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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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    774774 Member Posts: 101
    If you viewed the two videos you can see all the questions that are raised.
    I find it difficult to believe the gas pedal assembly is the entire problem.
    We can only speculate at this point as we do not have all the facts.
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    iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    everything quite succinctly. It is accurate. I've followed this pup from square one and it's incredibly annoying yet accurately true that the SD Lexus dealer was so dumb as to stack mats, but it appears they did. And mats from a SUV, nonetheless!

    I tell ya what, it would seem pretty normal to me if current Toyota owners just wanted to punt their recall notices. If the mats have that much to do with this whole thing and they've got the right mat that is designed for their car installed and it's installed correctly, well then, that just leaves the possible pedal malfunction chance as needing attention, if it does turn out that it needs attention.

    I would also consider continuing to drive my affected Toyota throughout this whole debacle, while Toyota engineers research what else to do I would just go about my way, making sure I know how move the tranny in to 'neutral' gear safely, and how to pull the car over safely in emergency mode, etc., just in case the accelerator were to become stuck, etc. Be prepared like your best Boy Scout would be prepared and do what you can and you should be good and fairly safe with your Toyota. But once Toyota comes up with another fix, take them up on it and get your Toyota repaired.

    No need to freak out here, just prepare properly and don't check your brain in at your door as you're leaving your house to go drive your Toyota and you should be safe.

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    wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
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    wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I have the most wonderful, competent, reliable, conscienous, hard-working empoyees on the planet earth. US citizens all.

    "Heads-down", as opposed to Heads-up, getting noticed, in which case by japanese tradition you're the one that gets your head lopped off if/when things go "south".

    You know something is wrong, keep your mouth shut, "heads-down".

    At the end of my time at Boeing I had maybe 30 employees under my "command". I can only remember 2 or 3 of those that I would have fired given the power.
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Yep I agree wholeheartedly.
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    oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    So, I was watching news updates on MSNBC.com tonight when a Toyota advertisement came on. It was one of a series for Toyota trucks emphasizing the the "macho lifestyle" that fits so well with Toyota Tunda ownership. ;)

    It was entitled "Ten feet away from a full body cast" and featured young rock-climbers encountering near-death experiences in their quest for an extreme lifestyle... you know, 'cause they are Toyota drivers and that's how Toyota drivers roll.

    "Sticking gas pedals? We laugh at sticking gas pedals! Give us Grizzly bears and sharks and full body casts! Why would we give a rat's [non-permissible content removed] about gas pedals?!?"

    The Irony is Overwhelming... :shades:
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    carbuff1171carbuff1171 Member Posts: 77
    My biggest concern is that most of the credible reports describe the incident in a way that cannot be explained by a stuck pedal. "I tapped the brake and the car took off", "I did not press down on the gas pedal", "I know my foot had hit the brake and not the gas". Since the cars computer has exclusive control over the throttle position at all times no matter what the driver does, this sounds more like a problem in the electronics. If a bug in the computer has it in la-la land, it may not be accepting any inputs from pedals or switches or anything to change the throttle.
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,178
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHotbtd7HJA&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFp2yLBnNQ

    The second video shows a disassembly of a pedal sensor from a Sequoia. Is there any difference in the other CTS units in other models?

    Do you see how moisture (in Georgia, e.g.) would affect that sensor the way described by toyota as in physically causing it to not move because of friction? There are no moving parts rubbing. I'd like to know your analysis please, of how this part would go defective?

    The first video shows a quick over of the two physical parts involved in operating the throttle body. Is there a problem with the motor controlling the butterfly valve?

    The third thing is the author of the videos suggests the computer control itself has bugs.

    In this forum someone suggested he doesn't know what he's doing because he uses weasel words that indicate it looks okay to him, etcetera. I value your opinion more than that of some of the toyota salespeople shown on TV telling people it's only on older models as they tried to sell a car to a faux customer, for example.

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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    the author of the videos suggests the computer control itself has bugs.

    I am leaning that direction as well. I have tried to find the Video posted at the beginning of this latest round of Toyota recalls. It was the guy being interviewed that took his WOT Toyota to the dealer while it was wide open. Was their any mention of the actual peddle being stuck down? If not, that eliminates the throttle control in this latest video. I don't see how it could be the culprit unless the return spring is defective. Or moisture in the connector causes shorts, that send mixed signals to the control computer. He did mention that in his tear down of the throttle control unit.

    Toyota has not helped by claiming they got the fix when they don't have a fix. I think in their panic, we get mixed reports from different departments at Toyota.

    Also how did the Tacoma escape this recall? I thought they were all made in the USA.
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    lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...with my wife today. I wonder if Toyota will be there and, if there, will anything be different or they'll just carry on like they did every other year? I also wonder what the GM and Chrysler displays will be like due to their recent troubles? Could you imagine how empty the show would be without GM, Chrysler, and Toyota? Heck, they could hold the entire show on one floor of the Pennsylvania Convention Center.
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Toyota Supplier Says Sticky Gas Pedals Not the Problem

    CTS Is Shipping New Pedals, But Says Toyota Admits They Have Caused No Serious Accidents or Deaths
    By BRIAN ROSS
    Jan. 29, 2010


    But even the company's own supplier, Indiana-based CTS, says Toyota is far from done in ending the problem of runaway cars -- and that Toyota told it none of the serious accidents or deaths linked to runaway cars was caused by "sticky" gas pedals.

    The pedal's problem was determined by Toyota to be excessive wear of an interior part, caused by condensation build up, making the gas pedal slow to return to idle.

    But Mitch Walorski, director of investor relations for CTS, said Toyota had acknowledged that this "rare set of conditions" had not caused any accidents.

    "They acknowledged that they did not cause any accidents or injuries related to that condition of the pedal," said Walorski.

    Walorski says CTS began shipping a redesigned gas pedal from its plant in Canada this week to Toyota.

    Whether or not sticking gas pedals are the cause of random acceleration in Toyotas, there are many reports of runaway Toyotas that are not on the list of models recalled by the company to replace the pedals.

    Dr. Alan Ostroff of Philadelphia says his Prius, which is not on the recall list, just "took off" on him.

    " I panicked," Ostroff told ABC News. "It's like driving on ice, you hit the brakes and you can't stop." When Ostroff's Prius got within a few feet of hitting the car in front of him, he swerved into oncoming traffic. He says he just missed a huge truck.

    Ostroff said there also no problem with his floor mats. Toyota had previously blamed poorly fitting floor mats for the random acceleration incidents in some of its cars, and issued a recall to replace them. Ostroff now refuses to take his car back out on the road until Toyota finds the problem.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-supplier-sticky-gas-pedals-problem/story?id- =9689799
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Why in the world is Toyota sending new gas pedal systems to car factories rather than dealerships who want the parts to take care of millions of customers whose pedals may stick????????? :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
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    gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Toyota is in free fall. They have no clue as to what the problem is. So to try and bamboozle a less than competent NHTSA they will do or say whatever they think will please the powers in Washington. They have never considered the customer important except when they are signing on the line to buy.

    Here is the ABC report that got this latest recall going. The owner of the car is very emphatic that his gas pedal WAS NOT stuck. The car was racing WOT from some internal cause.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/runaway-toyotas-problem-persists-recall/story?id=9- 618735

    Toyota is sending the new throttle devices to their factories so they can build more defective cars and SUVs to sell. As soon as the NHTSA says go.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Up to you to decide, but this pretty much sums it all up...not much more to say:

    It appears that Toyota has denied its sudden acceleration problem for more than 5 years. Toyota's recall for floor mat problems is not the end of the story and the company needs to do more to protect its customers and the motoring public.

    In March 2004, the Center For Auto Safety reported about sudden acceleration problems in 2002-03 Toyota Camrys and Solaras and the 2002-03 Lexus ES 300.

    According to AutoSafety.org, by the year 2000, there had been more than 22,600 reported complaints of sudden acceleration.

    More than five years ago, Toyota and NHTSA identified the electronic throttle as the most likely source of the sudden acceleration defect. However, Toyota continued -- and continues today -- to dismiss concerns about its throttle control system and has looked only at the floor mat issue.

    Four years later -- in June 2008 -- the Detroit Free Press and the Motor Authority reported that Toyota had dismissed additional customer complaints that the popular Toyota Tacoma pickup truck had been experiencing the same sudden acceleration issue as other Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

    In 2008 -- like in 2004 -- Toyota refused to take the sudden acceleration issue seriously. Instead of fixing the known problem in its vehicles, Toyota publicly accused its own customers of trying to cash in on Toyota's negative publicity.

    By October 2009, Toyota was forced to finally acknowledge sudden acceleration problems in the following vehicles:

    * 2007-2010 Toyota Camry
    * 2005-2010 Toyota Avalon
    * 2004-2009 Toyota Prius
    * 2005-2010 Toyota Tacoma
    * 2007-2010 Toyota Tundra
    * 2007-2010 Lexus ES350
    * 2006-2010 Lexus IS250
    * 2006-2010 Lexus IS 350

    In October 2009, Toyota Motor Corp. President Akio Toyoda, was forced to publicly apologize for the tragic death of an American family who were killed when their Toyota vehicle suddenly accelerated out of control. This tragedy was recorded by 911 as the passengers desperately tried to slow or stop their out of control Toyota vehicle.

    Despite more than 5 years of documented sudden acceleration problems in Toyota and Lexus vehicles and the tragic death of a family of four caught on tape, Toyota still has refused to accept any responsibility or acknowledge any defect.

    Toyota has ignored customer reports of the sudden acceleration problem for more than 5 years. Despite this growing safety concern, Toyota announced, November 6, 2009, a third-quarter profit of nearly $250 million. In the last 90 days -- while its cars were running out of control -- Toyota made a profit of nearly $3 miller per day. Toyota also increased its sales projection to more than 7 million vehicles for this year.

    Langdon & Emison is aware of more than 2100 reported instances of Toyota sudden acceleration. Instead of listening to its customers and fixing the extremely dangerous sudden acceleration problem -- a problem Toyota has known about for more than 5 years -- Toyota is raking in money and placing even more dangerous cars and trucks on American roads. Toyota needs to take these complaints seriously and fix the millions of dangerous vehicles on our streets and highways. :lemon:
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,178
    >Instead of fixing the known problem in its vehicles, Toyota publicly accused its own customers of trying to cash in on Toyota's negative publicity.

    Seems to be some of that going around these days, doesn't there?

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    delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    We can hear you ! Why are you shouting ? ;) :P
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    wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Go ahead, PITCH me the easy ones.

    Why..??

    Because they are not yet sure the gas pedal assembly is the core problem.

    So divert the public's attention in the same way a magician does.

    Send them to the dealer, the dealer "repairs" a few cars, and then guess what..

    Yes, you guessed it.
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    wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    When you go WOT the A/C compressor clutch circuit is opened. That might/would result in a HUGE voltage spike to all of the 12 volt circuits, along with a fairly high level of EMI & RFI (Electro-Magnetic Interference & Radio Frequency Interference) due to inductive kickback.

    Might that cause a Disruption of the engine/transaxle ECU's firmware instruction execution sequence...?

    The way I discovered that my 12 volt battery in our 911/996 was not quite up to snuff was because I would get, randomly, various fault lights (mostly ABS/TC/"VSC"...) on the dash just after beginning a drive, actually getting underway. The engine always started and only in retrospect did I realize it had been cranking slower than normal.

    Does Toyota/etc use any sort of "snubber" network to snub out, eliminate, that voltage spike...??
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    BTW, how is your Camry treating you?

    CTS and Toyota are making the same statement on the gas pedals. Both have said that the posssibility of it occurring is very very rare, Both have said that no injuries or deaths have been caused by the potentially faulty pedals. Accuracy is important.

    With this quote you are distorting facts:
    Four years later -- in June 2008 -- the Detroit Free Press and the Motor Authority reported that Toyota had dismissed additional customer complaints that the popular Toyota Tacoma pickup truck had been experiencing the same sudden acceleration issue as other Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

    It was the NHTSA that closed all the complaints on the Tacomas. They found none of them credible and found no causation.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    We can hear you ! Why are you shouting ?

    Just amazes me how some people just still don't get it and would still go out and buy one of the recalled vehicles? What other automaker in the past year has been forced to stop selling their cars? :confuse: :confuse:
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Problem is not the mats; the problem has been traced to a contaminated metal bushing in the pedal assembly that sticks after fairly short usage; IMO, the assembly is too poor a design to be used in such a vital location...it's made of plastic but should be made of metal. And, the bushing should be replaced by sealed ball bearings.

    This appears to be an engineering failure followed by a coverup and that speaks poorly of the company. Toyota is ALWAYS quick to blame their suppliers on any recall or other problem, and they never admit their own fault.
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Problem is not the mats; the problem has been traced to a contaminated metal bushing in the pedal assembly that sticks after fairly short usage; IMO, the assembly is too poor a design to be used in such a vital location...it's made of plastic but should be made of metal. And, the bushing should be replaced by sealed ball bearings.

    Where does this 'out of left field' statement come from? But you're right, in these potential cases the problem has nothing to do with the mats.

    Source? Expert knowledge of the subject?
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    dmathews3dmathews3 Member Posts: 1,739
    He stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. :shades:
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    wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "..It's made of plastic..."

    Like the new Boeing DreamLiner...??
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    iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    selling this one, because it's not built for any of our consumption quite yet.

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    Toyota FT-86

    Work just mushes on for Toyota as they plan on creating a new performance division. Either in addition to or replacing TRD, as the article on Edmunds Inside Line announces. Just a small diversion from all of the confusion and anger perpetrating towards the Japanese automaker right now.

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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    By Emily Fredrix And Erin Mcclam, The Associated Press
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    Toyota executives have been virtually silent amid a recall of millions of their cars because gas pedals can become dangerously stuck. For their customers, oh, what a feeling - fear, frustration, confusion and anger.

    Since Tuesday, when the Japanese automaker said it would stop making and selling some of its top-selling models, the company has had few answers for dealers and drivers - most notably about when Toyota owners could get their cars fixed and hit the road without worrying.

    "I'm stuck with this car," said Tony Raasch of Hales Corners, Wis., who said he hit another driver in his 2010 Corolla two weeks ago when the car suddenly accelerated. "I really don't know what to do. I just feel - I guess - ripped off is the best way to put it."

    Toyota first recalled 2.3 million vehicles in the U.S. and 270,000 in Canada, including the popular Camry and Corolla, because of faulty gas pedals. Later in the week, it expanded the recall to Europe and recalled 1.1 million more in the U.S. because of floor mats that can catch the accelerator.

    Three days after the recall announcement, there was still no indication of how long it might take to get the affected Toyotas fixed or whether that would involve repairing the gas pedal systems or replacing them altogether.

    It took until Friday for CEO Akio Toyoda to make his first public comments about the recalls. Buttonholed by a camera crew at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he told Japanese broadcaster NHK: "I am very sorry that we are making our customers feel concerned."

    In its worst crisis in recent memory, the company has communicated with the public mostly through a series of very limited statements. One spokesman, Brian Lyons, said initially he was restricted to describing the problem as "rare and infrequent."

    The company said it began shipping gas pedal parts to its dealers Friday, but could not say when they would arrive. Toyota said details on the fix will be made available sometime next week.

    Among Toyota's famously loyal customer base, frustration and anger mounted through the week.

    Laurie Strong, a nurse from Bristol, R.I., drives a 2010 Camry and said she noticed the gas pedal seemed too sensitive - "0 to 40 in a parking lot" - when she bought the car last summer. She went to the dealership Wednesday and refused to drive it anymore.

    Strong, who was ultimately given a Kia, said she had repeatedly dialled a Toyota hot line only to get a message saying it could not handle calls. A Toyota customer for years, she now says she's put off.

    "I would be less upset and less confused if I had a person on the other end of the phone who could talk to me and tell me what my options are - what they think quite honestly, what the time frame for figuring this out and putting this into motion."

    It made for a maddening week for Toyota dealers, too. Jason Stewart, general manager of a dealership in North Palm Beach, Fla., said he doesn't know what to tell customers and has found out more about the problem from watching the news than from Toyota.

    "People on the phone, they're very scared," said Douglas Lima, the service manager at Toyota Central in downtown Los Angeles. "I received phone calls screaming and yelling and using bad words. You just hear them out."

    On Friday, Toyota's website was featuring bold, brightly coloured ads for its cars and trucks, like the Prius and the 4Runner. At the bottom of the home page was a small strip with a link to information on the recall.

    Even some prominent rental-car companies went further than Toyota did, sending their customers emails throughout the week keeping them posted - in most cases saying they were removing all of the affected models from their fleets.

    Toyota's response, by contrast, has left experts in crisis management scratching their heads. Some wondered why Toyota didn't mount a full-court press - full-page ads in newspapers, executives readily available to the morning shows, ramped-up customer service.

    Toyota is certainly no stranger to advertising. The company alone - not its dealers - spent US$629.4 million on it in the first nine months of last year, according to Kantar Media, which tracks advertising spending.

    A simple, honest, humble message would have gone a long way, said Jonathan Bernstein, president of Bernstein Crisis Management. He said the company should have sent the word out online, by email, with letters - whatever it takes.

    His suggestion: Toyota should say it was as surprised as anyone by the scope of the problem and deeply regrets the inconvenience, and pledge to get up to speed as quickly as possible and provide regular updates.

    "Any time there's a threat to health or safety, there's nothing that creates bigger concern. Nothing that freaks people out more," he said. "You're dealing with very intense feelings, and that requires sensitive and appropriate communications."

    The Associated Press requested interviews Friday with Yoshi Inaba, chairman and CEO of Toyota Motor North America, the company's top U.S. executive. It also requested interviews with other top executives. A spokesman said he would look into the request. Telephone and email messages left for the safety public relations team at Toyota were not returned Friday.

    In the meantime, drivers like Johnathan Jones, who lives in Fort Mitchell, Ala., and has a 30-mile commute each way in his 2009 Tundra, will keep waiting.

    "I've got a $30,000 vehicle and they don't even know how to fix it," he said, huffing. "To me, it's a big safety hazard with my children. I don't want to even put them in there."
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Yeah, but let's just home the Toyota FT-86 can stop. :)

    Meanwhile, Toyota remains not allowed to sell most of its models:

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    maple2maple2 Member Posts: 177
    This isn't Toyota's excuse. It's the action that NHTSA forced on Toyota so that stupid owners and others ( like stupid Lexus dealers ) would have a larger margin of error in case these morons decided to try to kill themselves and others by stacking multiple mats on top of one another.

    Basically NHTSA is saying that some in the driving public are going to do stupid things. We're going to force you to try to compensate for these dopes by putting more space in the footwell - just in case someone does an idiotic thing like put an SUV All Weather mat into the footwell of a smaller sedan...then not secure it in place. This recall is the NHTSA thumping its chest


    So IOW you are saying that toyota owners as a group are less intelligent than the rest of the population? Thanks for clearing that up, I always kinda suspected it :shades:
    which would explain why it is only toyota having this problem
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    This would be the position of the NHTSA. Obviously there are stupid people causing accidents and deaths such as the Lexus dealer and others who would put multiple mats on top of one another without securing them. The NHTSA since it couldn't find anything wrong in its own investigations decided that it had to do something in order to seem to be in charge. So it forced Toyota to do this bogus voluntary recall No 1 on reshaping the pedals and removing padding under the pedal. It placated the NHTSA.

    But while investigating these reports, some with mats like in SD and some without mats involved, Toyota on its own discovered the more likely source of the problem where no mats were involved. That would be the sticky pedal mechanism; thus recall No 2. This one IMO his founded more in fact than politics.
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    I see by your lack of response that
    a) you have no source for your statement
    b) you have no expert data or facts to substantiate it
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Toyota's response:

    Toyota Answers Questions About the Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall
    Toyota answers questions that we see you are asking about the sticking accelerator pedal recall. Please also looks at Frequently Asked Questions For Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall and Suspension of Sales on this site.

    1. Is my car safe to drive until a fix is issued?
    The condition is rare and generally does not occur suddenly. It seems to occur when the pedal mechanism becomes worn and, in certain conditions, the accelerator pedal may become harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, stuck in a partially depressed position.

    2. What do I do if I experience a sticking accelerator pedal before the fix is finalized? Should I bring my car to a dealer?
    If you are experiencing this condition, immediately contact your nearest Toyota Dealer for assistance. No action is required at this time unless you feel you are experiencing this condition.

    For details on what you should do if you experience a sticking accelerator pedal while driving, please review the Frequently Asked Questions For Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall and Suspension of Sales on this site.

    3. What is the actual issue affecting accelerator pedals?
    In rare instances, there is a possibility that the affected accelerator pedal may stick in a partially downward position or slowly return to the non-pressed position.

    4. Is there actually a problem with the vehicle’s computer/Electronic Control Unit?
    Absolutely not. Toyota has never found an incident of unintended acceleration caused by the vehicle’s computer/electronic control unit.

    5. Can I return my vehicle to Toyota if I purchased it in the five day period between the recall was announcement and Toyota stop sale on my vehicle? What are my options?
    Toyota will work with customers who have concerns about their vehicles on a case-by-case basis.

    6. How will Toyota handle fixing all affected vehicles in a timely manner?
    Toyota is currently finalizing its recall remedy plans including a rapid deployment strategy of said remedy. Please continue to visit this site for updates on the recall.

    7. Is this different than the Floor Mat Recall? If so, how?
    There are two different recalls. Some vehicles are affected by both.

    Sticking Pedal Accelerator Recall: The condition can occur in rare instances, over time, under certain environmental conditions - there is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to idle position.

    Potential Floor Mat Interference with Accelerator Pedal Recall: This condition is the potential for an unsecured or incompatible driver’s floor mat to interfere with or entrap the accelerator pedal and cause it to get stuck in the wide open position. Toyota has determined that this condition can occur in vehicles in which the driver’s side floor mat is not compatible with the vehicle and/or is not properly secured.

    8. What if my vehicle is affected by both recalls? Which will be addressed first?
    It is Toyota’s intention to remedy both at the same time.

    9. Why are mechanically similar Lexus and Scion vehicles not affected by this recall?
    The recall affected pedal is confined to one of Toyota’s suppliers. That supplier’s pedals are not used on Lexus and Scion vehicles.

    10. Which models are affected by the sticky accelerator pedal recall/stop sale?
    Toyota’s accelerator pedal recall and suspension of sales is confined to the following Toyota Division vehicles:

    * Certain 2009-2010 RAV4,
    * Certain 2009-2010 Corolla,
    * 2009-2010 Matrix,
    * 2005-2010 Avalon,
    * Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
    * Certain 2010 Highlander,
    * 2007-2010 Tundra,
    * 2008-2010 Sequoia

    Highlander hybrids and Camry hybrids are not affected by this action and will remain for sale.

    Further, Camry, RAV 4, Corolla and Highlander vehicles with VINs that begin with "J" are not affected and will remain for sale.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    For as much as you defend Toyota, you either work for them or own too much Toyota stock.

    First Toyota said it was the driver causing the problem, then they said it was the floor mat, now they want you to believe the pedal. Come on, this has been going on for years now, either this some bigger coverup going on or they have been focusing too much of their effort on growth and ignored quality along the way.

    Oh, and I really like the part of Toyota telling customers "if" they experience this problem, to bring the car into the dealer and they will fix. No they cannot because the so called pedal problem does not have a fix for existing customers yet as Toyota is more concerned about new sales so they are sending the pedals to the factories.

    Sorry, but this is just another poor excuse by Toyota trying to address another one of their quality problems under the rug. Think you need to go back and read up on the history of the Rustundra.

    Believe what you want, but seems this time Toyota has finally gotten what they have deserved, or should I say covered up, for years. :sick:
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    maple2maple2 Member Posts: 177
    The NHTSA since it couldn't find anything wrong in its own investigations decided that it had to do something in order to seem to be in charge. So it forced Toyota to do this bogus voluntary recall No 1 on reshaping the pedals and removing padding under the pedal. It placated the NHTSA.

    100% bogus....toyota in fact was the one that jumped the gun and tried to tell the world that there was nothing to see here its just those darn floor mats again. nothing else ...just floormats. That is when the NHTSA stepped in and said "not so fast there amigo, if you think it is the mats than your going to do something about it. BUT we are still going to get the real culprit and you will fix that too"

    Which is how we came to this latest gas pedal recall which is the real bogus issue because toyota admits that no accident has been caused by the "faulty pedal" .
    So what is causing the SUA? Who knows, "cough software cough" :lemon:
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,178
    >Because they are not yet sure the gas pedal assembly is the core problem.
    So divert the public's attention in the same way a magician does.

    I just read that the mechanism actually giving the position signal for the accelerator sensor is NOT the problem. That's what I inferred from the earlier toyo statements. A worker related to toyota said here that it's the brass bushings that jam. That is a different herring. So the bushings keep the actual pedal from returning to idle position. I find it amazing that toyota claimed the moisture presence affects the bushing and the axle within in their relative movement. The person in the disassembly video showed how strong the single return spring is.

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    774774 Member Posts: 101
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/toyota-recall-gas-pedal-quick-fix-9696422

    Another video with some information about the current problem
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Yeah, that is what I don't get, surprised Toyota didn't try issue a recall on the Floor Mats, oh, but wait, that wasn't even really the problem as they kept saying there was no problem and it was as a result of the driver.

    The pedal fix is yet another attempt to avoid the problem. Come on, how many people are doing to have to die or be injured before this is actually addressed?

    Presenting the new 2010 Toyota (doesn't really matter which of their models you pick):

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    houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,328
    Come on revit, it has been years since Toyota turned down your credit ap for that new Echo. Time to get over it. :P

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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    ...with solid facts and recommendations with a knowledable source.

    Here is the AutoBlog link with an unemotional explanation based on fact along with solid recommendations on what to do in any modern vehicle where this might occur.

    video explanation of the potential CTS-made accelerator problem

    We're all gearheads here at Autoblog, with varying degrees of mechanical competence. But when the time comes to get technical – really technical – we inevitably hit up our own Sam Abuelsamid to get into the nitty gritty of modern automobiles.

    Sam spent the better part of two decades working on anti-lock brake, traction and stability control systems, which means he brings a particularly keen insight to the recent Toyota recall. So Mr. A sat down with AOL Autos' Reilly Brennan and the accelerator pedal from a 2009 Toyota Camry for an impromptu deep-dive into what's causing the unintended acceleration issue and what owners of the affected models can do if their throttle pedal is pinned to the floor. Check it out after the jump and be sure to share it with anyone you know who's manning one of the eight recalled vehicles.


    While AutoBlog is in no way 'in-the-know' about this issue it does present a balanced and knowledgable explanation with a seemingly knowledgable representative.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Come on revit, it has been years since Toyota turned down your credit ap for that new Echo. Time to get over it

    Yeah, you wish. :) I went with the 2009 Toyota Camry, my first Toyota, and am seriously regretting.
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    imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,178
    Someone posted this a few posts back apparent sent to toyota salespeople:

    "4. Is there actually a problem with the vehicle’s computer/Electronic Control Unit?
    Absolutely not. Toyota has never found an incident of unintended acceleration caused by the vehicle’s computer/electronic control unit."

    I will predict that toyota will rue that statement also.

    Is there a link for this post?
    Is there expert data or facts to substantiate it?

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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    First, it was the driver causing the problem, sometimes.
    Second, it was the Lexus dealer causing the problem, sometimes.
    Third, there were no problems, simply fabrications, sometimes.
    Fourth, there were definitely people taking the opportunity to gain monetarily from the fallout of this issue, sometimes.
    Fifth, there were people who encountered sticky pedals, sometimes.

    Trying to sort all these out didn't happen at the first occurance or the 10th or the 100th occurance. Screaming 'Off with their heads' is what the crowds in France did in the 1800's. Having engineers take the time to identify the actual problem and then to design and test the right solution is 21st Century engineering.

    You yourself in a number of your own posts have said that CTS has stated that the incidents across 2+ million units is very very isolated. You also noted that they also have stated that no one has been injured or killed as a result of this issue. The hysteria that you're trying to foment is simply to generate attention.

    In the long view, this too shall pass and life will go on. Fixes will be installed and new pedals designed and installed and sales will resume.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Is there a link for this post?

    Here is the story that started it all:

    Toyota found to keep tight lid on potential safety problems
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    Then there was the response Toyota was forced to provide to save their image:

    Toyota responds to L.A. Times article

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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Nope I was 100% accurate. YOU said so in your own post. Here is what you wrote...

    toyota in fact was the one that jumped the gun and tried to tell the world that there was nothing to see here its just those darn floor mats again.

    So what did the NHTSAfinally 'force' Toyota to do in the 4.6 million unit recall back in November? It forced Toyota to reshape the gas pedal to allow for greater clearance underneath in the unlikely event that still another stupid person might stack more than one floormat on top of the OEM floormat and then not secure it properly.

    Then as a double precaution it 'forced' Toyota to take padding out from the floorpan underneath the pedal to allow for greater clearance underneath, again in the unlikely event that still another stupid person might stack more than one floormat on top of the OEM floormat.

    This was the November recall No 1. The NHTSA wanted to be the hero in solving the floormat issue. It was all bogus IMO, but those are the facts. Disputing them is senseless.

    This new issue with the pedal is entirely different.
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    For those that still want to convince themself that Toyota took aggressive action for the sake of the consumer...Turns out, the decision to stop producing these vehicles wasn't made by Toyota alone. The Detroit News reports that Toyota is required by law to stop selling the vehicles since there is no fix available yet.

    Nevertheless, Toyota spokesman Mike Michels is reported saying that the company's decision to stop selling the recalled vehicles was voluntary, but that they also had a legal requirement to do so. How do you voluntary do something that you're obligated to do?

    Toyota was legally required to stop selling recalled models
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Yep absolutely agree. Good post.

    This is where Toyota slapped the LAT down for fabricating facts and misrepresenting Toyota's answers. I'm glad that you posted the reference to it. It's what shut up the LAT and stopped it in its tracks.
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    delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Ho , ho, ho !! Now we know the real reason for Toyota bashing !!! :P Seriously,toyotas are really good vehicles.. They are just making a mountain of a molehill!!
    Are you selling your 09 Camry?? I am interested if the dealer lowballs you and if it is paid for ?? :shades:
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    revitrevit Member Posts: 476
    This is where Toyota slapped the LAT down for fabricating facts and misrepresenting Toyota's answers. I'm glad that you posted the reference to it. It's what shut up the LAT and stopped it in its tracks.

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    Is that how you viewed it? Too funny cause the rest of us saw it as Toyota's continued cover up and more excuses.
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    kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    The facts speak for themselves. The LAT shup up after Toyota posted it's reponse.

    The long view is that the fixes will be made, new pedals will be installed and production/sales will resume.
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    explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,406
    i've watched a couple these 'dissect the pedal' videos.
    There is the pedal may not return due to some manufacturing flaw (see referenced video).
    There is the one additional floor mat could cause the pedal to not return.
    Does this cover all the North American problems?
    Why are the same vehicles being recalled in Asia and Europe?
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