Real-World Trade-In Values

andres3

qbrozen said:

Well, thanks to google, I figured out you are in Texas. I don't, however, know how many miles the truck has nor what kind of condition it is in (accident history, maintenance needs, etc).

Given it's a 2017 model I'd give it the benefit of the doubt it doesn't have accident and maintenance issues yet.

qbrozen

could have 50k on it, for all we know. ;b
AND, it is a TRD Pro, so maybe it has been used to run back and forth across the border at high speeds off road.

rbeeman

rbeeman said:

2017 4Runner TRD Pro in super white with sliding rear cargo deck. Leather, NAV.

located in 76108. What do you think I can expect price wise. Been getting offers of 39k trade in and as high as 42,980. 

Thank you

I apologize. I thought I had listed the miles. I’m at 92xx. No issues, maintenance history is per specs. Just the fluid checks and tire rotation as of now. 

qbrozen

No worries.

So $41.5k-$42k is about the right number.
$43k is from someone who likes it and wants it for their own lot, so that is going to be about your best offer.

nyccarguy

rbeeman said:

rbeeman said:

2017 4Runner TRD Pro in super white with sliding rear cargo deck. Leather, NAV.

located in 76108. What do you think I can expect price wise. Been getting offers of 39k trade in and as high as 42,980. 

Thank you

I apologize. I thought I had listed the miles. I’m at 92xx. No issues, maintenance history is per specs. Just the fluid checks and tire rotation as of now. 

How come you are parting with it so soon?

steine13

Hooptie Time!
I should know better but I drove by my favorite used-car lot yesterday.
This caught my eye -- anyone wants to yell 'Timber!' go right ahead.

2007 Passat 4motion 3.6 V6 wagon (!)
Automatic, of course, leather, all the goodies.
Oh yeah: 208k miles

Beautiful interior, very well taken care of, probably from an OCD commuter.
Looks all orginal, frt left fender looks to have been taken off. No big deal at this age.
Three carfax mileage records but NY->Ohio->Michigan, so my money is still on one owner. Interior is simply oo clean.
Outside has the odd scratch and a couple small rust spots, bearable on the dark gray paint.

No I don't care what they go for at auction, cuz the asking price is $1,975. It's more of a matter of one of the Xe headlights is out, that's now a $2,975 car...

I think I got a hold of myself again, but if anyone has information on this particular model... the V6 seems to have better owner reviews than the turbo 4, so there's that.. it's a sweet car for dirt cheap but man am I scared...
-Mathias

steine13

Hooptie Time Vol. 2

While I'm looking at the above, I see this candidate for a cheap runabout:

2008 Honda Fit Sport
175k 5sp automatic -- when used, automatic is kind of a plus. Harder to beat on.
In a very loud blue.

No leaks, oil has been changed, interior is clean, looks like a one-owner car (1 mileage record).
Falken tires in 'meh' shape on alloys, cruise control, usual power stuff, no sun roof. Just as well at this age.
No body work, near as I can tell.

No price yet. With the heavy miles, I'm thinking anything with a $2 in front could be a seriously good deal and a car that can be sold in a heartbeat. Just have to figure out if I need it.

Now the VW would be a lot of fun but oy, the pain and suffering!
What y'all think?
All this excitement is in mid-Michgian as always.
And I don't want to hear about the NCAA tournament, thank you.

cheers -m

stickguy

well, the Fit is certainly a better option for cheap transportation. The VW, well, the best analogy might end up in a shanghai bathtub with no kidney.

Mr_Shiftright

steine13 said:

Hooptie Time!
I should know better but I drove by my favorite used-car lot yesterday.
This caught my eye -- anyone wants to yell 'Timber!' go right ahead.

2007 Passat 4motion 3.6 V6 wagon (!)
Automatic, of course, leather, all the goodies.
Oh yeah: 208k miles

Beautiful interior, very well taken care of, probably from an OCD commuter.
Looks all orginal, frt left fender looks to have been taken off. No big deal at this age.
Three carfax mileage records but NY->Ohio->Michigan, so my money is still on one owner. Interior is simply oo clean.
Outside has the odd scratch and a couple small rust spots, bearable on the dark gray paint.

No I don't care what they go for at auction, cuz the asking price is $1,975. It's more of a matter of one of the Xe headlights is out, that's now a $2,975 car...

I think I got a hold of myself again, but if anyone has information on this particular model... the V6 seems to have better owner reviews than the turbo 4, so there's that.. it's a sweet car for dirt cheap but man am I scared...
-Mathias

There's only three ways to deal with a car like this, imo:

1. Take it to Hans and Dieter and pay them to do the most thorough PPI ever executed in the history of their shop. That might cost you $300.

2. If, by some miracle, this reveals nothing major, then drive out of Hans and Dieter's, get on a freeway, and flail the stuffing out of the car for 15-20 minutes. Pull over to the side of the road and inspect for leaks and horrifying noises.

3. If it passes both H&D and the "real world" test, then play with every switch and knob you can lay your hands on--all the windows, radio, climate control, lights, etc.

If you get through 1, 2 and 3--then yeah, buy it.

explorerx4

@steine13,
The fact the that the Maize and Blue are still representing the state doesn't do it for you?

steine13

@explorerx4
Thanks for keeping it classy.
Go green!

rbeeman

nyccarguy said:

rbeeman said:

2017 4Runner TRD Pro in super white with sliding rear cargo deck. Leather, NAV.

located in 76108. What do you think I can expect price wise. Been getting offers of 39k trade in and as high as 42,980. 

Thank you

I apologize. I thought I had listed the miles. I’m at 92xx. No issues, maintenance history is per specs. Just the fluid checks and tire rotation as of now. 

How come you are parting with it so soon?

Looking to get back into a sports car. Looking at a BMW M2. Previously had an M235i

biancar

qbrozen said:

biancar said:

What would be a decent trade-in or resale value for 2005  Nissan 350Z Touring Roadster, about 35,000 miles, Redline over black leather, excellent condition.  Very low mileage as it has been mostly a summer car, errand-running winter car only when roads are clear (I'm in Virginia).  Never had a long daily commute.  I still love it but aging back and knees are telling me it might be time for something else.

Automatic?

Yes, automatic.

biancar

I'm thinking of test-driving a Volvo V60, 2017 - new but left-over, I guess - Platinum, with Convenience, Technology, Climate, BLIS, Metallic Paint.  List price was $46,280, dealer now asking $37,250.  Sound fair?  Think there is any room to go any lower since I'm automatically getting one year's depreciation by buying a 2017 in  2018?  Or is the $9,030 discount fair enough as is?  This is buying, not leasing.

qbrozen

Is this a FWD T5? 
If so, you'd be looking at maybe $28k for a CPO with 12k-15k miles. Is it worth $9k to you to be the first owner and have 15k fewer miles? Personally, I would not want to pay 60 cents a mile. Maybe, MAYBE, I'd be interested at around $33k. $34k would be the MOON just for the privelege of being the only owner.

biancar

OK, thanks.  I've been emailing a salesman back and forth today, and to my surprise found the V60 does NOT have a power liftgate!  I'm shocked.  Our 2010 V70 does, and I love it.  Such a little thing, but a huge convenience.  So now I'm considering the XC40, which does have that liftgate, and might have the cargo room I need - enough space for a dog crate and for suitcases, etc.  We rarely have 2nd row passengers, so would mostly use it with those seats down.  

Or maybe the Infiniti QX30.  I don't need a big car, just want some cargo area, and all the safety and convenience bells and whistles possible to take me through the next 10 years.

kyfdx

biancar said:

OK, thanks.  I've been emailing a salesman back and forth today, and to my surprise found the V60 does NOT have a power liftgate!  I'm shocked.  Our 2010 V70 does, and I love it.  Such a little thing, but a huge convenience.  So now I'm considering the XC40, which does have that liftgate, and might have the cargo room I need - enough space for a dog crate and for suitcases, etc.  We rarely have 2nd row passengers, so would mostly use it with those seats down.  

Or maybe the Infiniti QX30.  I don't need a big car, just want some cargo area, and all the safety and convenience bells and whistles possible to take me through the next 10 years.

XC40: 2019 model... zero incentives.

kyfdx

@steine13 I vote for the Passat, but the Fit isn't a bad consolation prize.

corvette

I've had mixed luck on the power tailgates. The Yukon had one and it worked great. The Murano, I think I didn't like the way it interfaced with the central locking, plus if I opened it manually I could keep it from hitting my garage door very hard. Also, it was slow and it beeped really loudly. I turned it off so I could just open/close it manually. It would still operate with the power feature if you hit the button on the remote. The Tahoe has a manual tailgate, and it's big and cumbersome, but I go to the gym, so I can handle it.

Mr_Shiftright

kyfdx said:

@steine13 I vote for the Passat, but the Fit isn't a bad consolation prize.

You are very brave with his money. I like that in a man.

steine13

Thankfully I didn't have time to go drive it yesterday -- store is only open 10 to 1 on Saturday.
It's not the $$ I'm worried about, at $2 the risk isn't great, and I've abandoned basket cases before... but a car like this can become a serious time sink.
I need to figure out a way to have more time for the finer things in life... like 12-year-old miled-up German cars...

Mr_Shiftright

That's the problem with cars like this--the "sink cost". You get invested and then little problems keep you invested, and you never know when to bail. Before you know it, you've put enough money into it that you could have just gone out and bought one already done up.

For instance, I bought an older pickup truck for a very decent price. I put SOME money into it but I had the discipline to draw the line---so the cracked right fog light will not be replaced, and the AC leak will not be fixed and the automatic door locks can be operated with a key and a finger, thank you very much. It's a truck and it runs great and does what a truck is supposed to do--haul stuff. I don't drive in fog, I don't need AC where I live (perhaps 5 days a year) and on a two-door vehicle, who needs automatic locking?

Same advice as always: "Buy the best car you can afford".

biancar

said:

1. OK, thanks.  I've been emailing a salesman back and forth today, and to my surprise found the V60 does NOT have a power liftgate!  I'm shocked.  Our 2010 V70 does, and I love it.  Such a little thing, but a huge convenience.  So now I'm considering the XC40, which does have that liftgate, and might have the cargo room I need - enough space for a dog crate and for suitcases, etc.  We rarely have 2nd row passengers, so would mostly use it with those seats down.  
2. Or maybe the Infiniti QX30.  I don't need a big car, just want some cargo area, and all the safety and convenience bells and whistles possible to take me through the next 10 years.

XC40: 2019 model... zero incentives.
(Not sure I'm doing this quote thing correctly...)

Incentives are always nice, but in the end I'm more concerned about getting the car right, even if it costs me a bit more.  That said, I'm now looking at things that are maybe $10,000 less, like the Forester and the more car-like Mazda CX-5.  Top of the line models for both of those seem to have everything I'm looking for.

biancar

Qbrozen, do you have any idea what would be a realistic trade-in value for my 2005 350Z Touring Roadster? Very low mileage, around 36,000, very good condition, nothing wrong with it other than my aching knees are telling me my sports car days might be over.

Michaell

biancar said:

Qbrozen, do you have any idea what would be a realistic trade-in value for my 2005 350Z Touring Roadster? Very low mileage, around 36,000, very good condition, nothing wrong with it other than my aching knees are telling me my sports car days might be over.

What color, inside and out?

Stick or automatic?

What state, specifically, is this?

biancar

Redline over black leather, automatic, just under 36,000 miles, in northern Virginia. Completely reliable, no issues at all.

biancar

Well maintained and I have all the service records, if that helps. And a notebook of every time I got a fill-up from the time I bought the car. Newish Hankook all-season tires. It went through the high-performance tires pretty quickly and since the high-performance tires are definitely not winter drivers, that accounts for the low mileage. Until I put the all-season tires on, I only drove it in winter if temps were above 45 degrees.

qbrozen

Oh, somewhere in the $6k-$7k neighborhood.

andres3

rbeeman said:

nyccarguy said:

rbeeman said:

rbeeman said:

2017 4Runner TRD Pro in super white with sliding rear cargo deck. Leather, NAV.

located in 76108. What do you think I can expect price wise. Been getting offers of 39k trade in and as high as 42,980. 

Thank you

I apologize. I thought I had listed the miles. I’m at 92xx. No issues, maintenance history is per specs. Just the fluid checks and tire rotation as of now. 

How come you are parting with it so soon?

Looking to get back into a sports car. Looking at a BMW M2. Previously had an M235i

That should be a nice upgrade. Got tired of the SUV then?

mmman2k8

Dear all,
I posted this in the Audi forum and was told this might be a good place to post. Many thanks in advance to the community.

2017 Audi A6 - Preimum Plus 2.0T Quattro- Audi Execs Car-Company Car

12,500 miles
Sticker was $57,515.00

They are down to $36,500
+$493 doc fee
$200 DMV
+$289 Prep fee

Total $37,482+ NYC tax. Any thoughts if I should be able to do better??

Sticker enclosed to show features.

I bid $36,000 including all fees but they wont budge.

qbrozen

They are only $1k over dealer auction value, so it is already a fantastic deal.

mmman2k8

Is the prep fee a BS fee? If I can manage to do $36,000+ dox fee+ dmv + tax I would pull the trigger. Do you think that's reachable? Also what does it mean to be $1000 over dealer auction value?

kyfdx

mmman2k8 said:

Is the prep fee a BS fee? If I can manage to do $36,000+ dox fee+ dmv + tax I would pull the trigger. Do you think that's reachable? Also what does it mean to be $1000 over dealer auction value?

Yes.. prep fee and doc fee are both garbage fees. If the doc fee is that high, this isn't a NY dealer, I presume?

But, if they aren't coming down $500 more to make the deal, then it is what it is.

Mr_Shiftright

That's right--it's the "total deal", and sounds like "take it or leave it".

Even with a little padding, I don't see where he's going to do much better elsewhere.

stickguy

Auction value means what they could buy the car at for wholesale. So very little profit n that deal, even with padded fees.

Mr_Shiftright

Exactly. The buyer/seller are arguing over 1.5% the value of the entire deal.

qbrozen

Ah, I was not looking at the fees. The prep fee is total BS padding, BUT, even if you add that in and say the doc fee is inflated, you are still only $1500 over auction. To give you a basis of comparison, $2500 over is what I consider fair. $2k over is a good deal. $1500 over is a great deal.

[Deleted User]

Dear Friends, Can you please let me know what you think of whether I should purchase this car at this price?

I am stationed overseas and will be stateside soon and this car is what I want ! Is it a good deal?

2017 ACURA MDX SPORT HYBRID ADVANCE
Body Style: 4 DOOR WAGON/SPORT UTILITY
Engine Size: 3.0L V6 F SOHC 24V
Drivetrain: ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Certified on 02/05/2018
Price $51,226
Mileage 3,582 mi
Location Chantilly, VA

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with those less intelligent!

qbrozen

Unfortunately, I have no comps to go on. The only hybrid to go through auction was way back in Oct. It had a few hundred miles and sold for $51k.

The NONhybrid Advance is in the $45k range, putting purchase price at about $48k. So this one you are looking at adds $3k for hibridization. I suppose that is Ok if that is your thing.

[Deleted User]

qbrozen said:

Unfortunately, I have no comps to go on. The only hybrid to go through auction was way back in Oct. It had a few hundred miles and sold for $51k.

The NONhybrid Advance is in the $45k range, putting purchase price at about $48k. So this one you are looking at adds $3k for hibridization. I suppose that is Ok if that is your thing.

Thanks, Qbrozen. I am doing this sight unseen, so I appreciate the help.

stickguy

what is sticker on a new one of those? Put in an online price request to a local dealer there, and get that as a baseline to see if used saves enough money to be worth it.

qbrozen

$55.5k per truecar in NJ.

[Deleted User]

stickguy said:

what is sticker on a new one of those? Put in an online price request to a local dealer there, and get that as a baseline to see if used saves enough money to be worth it.

Thanks, Stickguy. Dealer is selling a 2018 w/Advance package for 7k more, 59k.

[Deleted User]

qbrozen said:

$55.5k per truecar in NJ.

Thanks, Q! Is that for a 2018 Hybrid? If so, what a good price for a 2017 with low mileage be?

qbrozen

beepbeepbeep said:

$55.5k per truecar in NJ.

Thanks, Q! Is that for a 2018 Hybrid? If so, what a good price for a 2017 with low mileage be?

Yes, $55.5k for a new 2018 AWD Hybrid Advance. As I said earlier, I have no comps for a 2017 but I think what you are quoted sounds reasonable. You'd be saving $4k to get one a year older with fewer than 4k miles. I don't think that is bad. I'd prob pocket the $4k, personally, unless the 2018 has something the 2017 does not.

HOWEVER, also check on financing. A better rate on a new one may make it much closer and change my mind.

[Deleted User]

qbrozen said:

beepbeepbeep said:

$55.5k per truecar in NJ.

Thanks, Q! Is that for a 2018 Hybrid? If so, what a good price for a 2017 with low mileage be?

Yes, $55.5k for a new 2018 AWD Hybrid Advance. As I said earlier, I have no comps for a 2017 but I think what you are quoted sounds reasonable. You'd be saving $4k to get one a year older with fewer than 4k miles. I don't think that is bad. I'd prob pocket the $4k, personally, unless the 2018 has something the 2017 does not.

HOWEVER, also check on financing. A better rate on a new one may make it much closer and change my mind.

Thank you very much! Times like this restore my faith in the internet!

breld

I drove a 2018 MDX Hybrid Advance a few weeks ago while I was shopping for a new SUV. I ended up going a different way, but thought the Acura was very compelling with that Hybrid drivetrain and all the features included in the Advance trim.

Sandman6472

Q, getting my repaired Golf home this week, had to put a new rear door on and do some welding work it seems. Straightened the rear wheel out and the frame. Saw it in Thursday before it went into the paint booth and got the rear brakes repaired and rim/tire installed. Will need a four wheel alignment before they finish it. Again told me it’ll be perfect.
My question is how will this affect the trade in value and how much of a diminished value claim might I have to fight for??? I know it won’t be worth what it was right before I was hit. But wondering how much so I know how to proceed from here?
Thanks and I have the vin number if we need to do a before and after analysis.

The Sandman

qbrozen

I have no idea. You should shop it around after you get it back.

corvette

With an issue like that, it seems like dealers will give a much better price if they are really motivated to move a unit off their lot, versus a “CarMax” type deal where you are asking for a check in exchange for your car without buying one of theirs. Sometimes they will really step up if they think the are going to make a sale.