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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    VW is doing well with Diesels. As are Audi, BMW and MB. When a Subaru Outback with a 4 cylinder gas engine can only get 25 MPG and the same vehicle with a diesel gets 40%, that is 37 percent increase. No place in the USA will you find diesel 37% higher than RUG. I just scrutinized my trip across the USA. The biggest difference I found was 40 cents. And only 20 cents more than Premium which the comparable gas Touareg requires. You can have the gas guzzlers, I am tickled to have a diesel after wasting money on gas in the Sequoia for 6 years. And it was not half the vehicle the Touareg is. A big lumbering gas hog. Not to mention the 700+ mile range to pick and choose where you buy fuel. Never had that option with the 300+ mile Sequoia. I don't think you can find any vehicle that offers both gas and diesel that has real world mileage closer than 30%.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    Cruising down sandy washes is about all I can get Mrs Gary interested in. I do plan to try it in the desert this winter. Hill climbing and rock crawling is more of a specialty. I learned long ago that no matter what you have you can get stuck.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Nor CA corner store snap shot (one of the costliest fuel prices in the 58 state union :)
    ): $ 3.55, $ 3.75, $ 3.85. I am sure it is easy to guess which is which.

    Another interesting gig/trend are the per gal discounts (the ones here are grocery) and CC rebates. The best I have gotten: MINUS -$1.00 combined with 5% CC rebate. I hit the inadvertent jacket pot when I had app 23 gals for a fill.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    ...You guys live in the promised land. Be happy. You can see why the European and Japanese manufacturers develop the engines/transmissions/cars they do."...

    It was great to see your take in print ! We must appear as whiners, given what you have to pay for transportation related costs !

    Another solid reason why I have and continue to like diesels ! For me, it is now getting LONG in the tooth, so to speak @ 288,000 diesel miles ! :), even as I have far more gasser miles, as water under the bridge.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,928
    Less driving today, mostly with cruise set at ~66mph.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,928
    I guess highline PUG only cars might be the mainstay, unless it receives a tax subsidy like it does in some places.

    I saw a podunk station today where diesel was 50 cents more than RUG.
  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    that's the price delta in much of usa.
    on my journey, rug is 2.69 in some places. and diesel is about $4.
    generally it's biggest percentage difference i've seen in a loooong time, unfavorable to diesel .
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,928
    My mistake, I meant more than PUG. It was a shocking difference. Back here in civilization, diesel tends to be maybe 10-20 cents at most more than PUG.

    The difference has increased markedly since I got my car - 8 months ago, diesel was about the same as mid-grade. I wonder what the real reasoning is, maybe related to the massive subsidy going to a high priced darling electric car.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Actually from what I can glean, there are plethoras of reasons. To address your swag, indeed, it is one of the reasons.

    It is darn near impossible to get the price per mile driven (fuel) for the "high priced darling electric car", even @ EPA ratings , let alone real world figures. IF there are real world figures, they have kept it remarkably secret. Perhaps we should get that Snow fellow on this. :) This is really an indicator the prices are actually higher than PUG. A former energy secretary floated a $10. a gal by hook or by crook, trial ballon and probably running it up the flag pole was a reason he quit, or was probably ASKED.

    So for example, if I set up a home charging unit (not counting all the permits, installation, maintenance and additional real estate taxation and costs) I am instantly @ the "penalized" per KWH rate. Right now that is @ 37 cents per KWH.

    Now of course this was highly touted @ 8 cents per KWH, so really fuel is more like 4.63 TIMES higher.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    That's because big oil foots the bill in Alaska.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,056
    ". . .there are plethoras of reasons. . ."

    Hmmm.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Here is one tiny little one.

    The cost of one barrel of oil (in Saudi Arabia) is $2.00 per BARREL. The same oil sheik who said this (to Leslie Stahl of CBS's 60 mins, for TV special, so it can be googled and watched) also mentioned that Saudi Arabia likes to sell its oil @ $60 per barrel to keep the kingdom in the style to which it has grown accustomed. :) :( Right now the price per barrel is FAR higher than that (as of this past Friday, $100.81 a barrel) !! :(
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,478
    I think we need Richard.....

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 10,925
    They sell the diesel in the Forester model as well. Not sure about everywhere, but certainly in some places!

    http://www.subaru.ie/index.php/subaru-models/forester/core-technology/282
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    I had the DSG filter and fluid (app 4.6 L) changed, with Vag.com DSG recalibration (dual clutch "automatic" transmission). There were absolutely no issues @ 65,000 miles. The old fluid looked almost like the new stuff. After the change and recalibration, I could tell almost no operational differences. Based on the information gleaned by gurus and anecdotal data, it appears I could have easily gone 80,000 miles. (oem recommended 40,000) The fuel filter was changed and Vag.com recalibration done. Also had the brake fluid flushed, first time in 4 years. The old stuff almost looked like the new stuff out of the metal can (DOT4). I asked the guru how the brake pads and rotors looked (before rotating the tires). He just cocked his head sideways and said it hardly looked they were used them much. (app 80% of F/R brake pads left).

    Next thing due (in 25,000 miles) are oil and oil filter change. Will probably change out the air and cabin filters then also. Unscheduled BUT scheduled are the tires MIGHT hit 90,000 miles. I skipped a rotation or two (probably two) which might have hurt them. :) :(
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    edited October 2013
    I just put about half the miles over the last two days on cruise control. The VW Touareg TDI has the best cruise control I have ever used. Put it on 70-75-80 MPH up hill down hill it holds the speed with out ever downshifting. I am not talking scrubby little up hill runs. We hit 7550 feet today out of Showlow AZ. It is amazing the torque of that engine. Last tank was 27.2 MPG with mostly uphill driving. We are now in Albuquerque at 5200 ft. Heading down to the plains and flatland will be checking the mileage on those runs. The portion driven on the Interstates is mostly 75, so I lock it on 80 MPH and the tachometer just sits at 2000 RPM. Could never do that with the Sequoia V8. It would drop down on the slightest hill and kick down to 4th gear and scream like a banshee to maintain 75 MPH on long hills. How many gas SUVs can maintain 80 MPH uphill and get 27 MPG doing it?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,331
    I don't subscribe to AUTOWEEK anymore. I get my car news as it happens here on edmunds. An ad for AUDI TDI clean diesel, a write up on the 2014 MB E350 BlueTec, a 1st quarter update on a GL 350 BlueTec, & a 3 page ad for the Chevy Cruze Diesel.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Anybody have any takes?

    This is probably WAY off topic, but Michelin Primacy MXV4's still (overall) are #1 for the VW Jetta TDI's, albeit not best in many to all test parameters (205/55/16 H). They still come oem, if one is lucky enough to get them as such. Ours came oem with the Bridgestone EL 400-02's which are NOT well rated (#24th), yet will probably meet or exceed 90,000 miles. Two tire experts help me to get the top 5 down to top three, adding:
    2. Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus
    3. Continental PureContact W/EcoPlus Tech.

    The kicker here is any of three are almost within whiskers difference/s with the two being $105 to $110 cheaper per set.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    WSJ: Gasoline Prices Skid as Diesel Burns

    Just wait till they start EXPORTING RUG/PUG :)

    The real back story here, which is becoming the front story (despite Al Gore types trying to hide or poo poo it) is the US being recognized as one of the largest oil, natural gas and coal producer in the WORLD. We also could have a virtual lock on solar,wind, hydro, thermo and bio diesel production, from existing industrial waste streams and new and old algae production . This is not even to mention fission and fusion power plants ??? There has never been and is really no shortage of opportunity for abundance.

    The oil and natural gas infrastructure has been purposely left woefully deficient for literally generations ! Just think we all, you all should be walking around in custom boots and ten gallon hats ! :) Yee haw !

    Passing gas (albeit natural and i.e., to Japan, since the nuclear plant closure) will be the "new" American growth industry.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited October 2013
    If you are still in ABQ and hungry, check out the Frontier Cafe.

    68° and sunny out there today - we had snow all day but overnight rain washed it away. Lots of people have had to turn on their diesel burners this week. :)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Fall has been hitting in Tahoe. 25 to 29 degrees over night. Majority of heating is natural gas and propane (much lesser percentage).
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    When (if) the East Coast gets hammered I guess that'll bump up diesel prices too. Still in 50s/60s in NYC.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    Most of the ski industry is praying for a minimum to a maximum snow fall this year ! :)
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,602
    GM must be monitoring this discussion, Buick is adding a diesel [probably the Verano] --- credit where credit is due.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited October 2013
    I don't think many places are using diesel generators to run the lifts any more, so that should help keep your fuel prices down. ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Actually it's a good question. Thinking back last year, we passed a couple of equipment buildings that really had the sound of diesel generators doing the lift action. It didn't cross my mind to even ask.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited October 2013
    Not sure around the Midwest but Bogus was all-electric with backup generators at the lifts. But it's a pretty "urban" hill.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    edited October 2013
    Now you got my curiosity up. (not that it is a pressing issue, but is rather opaque?)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Valley

    This one is the closest.

    Got to love the internet everything you didn't want to know about US ski lifts?

    http://www.skilifts.org/old/index.html
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    I took my sister and and family to Sadies in Alb for dinner last night. 18 of us in all. It was pretty good. I like New Mexico sauces. We are in Perry OK tonight. Just filled up and hit 29.74 MPG. With about half the 555 miles on I40 cruising at 80 MPH. So smooth, quiet and effortless at that speed. Then headed to US60 out of Amarillo and drove across most of OK at 70+ MPH. Hit 96 MPH passing 2 Semis and a PU truck. Love driving this vehicle. We won't have much Interstate on the last 669 miles. Taking US 60 the rest of the way across OK and MO. Miss all the big cities that way. Looking forward to Pork BBQ at Mike & Zach's in Poplar Bluff.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited October 2013
    There's nothing like a foodie roadtrip. :-)

    Although you can't eat and get gas.
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