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Tell the Feds /EPA / CARB to go take a hike and sell the American VW to Hyundai / KIA or the venture capitalist who bought Chrysler before selling it to Fiat .
VW should not pay an outsized fine to serve as the scapegoat,& warning to the other OEMs like GM. The other OEMs have literally gotten away with murder & elaborate cover ups!
My take VW is being persecuted because the parent company is foreign!
VW just needs to not stall, and to seek settlement and move on. It won't be anywhere near 48BN, get it over with and work on damage contro.
I do have to say that a buyback (with a low cost per mile driven depreciation) would probably benefit me! If it doesn't or is not close to reasonable I can join one to many lawsuit/s. At the appropriate time ( if a good deal buyback is proferred), I will buy another TDI.
That was a good example.
Obviously, any strict regulation of cargo shipping cannot be accomplished outside of USA territorial waters. If regulations are too strict within territorial waters, then the ships will merely go to ports that have no regulation, and you and I will pay the transportation costs to ship the materials to our ports by land, thereby increasing the cost of goods and the level of local pollution by truck transport.
What is really needed here is an alternative form of energy that is not fossil-fuel based, which is outside the scope of a topic about diesel cars.
Due to the (per 42gal barrel) refinery ratios (19gal/10 gal diesel) RUG/PUG & diesel are inexorably linked. There are other ratios, also: one being bunker oil.
Your statement is the other side of the absurd ! Waving your magic wand & getting rid of gas and diesel cars and letting shipping still burn bunker oil, you'll still have a BIGGER/same problem ! Well I know you're not advocating electric shipping, but purely from an emissions point o view : that would be ideal
And yes, your agreement & argument are making my case !
Rest easy---people still keep horses (a notorious methane producer by the way) , so you're okay!
In Tahoe, CA, corrals are not far away. One can also hire a full( horse back) week or longer guided camping trip! When there is room, one can board ones own horses ! My daughters have gone for any number of way shorter horse back trips.
I guess I didn't give them enough pony rides when they were kids ?
ULSD $2.05, RUG $ 2.27, PUG $ 2.49.
But I did get my first tank of ULSD on VW ! ( 488 miles for 12.4 gals for $25.66, it is still getting almost 40 mpg for some reason?)
THANKS VW !
What is probably a weird thing is that with either diesel CUV, I can fuel up to 250 miles away or not. Needless to say I can buy on price or not! Getting a $.78 rebate is just icing on the cake.
Moving the goalposts:
"Largely at the behest of Germany, whose auto industry is the world's fourth-largest, the European Parliament has been moving to severely water down NOx standards. Under the new plan, cars would be able to exceed future nitrogen oxide limits in on-road testing by up to 110 percent until January 2020, and by 50 percent thereafter. " (Bloomberg)
Pardon my ignorance but who are the first three ?
US is the numero uno but who are the other two ?
On Thursday, an imminent vote on the diluted standards was delayed until early February after the body's environmental committee overwhelmingly recommended rejecting them. The extra weeks will give manufacturers more time to make their case.
Bloombert's opinion is that the Germany government should raise taxes on diesel cars and let local cities regulate Nox emissions by restricting access to certain corridors.
German concerns are really beyond our perview & control !
Opps, 'scuse the Alaskan typo. I meant barely.
Road trip?
"A Colorado couple on a cross-country drive to return their 2011 diesel Volkswagen Jetta to the automaker's U.S. headquarters in Virginia stopped in Chicago on Friday to raise awareness about the emissions scandal.
Moench and Caspari said they bought the Jetta for its excellent mileage and environmental benefits."
VW diesel owners on cross-country drive make Chicago stop to raise awareness (chicagotribune.com)
The GOOD News is I got my notice of generosity by VW toward me a valued customer. GM and Toyota owners eat your heart out.
A practical attitude, I am sure is Germany feeling persecuted by the United States for actually using LESS oil! (than the US, ratio wise)
Yes, isn't that attitude refreshing? Your post indicates I probably should be receiving the VW letter (2012 VW Touareg TDI) shortly .
Instead, as I remember, they were miffed that it only got 35 to 43 mpg when it was advertised 60 city/50 highway mpg. To be fair I think part of it was the fact that you had to drive this thing like a Wayne Gerdes to get anywhere close to what was advertised! Of course, the political act of cooking the EPA test to FAVOR the hybrid was implemented. Even with the implementation, the Prius still could not hit its own published numbers.
Latest diesel stinker was that same FedEx truck. That's a lot more protest-able.
Suppose I sold you an air filtration system for your home but later you find out it's actually 40X less effective than advertised. Do you give me a pass? I doubt it.
I think the "proving" is a real ideal,, too. The diesel people I know don't yap on and on about the environment, they want something that isn't a penalty box hybrid but still gets 45+ mpg. It'll be difficult to prove purchase intent, although the court system will allow it anyway.
I also find it amusing that the investigation against French makers has apparently turned into nothing, along with claims by a German environmental lobby that an old MB CDI was in violation of regulations also evaporated.
My friends would not have bought an American diesel car nor a gross polluter.
The most ironic video ends with the slogan "Truth in Engineering".
I'd say that these are excellent proof of having been deceived, wouldn't you?
I see an ad for "Clean Diesel". Compared to old diesels, it is quite clean. Compared to modern diesels that can use the cop out of commercial vehicle standards, it is clean.
And what did they expect from German quality? Were they unfamiliar with the past 40 years of VW reputation? For people who know anything about cars, German quality means a few things - nice interiors, nice styling, high build quality, good to drive, inconsistent electronics, expensive maintenance.
I bet they'd buy a Tesla or a Prius or something that just moves the pollution into someone else's backyard.
Or as Bill Maher put it: "VW advertised a green car that pollutes. Who said Germans weren't funny?"
"Almost 90 consumers have also directly filed complaints through the FTC’s Consumer Sentinel Network; many write that they feel deceived and regret owning a diesel with such high emissions. Others worry that they will be unable to sell their cars because of the scandal.
“I am ashamed to drive this car on the road, as doing so is evidence that I have been taken for a fool,” said one consumer from Dripping Springs, Texas.
“Consumers who are environmentally mindful like those who purchased VW ‘Clean Diesel’ cars should be reimbursed before fines are paid to the EPA,” wrote another consumer. “The EPA doesn’t need money, but I do. … I would have never bought a VW if it wasn’t good for the environment.”
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission will be looking into complaints that Volkswagen AG engaged in deceptive advertising with its “clean diesel” marketing campaign.
That's evidence of hunting for a cash grab, to me. I can see compensation for resale issues, but otherwise, grasping at straws. The only winners in this will be lawyers.
No transport is "good" for the environment, some are simply less harmful than others. I question the motives of that complainant.
I was about to buy a Passat TDI , 2 weeks before the scandal hit the news. I interpreted Clean Diesel as cleaner then the previous diesels. No time was I deluded that it is a pollution free clean car. Either I was stupid or I have English comprehension problem ?
Most folks really don't understand yet, but if EV etc. was so "good for the environment " one has to wonder why they fought to freed up Afghanistan, which has potentially $10 trillion worth of rare earth metals needed for the EV etc. infrastructure!? Currently, rare earth metal mining is done in first world countries. But the Eco types will try to end it soon, for as long as it takes China to get the contracts to do rare earth metal mining in Afganistan !
Pollute Nevada so that California can have their Tesla cars .