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Shannon
First Impressions: Michelin Symmetry Tires fairly noisy on concrete road surfaces. I am switching them out tomorrow for Bridgestone Potenza RE910. I had them on my '99 Ody and they were terrific in all weather conditions and very quiet.
Engine is noticably stronger, especially in the 20-60 mph range. At 70, the engine was turning about 1950 RPM. Ride quality feels very similar to previous model, maybe a tad softer. Handling seemed a little more neutral, less understeer than before. Definitely quieter in the cabin at speeds above 65 mph. Standard stereo has more wattage, and the speakers are significantly better than my '99. Substantially more Bass and more volume are available. There is more of screwed-together-better feel to the interior. The 4 bucket seats are more "buckety", that is , more scooped out on the back-rest, so they hold you in better on turns. Lumbar support on the front driver's seat is just OK- dosen't do much for me. Steering wheel is thicker, much more comfortable to hold over long distances. Paint finish is good, better than my '99, but not as good as cheaper cars such as - PT Cruiser, and VW Beetle. (WHY?) Body panel fit is pretty good, again better than my '99. The sliding doors especially fit well. Will follow up in the next few weeks as I break the Ody in.
No need to worry what broke. Let them figure that out. My 2000 EX Odyssey had both passenger doors smashed. And the dealer told me it took a lot of work to get them to work right. The car is just like new now. I only took it back to repaint the door handles and trim around the handles, as the paint ran around those areas, because of all the sharp curves in that area.
Figure about 1 week to schedule it in. 2-3 weeks to get the parts and 2-3 weeks to fix it. Even though I have State Farm. I dealt with the other guys insurance myself. That way I got a rental car and there was no deductible. Ask your insurance company about that option. It was no hassle for me.
The differences between the 99, 00, 01, and 02 are probably not significant enough, to make it worth while to trade in, unless you don't care about the extra cost. An example of what would be significant would be a 98 Odyssey and the others.
It has been shown that the longer you keep your vehicle, the more money you save. However at around 100,000 to 150,000 the vehicle begins to become too unreliable to count on, for long trips. If you use the vehicle as a second car you can get even more miles out of it.
So if you are thinking you will save money by trading in your 2001 for a 2002 Odyssey--well you will not.
With the increased production from two manufacturing plants now, coupled with low consumer confidence, do you think we’ll see prices coming down below MSRP aytime soon? If so, when will the exact window of opportunity be--around the holidays?? Or do I have to wait until next spring?
Also, my wife and I shopping for an LX (probably), but since the EX is apparently the most popular model, do you think we could get a beter deal on an LX? However, a salesman told me that that LXs are only about 10% of production, whereas EXs make up 90%. Is this true?
Thanks in advance for your responses.
Even though they are starting up the Al plant, the Ontario plant will cease Ody production and go to full time Acura MDX and Honda "whatever name they decide to give it" (the Honda's MDX)
Bottom line is this, if you are in the market for an Odyssey, put in your order and get it built.
Jerry
The color is Redrock Pearl. Anyone seen this color yet??
Any input would be appreciated.
Q. My elevation seems to fluctuate when I know my elevation has not changed. Why does it vary?
A. The Navigation System elevation accuracy depends on calculations based on received satellite data. The movement of the satellites and changing atmospheric conditions cause fluctuations in these calculations. The accuracy of the elevation can vary up to 30 meters.
Where does it tell me my elevation or is this a new feature of 2.05?
My local tire dealer (an independently owned business) will give me about $50 as a trade in per tire for my Michelins, as long as I don't put on more than 50 miles on them. The new tires cost about $100 each with mounting and balancing, so the net amount for 4 tires will be $200. I think that is cheap for the huge increase in quality I'll be experiencing. By the way, I paid MSRP for my '02 Ody.
Lastly, sorry, there is no more legroom in the '02 Ody than any previous version...........
- Darell
Phil
Thanks
1. Can anyone tell me how many Odysseys are produced in Canada annually now? How many more units will the Alabama plant be able to produce and when will they be at full capacity?
2. Many of you seem to have reservations about buying one built by the Alabama plant. Can someone explain this to me? Is the consensus that we have more confidence in Canadian workers than in Americans? Kind of a sad statement, don't you think? No offense to you Canadians.
"Is there anyone knows any dealer around here give a good trade in value for the van?"
thats a laugh ...dealer/trade in!
"Can anyone give me an estimate how much the van is worth with 7600 miles on it?"
K's less than the 02! good luck...VALUE is a funny concept here.
I do not know how many vans Ala is slated to produce, but my understanding of the Canadian plant's output is that 2 shifts go to Odyssey, one to MDX, so if similar production #'s in Ala are dedicated to 100% Odyssey, production can potentially increase about 1/3.
I have heard that you lose 30% the first year on a vehicle. So taking the cost of a 01, which with destination charges, was about $27,200.
So you lose 30% of that =$8160 + about another 7% for tax which is $1900 + about $150 for dealers fees + $300 for a cost increase/yr gives you a cost of $10,500.
Now considering that you can get a Warranty of 7yr/100k/0 ded for about $950, that means that your maintenance cost during the 7 years will be at 0 except for wear out items which you have to replace in any car. I would allow about $300/yr for wear out items.
Now lets compare the two over a 7 year period for costs.
Keeping your Odyssey for 7 years gives a total cost of $27,200 +$1900 + 150 +950 + 7x $300= $32,300 at the end of which it is probably worth about 25% = $6,800
So total cost for 7 yrs = $32,300 - $6800 =$25,500
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Now compare that to buying a new Odyssey every year. (27200 +1900 +150 +300)x7 = $204,750 - trade in cost= (27200 -30%)x7 = $205,750 - $133,280 =$72470
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So unless I made a mistake in math you get
72,470-25,500 = $46970 or divided by 7, a cost of $6,710 more per year to have a new car every year. I see I did make a mistake and the number is actually $7,010/yr. Also the cost of insurance and license will be higher with the new vehicle every year. So add another $250 for that gives you about $7250/yrx7 =$50750 over the 7 years.
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Well the bottom line is no matter how you do the math it is going to be expensive to trade a car in on a new one after you have only owned it a year. So before you consider it you may want to look carefully at all the actual costs.
"A new manufacturing facility capable of eventually producing 120,000 units per year will open in Lincoln, Alabama, in November. "
The Canada plant will no longer producing Odyssey as the Lincoln plant is put into full production. IN Canada plant, one shift is already producing ACURA MDX, the other shift will produce HONDA SUV. I'm highly doubt HONDA wants to reduce its value on Ody (as they also maintain MSRP pricing on other ACURA or HONDA cars). IMO, 120,000 /year is a lot VANS if you compare it with Chryster TC or Ford Winstar.
BTW, I love to buy the version of Ody produced by the same crew producing the award winning MDX.
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According to the Internet Sales Manager of the dealership, they pay Costco for the lead but the price is still upto the dealership. [All you miss out is the horse trading :-)]
Look around for a dealer (Costco or other) who will sell you one for more money (short wait time) or less money(longer wait time).
If you buy through the Internet, most dealership offers delivery via one of three ways:
1. You Fly in, they pick you up at the airport, You drive your van back.
2. They drive your van to you and deliver with a full tank of gas.
3. They have it transported
You will be surprised how low Option 2 and 3 costs.
They handle road damage etc.,[for Options 2 and 3] by having it fixed at the local dealer to whom they pay for repairs.
the odyssey is practical and very versatile.
I am not a big fan of leather in cars and would prefer the cloth interior. My father has a 2000 Ody EX with the Nav system and I have used it for an extended family trip. The Nav system was great and got us to where we needed to go without having to resort to using paper maps. I have another year left on the lease for my current minivan and I am considering the Odyssey as a replacement. I would like to have the Navigation system but I would rather not have the leather interior. Just curious if anyone knew if this was possible.
Of course, with all the people trading in their current Odysseys for a 2002, there may be a nice selection of older Odysseys with the Navigation system. I still have a year to wait and see but I like to do as much research as possible and there is no better time than the present to get started (plus, by the time my current lease runs out, they should be clearing out the 2002 model year and I could probably get a deal on a 2002 Ody . . . nice to know what my options are in advance).
The definition of a minivan is From the Encarta World English Dictionary
min·i·van [mínnee vàn] (plural min·i·vans) noun
van for passengers and cargo: a small passenger van, often with seats that can be removed or rearranged to accommodate cargo
So a minivan is for the purpose of passengers and cargo. Not something of beauty to look at. So if you want a great looking vehicle, you may have to buy two cars, as I don't think that one car will do it.
My 2 cents on the ODY styling- I agree that it's bland, & I prefer the look of the Chrysler products- BUT- automotive styling is definitely headed toward a return of more angular styling, a move away fron the roundish jelly-bean look of a lot of current vehicles. Look at the MDX as an example. LOts of angular creasing there..........