And, i have a GEN 3 (SH) Forester. Those ARE pretty cars. Best-looking design Subaru has ever produced, bar none.
Funny enough, every generation of Outback has been kinder on the eyes than Gen 4 (2010-2014), with Gen 2 (2000-04) being arguable. But, for $6K, who cares. It's all about the function at that point.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
Thanks!
That is a crazy amount of variation, even for a ten year old car. These are common, I see them everywhere, and I'd think they'd be a commodity.
I wonder if it's part of a correction in used car prices, which I believe is overdue.
At any rate, 6k for this car is a good price, if it's as nice as promised.
There is a $4k spread on these. More than 100% variation. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
————————————————- I hate to admit my ignorance but what are the numbers 4.1, 4.2, 3.5 etc. that are shown in the listing? If these are condition ratings on a scale of 1 to 5, the guy in North Carolina with a 2.1 rating, which is the lowest rated car, wanting $6.6 K has to be a dreamer when the first car listed has a 4.1 rating and that guy only wants $5.6K for his car.
If by chance I’m right about these numbers being condition ratings, the old car adage of, “if you don’t ask, you don’t get” is in play here.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Reminds me of Terry... there's your asking price... your 'liking' price... and then your ' getting' price. But asking doesn't enter into these numbers.
Them's completed auction prices -- it done been paid. Then the auction fee gets paid -- used to be in the $250 range, 15 years ago. Then maybe an in$pection get$ done and paid for. Then the tran$port. So depending on this and that, the dealers who buy these will have another $500 and more in them than the numbers shown here. So $6 for our white one, if it's as nice as claimed, is quite the deal.
The Subaru/Hyundai dealership where these get traded is, how to say, run efficiently. If they can steal a trade, they do it. This is loathsome, but it helps on my end...
As far as the numbers, they kinda have to be condition/5.. if you scroll back some years, you'd see average/below/clean or some such categories.
That is a crazy amount of variation, even for a ten year old car. These are common, I see them everywhere, and I'd think they'd be a commodity.
I wonder if it's part of a correction in used car prices, which I believe is overdue.
At any rate, 6k for this car is a good price, if it's as nice as promised.
Just as an aside, my company found that buying Subies in NJ where they are not as popular and then transferring them to VT where they are insanely popular was good for the bottom line.
If they are a hot item in MI you might save some $$$$ if you look in another state.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
It runs hot and cold, sometimes he's too expensive, but good deals happen, and thank goodness it's all shoe leather...he rarely posts on FB marketplace, and never anywhere else.
When I see a car on FB that looks like a good deal, it's usually gone in hours. The cheap end of the market has been rough for years now.
One of my kids went on a trip with my wife and left their 2013 Escape here. I've been cleaning it up and it's looking pretty good. It's pretty much had dealer service every 5K since new. Some ad's popped up on my computer and I was surprised by the asking prices. It's a totally loaded Titanium model and Carmax wants 13.5K to 14.5K with similar mileage.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
Is their a strict rulebook on how the condition ratings are assessed? Are paint blemishes heavily weighed, or are they looking more at cigarette burn marks in the interior.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
I just popped in and noticed the block letters above.
Sorry about my 'expensive to be poor' shouting -- it was meant to be a hashtag. I do stand by the message.
A 12-year-old Ford Escape for $14? The only way anyone would do that sober is if it's packaged as a "monthly payment of $xxx" but then we're making payments until the Escape is old enough to drink.
A new Civic hatch, which has the same functionality, can still be had for $30 OTD. I'll take the first 13 years to pay off the first half of that amount, and then I'll be in the same situation
I just popped in and noticed the block letters above.
Sorry about my 'expensive to be poor' shouting -- it was meant to be a hashtag. I do stand by the message.
A 12-year-old Ford Escape for $14? The only way anyone would do that sober is if it's packaged as a "monthly payment of $xxx" but then we're making payments until the Escape is old enough to drink.
A new Civic hatch, which has the same functionality, can still be had for $30 OTD. I'll take the first 13 years to pay off the first half of that amount, and then I'll be in the same situation
cheers -mathias
Two years ago my son’s 2010 Fusion was going for $14-16k with low mileage. General retail ask today with similar mileage is still about what we paid in 2020. I guess Carmax hasn’t gotten the message that the pandemic is over.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I'm very happy with how this still looks after close to 12 years. Hasn't been waxed in over 8 or more years. I did hand wash it today after taking it to car wash last week. Plan on waxing it tomorrow.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
@Michaell said:
Condition? Color (inside and out)? Any runs, hits, or errors?
It’s clean. No dents or dings and I’m meticulous about the paint and interior. No errors or mechanical issues thankfully. Exterior is onyx black and interior is the AT4 two-tone black leather with brown accents. Does have aftermarket wheels.
I assumed that, but then GMC's 2022 AT4 website appears to give specs for Yukons in general (which includes 2WD and diesel models), so they got me properly confused.
@corvette said:
I assumed that, but then GMC's 2022 AT4 website appears to give specs for Yukons in general (which includes 2WD and diesel models), so they got me properly confused.
I saw that too. The build sites are a little wonky on this one.
@qbrozen said:
Low $60k range. Like 61, maybe 62 on a push.
Have you tried getting any online bids from the usual suspects?
Thank you - I usually come here first then hit up the websites. Always appreciate the help here.
Tough part this time is I think I need to trade at the same dealer to get the sales tax offset but I’ll still use the numbers and see what I can work out.
I assumed that, but then GMC's 2022 AT4 website appears to give specs for Yukons in general (which includes 2WD and diesel models), so they got me properly confused.
I saw that too. The build sites are a little wonky on this one.
Have you tried getting any online bids from the usual suspects?
Thank you - I usually come here first then hit up the websites. Always appreciate the help here.
Tough part this time is I think I need to trade at the same dealer to get the sales tax offset but I’ll still use the numbers and see what I can work out.
————————————————- Maybe Florida is different but in PA you don’t have to buy at the same dealer to get the tax credit on a trade in.
Let us know what you buy and good luck.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
@qbrozen said:
Tough one. Not many to compare to and the few I see are split between $82k and $86k. Let me know what offers you get. I’d expect $80k-$84k.
May I ask: I'll soon negotiate a lease on a new 2025 Honda Accord Touring Hybrid in Massachusetts. This will be a 3 year/30,000 mile lease from Honda Financial Services. I will offer my Honda dealer as trade-in my 2021 Honda Accord Touring Hybrid with just over 21,000 miles. The car has some wheel rash, but aside from that it's in excellent condition. Never been in an accident, nothing aftermarket added. What do think my Honda dealer might offer as trade-in value? Thanks for your advice.
@qbrozen said:
Tough one. Not many to compare to and the few I see are split between $82k and $86k. Let me know what offers you get. I’d expect $80k-$84k.
Absolutely will do, thank you for your help
After “shopping” around, most I got was 79k and I accepted that offer.
@qbrozen said:
Tough one. Not many to compare to and the few I see are split between $82k and $86k. Let me know what offers you get. I’d expect $80k-$84k.
Absolutely will do, thank you for your help
After “shopping” around, most I got was 79k and I accepted that offer.
Was that trade or just outright purchase?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Had a long conversation with my best friend in CA tonight, and need to get some pricing ideas for a couple of used cars.
Back story - his aunt and uncle have moved to our hometown from greater LA, and are in the process of buying a new car (2025 Lexus NX350h, specifically). They intend to sell both of their existing cars - one is a 2012 RAV4, which my friend is planning to buy from them.
He, in turn, will be selling his 2004 Infiniti G35.
I have some details for the Toyota and the Infiniti:
RAV4 - we think it's a Limited V6, and it has about 75,000 miles on it. Green on the outside, and likely some shade of tan (leather) on the inside. His aunt has been pretty meticulous with the maintenance, so I don't expect it has any significant mechanical issues. One small scrape by a front fog light. KBB hit it at around $10K private party.
G35 - Base RWD; blue on the outside, and either tan or grey leather on the inside. It, too, has about 75,000 miles on it (!) - my friend has been driving his folks' 2008 RAV4 predominantly the last few years. Pretty good shape mechanically (he said it needs an oil change), but the paint has started to fade/wear from living outside all these years. KBB says around $5500 private party.
What say you? I thought he could advertise the G35 at $6495 or $6995 and take any offer that begins with a 6. $10K seems about right for a RAV4 of that vintage.
Is the RAV fwd? Because that would make sense. Although $10k is closer to retail. $9k-$9500 PP is more accurate. If it is AWD, kbb is quite low. That would be at least $13k private party.
How many doors and which transmission on the G?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Is the RAV fwd? Because that would make sense. Although $10k is closer to retail. $9k-$9500 PP is more accurate. If it is AWD, kbb is quite low. That would be at least $13k private party.
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Please don’t try to prove that.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Funny enough, every generation of Outback has been kinder on the eyes than Gen 4 (2010-2014), with Gen 2 (2000-04) being arguable. But, for $6K, who cares. It's all about the function at that point.
There is a $4k spread on these. More than 100% variation. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Thanks!
That is a crazy amount of variation, even for a ten year old car. These are common, I see them everywhere, and I'd think they'd be a commodity.
I wonder if it's part of a correction in used car prices, which I believe is overdue.
At any rate, 6k for this car is a good price, if it's as nice as promised.
I hate to admit my ignorance but what are the numbers 4.1, 4.2, 3.5 etc. that are shown in the listing? If these are condition ratings on a scale of 1 to 5, the guy in North Carolina with a 2.1 rating, which is the lowest rated car, wanting $6.6 K has to be a dreamer when the first car listed has a 4.1 rating and that guy only wants $5.6K for his car.
If by chance I’m right about these numbers being condition ratings, the old car adage of, “if you don’t ask, you don’t get” is in play here.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Reminds me of Terry... there's your asking price... your 'liking' price... and then your ' getting' price.
But asking doesn't enter into these numbers.
Them's completed auction prices -- it done been paid.
Then the auction fee gets paid -- used to be in the $250 range, 15 years ago.
Then maybe an in$pection get$ done and paid for.
Then the tran$port.
So depending on this and that, the dealers who buy these will have another $500 and more in them than the numbers shown here. So $6 for our white one, if it's as nice as claimed, is quite the deal.
The Subaru/Hyundai dealership where these get traded is, how to say, run efficiently.
If they can steal a trade, they do it.
This is loathsome, but it helps on my end...
As far as the numbers, they kinda have to be condition/5.. if you scroll back some years, you'd see average/below/clean or some such categories.
cheers -mathias
Yup. The numbers are condition.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The Outback sold before I could get there with my physicist customer...or is that 'client?'
He's repatriating after working in Europe for someyears.
So much learning going on
Next time he'll jump, I hope.
cheers -mathias
..and six wasn't 'reasonable' in this market, it was a deal for a maintained car.
I think we're correcting towards the mean though.
If they are a hot item in MI you might save some $$$$ if you look in another state.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
@xwesx
Bingo.
It runs hot and cold, sometimes he's too expensive, but good deals happen, and thank goodness it's all shoe leather...he rarely posts on FB marketplace, and never anywhere else.
When I see a car on FB that looks like a good deal, it's usually gone in hours. The cheap end of the market has been rough for years now.
expensivetobepoor
cheers -mathias
I've been cleaning it up and it's looking pretty good.
It's pretty much had dealer service every 5K since new.
Some ad's popped up on my computer and I was surprised by the asking prices.
It's a totally loaded Titanium model and Carmax wants 13.5K to 14.5K with similar mileage.
I would do that to my daughter.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Not that I have been told.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Sorry about my 'expensive to be poor' shouting -- it was meant to be a hashtag. I do stand by the message.
A 12-year-old Ford Escape for $14? The only way anyone would do that sober is if it's packaged as a "monthly payment of $xxx" but then we're making payments until the Escape is old enough to drink.
A new Civic hatch, which has the same functionality, can still be had for $30 OTD. I'll take the first 13 years to pay off the first half of that amount, and then I'll be in the same situation
cheers -mathias
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Hasn't been waxed in over 8 or more years.
I did hand wash it today after taking it to car wash last week.
Plan on waxing it tomorrow.
Hello - can you help me with a trade value?
2022 GMC Yukon AT4 in Onyx Black
25,500 miles
6.2 V8
Premium Package
Technology Package
Zip 34715
Thank you
Sorry, AT4 only came in 4WD
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It’s clean. No dents or dings and I’m meticulous about the paint and interior. No errors or mechanical issues thankfully. Exterior is onyx black and interior is the AT4 two-tone black leather with brown accents. Does have aftermarket wheels.
All words and no pics- here ya go
Low $60k range. Like 61, maybe 62 on a push.
Have you tried getting any online bids from the usual suspects?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I saw that too. The build sites are a little wonky on this one.
Thank you - I usually come here first then hit up the websites. Always appreciate the help here.
Tough part this time is I think I need to trade at the same dealer to get the sales tax offset but I’ll still use the numbers and see what I can work out.
I saw that too. The build sites are a little wonky on this one.
Thank you - I usually come here first then hit up the websites. Always appreciate the help here.
Tough part this time is I think I need to trade at the same dealer to get the sales tax offset but I’ll still use the numbers and see what I can work out.
————————————————-Maybe Florida is different but in PA you don’t have to buy at the same dealer to get the tax credit on a trade in.
Let us know what you buy and good luck.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Hey guys - finally getting back into my search for a new truck. Can you help me with an updated value for this?
2022 GMC Yukon AT4
4WD
6.2 V8
Onyx Black
31,000 miles
Premium Package
Technology Package
Zip 34715
If showroom condition and clean history, you could be looking at near $60k. If it has needs, start deducting.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Looking for trade in value for a 2023 Honda Ridgeline Black Edition
Grey
15,500 miles
Zip 29588
Thank you.
$33k’ish, as long as no hits, runs, or errors and maintenance up to date.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Hi,
Any ideas on a trade in value?
2024 BMW M3 Comp XDrive
4,300 miles
Perfect condition
TIA
Color (inside/outside)?
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
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Portimao blue exterior
Fiona red interior
Tough one. Not many to compare to and the few I see are split between $82k and $86k. Let me know what offers you get. I’d expect $80k-$84k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Absolutely will do, thank you for your help
My guess is about $25k. Very few comps to go on, but that seems to be a safe bet.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
After “shopping” around, most I got was 79k and I accepted that offer.
Was that trade or just outright purchase?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Back story - his aunt and uncle have moved to our hometown from greater LA, and are in the process of buying a new car (2025 Lexus NX350h, specifically). They intend to sell both of their existing cars - one is a 2012 RAV4, which my friend is planning to buy from them.
He, in turn, will be selling his 2004 Infiniti G35.
I have some details for the Toyota and the Infiniti:
RAV4 - we think it's a Limited V6, and it has about 75,000 miles on it. Green on the outside, and likely some shade of tan (leather) on the inside. His aunt has been pretty meticulous with the maintenance, so I don't expect it has any significant mechanical issues. One small scrape by a front fog light. KBB hit it at around $10K private party.
G35 - Base RWD; blue on the outside, and either tan or grey leather on the inside. It, too, has about 75,000 miles on it (!) - my friend has been driving his folks' 2008 RAV4 predominantly the last few years. Pretty good shape mechanically (he said it needs an oil change), but the paint has started to fade/wear from living outside all these years. KBB says around $5500 private party.
What say you? I thought he could advertise the G35 at $6495 or $6995 and take any offer that begins with a 6. $10K seems about right for a RAV4 of that vintage.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Is the RAV fwd? Because that would make sense. Although $10k is closer to retail. $9k-$9500 PP is more accurate. If it is AWD, kbb is quite low. That would be at least $13k private party.
How many doors and which transmission on the G?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
4 doors and automatic for the G.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
G is maybe $2500 tops as a trade. Of course, given its age, it will come down to condition. $5k would be a score for the seller, though.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S