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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Off topic, D2 corner store just outide of Portland OR was $ 2.09. An Indian Station near Grant's Pass / Medford was $1.87 with puc lic.
Don't you just love that new car feel? If I had a vehicle I put 100K miles on I would get a new one. It has been about 25 years since I put that many miles on a vehicle. We put about 8k total on 3 vehicles now. I would drive more if one of them was a diesel getting good mileage.
The Audi dealer called and said they were pushing the company to bring the A4 with 2.0L TDI to the USA as soon as possible. I think they see how well VW is doing with their TDI's and want to be ready for the next run up in fuel prices.
Yes, the only D2 drips I have ever experienced were in the OR state.
The new car smell is WOW. Picky, but the 03 Jetta TDI would probably have put up 48-59 mpg. But.... the 236 # ft is just plain cool in comparison to 155# ft! But there are many more delays and massive construction projects anymore. Plus we hit the Friday RUSH hour
We did the Woodburn, OR outlet on Friday.. Today we target Pike's place Seattle, WA.. Got to see those "flying fish".Well actually, lunch is a better draw?
GM sucks.
In 1978 they did...I think they ruined diesel in main stream America. Volkswagen and Mercedes have historically been the ones that pushed the technology.
Currently, I think that is pretty outdated, and judging by other posts, grinding an axe.
Like a diesel?
I don't know, more computers driving = less me driving. What makes a sport-y car fun is that I am driving it. Given that the most boring car on the planet has a sub-6 second 0-60 time while still putting the person in the seat with the pedals and the steering wheel to sleep implies there is more to it than speed.
Things like the Tesla are intriguing as a concept, but they don't get my blood pumping.
So for example on Canadian cable TV, I saw a VW advertisement for the 2009 TDI's. I haven't seen ANY on US western states cable TV.
D2 $3.27 CN
RUG $3.85 CN
(per US gal .85 cn per liter 3.85 conversion)
The 600 mile range will let me refuel back in the USA for obvious reasons.
Cadillac Kills Crucial Diesel Engine for Europe (AutoObserver)
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
http://idea.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/40730/000119312509045144/d10k.htm
So for example VW "sucked it up" for the 2009 MY Jetta TDI 25% total units, 50 state emissions compliance. . Funny as the big 4 dump millions if not billions in lobbies and congressional monies for the legislators to craft regulations favorable to the big 4.
This is not to say that VW did not pay its expected/required "vigorish", but how much can you really pay for 25% (62,500) of say 250,000 units? Perhaps that is the real reason for the TDI premium!!??? :sick:
Our own (domestic) auto manufacturers can not "rig" the game so they can compete, even as they should compete fairly. It is the "foreign" oem that jumps through the hoops to offer ground breaking products !!??
I use the term as found in medical notations:
pre = before
post = after
con = with
sans = without.
Is that the use you intended, or is there another commonly used meaning that I do not know?
This is not meant as a validity challenge, it is a request for education. I may have missed the previous introduction of the term. Sometimes I can figure it out by context. I may be having a Senior Moment...
Thanks.
Easy to start when cold.
Mileage at least 40% better than a gas engine.
Pollution equivalent or superior to gas engine.
No urea or other "special"additives (just diesel-up and go).
Similar / reasonable maintenance requirements compared to gas engine.
Easy to start when cold.
Mileage at least 40% better than a gas engine.
Pollution equivalent or superior to gas engine.
No urea or other "special"additives (just diesel-up and go).
Similar / reasonable maintenance requirements compared to gas engine.
And then stuff the dang thing into a minivan for us family guys!
Here in San Diego I see the VW mini vans with TDI quite often. Of course they have Mexico license plates.
Bonjour mon ami and happy motoring.
The trip (app 2,300 miles) numbers posted 43.65 mpg (app 49 gals) . In addition to a fairly congested Highway 5 N/S (app 1930 miles), we caught stop and go rush hour traffic into/ out of downtowns: Vancouver, Richmond BC, Seattle/Vancouver, WA, Portland/Tigard, OR. We did almost brutal stop and go city miles in the above same cities. One CN border crossing was INXS of 40 min of literal stop (mostly idle) and go bumper to bumper. The other border crossing took 3 mins tops!? I suspect we also ran the A/C for app 50% of the trip and the heater for another 40%. Ambient temp seemed to range from 32 to 81 degrees. There was almost no attempt at fuel miser mileage procedures. One reason being it will be in the perpetual break in phase till a min of 10,000 miles. I did however, take full advantage of the "no fuel draw" downgrade.
Past history indicates best fuel mileage can be achieved between 35,000 to 45,000 miles and continues to be level to a slight rise till at least 115,000 miles ( that I know of ). I basically used the city and highway to "romp" on the engine and turbo systems (safety first, of course) for "best practices" break in. Translation: diesels need the correct loadings. Turbos need the full operational range of revs for proper emissions, lubrication, heat dissipation, and for the multi speed turbo vanes to wear in and operate correctly.
While I suspect the 03 TDI would have posted 48-59 mpg, ( I have done a few similar trips in this car) nevertheless, I am very satisfied with the 09 Jetta TDI.
VERY VERY off topic, it is a true ADD'ers dream
1. on board computer data tracking: steering wheel thumbs activated decision tree menus access
2. AC plug for computer office operation (need mobile modem, of course)
3. DVD movies
4. Sirius satellite reception, FM/AM/CD/IPOD/AUX port
4b. on board weather updates
4c. truckers info
5. CP chatting
....... GEEZ
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Volkswagen has revealed its new Golf GTD, a sporty diesel version of Europe’s top-selling car. Together with the recently launched Golf GTi, it will provide VW with a renewed two-pronged gasoline-and-diesel attack on Europe’s burgeoning hot-hatchback ranks.
Though the German carmaker has plans to increase the number of diesel models its sells in North America, VW officials say there are no plans to offer the Golf GTD in the States.
Unveiled Friday at the Leipzig motor show in Germany, the Golf GTD runs the latest version of VW’s turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder common-rail diesel engine. With 168 hp at 4,200 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque between 1,700 rpm and 2,500 rpm, it propels the Golf GTD from 0 to 62 mph in 8.1 seconds and up to 138 mph in standard six-speed manual guise. A six-speed DSG (double-shift gearbox) also will be available.
But it’s the Golf GTD’s 44.4 mpg that VW is making big noise about--that’s theoretical range of 645 miles on its comparatively small 14.5-gallon tank.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090326/FREE/903269975
So if VW is so gung-ho on increasing its diesel market share in the U.S., why isn't it planning to bring this little gem in? That's a darn shame! The first-ever diesel GTI apparently dates back to 1982. 27 years later the next generation of the Golf turns over, and STILL we don't get it in the States?!
No word on how much more than the gas version the diesel costs, however....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
My swag is they have the big 4 mistakes as great examples of what NOT to do !
In addition the goal is to go to 40% from 25%, which is a 60% increase. That is a HUGE increase when the market is currently minus -40% !!I It is a real life percentage delta of 100%.
Unlike the MBenz diesels, the timing of the fuel injection was adjusted by such stuff as temperature and engine load. It was absolutely amazing. A club tech session demonstration included an observation of a 524TD training engine on a portable stand. We stood around in a circle facing the running engine listening to the technician talk in a normal "group address" voice. The question was asked about what happens when the "black-box" controller failed. The technician reached over and yanked the box out of it's mount, and in an instantly required much louder voice stated that it reverted to MBenz behavior. If we weren't paying tuition for our daughters gymnastics training, I would have bought one then. The cleaner burning also resulted in little smoke.
Go look at the current BMW offerings...
Now, if we could get that kind of engine in an Impala to go along with our Duramax. Hmmm.
Oh, and to stay on topic: This past week I puchased a 2005 VW NB TDI.
Having spent a few days driving this car, I believe the tile of this thread should be "What Would it Take to Make You "NOT" Buy a Diesel"
I enjoyed the test drives I had taken in TDI's, but to own one and have the time to savor every aspect of a diesel powered car is incredible. The sound, the feel, the power is amazing. I live in a very hilly area of the Pacific Northwest and this little bug walks up these hills like it was flat land.
That is at the top of my list for liking a small diesel vs a small gas engine. Of course not having to find a gas station for 600-700 miles is wonderful.
My travel to shopping goes from near sea level to my home at 2060 feet. With a lot of ups and downs. Over half the 13 miles is on Interstate 8 that is posted 70 MPH. Invariably I get stuck behind a semi that cannot get over 45 MPH on the long uphill grade. Passing with my underpowered V6 Ford Ranger is pure drudgery. With my Passat TDI it was smooth acceleration. I hope you enjoy that car.
Indeed. It was the "Arch". Thanks for the heads up. I will take that exit next time !! I saw a few cars take that way and was thinking hmmmm .... this strikes me like... "the secret way"...
Glad you like your new diesel !! These cars are really optimized for the 50-100 mph cruising.
FWIW.
Sounds like a nice road trip for the new to me, I mean wife :sick: NB TDI. Maybe she will let me drive. :shades:
I even had a guy at church tell me, its a chick car.... Don't care,
Precisely what my two daughters told me at the time I was looking at the 03 NB TDI. I suspect it was too fun a car sans a real rear back seat, and the appropriate ingress/egress. Since a lot of the 115,000 miles have been and probably will continue to be trips over the 6 years, it seems to have worked out for the best that the salesman mistakenly priced and prepared the Jetta 4 door sedan that I then bought on a 7 min second look .
Chicks may like them. However they have more head room than any of the small cars from the Asians. A friend was thinking of getting a small car for running around in. He drives his Town Car everywhere. He is 6 ft 7 inches tall. He told me the only car he sat in that was comfortable for his height was the VW New Beetle. I know my head touches in the Civic and Accord. The specs lie. No substitute for going and checking out the head room and rear leg room. Of course I would not imagine the back seat of the NB is all that roomy.
When I was at a Mini Cooper dealership, I came upon a fellow tire kicker sitting in the drivers seat. I asked him how it felt. I guess he took it to mean that I wanted to sit in the drivers seat and he immediately sprang out of the car. To my almost shock and amazement after he got out, I looked at him and after saying some half baked socially apologetic thing, before asking how tall he was. He replied, 6 foot 6 inches. He said he was very comfortable in the Mini Cooper.
It'll do just fine. Really.
EDL - Electronic Differential Lock (applies brake to slipping drivewheel thus sending torque to other wheel)
ASR - Automatic Slip Regulation (cuts engine-power to match available traction)
And I 'orderd' my 2003 with optional ESP (Electronic Stabilization Program) which adds yaw sensors to the 4-wheel indipendant brake applications.
Bottom line, I can dump the clutch from a stop on a snow-coverd road and the various systems instantly take over and pull the car forward by sending torque to the proper drivewheel and only applying enough power to accellerate smoothly.
The ONLY time I was not able to get the car moving was when the bumper was PUSHING SNOW UP A HILL.... not bad for a FWD vehicle with all-weather tires on it.
Diesel bumped up to $2.27 here - premium is $2.17.
Diesel 2.27, PUG 2.39 , RUG 2.19 , corner store