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BMW 5-Series Sedans

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Only wish you had the "guts" to go back to a 5-speed after all these years?

    What "guts"? There's no guts required to drive a 5-series manual - 400 hp M5 included. They are among the smoothest shifting, nicest feeling manual transmissions out there. If I ever came home with a 5-series sedan with an automatic transmission, my 5'1" 105 lb wife would divorce me. And she has not guts (or gut) whatsovever.

    Seriously, if you prefer an automatic, go for it. But if you are inclined to consider rowing your own, try it before you decide. The 5-series really rewards the do it yourselfers.
  • dzubadzuba Posts: 159
    You're kidding - there really is such a thing?
    I better start reading the manual!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 12,220
    Snaigel: You opinion of your G35 coupe (and how it compares to a 3er & even a 5er) is definitely relevant and appreciated on this board. I'm pretty sure all of us know that you're not trying to start up the G35 V. BMW argument.

    While many here on the board have had success with BMW's CPO cars, how much off of the asking price do you usually get? The reason I ask is that I always see CPO BMWs listed in the paper for very close to their original value. X5s, 530s, & 3ers all hold their value well as we all know. I know that CPO makes the used car more expensive and worth more (due to the warranty), but, but how willing are the dealers dealing on say the perfect used BMW? Is is supply and demand or what?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    loving every drive in my car! My dealer sent me a second $100 certificate (first one came last year at this time.) to use toward the purchase or lease of another BMW. Nice touch , but I don't think I'll be using them any time soon.

    dzuba and crete Congratulations on your new 5's! Enjoy in good health!
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    fjk... From what I remember regarding the lengthy articles in Roundel (BMW CCA) and Bimmer magazines on the BMW NA CPO program, dealers DO have the initial choice as to whether or not they want to CPO a car. But only cars that meet the CPO criteria can be CPO'd. Once they get the pre-owned car, they have to make an initial final decision. A dealer is NOT allowed to simultaneously offer a pre-owned BMW as either a non-CPO or CPO car. It has to be one or other other. The dealer can't say something like "I'll sell it to you for $30,000 or $31,500 CPO." BMW reportedly monitors program compliance. A few dealers have temporarily lost the ability to participate due to their violations of the program's rules.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    nyccarguy... Key is to negotiate hard. Find multiple dealers that have cars you are willing to buy. Try to play one dealer against another to get your sale. Use the BMW NA CPO locator on their web site. Makes it easy to find cars you might be willing to buy. I drove 600 miles to find the unit I wanted. My wife got her's 150 miles away.

    I did my negotiating over e-mail and telephone. When I bought mine, the dealer ended up dropping his initial asking price by $1,000 and I ended up getting the initial trade amount I asked for.

    If you buy, will you trade a car in? That complicates the sale and price analysis.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    You are right that once a car has been certified "CPO", the dealer does not have the option of taking that back. I assume that the dealers must pay something for the extended warranty. Otherwise why would BMW extend the warranty?

    The dealer is the one who knows if a particular car meets the critiera for certification, and they could offer a price differential on an uncertified car if they knew that it could be certified. Doing that on a regular basis might violate the "rules" for CPO cars.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    To get the best price out of the dealer, you must be prepared to walk away from any deal. If the dealer/salesman thinks you will pay more, they will hold out for more. Last Halloween, the local Cadillac/Oldsmobile dealer wanted to sell me the last 2002 Seville they had. I really wasn't looking for a new car as my 98 Aurora was still good. But the salesman said they had a $15,000 discount. So I thought I could trade for $25,000. The discount was really $4000 + $2000 for incentives. The dealership was willing to throw in more but it was't $15,000. So we talked for a couple of days and I increased my offer to $28,000. They came down to about $31,000. The incentives were going away Halloween night and the salesman asked if I would go another $500, so I said OK, thinking the sales manager would never go for it. They took the offer though. So it was a good deal, but if I had really wanted the car (list price was over $50,000 - $51000 with gold trim), they would have held out for the $33,000 they wanted to start with. I figure that I got ten grand off list price.
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    I like Jet Black. Black is Black. My 86 was Jet Black and still looked real good last week when we parted ways. Every time I washed it, I'd get comments like, "Ja getta new car?", or "Ja git it painted?". FWIW, we ordered both my 03 530i and wife's 03 X5 in Jet Black.

    On another note, the dealer in Greenville, SC has a Silver 530i, 5 speed w/ NO options. MSRP of $41,795. Last of the breed, at 525 prices.

    Happy motoring,

    Jack
  • need4speed1need4speed1 Posts: 28
    Hey dzuba, mind if I ask what you're paying? I recently found a 2002 530i, black/gray, SP, PP, with 13k miles on it. I don't think it has premium sound, xenon, or heated seats. The dealer is asking about $35,000 for it. The asking price is certainly fair, but who pays asking price? What should I offer?
  • need4speed1need4speed1 Posts: 28
    Does anyone know whether front air dams/chin spoilers, advertised for 1997-2000 5 series, fit on 2001-2003 models? Also, as far as quality goes, how does fiberglass rate? I've seen body kits on eBay that are like AC Schnitzer or Hamann kits, but made out of multi-layers of "hand-laid fiberglass."

    Does installation of roof spoiler and M5 deck spoiler require drilling?
  • cbgb1975cbgb1975 Posts: 51
    Look up "speed limit" in manual, though I think bc display is "limit"..you set a speed, and then you will hear a single tone once you exceed it. If you drop beneath this speed,you will hear the tone only when you exceed it again....it does not keep beeping,thankfully. Very handy for hway, letting friends drive, or even around town where limits can be ridiculously low. I do not need it now that I'm used to it, but still for hway trips it is useful just to stay within 10 of the posted limit. Not sure if this is standard or part of PP.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 12,220
    I was just asking a general question. I'm not looking for a car at the present time. My 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH is still beautiful at a little over a year old with only 6200 miles. A few years down the road after I buy a home, the BMW dealer will be my first stop.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • wabendswabends Posts: 102
    I am negotiating for a 2001 530i with AT, PP, CWP and Xenon. The car was traded in at a Merc dealership by the original owner and it has 21200 miles. Asking price is $35000.

    Is this a good deal? Also, can I buy extended warranty from BMW if I buy the car from a Merc dealership?
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    wabends... If you buy a pre-owned MY 2001 BMW from a Merc dealer, you get the remainder of the original 4/50 b-to-b warranty and the remainder of the free maintenance agreement. You cannot get an extended warranty from BMW; however, you could buy an extended warranty from a 3rd party.

    If you want an extended warranty thru BMW, then you'd have to buy a CPO car from a BMW dealer.

    Have you checked out BMW NA's web site, the CPO locator? You should. Might be interesting to see what you find near you.
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    Does the system turn on the AC on its own when the condition changes inside/outside or do I need to select the AC on the display? Can someone clarify it for me?
    tx
    .g
  • karmikankarmikan Posts: 116
    I'm pretty sure that you have to turn the AC on manually. The fan is auto but when it's trying to cool the car it just blows in a lot of outside air, not AC cooled air.

    A bit strange to say the least.
  • karmikankarmikan Posts: 116
    Does anyone know how the heating works on the outside mirrors?

    The owners manual says "Both mirrors are defrosted automatically when the key is in position 2". That would imply that they're heated all the time because position 2 is "Run". Difficult to imagine that's true because wouldn't the heating elements would burn out really quickly?

    Maybe the heating control is linked to the outside temp sensor or maybe to the rear defogger. Another possibility is that the heating is set on a timer so that they come on for a set time after the ignition is switched on, but that wouldn't make much sense either because heating wouldn't be needed most of the year. Aarrgg!! My head hurts.

    Anyone know the answer? Thanks in advance
  • wabendswabends Posts: 102
    Thanks for your advice. I checked the BMW centers within 150 miles but none came up with such a price for a MY 2001 530i with the specs that I was looking for. Most of the sales advisors appear to be interested in pushing new 530's out to make room for the MY 04s.

    I will keep you posted on the outcome.
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    Thanks. Yes, I do indeed find it strange. My wife's Honda Oddysey works automatically. I can't believe BMW calls it auto climate when it depends on manual switch to turn ac/heat on.
    ...g
  • karmikankarmikan Posts: 116
    The heat comes on automatically and the fan speed is auto too but the AC seems to be manual. A long shot - could be something to do with mileage ratings or something equally obscure.
  • wabendswabends Posts: 102
    Thanks for your advice. I checked the BMW centers within 150 miles but none came up with such a price for a MY 2001 530i with the specs that I was looking for. Most of the sales advisors appear to be interested in pushing new 530's out to make room for the MY 04s.

    I will keep you posted on the outcome.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, I actually prefer having to manually engage the A/C, in fact, cars that I have driven that engage the compressor automatically drive me crazy. Oh well, I guess you can't please all of the people all of the time. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • ksqrdksqrd Posts: 21
    Three months ago I purchased an Electric Red MY01 CPO 530i, Sport/Premium, Xenons, CD+changer for 36K. The car had 13K miles, was in showroom condition, and was a late-year car (thus, a little longer free maintenance interval and warranty left). I was told by a local dealer that if I wanted one of their cars to be sold CPO that it would add 2K to the price. Others have estimated the CPO value at a bit less.

    Based on what I paid, I'd say the price is close, but a bit on the high side (given the absence of the SP, CD+changer, and no CPO). Good luck.
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    Shipo, if you have the a/c on and the outside temperature changes as often happens in Boston/Vermont area...does the a/c change to heat automatically in order to maintain the inside settings?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Yes, even with the A/C button selected, if the temperature in the car falls below your set threshold, the heat will come on, aided of course by the A/C, which will also dry the air. On a cold rainy day, this is a good thing; otherwise, I would rather have the A/C switched off.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dzubadzuba Posts: 159
    Have I said yet that I love this car!!!!!

    I have not had time to read all the manuals yet and join the clubs - but I will, so here is my first goofy question.

    Brake dust - soap and water, or is there a better method? Is there some special spray that loosens up the dust?

    Thanks

    PS - I was considering saving my 98 Maxima GLE for the rainy/snowy/crappy days and the high mileage trips - but after drivng my 530 for a week - I may sell it and drive the H out of the 530. That is what they are meant for right? Between the extremes - I would rather drive it, replace the tires when needed, then pamper it.
    So in three years I may either keep or sell my 02 530, and it will have 80-90K miles on it!!
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    One more annoying question for you or anyone. I have 530 MY 03 with SP and PP, 5spd. Is there any indication or display which tells you if a door was not all the way closed? The only thing I seem to get is the internal light stays on. I have kids in the back and often they don't close the door...
    I have hard time believing that 50K car has no display telling you this. Am I missing something?
  • cbgb1975cbgb1975 Posts: 51
    I have a friend with a '96 Celica Supra who keeps his wheels clean as a sparkling whistle ; he only uses soap and water and they look great. No long term worry at all. I am using BMW wheel cleaner , also another wheel cleaner "safe for clear coated wheels" to loosen the dust. It is less elbow grease and seems to work well. Has anyone used Wheel Wax? If so, any thoughts would be appreciated...When my brake pads are changed, I will be asking dealer for the ones mentioned in earlier posts that create less dust,name escapes me right now.
  • bmwdriver02bmwdriver02 Posts: 46
    Returned from a 500-mile round trip to Virginia (from NYC, about 250 each way). My 02 530i handled beautifully on the highway! Averaged about 27 mpg. Can't wait to do that again...
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