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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,441
    edited October 2016
    I think all TT are S-Line, like the A3 TDI,

    Premium, Premium Plus or Prestige should be the trim differences

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,927
    rayainsw said:

    On behalf of a co-worker - angst over some electrical issues.
    Trade Price, please:
    2014 Audi TT S-line
    White over Black.
    14,000 miles.
    New Michelins.
    Atlanta, GA.
    Thanks!
    - Ray
    Not quite ready to trade in the Charger ....

    That Audi is still under the 4 year 50K warranty. Angst?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    I will make no effort to explain his behavior...
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,818
    rayainsw said:

    I will make no effort to explain his behavior...

    I can kind of understand it. If he feels it isn't reliable anymore, no amount of warranty is going to change that.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,320
    rayainsw said:

    I will make no effort to explain his behavior...

    Often it's just a pseudo-justification because the owner just wants something new. Like the idjits who trade in their old car and add or increase a monthly payment by several hundred dollars so they can buy a car that "saves gas."


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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,721
    edited October 2016
    @Marcothecarguy1986
    My pic is from the movie Bullitt. It's when the guy in the black Charger first sees Steve McQueen has come over the hill and become the chaser instead of being chased.
    I like the pic because the Mustang is seen in the rear view mirror of the Charger, but everything else is what is seen through the windshield.
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  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
    edited October 2016
    @explorerx4 Thanks for the description of the pick nice! Have an good upcoming weekand!
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    edited October 2016
    @qbrozen:

    No hurry on these.. they are hypothetical cars, not real ones.
    I have a chance to hitch a ride down south next month -- and a ride back a few days later, if needed -- and I'm contemplating a little car-buying adventure in a rust-free area. Let's say Atlanta. Or Nashville.

    I'm not looking for pristine, just for a nice keeper that won't rust out its brake lines after 12 years of life, like a lot of them do here.

    My two favorite candidates:

    2009 Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan both engines/transmissions
    2006 Dodge Caravan/Chrysler T&C [short wheelbase]
    2009 Dodge Grand Caravan/Chrysler T&C [new body style; proven drivetrain]

    Up here in Michigan, the Fords appear to be good value and fairly rust-proof.
    So for a long-term beater car, that might be it.

    OTOH, I can't seem to find any worthwhile minivans. Either beat all to heck and dirty [most of them], or $5k for ten-year-old example with 150k miles. At which point a new one for a little over $20 becomes a better value.

    Thanks in advance, as always!

    @All: A philosophical question: Where in the rust-free states is the best place to go buy a car? The southwest, where everybody drives 100 miles for coffee? The east cost, with shorter miles and more stop-and-go? Florida, with its endless supply of 30k miles terminal Town Cars?
    Are prices higher/lower anywhere in particular?

    If I knew what I wanted and where to go, a round-trip plane ticket could be a great investment.
    I'd appreciate your thoughts.

    cheers -mathias
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    Central NC or upper SC. Inland enough to be away from the ocean, not that crowded, and not a salt area. Atlanta weather is fine but traffic sucks if that bothers you. Alabama is getting hot.

    So Nashville could be fine, but I would WAG the Charlotte-Atlanta corridor. My daughter is by Greensboro NC and I don't recall seeing much in the way of rust there, and they don't have the brutal sun wear like in Fla.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    steine13 said:



    My two favorite candidates:

    2009 Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan both engines/transmissions
    2006 Dodge Caravan/Chrysler T&C [short wheelbase]
    2009 Dodge Grand Caravan/Chrysler T&C [new body style; proven drivetrain]

    These are all auction numbers:

    '09 Fusion AWD v6 SE with ~100k miles is about $5k.
    FWD 4-cyl SE is right about the same, maybe a few hundred more.
    FWD 6-cyl SE is actually the cheapest at about $4k-$4500.
    Milan Premier AWD V6 is about $4k.
    FWD 4-cyl or 6-cyl Premier is $5k.

    '06 T&C at about $1500-$2k with 100k-120k.
    DGC V6 SXT is $1k-$1500.

    '09 T&C LX is $4500-$5k with 75k-100k. Touring adds about $2k.
    No DGCs have gone through.
    '09 Routan SEL 4.0 is ~$5k on average.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited October 2016
    Central NC or upper SC. Inland enough to be away from the ocean, not that crowded, and not a salt area. Atlanta weather is fine but traffic sucks if that bothers you. Alabama is getting hot.

    So Nashville could be fine, but I would WAG the Charlotte-Atlanta corridor. My daughter is by Greensboro NC and I don't recall seeing much in the way of rust there, and they don't have the brutal sun wear like in Fla.

    I have been to Atlanta. I flew out with my boss from Tucson in Oct. 2008 to attend some medical training there we needed to better serve our hospital in Willcox, AZ. Wow - Atlanta's traffic is silly-busy and we had to walk around downtown with our luggage late at night. We stayed at a Hilton Park Inn or something of that nature, but, being out-of-towners, we chose the wrong Park Hilton. We looked for the subway train we just got off of that we hopped on at the airport to get downtown, and couldn't find it. We were stuck temporarily on foot in downtown ATL! Man, I've never been hit up for money like that before anywhere, any time.

    Funny thing is is that I read about it on the net before-hand that ATL had a nasty beggar problem going on. Apparently The City of Atlanta decided to try installing little "beggar handout" stands on city streets. No kidding - they're little grab stands where the city was going to dispense change for beggars so they'd leave people alone more downtown. I mean, Atlanta has Olympic Park, CNN Headquarters, Coca-Cola Heaquarters and one of the best aquariums I've ever seen anywhere - the Georgia Aquarium. Fantastic Titanic Exhibit there. I went to it even though I'd already been to one at The Seattle Center a few years earlier. Loved it again! The Hartfield-Jackson Airport in Atlanta is one of the busiest in the nation. We eventually found our correct Hilton and travel was done accurately the rest of the week. If Charlotte, NC, is indeed further east than Atlanta is east, then Charlotte is the farthest location eastward in the U.S. that I've ever been.

    I recall seeing a brand new Kia Borrego in H-J Airport - ah, large Kia SUV, not sure if I'm recalling the name right there - but the SUV looked fit as a fiddle ta me. Atlanta - busy, busy, busy traffic city.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Q -- got a friend with a disabled child. Some monkey making an illegal u-turn totaled their transport van (with child not in it thankfully) and they want another 2008-2009 Honda Odyssey (because of the special seat arrangement that the newer ones don't have). What might they expect to pay for one, preferably under 100K miles? I was guessing around $10K--$12K dealer retail.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    What trim?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Doesn't matter to the buyer, but the one they lost was an EX-L.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    Well, your guess was pretty much spot on. $10k for an 08 with 90-100k and $11k-$12k for an 09 with just under 100k.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Thanks---I'll relay that info! I was thinking of advising them to take the amazingly generous settlement, and then buy the van back from the insurance company, and fix it (for far less than the $ they got), but once I learned it had 212,000 miles on it, I changed my mind. Putting $8500 into it didn't seem worth it.
  • jkipsterjkipster Member Posts: 272
    Please advise what would have been the auction value for a 2016 BMW 535i xDrive in Dark Graphite/black with 9400 miles on it. It has premium, driver assistance, cold weather, luxury line/seating, and soft close doors. Thanks. 
    2001 Passat
    2010 G37S Sedan
    2013 G37xS Sedan
    2014 QX60
    2015 Q40
    2016 QX60
    2016 E350 Sedan
    2017 QX60
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    Around $55k

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jkipsterjkipster Member Posts: 272
    qbrozen said:
    Around $55k
    Thank you.

    Can you estimate the value of an 2016 MB E350 Rwd in silver/black that has Premium 1, driver assist, keyless go, comfort box, parktronic, & 18" wheels? It has 5,100 miles on it. TIA
    2001 Passat
    2010 G37S Sedan
    2013 G37xS Sedan
    2014 QX60
    2015 Q40
    2016 QX60
    2016 E350 Sedan
    2017 QX60
    2019 E450 Wagon
    2021 Sienna XSE AWD
    2022 Lexus RX350
    2022 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited
    2023 Nissan Pathfinder Platinum 4WD
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    About 38 at the block, so figure 41 fair retail straight up or 43 or so CPO.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    A friend of mine asked how much she should offer for this one?

    sewellcadillac-houston.com/VehicleDetails/certified-2015-Cadillac-CTS_Sedan-3.6L_Twin_Turbo_V6_RWD_Vsport-Houston-TX/2846883853

    Certified 2015 Cadillac CTS vsport
    black over black
    15.5k miles
    Houston

    And yes, I do realize the irony of asking @qbrozen about a vsport!
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,818
    IIRC, Q got something like 32 on trade for his - a little this, that, and the certification probably puts it right around 36-37. Am I close, Q?
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    Mine was a '14, but not a big difference. Auction value is about $34k. I don't believe Caddy's CPO program is a very good one, so I'd probably allow maybe $1k at most for it. Having said that, price is still not bad. I'd push for $37k, personally. Maybe start them at $36k and see where it goes.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jkipsterjkipster Member Posts: 272
    qbrozen said:

    About 38 at the block, so figure 41 fair retail straight up or 43 or so CPO.

    Wow, the MSRP was almost $64K and it's dropped to $43K with a year as a demo and 5k miles on it?
    2001 Passat
    2010 G37S Sedan
    2013 G37xS Sedan
    2014 QX60
    2015 Q40
    2016 QX60
    2016 E350 Sedan
    2017 QX60
    2019 E450 Wagon
    2021 Sienna XSE AWD
    2022 Lexus RX350
    2022 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,818
    jkipster said:

    qbrozen said:

    About 38 at the block, so figure 41 fair retail straight up or 43 or so CPO.

    Wow, the MSRP was almost $64K and it's dropped to $43K with a year as a demo and 5k miles on it?
    Now THAT is the luxury brand depreciation that I know and love...
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    jkipster said:

    qbrozen said:

    About 38 at the block, so figure 41 fair retail straight up or 43 or so CPO.

    Wow, the MSRP was almost $64K and it's dropped to $43K with a year as a demo and 5k miles on it?
    MSRP on that Caddy was a hair over $60k. Gotta pay to play. :)

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,927
    With that kind of depreciation perhaps a law should be passed that a dealership must disclose the amount of days (even hours) on the lot a new vehicle has been sitting. :smile:
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    I always look at the data plate on the doorjamb since that has the month/year of manufacture. Easy to find the stale merchandise that way.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,100
    Question for a friend, who is visiting her dad in Phoenix.

    2006 Escalade, red / tan. 4x4. Pretty well loaded. 28,000 miles (!). Excellent condition and good tires.

    They want to get a Toyota Sienna, but want to know what the 'Lade is worth in trade.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    There are no comps, of course. Closest is 83k miles for $12k. Soo...I dunno...$14k-$15k?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    Perhaps testing the 3.0 TDI waters...

    Any idea of the value of a 2014 Audi Q5 3.0 TDI premium plus, 23.5K miles, white with black sport interior guts. Has MMI navigation plus pkg, panoramic sunroof and B&O sound system. Car is in WV, I'm in IN and willing to travel.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,100
    qbrozen said:

    There are no comps, of course. Closest is 83k miles for $12k. Soo...I dunno...$14k-$15k?

    Thanks - I've passed that along, and also suggested they hit up a Carmax to see what they have to say.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    $34k at auction. Figure $36-$37k.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,678
    What is reasonable retail on this one? 2013 Audi Q7 TDI Premium Plus; blue over saddle brown, pano roof, navigation, towing. Probably the standard stuff for Premium Plus. 69,000 miles in Eau Claire, WI.

    Their price doesn't seem super-high to me. KBB is pointing at about a grand less; I was thinking about $29-30K.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    Thanks
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    Have the 3.0 TDI vehicle values dropped since the no sale?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    xwesx said:
    What is reasonable retail on this one? 2013 Audi Q7 TDI Premium Plus; blue over saddle brown, pano roof, navigation, towing. Probably the standard stuff for Premium Plus. 69,000 miles in Eau Claire, WI. Their price doesn't seem super-high to me. KBB is pointing at about a grand less; I was thinking about $29-30K.
    Link not working for me. Couple of recent ones with similar miles both sold for $29k

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    mjfloyd1 said:
    Have the 3.0 TDI vehicle values dropped since the no sale?
    I can't look that far back

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,678
    edited October 2016
    qbrozen said:


    Link not working for me. Couple of recent ones with similar miles both sold for $29k

    Sold at auction for $29K. Ack, I'm clearly quite optimistic on this. LOL

    Link works for me - it was a link to AutoTrader ad. The history report says it was a lease and sold at a Midwest Region auction on 9/26 with 68,857 miles on it. An awful lot of miles for a lease!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    If it is blue, it sold in Milwaukee for $29k on the nose.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=99775&showcaseListingId=0&trim1=Q7|TDI+Prestige&mmt=[AUDI[Q7[Q7%7CTDI+Premium+Plus^Q7%7CTDI+Prestige]][]]&vehicleStyleCodes=AWD4WD&modelCode1=Q7&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&startYear=2013&makeCode1=AUDI&showcaseOwnerId=0&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=0&extColorsSimple=BLUE&listingId=441158748&Log=0

    That's the one
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,441
    mjfloyd1 said:

    Have the 3.0 TDI vehicle values dropped since the no sale?

    I don't have the stats, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,678
    Thanks, Q!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • jkipsterjkipster Member Posts: 272
    Q, thanks for your help so far. Got another one for you:

    2016 BMW 535i Sedan RWD Black/Mocha with 11,650 miles in the east coast auction. Has premium/driver assist/luxury/cold weather pkgs. MSRP ~$64K.
    2001 Passat
    2010 G37S Sedan
    2013 G37xS Sedan
    2014 QX60
    2015 Q40
    2016 QX60
    2016 E350 Sedan
    2017 QX60
    2019 E450 Wagon
    2021 Sienna XSE AWD
    2022 Lexus RX350
    2022 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited
    2023 Nissan Pathfinder Platinum 4WD
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    I don't show any base models with those miles. Closest was in NJ with 8k miles for $47.5k. I even checked Luxury models, but no dice.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,678
    Argh. That Q7 is gone; not surprising, honestly. I kept trying to suggest that this was a reasonable prospect, but my wife decided she was good to go on our car. Alternatively, she wanted me to go for something cheaper and well-used, but I told her she already owns that car. Hahaha!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2016
    Q ............................... Dealers willing to sell for 69.5k thoughts. 2017 Q7 prestige

    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/681676408/overview/

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,735
    good deal... great deal... if it all checks out and has never had anything bad happen to it. Most with under 10k miles are $68.5-$70k at auction.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    My original offer was 68k buy today!!!!! but MGR said No. Going to leave them with a final offer see where it goes then wait ............. Tks again .


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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,818
    Q,

    Can you give me ballpark wholesale and retail values for a 2010 Porsche Cayenne GTS, Automatic, with 94k miles? Black over black, Philly area? Looks to be pretty well loaded (park assist, Nav, Xenons, etc.).

    My Dad is about to make a potentially bad decision...
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