brainer in my opinion.

    I was able to drive in virtually every possible scenario, from in-town to freeway, to winding back roads in Texas Hill country. Journalists experienced the new Grand Cherokee's off-road prowess at the working Inks Ranch outside Llano, Texas. There was rock crawling in the extreme. One exercise was to climb an incredibly steep Granite outcropping, which at first glance seemed impassable, then to turn around and descend the same steep grade with no driver intervention other than to steer -- no braking at all, with the vehicle's Hill Descent Control taking complete charge. There were a few drivers with white knuckles, but everyone came through unscathed and better for the experience.

    Bottom line, the new Grand Cherokee is at home on any turf with its Selec-Terrain system able to pick and choose the appropriate setting for the task at hand. Yes, $50,000 plus is considerably more than pocket change, but these days, you get what you pay for, and with the Grand Cherokee Summit, you get a lot, indeed.


    http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_23163523/jeep-grand-cherokee-offers-diesel-po- wer-2014
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I am hearing you on those issues. I personally was never a fan of oem navi. I do not have one on the Touareg. In the worst case, not having one is one less thing to go wrong. Instead we opted for the Costco special, (Magellan @ the time) which was designed literally by folks "down the (literal) street". It is a bit of a PITA, but I can put it in whatever car I am using.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    edited May 2013
    While the JGC diesel sounds like it is going to be pretty cool on a number of levels, I think that it would be prudent to remember that it is a Jeep/Chrysler product after all.

    History would suggest that any honeymoon you may enjoy could be very short lived, and may be further compromised by much niggling (or worse) till the divorce.

    I think my least concerns would be with the actual engine and transmission mechanicals...but that sure leaves a lot of other exposed areas of potential grief..
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    I agree with your less than enthusiastic feelings re Jeep/Chrysler -- especially the first model year risk inherent in any new offering of any manufacturer. Better wait a few years to let others experience the issues that will occur.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    There's some pretty wonky goings on here with the site, eh? I posted that ages ago, yet it shows 252pm which was just a couple minutes ago, yet I heard your email notifier come in when it did about a little over 10 minutes ago.

    Oddly, it still has edit capabilities too which usually expire after a while...30 min I think?

    And ya..good point about potential issues with the first MY..
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited May 2013
    The forums always get buggy when I go out of town. :D Reports this morning are that it's fixed - carry on!

    Oh yeah, the edit window is fixed at 30 minutes.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    ..."While the JGC diesel sounds like it is going to be pretty cool on a number of levels, I think that it would be prudent to remember that it is a Jeep/Chrysler product after all.

    History would suggest that any honeymoon you may enjoy could be very short lived, and may be further compromised by much niggling (or worse) till the divorce.

    I think my least concerns would be with the actual engine and transmission mechanicals...but that sure leaves a lot of other exposed areas of potential grief.."...

    I think most to all would agree !!

    How it applies to the (specific) diesel and drivetrain issue/s really remains to be seen. While new cars (across the board) have certainly gotten better, Chrysler has not (say) leapfrogged (in quality) over other oems, say Lexus.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I am not going to drive 100+ miles to test drive a Touareg Diesel. Most of the TDI inventory in CA is way North of Los Angeles. I would have to buy the LUX model to get the saddle brown leather. Then you are stuck with the 19" wheels which I am not thrilled with. Would prefer the 17" wheels that are no longer offered. Seems the automakers are not interested in my cash. I settled for less than I wanted with this Sequoia. I will not do that again. I can afford to waste money on gas driving it on vacations till the wheels fall off. The money is better spent on real estate than vehicles anyway. Frustrated with the auto industry.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think my least concerns would be with the actual engine and transmission mechanicals...but that sure leaves a lot of other exposed areas of potential grief.

    The engine and transmission are all that is really new to the 2014 JGC. The rest of the vehicle is well proven and tested. I don't really consider Jeep as part of Chrysler. Only at the corporate level. Though they do share UAW labor, which is a strike against them. The JGC platform is the same as the Mercedes ML. Not sure what components they share.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    Cars.com lists 668 units, 2013 VW Touareg TDI's in US inventory @ this time. (2.7% better sales than 2012 MY@ this time)

    We in the north (NORCA) think you in the south (SOCA) are the " nirvana" for the CA car culture ! ;) In this case NEITHER is true? :lemon:

    I ran a 100 miles radius (Bay Area 2016 Superbowl site) of my zip code and ONE (1 SPORT) of 13 units comes to the fore !!! Of the 668 units fully 137 are of the Sport (18 in wheels). Needless to say, "slim" pickings (20.5% are SPORT models).

    Knowing what I know (20/20 hind sight AND anecdotal personal information and experiences, but at the time, I in no way would want 19/20 in wheels) I would not consider the models with 19 in and 20 in wheels. Those with 19/20 in tires are reporting much FASTER wear patterns.

    I am not sure I understand this, but I am experiencing app 15,000 to 17,333 miles per 1/32nd in wear (- 1.5/ 32nds). All I have done are two tire rotations and run 3 psi above the oem TP recommendations. This happens to be the VWT TDI's oem "highway" TP recommendation !! ???
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Don't they share the Pentastar engine and probable trans? And the 2.4 in Patriots etc are they not the same as in Calibers, and the CVT's?

    Plus lots other things I think.

    The JGC may be based off an ML, but if that many parts where the same, wouldn't it be better off just buying an ML then? In my experience, there are usually not very many free rides, so I guess we could assume that one compromise would be the VM vs MB own wonderful 3 litre. The ZF 8 sp has its perks, as does the competent 7 sp in the MB, so the tran is a wash, IMO.

    Just thinking out loud here..call me skeptical but won't the JGC always be considered a wannabee? But hey...if it really is a raving bargain as the world's best kept ML-wrapped-in-Jeep-clothing secret, then I'm not too proud to take a chance myself if my situation were to allow it in a couple years.

    Plus...to be fair..we are discussing reliability between two brands in which neither has a stellar rep..since the price of admission is so much more attainable with the JGC, and the ongoing dealer costs would probably be considerably less than at the 3 pointed star..a good case can be made for going Jeep I guess.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    My PC has been freezing lately and won't let me x out of a page until I literally either unplug it, or unplug the internet, which then lets me access the browser to kill all cookies and internet pages. I have figured out when it does it. It is when I click on c a r s . c o m .
    Been happening all w/e. Anyone else find this? Something funky going on there I don't trust.

    Anything that does not let me x out, is never a good or safe thing right?

    Question posted to anyone who might know?
  • SO, without quoting the whole article here are the standings:

    5th: BMW X5
    4th: Jeep Grand Cherokee
    3rd: Mercedes Benz ML
    2nd: Porsche Cayenne
    1st: VW Touareg

    Personal preference? I would buy the Mercedes. Like the article said, they have been bolting diesel engines into cars a lot longer than any other manufacturer. So, if I am going to get a luxury SUV, then I want it to be luxurious and quiet. I want to smell like walnut and leather with comfy seats. Since my commute has me idling helplessly while stuck in traffic, and I have no need for off-road prowess the diesel Mercedes would be perfect.
  • Go into add and remove programs and jettison ANYTHING that says "tool bar". If your browser is slow and wont load, most likely you have adware.

    It installs with other programs. FOr example, if you install AVG anti-virus, it "recommends" that you install the "Ask Toolbar". Anytime a program has a few check marks during the installation, Un-check them!

    If you are really stumped, go to "Start", "all programs", "accessories", "system tools", & "system restore". Then select a date prior to when you were having problems (like two weeks ago for example) and Windows will restore your PC to before you were having trouble.

    If all else fails you can press F8 during the boot cycle and select "restore to last known good config". ONLY DO THIS IF LAST RESORT.

    Good luck
    I am a Network Engineer with 10 yrs experience.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Oh go on and quote the whole thing if it's ok with Steve? I'm curious.

    Plus, I like to talk stereo with you more, and since it likely won't go down very well in Mid-size sedans 2.0 forum, I thought maybe here? The reason is, Steve says that usually stereos are talked about within the brand/model of car forum, so maybe if we let on we were discussing the potential of upgrading a base JGC with a sub etc, that might work here? This forum seems to be a bit more laid back than that other one. Or I could ask you stuff maybe within an Optima forum assuming you frequent one here? Or maybe we could talk about them in the Honda Modifications forum...that (any modification type forum) is where I was hoping to find stereo chat. That one is dead..only two posts since 2008 or 11? are Steve's and mine.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Thanks, Chris, but I should have maybe mentioned..running a Mac..and in a more perfect world my OS would be newer so it would support a newer browser. But what was happening, was unusual. As for tool bars, great tip..I knew about that the hard way when I had a PC, but great reminder for anyone.

    I have to say that with some diligence the Mac has been nothing less than spectacular and I would NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER NEVER go back to PC and all their daily update crap and viruses etc etc etc. Talk about being a slave to your computer. Maybe they are better now, but I doubt it. Been on a Mac for years now.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2013
    The C & D rankings were a pleasant surprise to me. I would have SWAGGED MB ML 350 BlueTec & BMW X5 35 D to be rated 1 and 2, if ONLY for the fact that 2012 sales were 38,101, 44,441 and 10,553 (VWT) (P C being 15,545 respectively ZERO % TDI's). The additional thing is that the Cayenne only recently offered TDI's (2013).

    @ the time I selected & bought the VW T TDI, I did not have access to the C&D rankings, but selected the VWT TDI according to my own criteria. Needless to say, VW still suffers from (earned) bad press.

    So far (app 26,000 miles) it has had ZERO defects & issues. The Castrol oil the dealers use is now the european specification "EDGE" in a 5w30 VW 507.00 specification.

    NONE of those 5 that I test drove, stood out as any more quiet/ louder for that matter.

    As for "LUXURY", aka trim options, ALL have multiple trim options. The Cayenne is literally semi customizable. The VWT and P Cay are production scheduling plus a 6 week boat ride for factory orders. Edmunds.com indicates the PC is a (waiting list and I would assume over MSRP) HIT in the China market.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The JGC may be based off an ML, but if that many parts where the same, wouldn't it be better off just buying an ML then? In my experience, there are usually not very many free rides, so I guess we could assume that one compromise would be the VM vs MB own wonderful 3 litre.

    The ML is a good choice for sure. Probably $4k more comparably equipped. The closest decent MB dealer is about 45 miles from home. And I don't like the looks of the ML as well as the JGC or the Touareg. I am not a fan of the MB 7 speed that I test drove. When you let off the accelerator it would downshift and slow you rapidly rather than freewheel. And finding an MLBluetec around here is not easy. I wish C&D had included the X5D and ML in their comparo between the Touareg TDI and the JGC diesel.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    When you let off the accelerator it would downshift and slow you rapidly rather than freewheel.

    Oh, I know what you mean..that bugs me too, it is such a needless fuel waster and if you find yourself on super glare ice, that bit of extra engine braking will trigger ABS and no matter how many high tech processors they have controlling things..nothing is a forgiving as a coast. I think they refer to that type of operation as a linear throttle input or something.

    I'd prefer a freewheel ability too. I wonder if that can be programmed out of the tranny? Should ask fintail, cuz I think his new E350 does that too..

    I have to say, I too really like the looks of the JGC. But I like the looks of all three. As for dealers, I never really consider that unless they were more than 3 hr away. Actually 2 hours is a stretch. For here, MB is 90 minutes, Porsche would be 3 hr. VW is an hour. The JGC is in my usual shopping town, so about 30 minutes, but don't like the dealer really. So could go north for same thing about 45 min but that dealer is a new owner of a Jeep/Chryco dlrship. Might be great, don't know. The VW dealer has a pretty good reputation. I suspect the MB dealer might be a bit full of themselves since they are the next closest to the big city where many commuters commute daily 55 miles one way.
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