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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    HenrynNow that I'm 65, the idea of retirement crosses my mind. And where to live once retired is very high on the list of what I think about.

    There are 10,000 boomers a day turning 65. The last will not join them until 2030. I think you are going to see some serious appreciation in any property that is in a safe desirable location. Hawaii has a lot of homes on one acre lots for under $250k. Many built just before the bubble burst and are now in foreclosure.

    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-1784-13TH-Ave-Keaau-HI-96749/89184636_zpid/

    Hopefully more of the automakers offer diesel in the CUVs that are so popular with Seniors.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    " I would like to take my family with me to enjoy it. "

    I LOVE YOU, MY BROTHER!

    :D
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    slorenzen said:

    " I would like to take my family with me to enjoy it. "

    I LOVE YOU, MY BROTHER!

    :D

    For sure, I always have more room than we need for the two of us.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "FCA's shares dropped sharply in trading on Monday morning following reports that German regulators may have discovered that FCA's diesel engines were cheating on emissions testing."

    Why Fiat Chrysler Automobiles Is in Diesel-Powered Trouble in Germany (fool.com)

    Yet another reason why VW and Fiat should merge. :)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    VW should just buy Jeep and Ram, let Fiat keep the rest of their crappola. They could do well with both.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    VW really needs trucks and SUVs to add to their lineup. And of course, Jeep is Jeep (speaking of the Wrangler).
    2023 Chevrolet Silverado, 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Has VW had enough of our craziness??

    Volkswagen Challenges U.S. Jurisdiction in Emissions Scandal

    Volkswagen is challenging allegations made by the Justice Department over its diesel emissions scandal, questioning the American authorities’ jurisdiction and contending that the accusations against it do not justify penalties.

    It also challenged the court’s jurisdiction over Volkswagen, and over its subsidiary Audi, saying that cars in the United States were sold through local businesses and not the parent companies. It said that the statute of limitations voided any conduct at Volkswagen before 2010.

    Over all, the Justice Department “fails to allege facts sufficient” for any penalties, Volkswagen lawyers said. But the carmaker described the filing as part of the legal process, and said it “has no bearing on Volkswagen’s commitment to resolving the U.S. government’s claims.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/business/volkswagen-challenges-us-jurisdiction-in-emissions-scandal.html?mabReward=A4
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited May 2016
    Hm, my guess is that VW is trying to limit their exposure to owner's lawsuits, since they appear relatively close to a settlement with the Feds. Maybe they are hoping to sidestep some of the individual state's claims too.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    What obvious nonsense from VW. They are, apparently, above all laws...
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2016
    The two CARB tests I had to take STILL does not measure diesel emissions!?

    It really stems from the warning on the three original tests! They only measured the cars tested !

    Go Warriors !
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    While it has always been fun to drive, I had a real treat of a three hour ride in the back of the 2012 VW Touareg TDI! Other than that, a very slow diesel news day. RUG/ULSD are the same price!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    ruking1 said:

    While it has always been fun to drive, I had a real treat of a three hour ride in the back of the 2012 VW Touareg TDI! Other than that, a very slow diesel news day. RUG/ULSD are the same price!

    A pretty rare occurrence (for me anyway) to get to ride in the back of my own vehicle. Sounds like you enjoyed your time there!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Yes I think I would have needed another three hours to enjoy movies and other electronic entertainment and eating a meal and or refreshments.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    VW financing!
    http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsX1tK9arLWrMgjJKmA0zkzO2FxH/RV=1/RE=1466349798/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RO=2/RU=aHR0cDovLzI0N3dhbGxzdC5jb20vYXV0b3MvMjAxNi8wNi8wNC92b2xrc3dhZ2VuLWZpbmFuY2luZy1oaXRzLTAtZm9yLTcyLW1vbnRocy8_eXB0cj15YWhvbw--/RS=^ADAHVTThKn7vUGCs3iydBNNX8csX6Y-
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Desperate times? Of course, home mortgages are down to 3.4%.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    I think you may have hit the nail on the head!

    So in terms of VW financing, yes and no! I would guess they have less problems with subpar financing. So if you qualify for 0% financing why would you not take advantage? Aka, does the competitor offer the same terms ?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    There's a lot of cheap money around. Most car loans are running from 0.9% to 3ish though, I think, for top tier credit scores.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    It also doesn't hurt to get the iris business travel rate of $.54 per miles.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    stever said:

    There's a lot of cheap money around. Most car loans are running from 0.9% to 3ish though, I think, for top tier credit scores.

    One of the credit unions I belong to is offering 1.59% with 20% down. Which I always do. I guess if someone offered me "free money" (that is, 0% financing), I might try to finance the whole enchilada.

    Every time I have been offered 0%, there has been a alternative offer of $1,000 or more cash back, and I always take the cash back. I don't think that's true here (the current VW offer), so I would take the 0% and try to finance 100% of the price. After all, why not?

    Yes, I know you will be upside down on the loan for most of the life of the loan. But if you take the money you would have put down and invest it, then that is not really a problem. I say invest, as opposed to wasting on wine, women and song. Which reminds me of an old joke ...

    2023 Chevrolet Silverado, 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    VW sold me the Touareg TDI at the price I got from USSA. It was lower than CarMax or any other dealer. Well below invoice. We were ready to write the check and the salesman said you want Zero down 0% for 5 years? They financed the whole $54k that included 8% sales tax, title and registration. What's not to like? They filled the tank with diesel and we left without spending a dime. First new car ever where the dealer filled the tank. That includes 6 new GM, 2 new Fords and 2 new Toyotas. Going on 3 trouble free years, best vehicle I have EVER owned.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    From here on out, there can be nothing but supersensitivitivity on affected Touared TDI models! At the same time, it's hard for me to really visualize anything that can happen to it for at least 50,000 more miles or up to the 150,000 mile mark. This CUV ranges from being a really nice towing vehicle to a beast @ autobahn speeds.

    The wife is really liking the compact CUV, MB GLK 250 BT. It is also hard to visualize anything happening to it before 100,000 to 150,000 miles mark.

    You got a love the diesel power trains.

    Go Golden State Warriors !
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    gagrice said:

    VW sold me the Touareg TDI at the price I got from USSA. It was lower than CarMax or any other dealer. Well below invoice. We were ready to write the check and the salesman said you want Zero down 0% for 5 years? They financed the whole $54k that included 8% sales tax, title and registration. What's not to like? They filled the tank with diesel and we left without spending a dime. First new car ever where the dealer filled the tank. That includes 6 new GM, 2 new Fords and 2 new Toyotas. Going on 3 trouble free years, best vehicle I have EVER owned.

    Yes, exactly what I was speaking of when I said given the right circumstances I would finance the whole enchilada.

    And I'm trying hard to remember here, but I can't remember the last time I purchased a new vehicle and did not get a full tank of gas. I can easily remember the last 5 or 6, and they came with a full tank.
    2023 Chevrolet Silverado, 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Can't remember now, but at least one automaker puts that on the Monroney - "full tank of gas". Prius for sure. This 2015 Golf Monroney says fuel is extra.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    hnrynAnd I'm trying hard to remember here, but I can't remember the last time I purchased a new vehicle and did not get a full tank of gas. I can easily remember the last 5 or 6, and they came with a full tank.

    Maybe because Texas owns all the gasoline.. B) I have bought new from dealers in AK, WA, OR, AZ & CA. This was a first for me with the full tank of fuel. And he put it on the dealers CC almost hundred bucks at $4 a gallon. All the rest were delivered with nothing but fumes in the tank. Even the VW dealer in Portland OR that sold me the Passat TDI in 2005 just laughed when I asked.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    stever said:

    Can't remember now, but at least one automaker puts that on the Monroney - "full tank of gas". Prius for sure. This 2015 Golf Monroney says fuel is extra.

    Looks like Toyota will do anything to get rid of their Prius inventory. Don't want their batteries to die on the lot.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    That, and they use so little fuel, the tanks are something like 11 gallon size.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    stever said:

    Can't remember now, but at least one automaker puts that on the Monroney - "full tank of gas". Prius for sure. This 2015 Golf Monroney says fuel is extra.

    Funny you mention it, but every car I've gotten has come with a full tank of gas.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    All of (my) the diesels, including the 26.4 gallon tank were filled by the selling dealers.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    stevedebi said:

    stever said:

    Can't remember now, but at least one automaker puts that on the Monroney - "full tank of gas". Prius for sure. This 2015 Golf Monroney says fuel is extra.

    Funny you mention it, but every car I've gotten has come with a full tank of gas.
    My memory doesn't go back that far (New Year's Eve, 1998 - :) )

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    I'm with you there I'm trying to get my diesels to be at least 20 to 30 years old ! So far one is only 13/14 years old !?
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    gagrice said:

    Maybe because Texas owns all the gasoline.. B) I have bought new from dealers in AK, WA, OR, AZ & CA. This was a first for me with the full tank of fuel. And he put it on the dealers CC almost hundred bucks at $4 a gallon. All the rest were delivered with nothing but fumes in the tank. Even the VW dealer in Portland OR that sold me the Passat TDI in 2005 just laughed when I asked.

    My list of "new" cars is pretty small, but they both came with full tanks. Granted, I bought them both from the same dealer, so that shouldn't be much of a surprise. The only other car we purchased from a dealership, which was a used car, also came with a full tank. But, I had to practically goad them into it. I guess they had the last laugh, though, since they overfilled my oil and blew just about every gasket on the engine. :'(
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    ruking1 said:

    I'm with you there I'm trying to get my diesels to be at least 20 to 30 years old ! So far one is only 13/14 years old !?

    Slacker! What's taking you so long?! B)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    Lol! The 2003 TDI it's really iconic one! 187, 000 miles, the truth this is little to report! Yes ive replaced some parts, but that's the normal stuff! The hardest part is what you would do to any car, keep it clean.

    Right now it seems ultraquiet about the 2.0 L TDI! Right now is though $1000 goodwill program. I also understand that we will receive about $6000 penalties. Other than that nothing.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    edited June 2016
    ruking1 said:

    Lol! The 2003 TDI it's really iconic one! 187, 000 miles, the truth this is little to report! Yes ive replaced some parts, but that's the normal stuff! The hardest part is what you would do to any car, keep it clean.

    Right now it seems ultraquiet about the 2.0 L TDI! Right now is though $1000 goodwill program. I also understand that we will receive about $6000 penalties. Other than that nothing.

    I haven't heard anything except that they reached an agreement. Is it due to be made public on Jun 21?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    The two CARB tests I had to take STILL does not measure diesel emissions!?

    Go Warriors !

    Off topic for all GS Warrior fans.

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    Last year, the implication by the one on the left was that one of the major reasons the GSW's beat the Cavs last year, were a lot of its stars were not healthy. Well they are all healthy this year. They are just MIA, if you know what I mean :D Let us see how game three turns out!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    Slow diesel New Day! I'm way past overload on the political coVerage!

    Warriors are ahead 2 to 1! This comings Friday's game four promises to be exciting!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    It's not that slow. :)

    Volkswagen gets approval for diesel cheat fix in Germany (AutoBlog)

    Looks like some progress is being made.

    Either in a fix or paying off the regulators (hey, you mentioned politics first, lol).
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Does this fix include the 'Turbonator' part?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2016
    Slow diesel news day! Got a free 5 ga ($2.75* 5 = 13.75) l Propel HPR diesel card! No excuse to not try it now.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    Slow diesel news day! Got a free 5 ga ($2.75* 5 = 13.75) l Propel HPR diesel card! No excuse to not try it now.

    So what is it? It says 98% renewable, not Biodiesel? Sounds like double talk to me. Will it void our warranty? We have two locations in San Diego. I may have to ask my VW dealer about it.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    ruking1 said:

    Slow diesel news day!.

    That sounds like a challenge. :D

    This story actually hit the wires yesterday:

    "A growing stack of recent government and private studies has made increasingly clear that Volkswagen was hardly the only company to flout pollution limits.

    Environmental activists have complained for years that nitrogen oxide levels in major cities like Rome, Paris or Stuttgart were much higher than they should be because of diesel emissions, with grave effects on human health. Now the activists feel vindicated."

    Volkswagen Not Alone in Flouting Pollution Limits (NY Times)

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    Oh the emissions control/temperature bogeyman again. As long as the firms can show that moisture is an issue in the system up to the temperatures being questioned, the greenie weenies don't have a case.

    I wonder what those brave "activists" think about rare earths mining - oh, not in their backyard, they don't care.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    Oh yeah? Well, as a big fat greenie, I'm going to hop on a 767 and come punch your lights out.

    (I'll take a Prius cab from SeaTac to your place).

    ((Your lights being your incandescent bulbs...))
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    But if I am not in your backyard, as a greenie, why do you care about me? ;)

    I think I only have one or two incandescent bulbs in operation - one in the range hood, one in an antique lamp. The fridge has one too, I guess. Don't wanna know what's in those, should move on to LED one of these days/
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2016
    I'm downwind. :p

    So, was the new Volt you saw today tricked out with a sunroof by any chance? And what color was it?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    It was dark blue, I think. Didn't see if it had a sunroof. Less odd looking than the original.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The original I saw yesterday had the split rear window, just like the Prius. Don't know about the new ones, but I don't much care for that setup.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited June 2016
    FintailI wonder what those brave "activists" think about rare earths mining - oh, not in their backyard, they don't care.

    Precisely the argument I am having with Rocky on FB. He is completely uncaring about pollution when it comes to building Teslas. As long as it is kept out of Michigan. REE mining and processing is some of the dirtiest processes in the World.

    I’d seen some photos before I left for Inner Mongolia, but nothing prepared me for the sight

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth
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