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Mazda Millenia



  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Not Avanti, that was a Studebaker, and later a stand alone brand.

    The proposed Mazda luxury division was to be Amati. Close, but no cigar.

    Quote speed33: "I have trouble taking advice from magazine that tests everything and consequently has expertise on nothing."

    Again, please do some research before posting incorrect information.

    CR has experts in many different laboratories. The laundry detergent experts do not test cars.

    CR advertises in the magazine for experts by catagory to fill vacancies.

    I will say it again, and I HAVE done the research. MIllenia is an extremely reliable vehicle, on a level equal to or exceeding all Toyotas Hondas, Maxima and other such cars. Reliability is my prime criteria in buying a car. Millenia's great reliability and the huge discounts are exactly why I bought one.

    I posted links for you to check this yourself. Apparently you don't have the time to do that.

    By the way, I left out the Carpoint Maxima link:

    And again, Millenia

    As you can see, none of the cars represented by Carpoint links I supplied you outperform Millenia in reliability.


  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    speed33, please read.

    The engine problem is for spark plug wires in '95 and '96. None since. Please take note that ALL catagories say, and I quote "INFREQUENT PROBLEMS REPORTED, ALL WITH LOW REPAIR COSTS"

    And a grade of 5 is as high as a car can get on Carpoint.


    Engine An occasional problem on this vehicle is failure of the Spark Plug Wires (2.5L only). The cost to repair the Spark Plug Wires is estimated at $109.15 for parts and $26.00 for labor. All prices are estimates based on $65 per flat rate hour and do not include diagnostic time or any applicable sales tax.


    Transmission & Driveline Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Steering & Suspension Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Brakes Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Heating & Air Conditioning Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Starting & Charging Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Accessories Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs.


    Overall 5 out of 5
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    fwatson, remember saxonii? banned and re-incarnated ? :-)

    Anyway, my 2000 Millenia S now has over 44000 trouble free miles. The more I drive the more I love this car. I'm going to keep my car until it dies; hoping to get 250,000 miles (yes, it's possible to get 250,000 miles out of a Mazda). I have a co-worker who's still driving his '90 626 hatchback with about 243K miles on it and still going.
    And yes, Millenia's design is timeless and beautiful. The design of this car will not look old even five years from now; kinda like how the mazda '93-'97 MX6 are, but better. Mazda's designer sure knows how to design a beautiful car.

  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    "remember saxonii? banned and re-incarnated ? :-)"

    Yes, I've started to ask speed33 about his '86 Grand Marquis a few times. LOL

  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    Howdy all:

    Like I said I do not trust CR - it is a publication aimed at middle age house wifes who cannot select their own blenders and toasters. They destroyed Trooper's reputation for no good reason yet somehow missed Ford Explorer and its stablility issues. As for car point - well it is a site run by Microsoft and I doubt they are more reputable than CR. What counts is real life and there Mazda Millenia does not shine. There have been others who have listed its shortcomings so I will not repeat them, but no matter how many sites and publications print good things about Mazda Millenia, it is still very expensive to fix. Shenequa and others who have problems with their Millenias could not care less what CR says, for them it is time to pay and pay big $$$$ to fix their vehicles. You felows have brand new Millenias and let's face it even the Koreans can make a decent car that will run trouble free for couple of years, it is what happenes after that, that counts.
    Millenia is not Mazda's greatest achievement period. People on the street know what is good and what is not. That is why RX7 will hold its value while Millenia will not.
    As for saxon2, well, didn't you guys blast him on this board??????? He has not posted in a while and already you guys miss him. Saxon come back !!!!!!
    Hey I cannot wait to be called a troll as for the car well it was not made in 1986. ou gentlemen have a nice evening!
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    It's always good to meet someone who knows more about a subject than all the professional mechanics and writers combined. Not to mention all the stupid owners that sold out to CR on those rigged questionaires.

    Please continue to post your tripe so the members of the Millenia forum can have a good laugh at your expertise.

    Your vendetta against Millenia, Consumer Reports, Carpoint, and anyone else who won't take your vindictive point of view, has upset me so much I'm about to pee my pants. Pardon me while I make a quick trip to the bathroom. LOL

  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Reliable, not reliable, value for the money, shortcomings, . . . it's all subjective, gentlemen. Remember that.

    There are cars considered to be reliable that'll brake. There are cars considered utter crap that will go on forever:
    when I came to this country, I bought 1 year old 1991 Plymouth Acclaim V6, made in Mexico, with Mitsu engine for $8500 - sold it 4 years later for 4500. The two things I had to fix: speed sensor ($35 incl. labor) and muffler ($60 or so). Does that make it a great car? I would call it sofa on wheels... but I really liked it (in the way you like an ugly pet).

    So, it's all opinions, personal experiences and perception! What is good for one person, is not good for another. That's why some people buy pickup, and some buy Porsches. Even my 6 year old understands a Porsche wouldn't work for us and why we have a van. I've tried Maxima, Acura TL and others, and Millenia S worked at the time the best for me. Will I buy it (or something similar) again? I don't know - I'll tell you 3-4 years from now. You don't step into the same river twice, you know...

    To each his own!

    I am not supporting those calling Saxon II back, because you could not have a discussion with him - he was so narrow minded and petty in persisting that everybody who dares to have a different opinion (even based on one's own experience) was subject to long winded, irrational, insubstantiated attacks with no factual support (i.e. Millenia has not changed since 1995 and Maxima is DA BEST (although built on an older platform than Millenia, with rather primitive suspension)).

    And I don't have nearly eough time to participate in pointless slugfests that people like Saxon love to spark. Don't get drawn into it!

    Take it easy -

  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    Everybody has a right to their opinion, but I think no matter how you cut it Mazda still offers the biggest bang for your buck.

    As far as CR is concerned, like any other publication it has to be used as a guide. If you want to take it or any other publication as gospel of course you are going to find problems with them. If I had listened to CR I would have not bought a Millenia I would have bought a Passat or a Camary. I looked at a Passat and I did not like it. So I guess for all of us "middle age housewifes" that use it as a guide I guess we are in a minority. As far as the Trooper goes I don't care who would have stated that I would not have looked at, not that I would have anyway. I think ones life is more important than a corporations bottom line is.

    Just my two cents worth.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and has the right to state it. That's what online forums are all about. Most of us do that, and it creates a good conversation. Some others, usually those who do not, have not, and probably never will own the product being discussed have a strange need to come on with untrue, and unsubstantiated statements with the sole purpose being to cause an argument, which in turn gets them the attention they crave. That is a troll. For me they do serve one purpose, they are good for a hearty laugh at their total ignorance of the subject at hand.

    If they had any proof of what they are saying, they would present it. Trolls don't, because they are simply blowing smoke.

    Like tomekk, Millenia worked best at the time for me. I have no idea what my next car will be, because it hasn't been built yet. I do know from researching the internet, reading many magazines, and going to so many car dealers of a large variety of makes and models over a period of about three months, that nothing even comes close to Millenia for bang for the buck right now. Next time it will have to be something else, as this is the last year for Millenia. That's too bad, because with a moderate update, including a slightly larger V-6 to please the hot rod crowd, it is fully competitive with the $30000 group of cars.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    What studies do you know of, Speed33, that prove your point? You discount CR and Carpoint, yet you don't offer an example of a reliability survey done right. Instead, you say that anecdotal evidence should be the final arbiter. That only gets us back to where we were with your first post. If my friend has an Accord with a bad trans at ~70k, then all Accords are not worthy? With that viewpoint it looks like you should be posting on every single topic here, because I have not not seen a flawless car-line yet.
  • obioha1obioha1 Posts: 27
    I hope that we can move on to other topics. I mean I did research also and the millenia is reliable but it seems that as milage increases so the potential for costly repairs, as with other cars but the millenia seems to be a higher on average. Anyways my 99 S has 35,200 miles on it. I never did the 30,000 mile service, instead when it reached 30,000 miles I looked at the sheet on what additional recommened service and got (1) The transmission completely flushed and cleaned and fluid replaced-129.00 (2)air filter replaced-22.40 (3)oil change (synthetic)53.00. I went to NTB and did a 4 wheel alignment as well as a balance and rotation. I was wondering is it neccessary to get this service done and what will they do at the dealership that will be essential in maintain the normal functioning of my car? All responses are really needed, because I could use the money for this service to fix my cracked windshield.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I don't have my manual handy, but I'd say just do those things listed in the manual a la carte (don't go for the expensive dealer's 30K service with a lot of unnecessary things bundled in to rip you off) - you should be fine AND covered for the remainder of warranty.

    I'm curious which oil weight you used?

  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    Howdy folks:

    Like tomekkk stated, cars are very personal things and people drive what they think is the best car for them. Ergo, Porshe for one, minivan for another. I am merely stating what I have heard about Millenia on the streets. I almost purchased one (used 99S for half the original price) and that is what steered me toward investigating this particular vehicle. What I found mostly comes from people who have modified their cars beyond recognition and have driven their beasts to the limit. I know they are not in their 40s and 50s and do not have to go to the bathroom to pee every hour or so, thus maybe their expertise to you fellows is not what counts. I on the other hand, do listen to them. AND according to them Mazda Millenia is slow, heavy, base engine is weak, S version lacks HP and is super expensive to repair. The car cannot take any serous abuse and doesn't corner well. Now, please do not blast me for this information. I am only passing on this information. Some people listen to CR, Carpoint or even edmunds, I listen and watch people who really know their cars. Please do not get upset. Hey!
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    To be fair many of my friends think that Mazda RX7 is one of the best cars to race and they would love to have one. Nothing but good things about the RX. MAzda Millenia however was called " Fat Berta ", that's fat not phat. Hey
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    I have to agree with tomekk that people do have different tastes and needs from a vehicle. I think the problem is is what you are looking for out of this car. If you want to buy a Millenia to race it I think you are choosing the wrong car. If you are basing your comments on people who bought this car for that reason then they chose the wrong car. So make sure you put their comments in perspective. I agree with you that the base engine is slow therefore I would never buy this car, or even the s model, to race it that was never it's intended purpose. Remember this car is an entry level luxury sedan.
  • kw1964kw1964 Posts: 7
    Just had my two week anniversary with my new P, and I just gotta say, I love this car! Took it out over the weekend on some curvey country roads and kicked it a little. Handling is great, really hugs the road on fast curves and corners. Ride is extremely well composed, and inspires confidence. Mazda really succeeded in creating a big solid luxo car that doesn't leave the driving feeling like he's at the wheel of the Queen Mary.
    These are beautiful cars inside and out. Interiors are nicer than many cars costing ten thousand dollars more.
    For the price of a mid range Camry or Accord, the Millenia is loaded. It's a steal
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639

    It is good to see you add some perspective to your unsubstantiated, Millenia bashing. If you are looking for an extremely nice and reliable car, designed and executed as a "Near Luxury Car" for normal street use, get a Millenia in either "P" or "S" depending on your need for speed.

    If you want a beater to flog into the ground, and play out some scenes from movie chase sequences, get a '60's or 70's American muscle car with body on frame construction, and junkyard parts supply. Even a 1986 Mercury Grand Marquis will serve the purpose. Happy stop light prowling. But refrain from buying and using a Millenia for that purpose. That is not, and never was it's purpose.

    This is a case of complaining you can ruin an electric carving knife cutting down a giant oak tree, instead of buying the appropriate chain saw for that purpose.

    I doubt my Millenia could hold up to 4 wheel drive mud slingers either. It was never intended to.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310

    what on earth are those folks thinking??? It's a 3500 lb sedan... so the complaint is it doesn't race well? I'll have to put up same complaint on the Chevy Venture forum about my wife's van!

    When it comes to cornering in 2001 Millenia S has front & rear stabilizer bar and stiffened suspension. Try outcornering that on 17 inch tires with 50 profile... unless you drive a Porsche (not Porshe) I'll take on you :-) and the S engine has plenty of go.

    Happy racing!

  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    Speed 33,

    I guess the question that begs to be asked is why did these people buy the Millenia?
    There was obviously something they liked about it. Or was it that it is the best car for your money?
  • nvedraninvedrani Posts: 58
    I think we're all interested in what YOU drive, by the sound of your conviction, it must be a 400hp Supra or 300Z the way you try to portray your extremely biased and unconfirmed opinions. Please move on and blabble to those that may care. Ciao!.......hey! (what is that anyways??)
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote kcm8419: "I guess the question that begs to be asked is why did these people buy the Millenia?"

    Maybe he can answer that better than I can. But I also read the:

    forum. I believe these are the people he is dealing with. If you read that forum, you will find a group of apparently very young men who were drawn to Millenia for it's beauty, then do everything they can think of to make it something else. Funny thing is though, there is almost nothing posted there inferring the Millenia is a trouble prone and expensive to repair piece of junk. They seem very happy, if only they could transform their "Millie" into a customized street racer.

  • et9et9 Posts: 2
    Hi All,

    I'm picking up my '99 Millenia S this Wed (bought it for $25K CDN, 27K km, excelent condition) and wondering whether I should take any Protection pakage(s) and/or Comprehensive coverage.
    1) Protection packges: It's called Dimond-Kote and apparently offered by every car dealer here in Toronto. Includes Paint, Rust, Sound and Leather protection. All together for about $1K CDN.
    Do you think it worth it?

    2) Not sure about US, here it's called Mazda Added Protection. They offer me comprehensive repair insurance for 2 extra years/100K km for $2K CDN.
    Do you think I should go for it?

    (all the prices don't include 15% tax)

    Thanks in advance!
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    Dear fellow posters. I am sorry to get you all excited. I am not going to be drawn into posting responses to people who are convinced that their Millenias are so good that no criticism can't be posted here. Yes Mazda is the best, it hugs the road, it is fast, corners like a Porsche, people confuse it for Lexus, Mercedes, and is so much better than a Honda or Toyota. You guys win. You are driving the best car out there!! Happy????
    Now, all I said that people on the street do not consider it much of anything. It does everything OK and ends up doing nothing outstanding. That is their opinion and unlike those who look for answers in CR or carpoint, they do know cars well and actually drive it to the extreme. According to them Mazda Millenia have weak engines meaning they can't take abuse. Let's face it, Mazda's 2.5 engine is not the best one out there. Heck Nissan Sentra SER, Honda Civic si are capable of more HP from smaller displacement, and they are not even in the same class (they should be compared to Mazda Protege- which is totally weak). Peace
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    I am sorry I misspelled Porsche. I was not prevue to superior education that undoubtedly you have obtained in Easter Europe. (Must be why you guys are so advanced in for example car making)I will try to use a spell checker next time. See ya
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    what is your point? I don't think anyone here bought a race car. For the price that a Millenia goes for, what comparable vehicles are out there? As far as HP per liter, does a Vtech have any torque? Please think about what you are typing before you hit the POST Message key. Is the Millenia perfect? nope. Is it the best car money can buy? nope. Does it have competition? Yup. Is it one heck of a good deal? Yes, and that's why this forum is constantly up in arms about those who try to compare it to $30-35k vehicles. Get a clue and understand what the competition is.

    On the topic of the Protegé being weak, would that be in every area? I seem to recall that quite a few enthusiast mags said it was the best handling econo-ride out there, but you may want to debate that with the folks in the Protegé forum.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Speed33/saxonii, if you want to talk about comparing the Millenia to other vehicles you KNOW where that belongs since we have been over this ground a hundred times.

    It does NOT belong here.

    I will remove further posts of yours in this discussion that mention any other vehicle in any way, or that are off-topic in any way at all.

    EVERYONE ELSE: Please let me deal with him. Just do NOT respond to him at all. Please email me if you want to talk about this; we don't want to talk about it here.

    Ignore, ignore, ignore.

    Sedans Message Board
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Sure, Pat, deal with him - although there isn't much to deal with. He is not abusive, just ignores the facts. He is criticizing something, then he doesn't listen to responses that point out his obvious mistakes. He also doesn't get the message "to each his own".

    On the other hand questioning my education might be considered personal attack... luckily I feel pretty well with my education that let's me run a group of non-Eastern Europe educated programmers (that should be Middle Europe, speed) whose education ... well, let's not go there. And yes, I had taught programming even in this country :-)
    Did he actually say Peace at the end of his message? Hm...

    Take it easy

  • Just some info on my household...
    My parents leased a 95 Millenia P....they loved it....when the lease ran out I leased a 99 Millenia P....then I bought a 2001 Millenia S. As you can see...I love the Millenia....

    I didn't even consider any other cars...I am very picky about styling.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    1). Protection packages
    I wouldn't buy it - IMHO it's worthless.

    2). Mazda Added Protection
    Interesting, but seems to be very expensive. What exactly is covered? Did you look into less expensive non-Mazda program? I'd go for something that would take me well beyond 100K km - like 160K km, this is when problems are likely to occur.

    Good luck with your purchase -
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I got message # 1500!!!

    Just kidding... not that it matters :-) should've played the lottery today.
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