next door neighbor............he said that he always recommends repair over replacement for small chips because there is always the chance that the replacement won't seal as well as the original glass.
So true. Badly installed or sealed windhsield will result in puddles under your feet if you live in rainy region.
I'd let them do the chip repair. Chip repairs do not affect value of vehicles. I doubt that they will give you a discount as it sounds like the deal is already done and they won't be wrewriting the papers. A written guarantee is more likely.
Even better if you find one in impeccable mechanical condition with banged up body that was owned by a senior.
My elderly aunt has a vehicle she maintains religously, but the car's body looks like from a demo derby. Some seniors take good mechanical care of their cars but bang them up easily in parking lots and driveways so you might be able to find a low mileage good mechanical shape vehicle that way.
Maybe try putting a Wanted ad: Wanted Buick Century/Regal/Taurus, any mid size car, must be mechanically excellent but needing bodywork under $2500.
I second Jipster with the Buick Regal idea. Any of those GM FWD H or W body cars with that 3800 are good buys. Safe, reliable, excluding the plastic intake manifold problems but those can be spotted and by now a car with that problem has probably had it fixed, and good gas mileage for their size.
The regal is about the same size as the S60 and a Park Avenue or Bonneville would be a little bigger. An Oldsmobile is also a good choice as they will be a bit cheaper because they are a discontinued make. Try out a LSS or an 88 maybe.
The oldsmobiles will be a bit more floaty then the Buicks and a lot more floaty then the Pontiacs but are still good cars.
Have you considered that your daughter may need additional driver training instead of another car? I know that you didn't ask for parenting advice but I'm just saying...
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"I'd let them do the chip repair. Chip repairs do not affect value of vehicles."
In 2000 I had a '94 Rodeo with a chip just on the driver's side of center. It had been there for several years and did not bother me. I decided to get it fixed in preparation to looking at trading it in. I carry $0 deductible comprehensive with Allstate. Called them about replacement. They sent out a glass company to repair it with the drill and patch. Nope. They would not repair one in that part of the glass. I guess liability with the driver's vision. So, Allstate replaced it. It did not matter to me since it cost me the same either way.
Now, I have it's replacement, 2000 Trooper demoted to secondary duty last year when I bought a '08 Saturn Outlook. I am just carrying liability coverage on the old one an of course it has gotten 2 windshield pecks. At least they are on the far passenger side. I need to see about getting them repaired before I have to replace the whole thing due to a 'runner'.
A chip is easily repaired for about $40. Failure to fix it can lead to a crack, especially when cold wash water is sprayed on a hot winshield. Here, windshield life is short because of pitting and rocks being kicked up. Many insurance companies no longer offer glass coverage in Colorado. The dealer wants to fix it so it does create a problem right after the sale.
well - from my own experience driving - i went through 3 engines in 3 different cars the 3 years i drove during high school. My dad said i had to speeds - Vroom and VROOM!. It wasn't till the 4th vehicle when I blew the tranny on it (not really my fault though) and I had to pay for it that I really started to learn how to treat my vehicles...
Anyway, I would go for a GM car too. The Ford's are okay especially the Taurus/Sables right before they discontinued them the first time - like 2002 or 2003. Not bad, but not as reliable as the GM front drivers. A early century GM front driver like the Impala or a Buick Century with the 3.8 like everyone else has mentioned. That motor is almost bullet proof and gets really good mileage. They are inexpensive to insure as well. Anything GM made with that motor should do well, since they are all basically the same car with a little different body style wrapped around the drivetrain.
GM front driver like the Impala or a Buick Century with the 3.8 like everyone else has mentioned. That motor is almost bullet proof and gets really good mileage
GM is still using that same engine (3800) in their new Buick LaCrosse aren't they?
which is almost too bad since that 3.8 got as good as mileage as the these newer motors. But it doesn't have the HP though. It has the torque, but not the HP. Besides can you just imagine the flame job GM would be getting for using a 20 year old engine in a brand new car?? Oh wait, we can still flame them. They are using a 20 year old 4.3 V6 in their base model Silverados and Sierras. (it's also a very good motor)
I saw that too, and I question their results. Ten seconds for a 383 Challenger? I can see close to ten seconds for a 327 Camaro with a 2 bbl. carb that was rated at 210 h.p. or something. I wonder if the Challenger they tested way back when wasn't running right.
I wonder how CR tests acceleration anyway. They always seem a half a second slower to 60 than Edmunds, Car and Driver etc etc.
Bottom line is, most of those old muscle cars ran the qurter mile in the low to mid 14 second range, same as the new ones. And the fastest f the old ones ran high 13s, which is about the same as the new ones. Maybe the new Shelby beats that by a little.
Hello folks I am writing this message to seek your opnion on a 2006 Acura certified RL I bought yesterday. As i brought the car home, I went to pick up some pizza and as I was waiting there were some people who came towards my car and started screeming to get out of the car. As I got out of the car, I saw there was fire coming from where the fog lights are and soon heavy smoke was coming out from undr the hood. Obvioulsy I don't want the car anymore and had it towed back to where I bought it. They are not open till tommorow and I am wondering about my next step. I simply want to cancel the sales and be done with it. Do I need a lawyer? thanks for time
For the RL, it may be a moot point, once the insurance gets done with it. I thought a fire pretty much totalled a car these days? I do know that if my car ever catches on fire, I hope someone throws some logs on it to make sure it's a good one! Not if it is in the garage of course...
As to CR, they test like "normal" people drive. Sit with the car idling, and just floor it (or come off the clutch normally). No brake torquing on an AT, no 5K rpm clutch dumps on a manual.
I was surprised by the result for the 383 also, but keep in mind, there were the regular versions of engines, and the HiPo ones. I'm sure that the challenger was a bit on the porky side, and probably had the lowest HP and an AT. That, and serius traction issues with the skinny bia ply tires!
Depends on the state. Here in NY all cars from a dealer come with a 30 day warranty (illegal to sell "as is") so check your state law. Also if the Acura is CPO by Acura I would think that anything that would cause it to burst into flames must be covered.
Finally, I would think that any car dealer in his right mind would want to refund every penny so as to avoid the bad publicity.
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I was thinking about the effect the C4C rebates will have on the resale values of cars that were sold this year. This program essentially dropped the price of 700,000 cars by $4000 on average. Won't this have an impact not only on those cars but all cars sold this year?
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Different models with different engines had rear end ratios suited for higher mileage or for get up and spin 'em. So some motors probably were geared for cruising and were slow on acceleration.
I recall ordering a Mustang with a limited slip so it came with 3.00 rather than 2.75 rear axle. Probably was a noticeable difference in acceleration and loss in mileage.
Not so clear that the prices were lowered. Remember the discussion on the stories forum about dealers charging MSRP. I'm sure over the long run, it will be a wash.
Some of you provided very good advice so I thought I would let you know how it went. I waited a few days and phoned the dealer back ready to make a deal at $32,000. Unfortunately the vehicle had sold.
I made a mistake on this one, but luckily there are lots of used Mercedes around these days. I have noticed that dealers currently have about $10-12,000 off leftover 09's currently but unfortunately I am located in Canada and dealers will not sell me a new vehicle. How will that affect current used prices?
For instance, one dealer which is only about a 3 hour drive from me house (I live very close to the border) has an 08 "demo" with 8,000 miles which is really a used car at this point, for sale which they can sell me. They are asking $42K (original stick was $50) but that seems a little high since a brand new 09 vehicle is marked $45K right beside it. The 08 has 14 months of warranty gone. Apparently the owner drove it. Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Most Certfied Programs have a 30 day exchange policy, some may even have a money back policy. First check your paperwork to find out if the car is indeed a Certified Pre Owned Vehicle, meaning it has an extended original Acura warranty.
If it has an exchange provisions then you can exchange it for another vehicle at the dealership. If there's no return clause then you're out of luck and cannot simply "cancel" it.
If it is Certified but has no exchange provisions or if the fire is caused by a mechanical issue that's under warranty then you won't be able to return or exchange it, but they should fix it for you.
If the fire was caused by something else, not mechanical then it would be an insurance issue.
You don't need a lawyer yet. Read your contract first and go from there. Only hire a lawyer if you were hurt, or if the dealer is not going according to what your certified paperwork says (not wanting to exchange it if you have that option in your contract etc.)
Ah Ha. So the dealer did not perform (or check to see if someone else performed) a required recall repair. Wouldn't that be covered in a CPO car? If not, I can't see paying a premium for such a car.
Maybe the OP should call one of the lawyers listed on that page.
BTW, if my one day old car caught fire and the dealer told me "Sorry, you own the car" I would be at a lawyers' office that afternoon. :lemon:
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Perhaps. The OP did say he was picking up a pizza. Maybe he picked it up and put it in the engine compartment instead of the trunk... ala Kramer in that Seinfeld episode. :surprise:
The warranty ends at the posted yr/mileage irrespective of how many miles it was driven before it was first sold.So if the dealer drives 6k miles on a car with a 3yr/36k mile warranty,then in this case it would include 3yrs from the sale date but only the 36k miles.So technically you get a 3yr/30k mile coverage.It also depends on the dealer.Sometimes the dealer extends it to 42k but it is at the sole discretion of the dealer. So a demo with 6k miles has only 30k mile left on its warranty even though it gets the 3yr coverage.
Actually, in some cases the time starts when the dealer RDRs (reports demo status) to the manufacturer. Therefore, if the car had been in demo status for 6 months, with 6k driven, the remaining warranty is 30/36.
I have noticed that dealers currently have about $10-12,000 off leftover 09's currently but unfortunately I am located in Canada and dealers will not sell me a new vehicle. How will that affect current used prices?
I really don’t understand any of this. Why can’t a dealer sell you a NEW car?
They are asking $42K (original stick was $50) but that seems a little high since a brand new 09 vehicle is marked $45K right beside it.
Are you comparing apples and oranges? What is the sticker price of the new ’09 that is “marked $45K”?
The 08 has 14 months of warranty gone. Apparently the owner drove it. Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Again, I don’t understand this. What do you mean by, “Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Others have given advice about how a warranty works for a demo but I don’t see where you asked that question.
Like someone has already said, ‘a demo is simply a used car’ but it will have a new title when it is purchased. That’s the way I viewed it when I helped my Mother buy a demo in ’89. The dealer didn’t like my reasoning but the car was purchased at a used car price. As for the warranty, she got the “remainder” of the 36K miles limit but she did get 3 years from date of purchase as far as the warranty “time” limit.
It sounds like you haven’t decided whether you want a used or a new car unless the price will determine this for you.
jmonroe
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It's been a while, but I thought the warranty was X years from sale date, plus mileage out until you got 36K + delivery miles? I could swear one of my cars came that way, but I could be wrong (first time for everything)
Bizarrely enough, my buddie's wife had this happen to her in her TSX. I think this was probably in '05. She was driving down the highway and people were waving their hands at her to get her to stop. She stopped and the whole car was then engulfed in flames. I'm not sure what happened there, but she narrowly avoided serious injury or death.
I don't think there is more to this story. These things do happen.
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So true. Badly installed or sealed windhsield will result in puddles under your feet if you live in rainy region.
I'd let them do the chip repair. Chip repairs do not affect value of vehicles. I doubt that they will give you a discount as it sounds like the deal is already done and they won't be wrewriting the papers. A written guarantee is more likely.
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Only if the chip occurred when the lot boy rolled the car over
LOL hahahahe, good one!
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Even better if you find one in impeccable mechanical condition with banged up body that was owned by a senior.
My elderly aunt has a vehicle she maintains religously, but the car's body looks like from a demo derby. Some seniors take good mechanical care of their cars but bang them up easily in parking lots and driveways so you might be able to find a low mileage good mechanical shape vehicle that way.
Maybe try putting a Wanted ad: Wanted Buick Century/Regal/Taurus, any mid size car, must be mechanically excellent but needing bodywork under $2500.
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The regal is about the same size as the S60 and a Park Avenue or Bonneville would be a little bigger. An Oldsmobile is also a good choice as they will be a bit cheaper because they are a discontinued make. Try out a LSS or an 88 maybe.
The oldsmobiles will be a bit more floaty then the Buicks and a lot more floaty then the Pontiacs but are still good cars.
Have you considered that your daughter may need additional driver training instead of another car? I know that you didn't ask for parenting advice but I'm just saying...
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I'll second that. My '95 Bonneville beast had that replaced around 58K. Other than that the 3800 engine is almost bullet proof.
jmonroe
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If I had said that I'd have been called a grumpy old man. I guess farmers can get away with that since they're used to stepping in stuff.
jmonroe
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As Mark Twain say " My dad turned stupid about the time I turned 16 and he finally came to his senses about the time I turned 25(?)"
I have a 21 1/2 year old daughter, so I am in the prime of my stupid peroid! :P
I have a 22 year old son with a similar driving record. I guess I shouldn't be the one to talk.
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In 2000 I had a '94 Rodeo with a chip just on the driver's side of center. It had been there for several years and did not bother me. I decided to get it fixed in preparation to looking at trading it in. I carry $0 deductible comprehensive with Allstate. Called them about replacement. They sent out a glass company to repair it with the drill and patch. Nope. They would not repair one in that part of the glass. I guess liability with the driver's vision. So, Allstate replaced it. It did not matter to me since it cost me the same either way.
Now, I have it's replacement, 2000 Trooper demoted to secondary duty last year when I bought a '08 Saturn Outlook. I am just carrying liability coverage on the old one an of course it has gotten 2 windshield pecks. At least they are on the far passenger side. I need to see about getting them repaired before I have to replace the whole thing due to a 'runner'.
Anyway, I would go for a GM car too. The Ford's are okay especially the Taurus/Sables right before they discontinued them the first time - like 2002 or 2003. Not bad, but not as reliable as the GM front drivers. A early century GM front driver like the Impala or a Buick Century with the 3.8 like everyone else has mentioned. That motor is almost bullet proof and gets really good mileage. They are inexpensive to insure as well. Anything GM made with that motor should do well, since they are all basically the same car with a little different body style wrapped around the drivetrain.
GM is still using that same engine (3800) in their new Buick LaCrosse aren't they?
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For my 99 Regal, I think the 3800 has really good HP (200hp)... more than enough for whenever I've needed it.
That's as much as any car NEEDS. Beyond that it's all vanity.
My 91' Olds had the same motor but only about 170 hp. It was plenty fast but with that mushy suspension I never really pushed it.
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When I bought my sporty car in 2008 its' 265hp was considered a lot. Now you can get a Taurus with 365hp. :confuse:
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One issue had a test of sproty cars, including the usual trios (camaro, challenger, mustang).
Just for reference, they reviewed some earlier tests from the 60's, and early 70's. The difference in performance was amazing.
a 383 challenger and a (327?) camaro at about 10 seconds 0-60. The boss Mustang and 340 challenger were the quicest, at 8 seconds.
THe new counterparts were all in the low 5s I think.
I get a laugh at the press, etc. that make it sound like some cars are death rides if they only do 8 seconds now (even tested the way CR does).
Heck, a Mazda 5, normally panned for being too slow, probably wil lout accelerate a full size big block sedan from the 70s.
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I wonder how CR tests acceleration anyway. They always seem a half a second slower to 60 than Edmunds, Car and Driver etc etc.
Bottom line is, most of those old muscle cars ran the qurter mile in the low to mid 14 second range, same as the new ones. And the fastest f the old ones ran high 13s, which is about the same as the new ones. Maybe the new Shelby beats that by a little.
I am writing this message to seek your opnion on a 2006 Acura certified RL I bought yesterday. As i brought the car home, I went to pick up some pizza and as I was waiting there were some people who came towards my car and started screeming to get out of the car. As I got out of the car, I saw there was fire coming from where the fog lights are and soon heavy smoke was coming out from undr the hood. Obvioulsy I don't want the car anymore and had it towed back to where I bought it. They are not open till tommorow and I am wondering about my next step. I simply want to cancel the sales and be done with it. Do I need a lawyer? thanks for time
If there is no stated warranty, you will be at the mercy of the dealership that sold the car to you.
Start reading your paperwork carefully for any warranty the 'Certified' option gives you.
As to CR, they test like "normal" people drive. Sit with the car idling, and just floor it (or come off the clutch normally). No brake torquing on an AT, no 5K rpm clutch dumps on a manual.
I was surprised by the result for the 383 also, but keep in mind, there were the regular versions of engines, and the HiPo ones. I'm sure that the challenger was a bit on the porky side, and probably had the lowest HP and an AT. That, and serius traction issues with the skinny bia ply tires!
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Depends on the state. Here in NY all cars from a dealer come with a 30 day warranty (illegal to sell "as is") so check your state law. Also if the Acura is CPO by Acura I would think that anything that would cause it to burst into flames must be covered.
Finally, I would think that any car dealer in his right mind would want to refund every penny so as to avoid the bad publicity.
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One of the first cars I drove was a '66 Dodge Polara station wagon with a 383 2 barrel. Not what I would call fast. :lemon:
The 383 in the Road Runners was a 4 barrel. Much faster.
Back then, if you wanted a car to be faster you just dumped a lot more gas into it.
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Different models with different engines had rear end ratios suited for higher mileage or for get up and spin 'em. So some motors probably were geared for cruising and were slow on acceleration.
I recall ordering a Mustang with a limited slip so it came with 3.00 rather than 2.75 rear axle. Probably was a noticeable difference in acceleration and loss in mileage.
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Some of you provided very good advice so I thought I would let you know how it went. I waited a few days and phoned the dealer back ready to make a deal at $32,000. Unfortunately the vehicle had sold.
I made a mistake on this one, but luckily there are lots of used Mercedes around these days. I have noticed that dealers currently have about $10-12,000 off leftover 09's currently but unfortunately I am located in Canada and dealers will not sell me a new vehicle. How will that affect current used prices?
For instance, one dealer which is only about a 3 hour drive from me house (I live very close to the border) has an 08 "demo" with 8,000 miles which is really a used car at this point, for sale which they can sell me. They are asking $42K (original stick was $50) but that seems a little high since a brand new 09 vehicle is marked $45K right beside it. The 08 has 14 months of warranty gone. Apparently the owner drove it. Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Thanks again!!
I guess the power steering hose can break.
let us know how this ends up.
If it has an exchange provisions then you can exchange it for another vehicle at the dealership. If there's no return clause then you're out of luck and cannot simply "cancel" it.
If it is Certified but has no exchange provisions or if the fire is caused by a mechanical issue that's under warranty then you won't be able to return or exchange it, but they should fix it for you.
If the fire was caused by something else, not mechanical then it would be an insurance issue.
You don't need a lawyer yet. Read your contract first and go from there. Only hire a lawyer if you were hurt, or if the dealer is not going according to what your certified paperwork says (not wanting to exchange it if you have that option in your contract etc.)
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Ah Ha. So the dealer did not perform (or check to see if someone else performed) a required recall repair. Wouldn't that be covered in a CPO car? If not, I can't see paying a premium for such a car.
Maybe the OP should call one of the lawyers listed on that page.
BTW, if my one day old car caught fire and the dealer told me "Sorry, you own the car" I would be at a lawyers' office that afternoon. :lemon:
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Exactly. This one has service department screw up written all over it.
Perhaps. The OP did say he was picking up a pizza. Maybe he picked it up and put it in the engine compartment instead of the trunk... ala Kramer in that Seinfeld episode. :surprise:
I really don’t understand any of this. Why can’t a dealer sell you a NEW car?
They are asking $42K (original stick was $50) but that seems a little high since a brand new 09 vehicle is marked $45K right beside it.
Are you comparing apples and oranges? What is the sticker price of the new ’09 that is “marked $45K”?
The 08 has 14 months of warranty gone. Apparently the owner drove it. Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Again, I don’t understand this. What do you mean by, “Does the new discount affect the price on this "demo"?
Others have given advice about how a warranty works for a demo but I don’t see where you asked that question.
Like someone has already said, ‘a demo is simply a used car’ but it will have a new title when it is purchased. That’s the way I viewed it when I helped my Mother buy a demo in ’89. The dealer didn’t like my reasoning but the car was purchased at a used car price. As for the warranty, she got the “remainder” of the 36K miles limit but she did get 3 years from date of purchase as far as the warranty “time” limit.
It sounds like you haven’t decided whether you want a used or a new car unless the price will determine this for you.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I don't think there is more to this story. These things do happen.