Hey guys, frequent lurker here. We have a GG 2000 EX that my wife uses to haul the young-uns around. It was in mint shape, only 11k miles. Yesterday she was t-boned by a lady in a Camry. The brunt of the hit was on the drivers side door and trailing edge of the front fender. The door is warped, barely shuts, and the fender is quite tweaked. Otherwise it didn't appear too bad. When I got in to drive the car 2 blocks home I noticed that the front wheels were severely toed-out and had tons of negative camber as well. Looking underneath the control arms and everything look to be OK. I'm wondering if the steering rack got broken. I'm not fluent on the design of the front suspension, so what could have broken to cause the severe misalignment? The car did steer, but not very well. I just got it towed to the body shop. Any ideas?
Anyone have the new DVD System in the 2002 Ody EXL? The literature says that you can hook up "video games and camcorder" for viewing on the screen. Is this hookup via RCA inputs? Anyone know if these hookups can be used to patch in RCA's from a VCR?
I would expect the used car market to be stronger when the economy is down, because people are choosing to replace their worn out cars with used instead of new, increasing demand. Plus people are hanging on to their new cars longer, decreasing the supply of late model used cars. Thus prices should be stronger.
Just picked it up from the dealer 5 hours ago. First Impressions: Michelin Symmetry Tires fairly noisy on concrete road surfaces. I am switching them out tomorrow for Bridgestone Potenza RE910. I had them on my '99 Ody and they were terrific in all weather conditions and very quiet. Engine is noticably stronger, especially in the 20-60 mph range. At 70, the engine was turning about 1950 RPM. Ride quality feels very similar to previous model, maybe a tad softer. Handling seemed a little more neutral, less understeer than before. Definitely quieter in the cabin at speeds above 65 mph. Standard stereo has more wattage, and the speakers are significantly better than my '99. Substantially more Bass and more volume are available. There is more of screwed-together-better feel to the interior. The 4 bucket seats are more "buckety", that is , more scooped out on the back-rest, so they hold you in better on turns. Lumbar support on the front driver's seat is just OK- dosen't do much for me. Steering wheel is thicker, much more comfortable to hold over long distances. Paint finish is good, better than my '99, but not as good as cheaper cars such as - PT Cruiser, and VW Beetle. (WHY?) Body panel fit is pretty good, again better than my '99. The sliding doors especially fit well. Will follow up in the next few weeks as I break the Ody in.
Yes. The number one idea is take it to a Honda dealer body shop. They are the ones most likely to have the know how to fix it right. Also they are the ones most likely to make it like new. The will have the experance. Those power doors take special care to get them to work right again.
No need to worry what broke. Let them figure that out. My 2000 EX Odyssey had both passenger doors smashed. And the dealer told me it took a lot of work to get them to work right. The car is just like new now. I only took it back to repaint the door handles and trim around the handles, as the paint ran around those areas, because of all the sharp curves in that area.
Figure about 1 week to schedule it in. 2-3 weeks to get the parts and 2-3 weeks to fix it. Even though I have State Farm. I dealt with the other guys insurance myself. That way I got a rental car and there was no deductible. Ask your insurance company about that option. It was no hassle for me.
Trade in values will be softer for the pre-2002's ODY's. I was able to get 26K for my 2001 EX GG on Aug31 from the same dealer we are getting our 2002 EX GG L-RES from next week. I don't think I could get the same deal today based on the economy after the 11th of Sept. True, we will soon see 2002's below MSRP,(Spring?) but the 2001's and older models will also command less trade-in value based on many factors to include the major-minor upgrades for 2002 with the ODY. If you can get 24K for your 2001 ODY you will be ahead of the game. Longer a person waits, the softer the 2001's will be. Sorry to be a bearer of not so great news...
Actually if you want to save the most money put about 100,000 to 150,000 miles on you car. By then it will have very little trade in value. You are saving money every year however, and that money you can then use to pay cash for your next vehicle.
The differences between the 99, 00, 01, and 02 are probably not significant enough, to make it worth while to trade in, unless you don't care about the extra cost. An example of what would be significant would be a 98 Odyssey and the others.
It has been shown that the longer you keep your vehicle, the more money you save. However at around 100,000 to 150,000 the vehicle begins to become too unreliable to count on, for long trips. If you use the vehicle as a second car you can get even more miles out of it.
So if you are thinking you will save money by trading in your 2001 for a 2002 Odyssey--well you will not.
I'm a newbie to this forum, and just starting to shop for a 2002, so here's my first couple of questions--with more to come I'm sure ;-)
With the increased production from two manufacturing plants now, coupled with low consumer confidence, do you think we’ll see prices coming down below MSRP aytime soon? If so, when will the exact window of opportunity be--around the holidays?? Or do I have to wait until next spring?
Also, my wife and I shopping for an LX (probably), but since the EX is apparently the most popular model, do you think we could get a beter deal on an LX? However, a salesman told me that that LXs are only about 10% of production, whereas EXs make up 90%. Is this true?
Thanks for the imput. Just one question. With the Firestone/Bridgestone tire mess you sure have more guts than I do about putting Bridgestones on your new van.
Your salesman told you the truth about the breakdowns on Odys. It is even getting more complicated because of the 'leather' issues.
Even though they are starting up the Al plant, the Ontario plant will cease Ody production and go to full time Acura MDX and Honda "whatever name they decide to give it" (the Honda's MDX)
Bottom line is this, if you are in the market for an Odyssey, put in your order and get it built.
Thanks for the info larry110. Thats a big plus for me since most of the kiddie video library is still on tape!! This BB is great. It gives all of us a resource to go to other than your ""Knowledgeable"" (Not!!) Honda Sales Rep.
i like the idea on the tire change out.. how did you swing that? did you just swap at a tire store or did you have resell the old tires on your own? or did the dealer do an even change out for you?
I found that for me there was not enough leg room in the passenger seat. My legs hit the dash, anyway, any more room for the passenger (leg room) in the 2002 model?
Gasoline is pretty much all the same, it's the additive packages that make the differences between brands. As far as I'm concerned, Chevron makes the best additives.
Are there any differences between Oddessy's manufactured in the USA vs. those manufactured in Canada? After waiting a month and a half, I am being offered a 2002 Oddessy Ex L RES at MSRP + Tax and destination. This vehicle is being shipped from Canada and is scheduled to arrive shortly.
The color is Redrock Pearl. Anyone seen this color yet??
Am I missing something? I have a 01 EX-Nav and while at the Honda Odyssey site I was looking at the latest update for the Nav. version 2.05. On the order screen there is a Faq. where you can click on it to get answers to questions. This one puzzles me. Q. My elevation seems to fluctuate when I know my elevation has not changed. Why does it vary?
A. The Navigation System elevation accuracy depends on calculations based on received satellite data. The movement of the satellites and changing atmospheric conditions cause fluctuations in these calculations. The accuracy of the elevation can vary up to 30 meters. Where does it tell me my elevation or is this a new feature of 2.05?
All Odysseys are manufactured in Canada. They have just finished the American Plant and are slowly coming on line to build all of them here but won't reach full production until sometime next spring. I would go with the Canada Odyssey as they have been building them since the beginning and the quality I'm sure will be better. Of course they also make a version of the Odyssey just for Canada but some dealers here in the states have been buying them cheaper and trying to peddle them here with an aftermarket warranty as Honda won't honor the warranty here unless you are a Canadian citizen here on vacation or etc.
In reply to the post about switching out the standard Michelin Symmetry Tires for the Bridgestone Potenza RE910- I have only had excellent experiences with Bridgestone tires, and especially the Potenza line. Potenzas are used on some pretty high performance vehicles (like the Audi TT) and have little in common with Firestone products, despite sharing the same corporate ownership. Potenza Tires use a patented technology called Uni-T, which is not just advertising hype. It allows the tread on the Potenza tire to retain it's original stickiness even as the tire ages and wears down. I had swtiched out the original Firestones on my 99 Ody for a set of Pirelli Sport Veloce 6000's. That was a huge mistake. The tires were way too soft and floppy to handle the over 4000 pound weight of the Ody. I then switched to the Potenzas and was amazed at the huge difference in ride quality, noise, and handling- both in the wet & dry. My local tire dealer (an independently owned business) will give me about $50 as a trade in per tire for my Michelins, as long as I don't put on more than 50 miles on them. The new tires cost about $100 each with mounting and balancing, so the net amount for 4 tires will be $200. I think that is cheap for the huge increase in quality I'll be experiencing. By the way, I paid MSRP for my '02 Ody. Lastly, sorry, there is no more legroom in the '02 Ody than any previous version...........
A few hundred messages ago, Phoenix 2001 was talking about buying an Odyssey at an El Paso or Albuquerque dealer. I live in El Paso and bought my Odyssey in Albuquerque. STAY AWAY FROM GARCIA HONDA in ABQ. They changed the deal after we agreed but before delivery. I just bought a new Accord from Borman in Las Cruces, NM. They were a pleasure to deal with. I wouldn't recommend El Paso Honda to my dog. Phil
believe it or not.....there has ben an Odyssey sitting on the lot of a Honda dealer in New York for a weekthat I know of..could be a sign of the times? Maybe people aren't buying so fast due to the events of the last few weeks......
Very true....We need a new van...we'll be buying very soon..trying to hold out as long as I can to keep the payment down..glad to see there is beginning to be a few Odysseys lasting on the new car lot
That is a supprise seeing that there seems to be a lot of Odyssey owners here that are trading in or talking of trading in their 99/00's and even a couple of 01 owners too.
well...why buy used when you can buy new for a few dollars more....glad to see the "list" for the Odyssey is becoming a thing of the past..hopefully it will bring down the price below msrp!
While surfing the different Odyssey sites I have bookmarked I found that at the Classic site they have a special on Leather for the Odyssey. No more high prices from the dealers you can arrange through any Classic Soft Trim retailer to have a 2001 Odyssey completely done in leather for $1099. They are also advertising a sunroof for the Odyssey also, but no price. The web site is www.classicsofttrim.com
I've read many posts now, where people are speculating that once the Alabama factory is up to full capacity, the increased supply will cause prices to drop below MSRP. I'm not complaining about paying MSRP, but if we could get ours lower by waiting, we would.
1. Can anyone tell me how many Odysseys are produced in Canada annually now? How many more units will the Alabama plant be able to produce and when will they be at full capacity?
2. Many of you seem to have reservations about buying one built by the Alabama plant. Can someone explain this to me? Is the consensus that we have more confidence in Canadian workers than in Americans? Kind of a sad statement, don't you think? No offense to you Canadians.
I don't think it will really matter as far as output since once the US plant comes up to full production the plant in Canada switches to the new Honda MDX or what ever it will be called. This being the 3rd year of the Odyssey may play a bigger role in the price coming down than the new plant.
Hi, I lived in Northwest Florida, I plan to trade in my 01 ody ex for 02. Is there anyone knows any dealer around here give a good trade in value for the van? Can anyone give me an estimate how much the van worth with 7600 miles on it? Thanks.
yennhi .............why would you trade in the 01 with only 7600 miles on it for a 02? "Is there anyone knows any dealer around here give a good trade in value for the van?" thats a laugh ...dealer/trade in! "Can anyone give me an estimate how much the van is worth with 7600 miles on it?" K's less than the 02! good luck...VALUE is a funny concept here.
Canada plant been assembling the Odyssey since 1999 and has experience (some gained the hard way - there were 4 or so recalls on '99s and '00s), seems to have worked out glitches by now. New plant - posibly new problems. Only time will tell. However, since many components are produced elsewhere and shipped to the plant, it's not like starting from square one, but I would let the first few vans from Ala be someone else's $26-30k experiment.
I do not know how many vans Ala is slated to produce, but my understanding of the Canadian plant's output is that 2 shifts go to Odyssey, one to MDX, so if similar production #'s in Ala are dedicated to 100% Odyssey, production can potentially increase about 1/3.
Be interested in hearing about the deals you have managed with such trades taking all fees into account.
I have heard that you lose 30% the first year on a vehicle. So taking the cost of a 01, which with destination charges, was about $27,200.
So you lose 30% of that =$8160 + about another 7% for tax which is $1900 + about $150 for dealers fees + $300 for a cost increase/yr gives you a cost of $10,500.
Now considering that you can get a Warranty of 7yr/100k/0 ded for about $950, that means that your maintenance cost during the 7 years will be at 0 except for wear out items which you have to replace in any car. I would allow about $300/yr for wear out items.
Now lets compare the two over a 7 year period for costs.
Keeping your Odyssey for 7 years gives a total cost of $27,200 +$1900 + 150 +950 + 7x $300= $32,300 at the end of which it is probably worth about 25% = $6,800 So total cost for 7 yrs = $32,300 - $6800 =$25,500 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Now compare that to buying a new Odyssey every year. (27200 +1900 +150 +300)x7 = $204,750 - trade in cost= (27200 -30%)x7 = $205,750 - $133,280 =$72470 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx So unless I made a mistake in math you get
72,470-25,500 = $46970 or divided by 7, a cost of $6,710 more per year to have a new car every year. I see I did make a mistake and the number is actually $7,010/yr. Also the cost of insurance and license will be higher with the new vehicle every year. So add another $250 for that gives you about $7250/yrx7 =$50750 over the 7 years. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Well the bottom line is no matter how you do the math it is going to be expensive to trade a car in on a new one after you have only owned it a year. So before you consider it you may want to look carefully at all the actual costs.
This just occurred to me--Costco has that program where you can save money on the cost of a new car. I'm sure the Odyssey is an exception to this, but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone saved money on their new Odyssey by going through Costco?
Here the info I got from hondanews.com about the new plant:
"A new manufacturing facility capable of eventually producing 120,000 units per year will open in Lincoln, Alabama, in November. "
The Canada plant will no longer producing Odyssey as the Lincoln plant is put into full production. IN Canada plant, one shift is already producing ACURA MDX, the other shift will produce HONDA SUV. I'm highly doubt HONDA wants to reduce its value on Ody (as they also maintain MSRP pricing on other ACURA or HONDA cars). IMO, 120,000 /year is a lot VANS if you compare it with Chryster TC or Ford Winstar.
BTW, I love to buy the version of Ody produced by the same crew producing the award winning MDX.
When I bought my Ody 2001 EX in October 2000 in bay area (CA), I did go through Costco and ended up paying $1500 over MSRP.
According to the Internet Sales Manager of the dealership, they pay Costco for the lead but the price is still upto the dealership. [All you miss out is the horse trading :-)]
Look around for a dealer (Costco or other) who will sell you one for more money (short wait time) or less money(longer wait time).
If you buy through the Internet, most dealership offers delivery via one of three ways:
1. You Fly in, they pick you up at the airport, You drive your van back. 2. They drive your van to you and deliver with a full tank of gas. 3. They have it transported
You will be surprised how low Option 2 and 3 costs.
They handle road damage etc.,[for Options 2 and 3] by having it fixed at the local dealer to whom they pay for repairs.
I also own '01 EX and was considering in-dash CD changer but decided against it. Most (if not all) of the installed photos I saw were on LX model w/ the casette. I would just be sure that the CD player could tell which CD you wanted to play when you hit the 'CD' button - the main one or one of the changer's discs. Definately check w/ the dealer selling/installing the unit, and you may also want to check by calling Honda.
Fortunetly for all current ODY owners, we had the good sense to buy a well-built product and are not expierencing a 30% reduction after the first year. I swapped my 2001 EX GG with 6500 miles for a 2002 EXL-RES GG with the same Honda dealer in town and paid $4100 diff. They gave me 26K for my year old ODY. Checking other dealers around Arkansas, (Tulsa, OK, and Joplin, MO) the best they would do was about 24500-25000. For me, the $4100 difference was worth paying to obtain a vehicle that has evolved into a 240HP, 5sp Trans, with added safety side air bags. Add in the factory optioned Leather and DVD entertainment system (+3K over standard EX model), I feel I "upgraded" to a better vehicle for about 2K. If you are going to trade in your 00 or 01's I suggest you do it before year end. More Happy than before as a new 2002 ODY owner...
Okay, I know this is subjective, but when my wife and I first saw the Odyssey, we went "YUCK!" We don't like the angular, boxy look. Then we started reading all the reviews (Edmunds, etc.) and realized we were in a very small minority. We actually like the looks of the Sienna better, but the Edmunds reviewers all thought it was dull, bordering on ugly. So we have to decide if we want to drive a van that everyone else thinks is cool and we think is dorky or drive a van that we think is cool and everyone else thinks is dorky. Hmmm. Do you think cars are moving toward the Odyssey look? New styles take a while to catch on and we certainly don't want to be out of fashion! Should we get with the times or stick with our tastes?
The ody is an ugly vehicle. It does not compare with the looks of the Town & Country limited. I shopped both recently and put my $500 down on Aug 7 for a EXL-RES red rock pearl, delivery in early Nov. The reason I'm buying the Honda has everything to do with the fact that I currently own a '94 T&C that is on its third transmission at 100,000K . For $30,190 + tax, I want reliability and will settle for bland boxy look of the Odyssey. If Chrysler could deliver the quality that Honda has built its reputation on, then the Town & Country would be truly the best minivan ever.
Can you get the 2002 Ody EX with the Navigation system? Or do you need to have the leather interior in order to get the Navigation System?
I am not a big fan of leather in cars and would prefer the cloth interior. My father has a 2000 Ody EX with the Nav system and I have used it for an extended family trip. The Nav system was great and got us to where we needed to go without having to resort to using paper maps. I have another year left on the lease for my current minivan and I am considering the Odyssey as a replacement. I would like to have the Navigation system but I would rather not have the leather interior. Just curious if anyone knew if this was possible.
Of course, with all the people trading in their current Odysseys for a 2002, there may be a nice selection of older Odysseys with the Navigation system. I still have a year to wait and see but I like to do as much research as possible and there is no better time than the present to get started (plus, by the time my current lease runs out, they should be clearing out the 2002 model year and I could probably get a deal on a 2002 Ody . . . nice to know what my options are in advance).
I doubt that many people buy a minivan for its looks. A minivan is suppose to be a practical vehicle. In order to make it look better you would have to do things to it to that would make it less practical and reduce interior space.
The definition of a minivan is From the Encarta World English Dictionary
min·i·van [mínnee vàn] (plural min·i·vans) noun van for passengers and cargo: a small passenger van, often with seats that can be removed or rearranged to accommodate cargo
So a minivan is for the purpose of passengers and cargo. Not something of beauty to look at. So if you want a great looking vehicle, you may have to buy two cars, as I don't think that one car will do it.
Having just picked up my 2002 MB Ody EX, I also ordered an in-dash CD changer. I was informed that there is a button on the existing CD/AM/FM unit marked "SEL". That button is used to SELect the 6 cd changer instead of the single CD unit. It is the SAME button that is used to select the single CD accessory if you by the LX with a standard cassette unit. In essence, it is an on & off switch for any in-dash accessory. My 2 cents on the ODY styling- I agree that it's bland, & I prefer the look of the Chrysler products- BUT- automotive styling is definitely headed toward a return of more angular styling, a move away fron the roundish jelly-bean look of a lot of current vehicles. Look at the MDX as an example. LOts of angular creasing there..........
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First Impressions: Michelin Symmetry Tires fairly noisy on concrete road surfaces. I am switching them out tomorrow for Bridgestone Potenza RE910. I had them on my '99 Ody and they were terrific in all weather conditions and very quiet.
Engine is noticably stronger, especially in the 20-60 mph range. At 70, the engine was turning about 1950 RPM. Ride quality feels very similar to previous model, maybe a tad softer. Handling seemed a little more neutral, less understeer than before. Definitely quieter in the cabin at speeds above 65 mph. Standard stereo has more wattage, and the speakers are significantly better than my '99. Substantially more Bass and more volume are available. There is more of screwed-together-better feel to the interior. The 4 bucket seats are more "buckety", that is , more scooped out on the back-rest, so they hold you in better on turns. Lumbar support on the front driver's seat is just OK- dosen't do much for me. Steering wheel is thicker, much more comfortable to hold over long distances. Paint finish is good, better than my '99, but not as good as cheaper cars such as - PT Cruiser, and VW Beetle. (WHY?) Body panel fit is pretty good, again better than my '99. The sliding doors especially fit well. Will follow up in the next few weeks as I break the Ody in.
No need to worry what broke. Let them figure that out. My 2000 EX Odyssey had both passenger doors smashed. And the dealer told me it took a lot of work to get them to work right. The car is just like new now. I only took it back to repaint the door handles and trim around the handles, as the paint ran around those areas, because of all the sharp curves in that area.
Figure about 1 week to schedule it in. 2-3 weeks to get the parts and 2-3 weeks to fix it. Even though I have State Farm. I dealt with the other guys insurance myself. That way I got a rental car and there was no deductible. Ask your insurance company about that option. It was no hassle for me.
The differences between the 99, 00, 01, and 02 are probably not significant enough, to make it worth while to trade in, unless you don't care about the extra cost. An example of what would be significant would be a 98 Odyssey and the others.
It has been shown that the longer you keep your vehicle, the more money you save. However at around 100,000 to 150,000 the vehicle begins to become too unreliable to count on, for long trips. If you use the vehicle as a second car you can get even more miles out of it.
So if you are thinking you will save money by trading in your 2001 for a 2002 Odyssey--well you will not.
With the increased production from two manufacturing plants now, coupled with low consumer confidence, do you think we’ll see prices coming down below MSRP aytime soon? If so, when will the exact window of opportunity be--around the holidays?? Or do I have to wait until next spring?
Also, my wife and I shopping for an LX (probably), but since the EX is apparently the most popular model, do you think we could get a beter deal on an LX? However, a salesman told me that that LXs are only about 10% of production, whereas EXs make up 90%. Is this true?
Thanks in advance for your responses.
Even though they are starting up the Al plant, the Ontario plant will cease Ody production and go to full time Acura MDX and Honda "whatever name they decide to give it" (the Honda's MDX)
Bottom line is this, if you are in the market for an Odyssey, put in your order and get it built.
Jerry
The color is Redrock Pearl. Anyone seen this color yet??
Any input would be appreciated.
Q. My elevation seems to fluctuate when I know my elevation has not changed. Why does it vary?
A. The Navigation System elevation accuracy depends on calculations based on received satellite data. The movement of the satellites and changing atmospheric conditions cause fluctuations in these calculations. The accuracy of the elevation can vary up to 30 meters.
Where does it tell me my elevation or is this a new feature of 2.05?
My local tire dealer (an independently owned business) will give me about $50 as a trade in per tire for my Michelins, as long as I don't put on more than 50 miles on them. The new tires cost about $100 each with mounting and balancing, so the net amount for 4 tires will be $200. I think that is cheap for the huge increase in quality I'll be experiencing. By the way, I paid MSRP for my '02 Ody.
Lastly, sorry, there is no more legroom in the '02 Ody than any previous version...........
- Darell
Phil
Thanks
1. Can anyone tell me how many Odysseys are produced in Canada annually now? How many more units will the Alabama plant be able to produce and when will they be at full capacity?
2. Many of you seem to have reservations about buying one built by the Alabama plant. Can someone explain this to me? Is the consensus that we have more confidence in Canadian workers than in Americans? Kind of a sad statement, don't you think? No offense to you Canadians.
"Is there anyone knows any dealer around here give a good trade in value for the van?"
thats a laugh ...dealer/trade in!
"Can anyone give me an estimate how much the van is worth with 7600 miles on it?"
K's less than the 02! good luck...VALUE is a funny concept here.
I do not know how many vans Ala is slated to produce, but my understanding of the Canadian plant's output is that 2 shifts go to Odyssey, one to MDX, so if similar production #'s in Ala are dedicated to 100% Odyssey, production can potentially increase about 1/3.
I have heard that you lose 30% the first year on a vehicle. So taking the cost of a 01, which with destination charges, was about $27,200.
So you lose 30% of that =$8160 + about another 7% for tax which is $1900 + about $150 for dealers fees + $300 for a cost increase/yr gives you a cost of $10,500.
Now considering that you can get a Warranty of 7yr/100k/0 ded for about $950, that means that your maintenance cost during the 7 years will be at 0 except for wear out items which you have to replace in any car. I would allow about $300/yr for wear out items.
Now lets compare the two over a 7 year period for costs.
Keeping your Odyssey for 7 years gives a total cost of $27,200 +$1900 + 150 +950 + 7x $300= $32,300 at the end of which it is probably worth about 25% = $6,800
So total cost for 7 yrs = $32,300 - $6800 =$25,500
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Now compare that to buying a new Odyssey every year. (27200 +1900 +150 +300)x7 = $204,750 - trade in cost= (27200 -30%)x7 = $205,750 - $133,280 =$72470
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So unless I made a mistake in math you get
72,470-25,500 = $46970 or divided by 7, a cost of $6,710 more per year to have a new car every year. I see I did make a mistake and the number is actually $7,010/yr. Also the cost of insurance and license will be higher with the new vehicle every year. So add another $250 for that gives you about $7250/yrx7 =$50750 over the 7 years.
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Well the bottom line is no matter how you do the math it is going to be expensive to trade a car in on a new one after you have only owned it a year. So before you consider it you may want to look carefully at all the actual costs.
"A new manufacturing facility capable of eventually producing 120,000 units per year will open in Lincoln, Alabama, in November. "
The Canada plant will no longer producing Odyssey as the Lincoln plant is put into full production. IN Canada plant, one shift is already producing ACURA MDX, the other shift will produce HONDA SUV. I'm highly doubt HONDA wants to reduce its value on Ody (as they also maintain MSRP pricing on other ACURA or HONDA cars). IMO, 120,000 /year is a lot VANS if you compare it with Chryster TC or Ford Winstar.
BTW, I love to buy the version of Ody produced by the same crew producing the award winning MDX.
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According to the Internet Sales Manager of the dealership, they pay Costco for the lead but the price is still upto the dealership. [All you miss out is the horse trading :-)]
Look around for a dealer (Costco or other) who will sell you one for more money (short wait time) or less money(longer wait time).
If you buy through the Internet, most dealership offers delivery via one of three ways:
1. You Fly in, they pick you up at the airport, You drive your van back.
2. They drive your van to you and deliver with a full tank of gas.
3. They have it transported
You will be surprised how low Option 2 and 3 costs.
They handle road damage etc.,[for Options 2 and 3] by having it fixed at the local dealer to whom they pay for repairs.
the odyssey is practical and very versatile.
I am not a big fan of leather in cars and would prefer the cloth interior. My father has a 2000 Ody EX with the Nav system and I have used it for an extended family trip. The Nav system was great and got us to where we needed to go without having to resort to using paper maps. I have another year left on the lease for my current minivan and I am considering the Odyssey as a replacement. I would like to have the Navigation system but I would rather not have the leather interior. Just curious if anyone knew if this was possible.
Of course, with all the people trading in their current Odysseys for a 2002, there may be a nice selection of older Odysseys with the Navigation system. I still have a year to wait and see but I like to do as much research as possible and there is no better time than the present to get started (plus, by the time my current lease runs out, they should be clearing out the 2002 model year and I could probably get a deal on a 2002 Ody . . . nice to know what my options are in advance).
The definition of a minivan is From the Encarta World English Dictionary
min·i·van [mínnee vàn] (plural min·i·vans) noun
van for passengers and cargo: a small passenger van, often with seats that can be removed or rearranged to accommodate cargo
So a minivan is for the purpose of passengers and cargo. Not something of beauty to look at. So if you want a great looking vehicle, you may have to buy two cars, as I don't think that one car will do it.
My 2 cents on the ODY styling- I agree that it's bland, & I prefer the look of the Chrysler products- BUT- automotive styling is definitely headed toward a return of more angular styling, a move away fron the roundish jelly-bean look of a lot of current vehicles. Look at the MDX as an example. LOts of angular creasing there..........