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Audi S4 and S4 Cabriolet

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  • trichmond--check out the auto site at aol and you will find info on how to price out a lease.with this info the dealer cannot play any hanky panky with you on the numbers. he does not determine the residule value. it is factory set.(in % based on years and milage) i just took a 2 year lease on the fully equipped s4. i paid sales tax and all fees up front(not a down payment) so the lease was based on just the net numbers with no extras. my payment is $793.00 per month based on a sale price $1000.00 off the man. list. (i can't remember the exact figure). a 3 year lease was about $643.00. my figures using the aol formula came within a few dollars of the dealers computer. good luck, richard w.
  • I recently purchased an S4 in Germany and love the overall performance. I may not by an auto-techno-nerd, but I know how this car performs. I found it interesting while reading through all the letters that the chip upgrades did not mention the end result. I've talked with the folks at the AUDI dealership over here and they said ABT in California can do an upgrade with only a chip, boosting hp to 310. On that note a friend who test drove an S4 in Germany ran against a M3 and took him on the autobahn. Obviously, with the "chip" the S4 can handle most cars on the autobahn. I talked with a gentleman living here who "chipped" his 98 A6. He has since pushed his car past the 160mph mark. I believe I can go beyond the 170mph with the chip. At the moment I'm waiting on info coming back from ABT in CA. The cost to upgrade an A6 was $450-500. Not sure if this price is consistent with the S4. Also, no mention of the S6, which is essentially the same engine, and only comes in the avant(wagon) body style. The tires on the S4 are "Y" rated at 186mph, plenty even after the upgrade. As an American living and working in Germany, I paid no tax on the car, and got out the door for 39,600. Only two things I did not get were the NAV system and the mobile phone, (I'm not that important). Now that I've said my piece, I have a question concerning fuel.
    My owners manual reads the lowest RON rated fuel I should use is 95. This is equivalent to super. In Germany the pumps use ROZ ratings. The ROZ rating on the super pump is 95. I'm only assuming RON = ROZ. Am I correct? Also I've been told that 3-4 years ago the Germans went to a super plus fuel. This fuel has special additives to accommodate cars with no catalytic converters. The super plus has a ROZ/RON of 98. If I use the 95 will I have less performance. I guess this is an issue of performance and octane, and if it matters what I use. The difference in price: $3.90 more per 100lts from super to super-plus. One final note: November issue of Playboy reviewed the SVT Mustang and rated a 5.3 0-60. With the chip the S4 rates a 5.0 0-62mph, quoted by ABT. Thought that was impressive.
  • jwolffjwolff Posts: 19
    Did you purchase a US spec S4? I am an Army doc and hopefully may be stationed at Landstuhl around 2001. I have heard that BMW gives better pricing for active duty, so a new M3 would be high on my list. How was dealing with AUDI AG and if US spec will they honor the US warrenty/maintance? How long did you have to wait for your S4?

    Currently have an A4 2.8 quattro and love the car. Drove the S4 and wow. Only major complaints were short 1st gear ,long throws, and a little too much body role. Great car for around 40k.
  • My S4 is a US spec and I purchased it through military car sales in Heidelberg, better known as Auto Exchange. The car I own was supposed to hit their largest showroom as a demo to solicit orders for next year. I caught wind of this and held the car with a deposit. AUDI will honor the warranty, however, if you purchase the S4 in the states I've heard the coverage lasts longer. Extended coverage is an option. The first gear and long throws issues will fade quickly when you get behind the wheel on a permanent basis, trust me. People also need to remember when comparing the S4 to the M3 that the M3 is primarily a sports car, while the S4 is a sports/luxury sedan. Huge difference, unless your concerned only with speed.
  • RON is ROZ. Research Octane Number becomes "Research OktanZahl" or something like that in German, hence ROZ. However, 95 RON unleaded in Europe is 91 (R+M)/2 in the US. 98 RON probably would be equal to US 93.

    The S4 (I have the same engine in my A6 2.7T) is tuned for 91 (RON+MON)/2 US or 95 RON, no matter what country you buy it in. Using 98 RON (or 93 here in the US) won't do anything extra for you.

    The manual states for high performance, use 95 RON/91 AKI (R+M/2) or higher. It also states the car run on down to 91 RON/87 AKI without damage.

    I presume this means the reduced grades you get at high altitudes (Denver), like 85 R+M/2 regular, 87 mid and 90 premium are okay as long as you stay at high altitudes?

    The additives for non-catalytic cars don't do anything, the science behind them was bad it turns out. Here in California they are removing the additives.

    The initial excitement on these additives (oxygenation) was generated by a study in Seattle (Washington, US) where they switched to oxygenated gas and it lowered smog 30% one winter. That summer many states (California) started requiring oxygenated gas in winter. Problem is the next winter when Seattle used the oxygenated gas again the smog was back up, and in fact significantly higher than it had been before they switched to oxygenated gas. So, the additives are unproven and falling out of favor.
  • The Subaru B4 is single turbo I believe, and definitely a 4 cylinder boxer engine. Really rips though.

    The Mitsu 3000GT (or GTO outside US) is a twin turbo V6. Frankly, the AWD system on the GTO is lousy, it loses traction when you lose just one wheel, unlike Audi's system. Frankly, the whole car is lousy, it has survived almost unmodified since 1988, it's just plain out of date. I don't know why they haven't cancelled it. Also, it is very heavy and handles poorly. Still, the S4 isn't exactly light.
  • This is in response to someone's previous erronious statement that an S6 and an S4 share the same engine. The S6 due to arrive in late 2000/early 2001 shares its engine with the A8, the 4.2L V8 to be exact. In its manifestation in the S6, it will generate a bit more hp and lb/ft than its A8 counterpart.
  • I talked to my dealer and they said they do performance upgrades that are all covered by warenty. Anybody know any detailes? They said they have a black S4 that is lowerd and chipped with spoiler and exhaust. 900mi on the odo. and they want $40k for it. seems good but you know that those miles are not break in miles but hard ones. Any feedback?
  • loujoloujo Posts: 12
    Does anyone know if S6 will indeed come to North America?
  • If you get those performance upgrades, they are truly covered by the dealer, not Audi. So if you move, or go on a road trip you are back to square one.

    No word on S6 in NA yet.
  • So if the dealer chips the car and "bad" things happen then you have to deal with the dealer with no support from Audi? That could suck. But if they say they are going to stand by their product then...
  • noelcnoelc Posts: 2
    I live in New England and I have been to a few local dealers. They all sell the S4 at MSRP.
    I've heard 36/12k lease for $650. On online site was way high on price, Most others were at sticker. Are there any deals out there?
  • Anyone know of a dealer in central Pa, Md or DC selling S4 under MSRP? Also, is it standard to charge $974 for dealer prep and environmental?
  • roys2roys2 Posts: 5
    I owned a '92 3000GT VR4 and agree that its main downside was its weight. 1999 was the last year for the 3000GT and the turbo Eclipses as well. With the Toyota Supra, Nissan 300ZX, and Mazda RX7 gone as well, the remaining choices were few unless one could move up into Porsche land. I opted for a 2000 'Vette 6-sp and am happy with it so far. I am considering the S4 as a replacement for my '95 BMW 540i 6-sp. It should be about as fast if the advertised tests can be believed.
  • mgreene1mgreene1 Posts: 116
    I've put about 1200 miles on my S4 and its been flawless so far (knock on wood).

    While it's no doubt as fast as a BMW 540i 6-spd you will have a little more wind and road noise.

    I seriously considered a VR4 back in '91 but went with an Eclipse GSX and a Kawaski ZX11 instead, figuring I could beat most of the cars most of the time and ALL of those cars ALL of the time.

    This turned out to be true to the chagrin of a certain ZR1-Vette owner who was dumb enough to challenge that (modded) bike at a stoplight. (okay, no fair comparing bikes to cars but it sure was fun to see the driver's stunned look when he asked me my 0-60 time at the next light and I told him 2.7 seconds!)

    If you can live with the extra wind and road noise the S4 is a good choice, but your Vette will certainly be quicker (on dry roads).
  • The S4 is significantly faster than the 540i. My A6 2.7T as fast as the 540i, and the S4 is about a half-second faster than that (6.7ish seconds for 540i and A6 2.7T autos, 6.0ish for both sticks, 5.4 for an S4).

    An S4 is a lousy replacement for a 5-series. It is far too small to compare. It is smaller than a 3-series (inside). Did you buy the 5-series for the size? If so, look at the A6 2.7T. It is similar performance to the 540i, but far cheaper. However, no sport suspension available yet (in the US), so it doesn't handle as well as a 540i (in fact, it may not handle as well once it gets the sport suspension). But it is quicker to 60, stops quicker, and holds the same load inside. AWD too.
  • roys2roys2 Posts: 5
    I had my first drive of an S4 today and liked it a lot. It was sneaky fast and quietly competent. It didn't feel faster than my '95 540i (6-sp, 4.0L)for which at least one magazine had quoted a 0-60 time of 6.2 seconds. The newer 540s with the 4.4L V8 would certainly be faster than the S4 assuming a dry straight track. The 0-60 times on the S4 seem to be all over the map. The Audi brochure says 6.5 seconds (with the caveat of "preliminary data subject to change"), but I've seen magazines claim as low as 5.6 (about the same as a 4.4L 540). Audi literature on the A6 2.7T (6-sp)says 0-60 in 6.0 seconds. I doubt it could stay with a new 540 in terms of acceleration, but it does have a sticker price more than $10K less. I actually bought the 540i because it offered the option of a 6-sp and a V8. Obviously, the M3 is more appropriate as a comparison for size and cost. I just happen to own the 540, and if I can't stretch to the M5, I'm looking at alternatives.
  • rollierollie Posts: 337
    Regarding post #82:

    mgreen1, the ZX11 will beat 99% of the cars out there 100% of the time but there are extreme car(s) that can whip (relatively speaking) the ZX11. Look at next months Car and Driver review of the BOSS Mustang. 0 - 60 in an astonishing 1.9 seconds!

    -rdo
    [email protected]
  • I list the numbers mostly to pump up the S4. I would say that the 2.7T is clearly in the same class (acceleration-wise) as the 540i, but I'm not saying its faster. I am saying the S4 is faster. Still, factor in turbo lag, and the car is going to be somewhat less responsive.

    For my $10K I saved, I can deal with that.

    You could go the extra $10K and get the A6 4.2 which is virtually identical in accelleration to the 540i (and better in braking), but frankly it doesn't handle as well, so unless you see the AWD as an advantage (I do, many don't), just stick with the 540i.
  • The bike wins always. It's just too light.

    You aren't going to see any 0-60 1.9s cars on the road, so you don't have to worry about racing them by mistake. Any car that can do that has to weigh so little that it would be clearly modified (one interior seat, no dash) and is very unlikely to be street legal.
  • rollierollie Posts: 337
    Regarding post #87:

    bollinger, while I agree with your general sentiment, it is factually incorrect. The BOSS Mustang that I'm looking at in the January Car and Driver weighs 3,695 pounds which is by no means light. Further, not only does this thing appear to be street legal, aside from the garish paint job on the John Coletti car and the raised hood, the car looks quite normal compared to a Cobra Mustang (standard interior and all). Of course it has 855 hp at 6,200 rpm and 794 lb-ft of torque at 5,200 rpm so it's not normal!

    -rdo
    [email protected]

    p.s. - I'll have to read the article for detail later I guess.
  • Bottom line, it's still a mustang no matter what you do to it. How many people want a Mustang over a better more luxurious car? Not I, but some might. To each his own but I can only imagine how much that car costs and I'd rather buy other cars in that price range not a mustang. Nonetheless, 1.9 sec 0-60 is a sweet time for a car.
  • Yeah, I saw the article yesterday, after finally finding a copy to buy (I have an A6 2.7T and it made the 10best).

    I was surprise how stock both of those cars look. However, given that the article makes a point of how both of the two car owners won't give straight facts about their cars, I can't imagine the weights are correct. 855HP at 3,600lbs just shouldn't equal 1.9 to 60.

    Still, my talk about you can look at the interior and see its modded is clready wrong, huh? I guess you'll have to look for super-wide rear tires.

    Those two cars both look streetable, but I doubt they pass the less obvious tests required (volume, emissions).

    Both of those cars are amazing, but the Mustang far more so.
  • I ordered an S4 from CarsDirect.com a month or so ago, and they're telling me I won't get it 'til mid-February 2000! My local (N. California) Audi dealership doesn't even have a demo. How many people out there actually have these now?
  • Finally, yesterday, the Audi dealership near me called to let me know they took delivery of their first S4 Tiptronic. I've been waiting to test drive the S4 in order to drive both manual and tiptronic, one right after the other, for comparative purposes.

    The results:
    Manual KILLS the Tiptronic. Don't get me wrong, Tip was good, but you lose a lot. No question.

    Two ways to change gears in the tiptronic- steering wheel, and via the center drive stick. Gears automatically change in Tip mode somewhere around 6300rpm...I guess to protect you from killing the tranny.

    Highlights:
    This car asks for abuse, then asks for more. Unbelievable performance with the manual transmission. Believe everything you read about the performance on this machine.

    Navigation system was really nice. Directions show up on the middle screen between the tach and the speedometer. Female voice navigates you. Cool touch.

    Disappointments:
    I thought there would be more styling differences compared to the A4 beyond larger tires, front airdam, and tiny S4 badges. Don't get me wrong, I like the A4 styling, just expected more aggressivenes with the S4.

    Very disappointed in the "premium" Bose stereo. Not crisp. My wifes Lexus ES300 sounds better, and my SC400 (Nakamichi) sounds much better.

    HID headlights look good, but don't turn on and off automatically. I thought auto headlamps were pretty much a standard feature on perf/lux cars these days.

    END RESULT - Performance is there, but I just can't get excited about the overall look of the car. If the styling were a little more aggressive that would put me over the edge. I fully expected, going into the test drive, to be placing my order before leaving. I'm holding off on buying one for now.
  • Placed an order a week ago through CarsDirect.com and they were able to find the car with the color and options I wanted at a SoCal dealer. Great service and they were even nice enough to deliver it to my home.

    Looks like SoCal dealers have more of supply so those in NorCal looking for one should expand their searches down there or go through a broker like I did.

    I couldn't even find a dealership here in the Bay Area that had any on their lots and plus they were charging ~$2500 over MSRP on the average. The wait for an ordered car would have taken 3-6 months in some cases.
  • Regarding Post #93:

    Did you pay MSRP or less for your car?
  • I am sorry you ended up feeling that way about the S4, but it has been getting rave revues and has won the #1 title from the BMW M3 in more than one review. I can only speak from experience on owning a '00 A4, but I think the Bose is very good (better than my Nissan, which had a great Bose stereo). I also think the S4 is definitely more agressive looking than the A4, comparatively speaking, the M3 to the 318I, 323I, etc. I couldn't tell one of those from the other except for looking at the rear badges. I think there are more definitive differences between the A4 and S4, such as the lower stance, more agressive tires, and more agressive front grill and S4 badges, (just naming a few aesthetic differences).

    Also, HID headlights are not a standard feature on most luxury cars. Many luxury cars do not have them, and if they do, they are an option (including, BMW). Personally, I have not heard of being able to turn on and off HID headlights. There are autoleveling headlights, and I have only heard of a few very high end cars that have this feature.

    Apparently, you are really into the Lexus thing, so nothing about a premium performance sedan would get you going, so why don't you just wait for the Lexus IS sports sedan to come out. Sounds like it's more up your alley. That cushy, floaty Japanese feeling (I know I had a Camry, exactly like the Lexus ES 300, that's why I got rid of it!)
  • P.S. - If you want more aggressive looking, look no further than your Chevy showroom at the Camaro, or Ford, at the Mustang. American muscle cars will certainly attract the attention that you seem to be desiring!
  • The S4 winning the #1 title from the M3, would that happen to be the current M3 or the new M3? Also what title did it win? The new M3 is gonna be out of the S4's league unless aftermarket stuff is done to the S4, but also the new M3 is probably gonna cost more too.
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