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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Given the dumbdumb history of German prosecution in general, I wonder if any "for me not for thee" greenie activist types have lobbied their way into this. Now going after the financial element after the environmental one isn't sticking due to the language of emissions regulations. Funny.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    The check's in the mail! To the Feds, then to the states, then, eventually, somehow, to the VW owners. What a confusing mess!
    http://jalopnik.com/vw-will-pay-up-to-7-000-cash-to-half-a-million-diesel-1782512914
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    texases said:

    The check's in the mail! To the Feds, then to the states, then, eventually, somehow, to the VW owners. What a confusing mess!
    http://jalopnik.com/vw-will-pay-up-to-7-000-cash-to-half-a-million-diesel-1782512914

    They can just give me the loot, and I will deal with CA. I can always register it in my son's name in Oregon. Cheaper license and no smog checks. Or I might trade for the MB GLE 300d that is slightly bigger and getting close to 10 more miles out of a gallon of diesel.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    gagrice said:

    texases said:

    The check's in the mail! To the Feds, then to the states, then, eventually, somehow, to the VW owners. What a confusing mess!
    http://jalopnik.com/vw-will-pay-up-to-7-000-cash-to-half-a-million-diesel-1782512914

    They can just give me the loot, and I will deal with CA. I can always register it in my son's name in Oregon. Cheaper license and no smog checks. Or I might trade for the MB GLE 300d that is slightly bigger and getting close to 10 more miles out of a gallon of diesel.
    OR, you could just sell that heap to me...

    I'll give ya 3 grand....cash....


    :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    gagrice said:

    They can just give me the loot, and I will deal with CA. I can always register it in my son's name in Oregon. Cheaper license and no smog checks.

    That could work. We won't squeal on you to CARB.

    (You're still getting a place in Hawaii, right, and you're still letting us know which lava rock you're hiding the key under, right?)

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I don't think I would take the Touareg to Hawaii. Service would be a big problem. The only German car dealer on the Big Island is BMW. I could get an X5 or X3 diesel over there. Just seems such a waste with so few places to drive. That and diesel being a buck and a half more is a factor. No high speed roads or hills to deal with. I think I would enjoy driving a Subaru 6 speed stick shift.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    gagrice said:

    I don't think I would take the Touareg to Hawaii. Service would be a big problem. The only German car dealer on the Big Island is BMW. I could get an X5 or X3 diesel over there. Just seems such a waste with so few places to drive. That and diesel being a buck and a half more is a factor. No high speed roads or hills to deal with. I think I would enjoy driving a Subaru 6 speed stick shift.

    and a couple of scooters, or electric bikes, or a golf cart.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-to-pay-up-to-14-7-billion-to-settle-diesel-emissions-claims-1467117548

    Here's the latest, W terms!?

    Changes to the changes?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-owners-expect-emissions-settlement-165635071--finance.html
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Still trying to digest it. Sounds like owners may have to surrender their car to get the biggest chunk of the settlement money?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Cars then exported to other markets maybe?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    I think the compensation $$ is the same either way. 
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    FAQ: Volkswagen Diesel Emissions Settlement
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    edited June 2016
    And this describes their fate (it's not pretty):
    http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-will-happen-to-the-thousands-of-diesels-volk-1782815084

    What really surprised me is that there is no known fix, and it doesn't sound like one is in the works.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Can't export them lol, Sounds like the activist greenies at work, I wouldn't be shocked the environmental impact of the scrapping process was more than the impact of the cars being on the road. Of course, this is the wonderful group that doesn't bat an eye to pollution as long as it is NIMBY (especially from our "most favored trading partner"), so it might be par for the course.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-to-pay-up-to-14-7-billion-to-settle-diesel-emissions-claims-1467117548

    Here's the latest, W terms!?

    Changes to the changes?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-owners-expect-emissions-settlement-165635071--finance.html

    Q: I OWN A 3-LITER V6 VOLKSWAGEN. WHAT HAPPENS TO ME?

    A: That's still being worked out by all the attorneys. You are not covered by the package announced Tuesday.

    If I read this right you and I with our Touaregs are not in on the cash settlement?? I want $20,000 and buy back in Sept 2018. Perfect timing as my 4 year warranty will be up. With a little luck we may get to drive this wonderful vehicle for FREE. B)

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    Yes! I also think the 3.0 L TDI engine monies should be higher & timelines will be a little bit different ! Free or close to it (pmd: depreciation) will be just fine with me!

    Based on some of the articles and the narratives, I am having a hard time getting close ($12,500 + $5,100= $17,600) to the $$'s for the 2009 Jetta TDI ? The stated amounts are about $12,500 to $ 44,000.https://www.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-agrees-14-7-bn-payout-us-emissions-132302202.html

    So if it is indeed $ $ 12,500 + $5,100 penalty + $1,000 GW + $1,300 TC = $19,900 = minus- $100 for 140,000 miles. (pp= $ 20,000) = .000714 cents pmd:depreciation , that's about as close to free, if true! While it is a bit earlier than I had planned to retire it, I don't think I'd get anywhere close to the original purchase price? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vw-owners-how-to-claim-your-settlement/

    VW diesels are hardly the Lone Ranger that can't be sold ?! https://www.yahoo.com/news/volkswagens-requiring-repair-overflowing-car-041951499.html
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    VW should be loading those cars into containers and shipping them to Africa, Asia or India. Move them out before they are mandated for destruction. Which to me would be an environmental crime. Most of them came from Mexico, ship them back there for any changes or sale in Mexico. I am sure a lot of people down there would be thrilled to get a fairly new Jetta TDI for cheap. Plenty of service as I am sure it is the best seller in Mexico.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    The positive economic impacts of importing those cars to developing areas would be greater than many of the dumbo aid and development packages built by our dear leaders. Destroying them is a far greater crime than the emissions, but logic and accountability aren't concepts known to most ranking members of the court and judge lines of work.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Sounds like VW is going to part them out, not crush them. May be time to invest in that glass stuff that solidifies engines. If you ship a bunch of Jettas to some parts of the world, people will wind up living in them since they won't be able to afford to put diesel in them.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    A 3" hole in the block will take care of re-use. Lots of interior parts for fixing up the gassers in 10 years...
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Cash for VW Clunkers....
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    gagrice said:

    VW should be loading those cars into containers and shipping them to Africa, Asia or India. Move them out before they are mandated for destruction. Which to me would be an environmental crime. Most of them came from Mexico, ship them back there for any changes or sale in Mexico. I am sure a lot of people down there would be thrilled to get a fairly new Jetta TDI for cheap. Plenty of service as I am sure it is the best seller in Mexico.

    Yes? One smart thing to do would be like the Tom's shoe concept! For every new VW car
    sold, a used affected diesel is either sold@ reduced price or given in a developing country.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    What bothers me is where is my relief? My (slightly) asthmatic wife has had to breathe VW fumes for years now.

    All the money VW is giving to the states will just be used for....

    wait for it....

    building more roads.

    Or in Alabama, the governor will build a big beach mansion like he did with the BP Gulf Spill money.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    You heard here first, I told you that getting rid of all diesels wouldn't solve the problem! Most asthma is caused by natural and sustainable plant sex.

    I'm just going to buy one to three more diesels, , 10 to 15 years early! ?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    edited June 2016
    I'd wager an awful lot that asthmatics suffer from commercial vehicles and non motor vehicle pollution infinitely more than from cheater VWs.

    Regarding parting out, is there enough parts demand to make that a viable project? Sounds as dopey as C4C.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    stever said:

    Sounds like VW is going to part them out, not crush them. May be time to invest in that glass stuff that solidifies engines. If you ship a bunch of Jettas to some parts of the world, people will wind up living in them since they won't be able to afford to put diesel in them.

    Giving them to people as homeless shelters would be a good altruistic move.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Ship them in containers and the Jettas could be the storage building for the container "home".
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    You heard here first, I told you that getting rid of all diesels wouldn't solve the problem! Most asthma is caused by natural and sustainable plant sex.

    I'm just going to buy one to three more diesels, , 10 to 15 years early! ?

    I sure would hate being left without a diesel vehicle to drive. It sounds like the award might be transferable. Manufacturing a car is a big polluter. According to Toyota the Prius has to be driven more than 100k miles to pollute less than a comparable sized ICE vehicle. What is the pollution making steel and the various parts for a modern car. And of course the mining is a big polluter.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I'm sure the Brexit vote is also a factor for Euro auto oems.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    stever said:

    What bothers me is where is my relief? My (slightly) asthmatic wife has had to breathe VW fumes for years now.

    All the money VW is giving to the states will just be used for....

    wait for it....

    building more roads.

    Or in Alabama, the governor will build a big beach mansion like he did with the BP Gulf Spill money.

    Steve, you have definitely been "victimized". I assume all the guys here that are being reimbursed by VW will share some of their windfall with you. I think I am getting a slight cough myself.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Oh yeah, I can't breathe!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Here's the latest ! http://www.marketwatch.com/story/volkswagen-to-pay-car-owners-up-to-33000-each-over-the-emissions-fiasco-2016-06-28?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Hope they haven't forgotten the Touareg TDI. Though I don't remember them specifically admitting to cheating on the V6 TDI. They were accused of cheating. So many pundits putting their own twist onto the stories, you don't really know for sure.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Indeed on all points. Right now, I think the actual VW Touareg TDI remedy is still in flux!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    First little trip in the new car today, probably 60/40 highway/city, a bit of stop and go mess, indicated 38.9 mpg.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2016
    Pray tell, more details!

    I was happy to see a less unambiguous chart detailing the range of monies per affected VW TDI vehicle !

    Slow diesel News Day, a 2.75 to 3 hour South Tahoe, CA trip took about five hours ! The wife and daughter drove the 2012 VW Touareg TDI. My daughter absolutely love the Touareg I took shotgun, instead of the more comfortable backseat .

    Happy 4th of July to all! Remember that freedom is not free !
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2016
    gagrice said:

    Hope they haven't forgotten the Touareg TDI. Though I don't remember them specifically admitting to cheating on the V6 TDI. They were accused of cheating. So many pundits putting their own twist onto the stories, you don't really know for sure.


    Apologies if I've posted this before. http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/volkswagen-touareg-review.html/?ref=YF&yptr=yahoo I hope they bring back the 2017 diesel.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    rukingApologies if I've posted this before. http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/volkswagen-touareg-review.html/?ref=YF&yptr=yahoo I hope they bring back the 2017 diesel.

    Haven't read that one before. I am wondering how he missed the Media player functions for Genre, Artist, Album? Mine has all that along with the ability to load in 20 GB of MP3 tunes with an SD card. That said the Touareg would not be on my radar without the diesel engine. No SUV/CUV without diesel will get into my wallet.

    So is the V6 TDI dirty or not?

    Then there’s the 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6, which VW executives in Germany deny even has a problem. On those models, Audi said on November 23 it would update the software and “resubmit” its emissions applications after the EPA found undocumented “auxiliary emission control devices” that were allowing excessive levels of NOx. About 85,000 Audi, Porsche, and Volkswagen models use the 3.0 TDI engine. Owners of these vehicles will receive a software update and possibly a new catalytic converter, according to one early report.

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-vw-diesel-emissions-scandal/
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    fintail said:

    Can't export them lol, Sounds like the activist greenies at work, I wouldn't be shocked the environmental impact of the scrapping process was more than the impact of the cars being on the road. Of course, this is the wonderful group that doesn't bat an eye to pollution as long as it is NIMBY (especially from our "most favored trading partner"), so it might be par for the course.

    I have to agree that the non-export clause reeks of going off the deep end and beyond.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Any guesses how hard it will be to get an insurance company to match VW's offer on a buyback value if someone tries to destroy your TDI prior to you turning it into VW for disassembly?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    stever said:

    What bothers me is where is my relief? My (slightly) asthmatic wife has had to breathe VW fumes for years now.

    All the money VW is giving to the states will just be used for....

    wait for it....

    building more roads.

    Or in Alabama, the governor will build a big beach mansion like he did with the BP Gulf Spill money.

    More importantly, as someone said it takes 100K miles for a Prius to make up for its production pollution, why isn't there an "accident causer tax" to bad drivers for every accident they cause.
    1. There should be a "totaling" tax for destroying a perfectly good car and wasting the pollution benefit of producing that car.
    2. There should be a "repaint and bodywork pollution tax."
    3. There should be a rental car tax as rental car population would go way down absent accident causers mayhem and destruction.
    4. Wasted fuel tax if the gas tank is unsalvageable.
    5. Traffic tax if the accident caused more traffic.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    fintail said:

    I'd wager an awful lot that asthmatics suffer from commercial vehicles and non motor vehicle pollution infinitely more than from cheater VWs.

    Regarding parting out, is there enough parts demand to make that a viable project? Sounds as dopey as C4C.

    Cuba might help in this endeavor.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Cuba would be a good destination. They need the help, and they won't be a pariah (thanks to idiotic cold war politics) forever. It might also foster more attachment for the US.

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2016
    Slow diesel News Day!

    South Tahoe, CA, R/T, ULSD $2.49 posted 30.68 mpg. (478 miles/15.58 gal) @ Folsom, CA. (got to love COSTCO hot dogs) The leg up was almost LIKE 209 miles of commute traffic. The return leg was actually going through several city areas OF commute traffic! The weather was absolutely gorgeous the whole six days ! I hope everybody had a good Fourth of July holiday! It was a good time to remember that freedom is not free!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Anyone see anything about the TDI needing to be in one piece or in "running" condition in order to get it bought back? What if the engine seized? What if someone decides to ram their front end into your rear end?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2016
    No! the real questions are what do you think those will be worth, bluebook value, after all your scenarios?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Just talking to the new neighbor - she drives a 2010 Jetta (the old style body). Loves it except that her AC recently died. She got her $1,000 and just heard from the dealer last week. Sounds like VW sent a canned email out to owners via the dealers which is smart. Keep the dealers appeased a little bit by trying to keep their name in front of their local customer base.

    She has no idea what she'll get in settlement.

    (Cuba could be okay - that's downwind of Las Cruces, right?)
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    andres3 said:

    stever said:

    What bothers me is where is my relief? My (slightly) asthmatic wife has had to breathe VW fumes for years now.

    All the money VW is giving to the states will just be used for....

    wait for it....

    building more roads.

    Or in Alabama, the governor will build a big beach mansion like he did with the BP Gulf Spill money.

    More importantly, as someone said it takes 100K miles for a Prius to make up for its production pollution, why isn't there an "accident causer tax" to bad drivers for every accident they cause.
    1. There should be a "totaling" tax for destroying a perfectly good car and wasting the pollution benefit of producing that car.
    2. There should be a "repaint and bodywork pollution tax."
    3. There should be a rental car tax as rental car population would go way down absent accident causers mayhem and destruction.
    4. Wasted fuel tax if the gas tank is unsalvageable.
    5. Traffic tax if the accident caused more traffic.
    Please ! Don't give the politicians any ideas !!

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Well, my understanding of the diesel settlement is you'll get the buyback offer you get regardless of condition (from poor to excellent) won't make any difference, only mileage will. Worse than poor is non-functioning/non-functional. Can you tow it to VW to get it bought back? What if all that remains of the TDI is a charred VIN number on a charred frame member?

    And I must comment again, getting a "BONUS" buyback bonus for owing more money than the buyback offer is an insane bailout for high debt thrill seekers.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,919
    "Eligible Vehicles" must be "operable" as of the opt-out date (in September 2016 based on the current approval timeline).

    In addition, the "Class" for the settlement excludes:

    Owners whose Volkswagen or Audi 2.0-liter TDI vehicle (i) could not be driven under the power of its own 2.0-liter TDI engine on June 28, 2016, or (ii) had a Branded Title of Assembled, Dismantled, Flood, Junk, Rebuilt, Reconstructed, or Salvage on September 18, 2015, and was acquired from a junkyard or salvage yard after September 18, 2015.

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