It's hard to believe a service advisor could be so "ignert".
'jip'.. don't get me started with "service advisors". :mad: I have no idea why they are called that. Because the ones I've come across don't know squat and will shoot from the hip and tell a customer anything; whether they want to hear it or not.
I had one at the local Hyundai store tell me I had to put the proximity thingy (it substitutes for the key) for my Genny in the little slot under the push button that actually starts the car, because that's how you keep the battery in that thing charged. WRONG, there are no contacts on that thing that would enable it to be "charged" by the cars electrical system. That slot is just a place to hold that thing. I put that thing in the ash tray and I'm still waiting for the thing to fail because the battery in it went dead. I've been doing this since I bought that beauty in the middle of March. When I tried to tell him the slot doesn't charge it he said, "Trust me". Somehow I knew I couldn't.
I could tell you another one about when, just last week, I went in to buy an oil filter for that car but I won't.
Unbelievable is all I can say about the ones I've come across.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
LOL! No, I just click on the last person who is addressing the thread we're on.
I guess we're just at loggerheads. I don't believe (in my professional opinion as an appraiser) that there is any depreciation on an expertly repainted hood on a new car like a Traverse (beyond the depreciation that has already taken place by BUYING it) and I don't believe it is necessary or morally obligatory to reveal that a hood has been expertly repainted PRESUMING this repair does not exceed the state law's requirement for disclosure.
If I was selling my used Traverse and had had the hood painted, I certainly wouldn't tell anyone about it unless they asked. And if they asked if it was in an accident, I'd say no, because it wasn't.
My friend's new Prius got vandalized a few weeks ago--it's been repaired and it looks gorgeous, just like new. It is absolutely undetectable IMO.
On the other hand, I appraised a Thunderbird (new type) last month and the repair done on it was awful. THAT car will suffer diminution of value.
that's how you keep the battery in that thing charged. WRONG
Actually, he is right. Our LR2 and all our 2010s have the same type "key" and docking station - no visible contacts. They have a 10 year battery that recharges while you drive. It is done with conductive charging.
Here our my thoughts as a future new car customer (hopefully someday)... If I were shopping for a new car and I found one that I liked and I didn't know it had a hood repainted or a fender touchup done, I wouldn't care. As long as it looked (and functioned) as it should then all would be good. Now let's say that I did know that for some reason the vehicle I would be purchasing had had some sort of body work done. If it was for a bad paint job done at the factory, I would want some sort of assurance in writing that the paint would be warranted from any defects stemming from what ever caused the paint to go bad.
I have seen and experienced good body work. It is possible to even have a brand-new car go into the body shop and have it come out looking better than it did from the factory. Actually any competent shop will have a vehicle turn out better than factory because it's all hand done and not mass applied on an assembly line. So a repaint of a hood or a minor touch up of a body panel wouldn't make me shy away. It's just paint. Big deal. That's how I feel. I know others feel different, but the way my vehicles get treated any new car I buy is bound to get a couple scratches on them anyway...
moo: I agree... you can't depreciate pooh, though oldfarmer may disagree.
jmonroe: I'd like to hear that story where you went to buy an oil filter for Genny. Hope it's something good like you and the Mrs. got into a brawl with the service advisor.
shifty: Yeah, I see your point. You and the guys in the biz certainly know enough about the subject to where it wouldn't bother you to buy such a car (hood expertly repainted). Unless I was an expert painter of cars though, and did (or examined) the work myself, it would always worry me if the repaint was done correctly... hence the depreciation and disclosure.
O.P: Where you at? Hope you haven't given up and taken that car to Earl Schieb or Maaco. :confuse:
No, he is wrong and if you believe this you are also wrong. Neither the owners manual or the people who make the car say this, only the people who heard this tale are the ones willing to repeat it.
They have a 10 year battery that recharges while you drive.
The 10 year part I'll buy, not the charging part.
It is done with conductive charging.
There is no such thing with DC circuitry. If cars had AC, I wouldn't be arguing this but they don't. Try again !!
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I am just relaying the info from the Land Rover tech manuals and our traning sessions - but then again you are always right. It very well (I do not know) be an AC function. My wife's Highlander even has 2 AC outlets in the car.
moo: I agree... you can't depreciate pooh, though oldfarmer may disagree.
Well depreciate poo you can't, depreciation is an attempt to allocate costs over multiple accounting periods that an asset is used. But you could write off shrinkage due to many things that can happen manure that is purchased and stored for resale as fertilizer.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Repainted hood on a Traverse doesn’t depreciate its value, and potential used car buyers don’t care. Appraisers know it and UCMs know it. However, that doesn’t stop UCMs from using repaint to low ball the vehicle at trade-in time in order to maximize their profits. Therefore, as far as the owner of the vehicle is concerned, his vehicle is worth less because he is going to get less at trade-in time.
Reading this thread has been fun. Specally if you sprinkle a little 'rail dust' on it first.
One minor correction, above lrguy44 posted:
"It is done with conductive charging."
I hadn't heard of this before, but IF you have a battery that gets charged by simply putting it in a specified location and does not have any visible electrical contacts, it would be "inductive" charging. Just like my electric toothbrush.
I can't say if your Genesis has a charging doc or not but the newer Land Rovers with key dock do charge. It says it in the manual, it says it in the technical docs and it says it in all the online docs too.
The LR3s also had recharging keys and the Range Rover got recharging keys when they went to the flip style block key. The back of the key has a battery symbol on it with AUTO written either in the symbol or right next to it.
That means the key auto recharges when it is in the dock. If you leave one of the keys in the car for an extended period of time and it drains the key battery when you start the car you will get a low key battery warning. The manual then tells you to leave the key in the ignition with the engine running for XX number of minutes to recharge the battery.
But yeah none of that matters cause you are always right. :sick:
Captain I’m glad you realize this so there is no sense in arguing this any further. Although, one time, I thought I was wrong about something but upon further investigation I found out that I was wrong.
It very well (I do not know) be an AC function. My wife's Highlander even has 2 AC outlets in the car.
Yes, the cars that have AC outlets could use a recharging type system. As I understand it AC outlets are pretty popular on SUV’s today and I’m thinking Land Rovers would also have this since they are upscale SUV’s. However, my Genny has no AC outlets but it could have a dedicated AC port just for the proximity thingy but I have been told by someone that checked into this that it doesn’t. So, we have both heard different stories. I’m still not plugging mine into it port. So, I guess you can say I’m obtaining empirical testing on this myself.
BTW, I’m curious as to what the wattage rating is on the Rovers AC outlets or the Highlanders. I know that whatever it is it will be determined by the capacity of the battery. Whatever you tell me I’ll believe; unless you say it’s kilowatts and will last for 10 hours.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I do see your point, but this is an apples and oranges kind of approach.
A trade-in is actually a voluntary hit the owner takes on depreciation as a convenience to himself. The "market value" of cars, and their possible diminution, is determined by "fair market value" which implies complete willingness on both parties.
A trade in, is by definition, a "distress sale". The owner is voluntarily accepting less than fair market value for his vehicle (obviously less, since the dealer makes a profit on the car), merely for the sake of convenience.
Even IF the UCM spots a re-paint that the owner himself approved and found no fault with, the owner is still free to sell the car on the open market, where most buyers would not be as sharp to spot a defect or as motivated to suggest a price actually below wholesale book.
Land Rovers would also have this since they are upscale SUV’s.
Actually, although the key batteries in all the Rovers charge while driving, thre are no AC outlets in the cars. If I get a chance tonight - I do work late - I will try and get into my wife's owner's manual (the one on the Highlander, not the one on me) and check out the AC outlet specs.
But it may not be just paint. Let me tell you a story from my father. He was an insurance agent, good friends with the owner of a body shop he recommended to his clients. He bought new cars every few years, so I can't recall exactly which car this was, but back in the 60's or early 70's, dad was on his way to pick up his latest new car. His body shop friend told him to swing by soon to show it off. A few days later, dad drove by the body shop to say hello. The guy walked out to check out the car, walked around, and asked when he was hit. Dad said what do you mean, I just got the car the other day. He showed dad how the side of the car had been repaired and repainted. Obviously any body shop guy can see these things. Dad went back to the dealer to raise hell. Long story short, when the car was delivered to the dealer, it had literally fallen off the truck. They fixed it and sold it as if nothing happened. I don't remember how it was resolved, but imagine that happening today? Every reporter and lawyer in town would be all over it.
I have purchased many vehicles, and have seen trade-in values vary quite a bit from one same-make dealer to the next---towards the same vehicle. I have never understood this.
That is because trading cars is still more art than science. Ask 10 wholesalers or UC managers for a value and you will get 10 answers. No one wants to overpay for a trade-in,some dealers want to steal them. Some dealers may not need or be able to use your car so they will pay less. Others may need your car so they will pay more. Some dealers show overallowances,others show you actual cash value.Some dealers may be close to filling a quota or sales goal,so they will pay more for your car. At the end of the day,trade in value represents an opinion,and everyones opinion is different.
I don't buy your explanation for a simple fact. Sure, the owner is getting less money for the convenience of trading it in, but all things being equal, a trade in car with no repaint will be worth more than a trade in car with a repaint.
Try to sell that traverse with a repaint privately, and it should fetch less.
Yes but who would know it was repainted, if it was done expertly?
Even an expert has to get his nose on a car to spot an expert repaint. A casual buyer, or a UCM, who can spot a repaint by standing 3 feet from the car is looking at a sloppy piece of work, I can tell you that.
The point is that expert repaints are VIRTUALLY UNDETECTABLE by 99.9% of the general population.
And since the "market value" is not determined by a handful of paint and body experts, but rather by us, the great unwashed masses, I'd say an expert repaint is a non-issue because no one's going to see it.
RE: "falling off a truck" -- dealers cant' do that anymore. After a certain damage amount, they have to reveal the damage and the extent of it to the buyer.
Besides, if a new car fell off a truck these days, they'd probably total it.
If we suspect a repaint we have our handy dandy hand held electronic device that measures paint depth. It will immediately let us know of a repaint on any or all of the car.
My Jeep Patriot had an AC outlet built into the centre console. However I couldn't take my 1000 watt microwave camping to run off that outlet as it's only rated for 100 or so watts.
why is slightly thicker paint a bad thing if it looks great?
Psychological. Why do buyers insist on a one owner used car. Personally, I will take a well cared for 10 owner car over an abused 1 owner. Also, people worry about the structural damage under the pretty paint.
There is no such thing with DC circuitry. If cars had AC, I wouldn't be arguing this but they don't. Try again !!
I don't know whether your car has inductive charging for the key or not. However your car can and does generate AC for all sorts of purposes. For example does your car have an LCD or fluorescent display of any sort (clock, odometer or similar)? If it does then the display is AC not DC. My point is that the car could generate the AC necessary to charge the key battery inductively.
Hi I am internet shopping for a new 2009 Sonata GLS in kentucky. Was wondering if some other dealerhsip in another citys/state would be honest enough to tell me if this dealership is lying to me.
They are telling me that they are only allowed to make $844 on the 2009 Sonata GLS at full retail.
i just find that hard to believe. I know dealerships sell many different makes of cars, but really, if you could only make $844 per car - why would be a dealership?
I'd like to hear that story where you went to buy an oil filter for Genny. Hope it's something good like you and the Mrs. got into a brawl with the service advisor.
Nothing quite that interesting but I’m sure if I took her, just once, nobody would mess with me. Here’s what happened:
I went in to the Hyundai store to get a filter so I could do the oil change on the Genny that I got in March; it had 4200 miles on it. Then I had a thought, if they could take me in a reasonable amount of time I’d let them do it. You know, build report with the dealer even though I bought the car from a dealer in Ohio because this dealer didn’t have the color I wanted, was higher on his internet quote, and wasn’t willing to go get the car I wanted because there wasn’t one like it for 3000 miles. He left me no choice other than to go 120 miles from the Burgh to get it but I don’t hold grudges.
They couldn’t do the oil change because they were very busy but offered to call their quickie service center up the road (they are a large mega car store). “Yeah, Mr. jmonroe they can take you right away”. So I go to the car and then I had another thought, ‘would these guys have the filter for the Genny’? So I march back in and ask the Service Writer if he could call over to that place and check this out for me. Sure enough, they didn’t have one but they had them in stock at the Hyundai store, so I go to the parts dept. and the guy gives me the filter. I’m expecting the traditional metal can type but it’s a cartridge type. So I said to him, “I guess you do this from under the car because I didn’t see the canister for a cartridge under the hood when I poked around under there the day after I bought the car”. He said, “no, you get to it from under the hood”. :confuse:
I ask him if he was sure about that and he said yes he was sure. I had to pass the Service Writers desk on the way out so I ask them if the parts guy was right. The one I spoke with said, “Oh yeah, it’s under the hood alright”. The other two Service Writers made like bobble heads confirming this. I asked if they had actually seen it under the hood on the V8 engine or might they be confusing it with the V6. All of them assured me they had seen it there “many times”.
Out to the car I go, lift the hood, pull off the plastic engine shroud just like I did the day after I bought it and it still ain’t under there. Back to the Service Writer’s desk I go and I ask, if they can point it out so I’d know where it is for when I decide to do this at another time. The senior guy says “OK, I’ll show you” (in a bothersome attitude) and we go out to the car. Guess what? He can’t find it under there either. :surprise: So much for the many times thing. He says, “I know it’s under here, let me go get a mechanic, he’ll show you”. Five minutes later he’s back and says (sheepishly) “you get at it from under the engine”. I could barely hear him.
Like I said a lot of these guys will tell a customer just about anything. Right or wrong.
FWIW, the story doesn’t end here. They had a clown (if he was a grease monkey that would have been an upgrade) change the oil. I’m glad I was watching so I could point out what should be done. Never again, at least not there. And people wonder why I do this stuff myself. :sick:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Sounds plausible. Markup on new vehicles is very small these days, so after all their expenses and costs, maybe that's what they're making.
I'm not sure about the wording trhat they're "allowed" to make that amount. They're technically allowed to make as much as they can, but maybe that's what their net profit will be after their expenses.
For example does your car have an LCD or fluorescent display of any sort (clock, odometer or similar)? If it does then the display is AC not DC.
I don't know when you got this info but I don't agree with it. My watch is LCD and it isn't an AC watch. I know that, it has a battery, no AC in there at all. :confuse:
My point is that the car could generate the AC necessary to charge the key battery inductively.
I've already said that it COULD but I've been told that it doesn't. Thus my own little experiment by putting the thingy in the ash tray. So far (March) it's still hasn't failed to do all of it's functions.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
A repainted hood on a new car is unacceptable if not disclosed.Period. There can`t be 2 arguments on this.Say a surgeon cuts off a blood vessel by mistake while operating on a joint and then sutures it,,,covers up his mistake and doesn`t inform the patient.Is this acceptable?His rationale would be--the patient did not die and I fixed the mistake/tear. Doesn`t matter if it`s a Chevy or Landrover--A new car is a new car...A repainted hood has to be disclosed and in MHO it is worth less than -as Volvomax always says -an unmolested new car. And Volvomax always says in the trade in forum--A repainted hood definitely reduces the resale value of any car-Chevy or not. The dealer most certainly will really lowball you irrespective of how good the paint job was.And it is not necessary that the buyer drives the car into the ground and so resale doesn`t matter.What if he wants to trade in within 1 year?Most certainly the dealer will give him a highly reduced value.. :confuse: So an undisclosed repainted hood on a brand new car is totally unethical ,dishonest and extremely close to outright fraud. :shades: But if it is disclosed to the buyer,the buyer purchases it and then 3 months down the line complains of a bad paint job or anything related to it,,then the buyer is absolutely on his own and should not expect the dealer to fix anything.It was his choice and he has no recourse whatsoever then. Would it be acceptable to the dealer if the customer took a new car for an overnight test drive,scraped the front hood,got it painted by a quality body shop and then return it by saying-Oh~it`s just a Chevy! Piece of crap..Doesnt matter if the hood is new or repainted! I guess not!
So an undisclosed repainted hood on a brand new car is totally unethical ,dishonest and extremely close to outright fraud
I think that's pushing it a bit.
If that's how customers feel (that every inperfection be reported to the buyer) then you, as a consumer need to lobby that any damage be disclosed regardless of the dollar amount.
To most people it's really not that big of a deal. I personally don't care either. To those that do, they need to stand up and fight for changes in consumer law. I personally believe however that there are other more worthwhile causes to fight for than the reporting of small repairs on new cars. :lemon:
I don't know when you got this info but I don't agree with it. My watch is LCD and it isn't an AC watch. I know that, it has a battery, no AC in there at all.
Whether you agree with it or not it doesn't alter the facts. Your LCD watch has an AC powered display. The alternating current (AC) for which is generated within your watch.
Okay, visited the two websiets in the previous posts. Those prices include the rebate and "all incentives available to customers" which I assume to mean the $3,500 to $4,500 rebate to customers. So fitzway and the other are not that good of a price.
What does your owner's manual say about the key battery?
I have a Genesis also, the dock is there so that if the battery in the fob was to die completely, you can still start the car. The manual shows battery replacement and says that under normal conditions should last "several years" When the battery gets low a message will show up in the dashboard display telling you to replace it.
Like I said a lot of these guys will tell a customer just about anything. Right or wrong.
Depends on what Mazda dealership I go to as to if I get service I can trust. One dealership has had the same service advisors for 5 years. One I'm not to sure about, the other two seem pretty trustworthy. The other Mazda dealership has such high turnover, there usually is a different service advisor when I come in. They've tried to sell me things I didn't need (brakes), and tell me things like they didn't use the wrong type oil, the computer just printed it out that way. :sick:
And people wonder why I do this stuff myself.
I use to do my own oil changes. I could just slide under the car, ... no problem, easy peasy as g.g use to say. Too much of a pain with my MPV. Isell and a few others sometimes rag on the Jiffy Boobs and other instant oil change places, but I've had more problems with dealership oil changes than I have the Jiffy Boob's of the world.
A "one owner car" doesn't add value to a car. What if he was a junkie? You don't see "add 10% for one owner" in any price guide, nor is ownership reflected in Manheim wholesale auction results.
If you'd like to say "lousy repaints diminish a car's value" I couldn't agree with you more. :P
Okay, visited the two websiets in the previous posts. Those prices include the rebate and "all incentives available to customers" which I assume to mean the $3,500 to $4,500 rebate to customers. So fitzway and the other are not that good of a price.
No, if you mean the cash for clunkers money they are not assuming that. Fitzmall is posting the price for which they will sell the car to anyone - trade or not. If you do have a trade that's a separate issue.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
When all else fails: What does your owner's manual say about the key battery? What does the dock do for you if it does not charge the battery?
Captain you’re starting to sound like me about reading instruction manuals. I harp on it all the time so I know the importance of manuals. So, you made me go get the manual and here is what it says: (one quick explanation. The proximity key is officially called a “Smart Key”)
“For your convenience your vehicle is equipped with a Smart Key holder. Use the Smart Key holder for safe placement of the Smart Key when driving or to start the vehicle if the battery in the Smart Key malfunctions”.
Nowhere in the above text or any other information in the owners manual does it say the battery is “charged” by the Smart Key holder.
There are two square indices (one on each side of the Smart Key) that holds the Smart Key in the Smart Key holder when it is pushed in. Once it’s in you must push it to release it. You can not simply pull it out. Again, there are no metal contacts on the Smart Key.
Like I’ve said before, the proximity key (or whatever a particular manufacture calls it) may be charged by placing it in it’s holder (docking station, etc.) on other cars but not in the Genesis. No charging takes place with this car by putting the Smart Key in the Smart Key holder.
Note that the statement said, “For your conveniencesafe placement ”. So, that's what the "dock" does. That seems pretty plain and simple to me but I’m still going to continue with my experiment.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
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'jip'.. don't get me started with "service advisors". :mad: I have no idea why they are called that. Because the ones I've come across don't know squat and will shoot from the hip and tell a customer anything; whether they want to hear it or not.
I had one at the local Hyundai store tell me I had to put the proximity thingy (it substitutes for the key) for my Genny in the little slot under the push button that actually starts the car, because that's how you keep the battery in that thing charged. WRONG, there are no contacts on that thing that would enable it to be "charged" by the cars electrical system. That slot is just a place to hold that thing. I put that thing in the ash tray and I'm still waiting for the thing to fail because the battery in it went dead. I've been doing this since I bought that beauty in the middle of March. When I tried to tell him the slot doesn't charge it he said, "Trust me". Somehow I knew I couldn't.
I could tell you another one about when, just last week, I went in to buy an oil filter for that car but I won't.
Unbelievable is all I can say about the ones I've come across.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I guess we're just at loggerheads. I don't believe (in my professional opinion as an appraiser) that there is any depreciation on an expertly repainted hood on a new car like a Traverse (beyond the depreciation that has already taken place by BUYING it) and I don't believe it is necessary or morally obligatory to reveal that a hood has been expertly repainted PRESUMING this repair does not exceed the state law's requirement for disclosure.
If I was selling my used Traverse and had had the hood painted, I certainly wouldn't tell anyone about it unless they asked. And if they asked if it was in an accident, I'd say no, because it wasn't.
My friend's new Prius got vandalized a few weeks ago--it's been repaired and it looks gorgeous, just like new. It is absolutely undetectable IMO.
On the other hand, I appraised a Thunderbird (new type) last month and the repair done on it was awful. THAT car will suffer diminution of value.
Neither does he !!!
Here we go again and this was around twenty years ago. It just never stops. :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Actually, he is right. Our LR2 and all our 2010s have the same type "key" and docking station - no visible contacts. They have a 10 year battery that recharges while you drive. It is done with conductive charging.
I have seen and experienced good body work. It is possible to even have a brand-new car go into the body shop and have it come out looking better than it did from the factory. Actually any competent shop will have a vehicle turn out better than factory because it's all hand done and not mass applied on an assembly line. So a repaint of a hood or a minor touch up of a body panel wouldn't make me shy away. It's just paint. Big deal. That's how I feel. I know others feel different, but the way my vehicles get treated any new car I buy is bound to get a couple scratches on them anyway...
jmonroe: I'd like to hear that story where you went to buy an oil filter for Genny. Hope it's something good like you and the Mrs. got into a brawl with the service advisor.
shifty: Yeah, I see your point. You and the guys in the biz certainly know enough about the subject to where it wouldn't bother you to buy such a car (hood expertly repainted). Unless I was an expert painter of cars though, and did (or examined) the work myself, it would always worry me if the repaint was done correctly... hence the depreciation and disclosure.
O.P: Where you at? Hope you haven't given up and taken that car to Earl Schieb or Maaco. :confuse:
No, he is wrong and if you believe this you are also wrong. Neither the owners manual or the people who make the car say this, only the people who heard this tale are the ones willing to repeat it.
They have a 10 year battery that recharges while you drive.
The 10 year part I'll buy, not the charging part.
It is done with conductive charging.
There is no such thing with DC circuitry. If cars had AC, I wouldn't be arguing this but they don't. Try again !!
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
It very well (I do not know) be an AC function. My wife's Highlander even has 2 AC outlets in the car.
Well depreciate poo you can't, depreciation is an attempt to allocate costs over multiple accounting periods that an asset is used. But you could write off shrinkage due to many things that can happen manure that is purchased and stored for resale as fertilizer.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
One minor correction, above lrguy44 posted:
"It is done with conductive charging."
I hadn't heard of this before, but IF you have a battery that gets charged by simply putting it in a specified location and does not have any visible electrical contacts, it would be "inductive" charging. Just like my electric toothbrush.
The LR3s also had recharging keys and the Range Rover got recharging keys when they went to the flip style block key. The back of the key has a battery symbol on it with AUTO written either in the symbol or right next to it.
That means the key auto recharges when it is in the dock. If you leave one of the keys in the car for an extended period of time and it drains the key battery when you start the car you will get a low key battery warning. The manual then tells you to leave the key in the ignition with the engine running for XX number of minutes to recharge the battery.
But yeah none of that matters cause you are always right. :sick:
Captain I’m glad you realize this so there is no sense in arguing this any further. Although, one time, I thought I was wrong about something but upon further investigation I found out that I was wrong.
It very well (I do not know) be an AC function. My wife's Highlander even has 2 AC outlets in the car.
Yes, the cars that have AC outlets could use a recharging type system. As I understand it AC outlets are pretty popular on SUV’s today and I’m thinking Land Rovers would also have this since they are upscale SUV’s. However, my Genny has no AC outlets but it could have a dedicated AC port just for the proximity thingy but I have been told by someone that checked into this that it doesn’t. So, we have both heard different stories. I’m still not plugging mine into it port. So, I guess you can say I’m obtaining empirical testing on this myself.
BTW, I’m curious as to what the wattage rating is on the Rovers AC outlets or the Highlanders. I know that whatever it is it will be determined by the capacity of the battery. Whatever you tell me I’ll believe; unless you say it’s kilowatts and will last for 10 hours.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
A trade-in is actually a voluntary hit the owner takes on depreciation as a convenience to himself. The "market value" of cars, and their possible diminution, is determined by "fair market value" which implies complete willingness on both parties.
A trade in, is by definition, a "distress sale". The owner is voluntarily accepting less than fair market value for his vehicle (obviously less, since the dealer makes a profit on the car), merely for the sake of convenience.
Even IF the UCM spots a re-paint that the owner himself approved and found no fault with, the owner is still free to sell the car on the open market, where most buyers would not be as sharp to spot a defect or as motivated to suggest a price actually below wholesale book.
Darn tootin I disagree. If you leave pooh around long enough it becomes "compost" and is highly sought after by rich home owners like you and jmonroe.
So pooh actually INCREASES in value over time. The same can not be said of used Chryslers.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Actually, although the key batteries in all the Rovers charge while driving, thre are no AC outlets in the cars. If I get a chance tonight - I do work late - I will try and get into my wife's owner's manual (the one on the Highlander, not the one on me) and check out the AC outlet specs.
What do I know - I was a liberal arts major in college. But I do know a kid's meal from a quarter pounder.
Ask 10 wholesalers or UC managers for a value and you will get 10 answers.
No one wants to overpay for a trade-in,some dealers want to steal them. Some dealers may not need or be able to use your car so they will pay less. Others may need your car so they will pay more. Some dealers show overallowances,others show you actual cash value.Some dealers may be close to filling a quota or sales goal,so they will pay more for your car.
At the end of the day,trade in value represents an opinion,and everyones opinion is different.
Try to sell that traverse with a repaint privately, and it should fetch less.
Even an expert has to get his nose on a car to spot an expert repaint. A casual buyer, or a UCM, who can spot a repaint by standing 3 feet from the car is looking at a sloppy piece of work, I can tell you that.
The point is that expert repaints are VIRTUALLY UNDETECTABLE by 99.9% of the general population.
And since the "market value" is not determined by a handful of paint and body experts, but rather by us, the great unwashed masses, I'd say an expert repaint is a non-issue because no one's going to see it.
RE: "falling off a truck" -- dealers cant' do that anymore. After a certain damage amount, they have to reveal the damage and the extent of it to the buyer.
Besides, if a new car fell off a truck these days, they'd probably total it.
And besides, why is slightly thicker paint a bad thing if it looks great?
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Psychological. Why do buyers insist on a one owner used car. Personally, I will take a well cared for 10 owner car over an abused 1 owner. Also, people worry about the structural damage under the pretty paint.
I don't know whether your car has inductive charging for the key or not. However your car can and does generate AC for all sorts of purposes. For example does your car have an LCD or fluorescent display of any sort (clock, odometer or similar)? If it does then the display is AC not DC. My point is that the car could generate the AC necessary to charge the key battery inductively.
I am internet shopping for a new 2009 Sonata GLS in kentucky. Was wondering if some other dealerhsip in another citys/state would be honest enough to tell me if this dealership is lying to me.
They are telling me that they are only allowed to make $844 on the 2009 Sonata GLS at full retail.
i just find that hard to believe. I know dealerships sell many different makes of cars, but really, if you could only make $844 per car - why would be a dealership?
Would anyone out there be honest with me? Please.
Nothing quite that interesting but I’m sure if I took her, just once, nobody would mess with me. Here’s what happened:
I went in to the Hyundai store to get a filter so I could do the oil change on the Genny that I got in March; it had 4200 miles on it. Then I had a thought, if they could take me in a reasonable amount of time I’d let them do it. You know, build report with the dealer even though I bought the car from a dealer in Ohio because this dealer didn’t have the color I wanted, was higher on his internet quote, and wasn’t willing to go get the car I wanted because there wasn’t one like it for 3000 miles. He left me no choice other than to go 120 miles from the Burgh to get it but I don’t hold grudges.
They couldn’t do the oil change because they were very busy but offered to call their quickie service center up the road (they are a large mega car store). “Yeah, Mr. jmonroe they can take you right away”. So I go to the car and then I had another thought, ‘would these guys have the filter for the Genny’? So I march back in and ask the Service Writer if he could call over to that place and check this out for me. Sure enough, they didn’t have one but they had them in stock at the Hyundai store, so I go to the parts dept. and the guy gives me the filter. I’m expecting the traditional metal can type but it’s a cartridge type. So I said to him, “I guess you do this from under the car because I didn’t see the canister for a cartridge under the hood when I poked around under there the day after I bought the car”. He said, “no, you get to it from under the hood”. :confuse:
I ask him if he was sure about that and he said yes he was sure. I had to pass the Service Writers desk on the way out so I ask them if the parts guy was right. The one I spoke with said, “Oh yeah, it’s under the hood alright”. The other two Service Writers made like bobble heads confirming this. I asked if they had actually seen it under the hood on the V8 engine or might they be confusing it with the V6. All of them assured me they had seen it there “many times”.
Out to the car I go, lift the hood, pull off the plastic engine shroud just like I did the day after I bought it and it still ain’t under there. Back to the Service Writer’s desk I go and I ask, if they can point it out so I’d know where it is for when I decide to do this at another time. The senior guy says “OK, I’ll show you” (in a bothersome attitude) and we go out to the car. Guess what? He can’t find it under there either. :surprise: So much for the many times thing. He says, “I know it’s under here, let me go get a mechanic, he’ll show you”. Five minutes later he’s back and says (sheepishly) “you get at it from under the engine”. I could barely hear him.
Like I said a lot of these guys will tell a customer just about anything. Right or wrong.
FWIW, the story doesn’t end here. They had a clown (if he was a grease monkey that would have been an upgrade) change the oil. I’m glad I was watching so I could point out what should be done. Never again, at least not there. And people wonder why I do this stuff myself. :sick:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I'm not sure about the wording trhat they're "allowed" to make that amount. They're technically allowed to make as much as they can, but maybe that's what their net profit will be after their expenses.
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I don't know when you got this info but I don't agree with it. My watch is LCD and it isn't an AC watch. I know that, it has a battery, no AC in there at all. :confuse:
My point is that the car could generate the AC necessary to charge the key battery inductively.
I've already said that it COULD but I've been told that it doesn't. Thus my own little experiment by putting the thingy in the ash tray. So far (March) it's still hasn't failed to do all of it's functions.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
There can`t be 2 arguments on this.Say a surgeon cuts off a blood vessel by mistake while operating on a joint and then sutures it,,,covers up his mistake and doesn`t inform the patient.Is this acceptable?His rationale would be--the patient did not die and I fixed the mistake/tear.
Doesn`t matter if it`s a Chevy or Landrover--A new car is a new car...A repainted hood has to be disclosed and in MHO it is worth less than -as Volvomax always says
And Volvomax always says in the trade in forum--A repainted hood definitely reduces the resale value of any car-Chevy or not.
The dealer most certainly will really lowball you irrespective of how good the paint job was.And it is not necessary that the buyer drives the car into the ground and so resale doesn`t matter.What if he wants to trade in within 1 year?Most certainly the dealer will give him a highly reduced value.. :confuse:
So an undisclosed repainted hood on a brand new car is totally unethical ,dishonest and extremely close to outright fraud. :shades:
But if it is disclosed to the buyer,the buyer purchases it and then 3 months down the line complains of a bad paint job or anything related to it,,then the buyer is absolutely on his own and should not expect the dealer to fix anything.It was his choice and he has no recourse whatsoever then.
Would it be acceptable to the dealer if the customer took a new car for an overnight test drive,scraped the front hood,got it painted by a quality body shop and then return it by saying-Oh~it`s just a Chevy! Piece of crap..Doesnt matter if the hood is new or repainted! I guess not!
Yeah but thats not depreciation.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
When all else fails: What does your owner's manual say about the key battery? What does the dock do for you if it does not charge the battery?
I think that's pushing it a bit.
If that's how customers feel (that every inperfection be reported to the buyer) then you, as a consumer need to lobby that any damage be disclosed regardless of the dollar amount.
To most people it's really not that big of a deal. I personally don't care either. To those that do, they need to stand up and fight for changes in consumer law. I personally believe however that there are other more worthwhile causes to fight for than the reporting of small repairs on new cars. :lemon:
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Wow, 20%? That's crazy. With some cars selling for invoice minus $5k in rebates, 20% of MSRP could be a huge % of actual selling price.
Whether you agree with it or not it doesn't alter the facts. Your LCD watch has an AC powered display. The alternating current (AC) for which is generated within your watch.
Good Luck
What did Edmund's TMV say?
I have a Genesis also, the dock is there so that if the battery in the fob was to die completely, you can still start the car. The manual shows battery replacement and says that under normal conditions should last "several years" When the battery gets low a message will show up in the dashboard display telling you to replace it.
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Depends on what Mazda dealership I go to as to if I get service I can trust. One dealership has had the same service advisors for 5 years. One I'm not to sure about, the other two seem pretty trustworthy. The other Mazda dealership has such high turnover, there usually is a different service advisor when I come in. They've tried to sell me things I didn't need (brakes), and tell me things like they didn't use the wrong type oil, the computer just printed it out that way. :sick:
And people wonder why I do this stuff myself.
I use to do my own oil changes. I could just slide under the car, ... no problem, easy peasy as g.g use to say. Too much of a pain with my MPV. Isell and a few others sometimes rag on the Jiffy Boobs and other instant oil change places, but I've had more problems with dealership oil changes than I have the Jiffy Boob's of the world.
If you'd like to say "lousy repaints diminish a car's value" I couldn't agree with you more. :P
No, if you mean the cash for clunkers money they are not assuming that. Fitzmall is posting the price for which they will sell the car to anyone - trade or not. If you do have a trade that's a separate issue.
Captain you’re starting to sound like me about reading instruction manuals. I harp on it all the time so I know the importance of manuals. So, you made me go get the manual and here is what it says: (one quick explanation. The proximity key is officially called a “Smart Key”)
“For your convenience your vehicle is equipped with a Smart Key holder. Use the Smart Key holder for safe placement of the Smart Key when driving or to start the vehicle if the battery in the Smart Key malfunctions”.
Nowhere in the above text or any other information in the owners manual does it say the battery is “charged” by the Smart Key holder.
There are two square indices (one on each side of the Smart Key) that holds the Smart Key in the Smart Key holder when it is pushed in. Once it’s in you must push it to release it. You can not simply pull it out. Again, there are no metal contacts on the Smart Key.
Like I’ve said before, the proximity key (or whatever a particular manufacture calls it) may be charged by placing it in it’s holder (docking station, etc.) on other cars but not in the Genesis. No charging takes place with this car by putting the Smart Key in the Smart Key holder.
Note that the statement said, “For your convenience safe placement ”. So, that's what the "dock" does. That seems pretty plain and simple to me but I’m still going to continue with my experiment.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl