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Couple of times I've autoxed, I got to see 2002s run, and they come out of each corner sideways, but the drivers would stay on the gas, and the cars would straighten themselves out most of the time.
I've managed to get my rear to break loose a little coming out of a corner, and steady power, with smooth steering straighten me out.
I never figured out front wheel drive (60% weight over the fronts). However, I never did try braking before the turn and then turning the wheel. On the edge of traction in a turn, the FWD would push whether I pressed on the accelerator or lifted the accelerator. I never felt like I had control over the car. The only way I could get it to swing its tail was to use the hand-brake.
I just recently ordered a new 2002 330i (waiting for 2 month delivery); i just had a question for you guyz...after spending half the morning negotiating on the price the salesperson quoted me a price and i asked him does this include everything except for tax/title/license and he said yes...when i went home i noticed that he never mentioned the $397 dealer services fee which was pre-printed on the order which adds to the total price...i couldn't help but feel a bit cheated...has this happened to any of you guys? Also is MACO a genuine fee($700) that they can add to the Kelley Blue Book invoice price?
I still managed to get the car for $500 below MSRP but i just can't get over the fact that the salesperson was so sneaky not to mention the dealer fees. What do you guys think?
Where are you from? I still haven't made a final decision on what I will be getting (3 or 5 or M3) in a couple of months but have done enough research to know I can get either a 3 or a 5 for about $1,200 to $1,500 over invoice. That works out to about $2,600 under MSRP on a well equiped 330i. I could also go European Delivery and save another $2,300 (ends up being almost $5,000 under US MSRP). Example: 330i 5-speed, sport package, premium package, xenons, metallic paint. MSPR $39,910. Invoice - $35,880. My price in US $37,250. My price European Delivery - $34,950.
Keep shopping!!
Best Regards,
Shipo
The owners manual says to depress the gas pedal beyond the resistance point (with the car shut off, I assume, ofcource) in order to activate, and to get a more responsive driving experience. I thought that's what the sports mode did.
Are you really getting $35K for 330 with PP, SP, Xenons and Mettalic? My dealer quoted 34K for 325 coupe with PP, SP and Metallic. ( no xenons)
I heard that there is a fixed price on ED, Am I right? Cant we negotiate the price on ED?
Because My dealer says it is not possible to negotiate the ED price. He just manages to convince me with it. I dunno how. I live in Boston, and my dealer gave me $1300 under MSRP. And around this area, this is the best price I am heard. Any suggestions.
I am inclined to 330, but the only fact that it costs me another 3-4K, makes me feel helpless. That sucks. But thats life.
Thanks!
Oh, and get this - the base price of a 2001 Pontiac Aztek GT AWD is $26,915. It's about the same as the 325 and it comes with one pony extra -185 vs. 184.
Maybe Audi can beat that by converting the trunk into a bedroom/bathroom.
"you can take a dump in our cars"
dave
A dealer selling a car at ED list makes the same profit as if he sold a US delivered car for full MSRP. Obviousely, if they are willing to sell a car for $1,200 to $1,500 over US invoice, they should be willing to do the same for ED. It is more paperwork, but not that difficult. Keep shopping.
Check out www.eurobuyers.com for more info on ED pricing.
The owners manual says to depress the gas pedal beyond the resistance point (with the car shut off, I assume, ofcource) in order to activate, and to get a more responsive driving experience. I thought that's what the sports mode did.
Any thoughts???
I dont mind driving all the way to PA for such a deal.
Help is very appreciated, Friend.
Hey guys, I am unable to make a decision, as to what to take. Z06 is 50K with 0%financing. 325 is 36K with 6% financing. After 4months....Z06 works out to be 3-4K more. But again it is a Vette.
I need your friendly views. I know it is the wrong board to post in, but I also know that it is the *only * board that helps its friends.
JMHO of course.
But 325 which is V6, and compared to fastest car below 50K??
I dunno...why is it so hard to make decisions?
How about the Vette with kidney grill.
Hmmmmm...Wish I had a genie( I mean the real genie)
I'm looking to purchase a 2002 330i 5-speed before the end of the year, with the following options: SP, PP, CWP, bi-xenon. From reading some of the posts here, I'm under the impression that the target purchase price for this car with these options should be in the $1,200 to $1,500 over invoice range, including all add-on dealer fees. Is that true also here in Southern California? Also, is there a local dealer that you can recommend? Also is the over invoice pricing the same for special ordering the car and for buying the car off the lot?
Recently I test drove the following BMWs, all with 5-speeds and SP and PP: the 528 and loved it. Until I drove the 530. The 530 was much more responsive with its more powerful engine. But there was a substantial price differencial between the 2000 528 and a new 530. Then I drove a new 2001 330i, and loved it. Fast, fun and handled great. It had the feel I was looking for. And it was more in line with my budget, being about $6K less than the new 530 with the same options. Also test drove and dismissed for various reasons other cars such as the Audi A6-2.7t 6-speed, Lexus IS300 5-speed, GS 400, Lincoln LS-8 and the Acura TL-S.
One more question. The dealer can offer 5.9% financing on remaining 2001s, but a much higher rate on 2002s. From your experience, when do you think the BMW financing rates will drop for the 2002s?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Michael
325 is a four seater, high quality, initial free service, fairly quiet with relatively high ground clearance, etc.
The vette is faster, but is a 2 seater with limited celarance--etc.
If your goal is to have a very fast flashy car, the vette is better.
If you want a practical car that is also very quick, the 325i is better.
Also, it will take a lot of free interest to make a vette price competitive with a 325--if you can find a 2001 and get the 0% for 60 months, you'd be paying about $750 a month for a coupe. Still not bad for such a fast car, though.
dave
I have been reading a lots of good posts here and finalized to 325i. However, I have heard from some where that the 2003 new facelift is coming soon. If the new facelift 325i coming with in a few months, I would wait for it. Any feed back would be much appreciated
Regards,
Myron
In order not to clog this board, you can e-mail me at skobola@cyberdude.com (which is also in my profile). Also, if you have any other advice(s), they will be appreciated. Thank you very much.
In any event, an '03 facelift wouldn't be until this time next year.
its a shame that buying such a great product has to involve such shady characters.
Buyer beware! Avoid Momentum BMW Southwest in houston! They might as well have hired someone to mug me on the way out and take all the money i had on hand because that is what it felt like after seeing those extra dealer fees after we agreed on a price.
Someone should set up an internet site where consumers can rate dealerships.
BTW, I am amazed that people are ACTUALLY getting over 2 thousand off MSRP. I am getting about 1500 off MSRP in San Diego, only because they messed up my original order (we originally negotiated the price for a 2001). I was told that 2002's will be sold at MSRP for at least a few months. Call me crazy, but why would a dealer give a $2000 discount for one of the most popular cars in America right after a model update that will make it even more popular?
Myron