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  • dieselnerddieselnerd Member Posts: 12
    My wife and I are very happy with our Trailblazer LT. Believe it or not, we have not had one single problem with it! And, I'm a nitpicker and a dyed in the wool do it your selfer. I always work on my own vehicles including this one. I buy the factory service manuals and go over the entire vehicle from top to bottom to ensure everything works as it should. I can scan my own trouble codes and if something were to break under warranty that required parts, I would take it to the dealer. Otherwise, I take care of my own problems. As a hobby I've built cars from the ground up so I am not afraid to delve into the innards of anything on four wheels. The Trailblazer is a technical marvel and considering the complexity of it's electronics, I'm amazed that it works so well. That's a credit to modern electronics, if a circuit works well for the first 90 days, it will probably last the life of the vehicle. Am I the only one on this forum with no complaints?
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    that could screw up someone's sanity even more - turn it too much and the steering column will lock
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Good point - I can just hear the dispatcher trying to explain that to a panicked driver.

    How about a, what else? link for (one of one)

    link against (one of dozens)

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  • pauleulpauleul Member Posts: 116
    Although I still have about 25 days to go before I hit that magic 90 day number you mentioned.

    2,500 on my Envoy SLT and still no problems and am very impressed with the truck.

    Averaging 17 mpg in mixed city/highway and 21+ on all highway.

    Face it, every mfg has lemons and I think those with earlier build dates are having more problems than later build dates.

    Those who mentioned in earlier posts that they were having problems with their remotes (having to press the button several times before response) might want to take note where they are when the problem occurs. I have had that same problem with an Explorer I used to own. It happened in certain areas and had to do with other electrical interference. My Acura has done it a couple of times also.
  • richardcoulsonrichardcoulson Member Posts: 88
    My trailblazer built 03/02 sat in the hot sun today. When I started it up, the instrument panel was dead. Drove it around for about an hour and turned it off and back on multiple time with no luck. After sitting in the shade turned off for about an hour, it started working when I I started it back up. I know others have had a similar problem. Is there a TSB for this problem? I thought with a build date of 03/02 that I would be safe from these types of problems.
    Thanks
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    and so the Edsel was a one model wonder destined to become the euphemism for automotive failure.

    I think the Edsel's demise had as much to do with its being introduced in the middle of a deep economic recession as it might have with fundamental design flaws.

    Today, who would question the advertising hype of the time "They'll know you've arrived when you pull up in a '58 Edsel...."? They are certainly collector's items today.

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  • pepper50pepper50 Member Posts: 195
    I have OnStar on my Envoy, and I know I can summon OnStar and have them run a diagnostic code check on my vehicle. I'm wondering how accurate that is? Are they accessing the same number and type of codes that a dealer would be checking? I had them run one the other day, and they told me it was negative. I'm just curious how thorough the info is that they receive. Anyone know more about this?
  • maj01maj01 Member Posts: 7
    Howdy, just a new member. I bought my Envoy in Sept. Love it!! The only problem I have had is the paint chipping on the license plate bracket. My dealership had not had any others come in with this problem. I then walked my salesman to the lot and showed him that every Envoy and Bravada on the lot had the same thing happening!! At the time GM had not come up with a fix, so the dealership did their own thing. They did a nice job until I noticed the two tone paint job they gave me. So after chewing them out for 1/2 an hour, they re-did the job. The other problem I have noticed is a slight clicking noise coming from under the driver side dash, seems like the HVAC, dealer doesn't know. Another slight problem, occasionally when locking the vehicle with the remote, the horn sticks on and won't stop until I unlock the truck and punch the steering wheel, again the dealer can't locate a problem. Any ideas? I knew when buying the truck that I would have some of the "first model year" problems, but I would not give this truck up for anything. My wife LOVES the turning radius!!!
  • tblazedtblazed Member Posts: 945
    The 3 vehicles I have ('86 IROC-Z, '88 S-10 and '02 TrailBlazer) WILL NOT lock the steering column unless the shift lever is all the way in Park position. I would assume that is a built-in safety feature to prevent someone from doing just that- locking the steering while driving. If you can lock the steering in any other position than "Park" you have a problem with the steering column and shift lever interlocking mechanism. Definitely should not be able to do that.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Welcome to Town Hall - stick around, you'll learn something. I'm learning all kinds of interesting stuff about ignition/steering locks this week!

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  • tblazedtblazed Member Posts: 945
    Of course the logical thing to do with a stuck accellerator wound be to put it in Neutral, and get off the road, but the news story about the '94 Blazer that got this started said that action (somehow) did not work. Maybe in the drivers panic she just "thought" she had tried putting it in Neutral. And as I recall the Police dispatcher had advised against putting it in Park. Turning off the ignition would be a last resort, (yes you would loose power steering, just like you would if the belt broke) but you should not be able to lock the steering column without the shift lever in Park regardless.
  • ficussficuss Member Posts: 541
    dieselnerd: you are correct when you say a circuit that lasts 90 days will probably last for a very long time. But what we are seeing here are not circuit failures, but rather software failures, or more precisly unanticipated circumstances which cause software lockups of some sort which require reloading of software to remedy the problem caused. I have been working with electronics for 35 years, the most reliable circuits are always the most simple. Hence the term keep it simple stupid - KISS. Total reliance on multiple computers operating nearly all functions of the triplets can only work if all possible combinations of factors is considered. The triplet software engineers have not done this. It is apparent by the numerous fluke problems reported here, all of which are resolved by "pushing the reset button", or as GM says "software upgrade". Remember WINDOWS 95 and how unreliable it was.
    Don't get me wrong, I am impressed by the performance of my TB LTZ. I like the looks and the feel of driving it. But I have to think hard if want to take it on a long road trip, away from my dealership whom I trust and risk being serviced by any of the above mentioned dealers. This car reminds me of my 1983 Jaguar XJ6. There was no car more beautiful on the road. The problem was, the Jag was in the service garage more than on the road.

    To Host: The other 1958 cars were standouts and sold well and are also classics. Think 58 TBIRD.

    Frank
  • maj01maj01 Member Posts: 7
    Richardcoulson, my Envoy did the same thing one time. It was about 2-3 months after I bought it. The entire instrument panel went dead. I drove straight to the dealer, pulled into the service bay, shut the truck off and spoke to the service rep. He hopped in the truck, turned the key, and of course everything worked fine. I now have 9200 miles on the truck and it has never happened again.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    The other 1958 cars were standouts and sold well and are also classics. Think 58 TBIRD.

    Good point! However, the T-Bird had already become very popular by '58 and I think people were sticking with cars they already knew.

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  • iexplore2000iexplore2000 Member Posts: 237
    I had the exact same issue with my 1996 GMC Jimmy and 1997 Oldsmobile Bravada with the locking differentials. I would notice that when making a left-hand turn from a traffic light, I would feel this "slippage" or "gear-grinding chatter" about 50% of the time until I completed my turn.

    The dealer's changed the locking differential fluid and viola! No more "slippage." It's kind of odd to see that this issue has now surfaced because my Envoy has 10,000K on it now and I noticed the "slippage" yesterday for the first time!! Also, yesterday was by far the warmest day in Michigan yet this entire year, therefore this problem definitely could be temperature related. I kind of made a mental note in my head about the slippage and will more than likely address this with my servicing dealership before summers end. I just want to see if the condition will get progressively worse over time. Additionally, this "slippage" that I felt yesterday did not quite feel the same as that of my 96 and 97's, maybe because the components used are much more advanced? My 96 & 97's felt like a gear slipping and chattering that you could definitely feel. My Envoy for the most part, kind of felt like my tires might have been spinning on oil or something.. I didn't quite hear the chatter, but at the same time, the BOSE was fully engaged as well. At first I was quite alarmed because I thought that it could have been the transmission, but who knows! Just my .02 cents!

    IExplore2000@aol.com
  • kenymkenym Member Posts: 405
    They (whoever they are) refer to the new Trail Blazer, Envoy and Old's Bravada as the triplets.

    Why is that???

    The only thing the Bravada has in common with the TB and Envoy is the numerous mechanical problems and maybe the cost of the vehicle. Other than that the Bravada is in the same family or class as the old S10 Blazer and the GMC Jimmy .

    No particular reason just curious, but VERY VERY glad to be rid of my 95 S10 Blazer
    and VERY VERY happy with my Buick RDV.

    Ken
  • iexplore2000iexplore2000 Member Posts: 237
    kenym:

    The reason why these three are called the triplets is that they are pretty much for the most part identical vehicles; sporting a very high percentage of interior/exterior components in addition to the same body frame. These vehicles are produced in Moraine, OH (basically Dayton, OH) and all three roll off of the same assembly lines in the assembly plant.

    Even though they may appear differently exterior-wise, they do share almost 100% of the same components (with the exception of the AWD system used in the Bravada).

    Hope that helps! BTW.. Before purchasing your Bravada, have you looked at the other two? If not, please stroll by your friendly GMC or Chevy dealership and peek into the window & carefully look at the exterior of these vehicles. Immediately you should be able to see that these vehicles share the same underpinnings as your Bravada (from the power window buttons to the ECAS suspension with the rear compressor housing.. the similiarities should be quite easy to find).

    Good Luck!

    IExplore2000@aol.com
  • kenymkenym Member Posts: 405
    I was under the impression that the Bravada had the same body components as the S10 Blazer not the new TB. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I don't think I would buy another Blazer. I had some real problems with my 95 SLE 4x4 and from the postings in your forum the new TB doesn't seem to be any better.

    Ken
  • rj123456rj123456 Member Posts: 140
    I got my Envoy XL SLT 4wd with the 1SK package, and the sticker does NOT list the load-levelling suspension, however, the GMC website and certainly all the other sites like Edmunds, Kelly, Autosite etc. seem to imply that the load-levelling suspension is built into this package.

    Just wondering if anyone knows if the suspension is included. I'm not likely to be towing anything or certainly not anything very big, and given the problems people have been having with the suspension it's probably a good thing not to have it, but still, I'm curious...the air compressor seems like a nice gizmo to have.

    In other news...my wife drives it most of the time, I only drive it on weekends and with 1,500 miles on it so far, no major problems (except the "wandering mirror" when reversing, and that too only for Driver 2).
  • craig63craig63 Member Posts: 3
    I'll echo the recent "love my Envoy" comments (build date in April 2002). I'm at 2,000 miles and not a single problem. Averaging about 18 to the gallon (combo city and highway).

    I battled back and forth on whether to wait for the new Honda Pilot. Saw it this weekend...it's a great car/truck. However, it's missing quite a few of the SLT extra's that I would miss, i.e,. sunroof, heated seats, 6 disk changer, memory seats. I also think the Envoy has it beat in the styling department.

    For those of you reading this forum with a purchase still to make, I would highly recommend the Envoy.
  • iexplore2000iexplore2000 Member Posts: 237
    rj123456:

    Actually you are correct, the Envoy with the 1SK package is supposed to come with the load leveling suspension. Someone actually posted a message to this forum several weeks ago concerning a backorder delay on the ECAS and therefore GMC was substituting the regular coil spring setup as opposed to the ECAS system?

    I may be wrong concerning this but I would suggest that you open your driver's side door and inspect the vehicle label to see when your vehicle was built. IF it was built within the past couple of months, your vehicle may fall into the time-frame when GM substituted the coil spring suspension setup.

    Additionally, I know that the search feature on this forum doesn't work that well, but maybe the person who posted the message concerning the suspension substitution will see this message and be able to respond.

    Good Luck!

    IExplore2000@aol.com
  • flyguy7flyguy7 Member Posts: 22
    Checked my oil recently and it was down to the bottom hole on the dip stick. Took it to the dealer and they check it and said that this was normal consumption for the vehicle. It has 12K miles and has had 4000 put on it since the last oil change. Maybe this is why we have a 7qt oil capacity?. The "spec" from GM was that it will burn a qt every couple of thousand miles. Can anyone verify this?
  • rj123456rj123456 Member Posts: 140
    iexplore, thanks for your reply...

    My build date is 4/02. So if GM substituted the coil spring, can I get a rebate, or are they going to retrofit this later?

    RJ
  • archdukerizzoarchdukerizzo Member Posts: 35
    Does anyone else have a problem with their gas gauge bobbing up and down?
    For example, this morning while driving to work i had 3/4 of a tank of gas, while driving to work, it would bob between 1/2 and 3/4 (this is on a flat stretch of I-95). Most of the time it would hover somewhere inbetween 1/2 & 3/4 but when I parked and put the car in park, it shot down to 1/2. Funny thing is that I turned the car off and back on and it went up to almost 3/4 again!

    Has anyone else had this problem?
  • walk4walk4 Member Posts: 9
    Few days ago I got my new TB LS manufactured 05/02.
    I like the style and power. However, next day I started to hear engine knocking and grinding noise for 1-3 second that comes and goes under the driver's-center dash (or at least it appears to me as the location). This strange sound can be heard when the SUV is in park, stop or driving (with or without AC or fan).
    It is happening more often during the first 15 minutes of driving, but it was happening on and off during my first 1.5 hour trip. Any one had similar problem?
    Yesterday, I checked my tire pressure. Man, I was surprised to see on the left tires 42PSI and on the right tires 38PSI when it should be 32PSI.
    I do not mind the dealer prep not toping my windshield washer fluid but the tire pressure differences made me feel rather bad about the service. Also I found this board and messages very helpful.

    WALK4
  • tblazedtblazed Member Posts: 945
    I posted comments like that some time ago. I specifically asked the dealer (210 mi from my home) to check the tire pressure before I drove off with my new TB. Next morning I checked the pressures on all 4 - varied between 38 and 45 PSI !! My guess is that they inflate tires like that for shipping and storage of the vehicle, and "make-ready" is supposed to adjust it down to the correct PSI upon delivery to the new owner. Doesn't seem to work that way though. Makes me wonder what other details they did not tend to.

    You might crawl under your new TB and look for something loose against the bottom of the floor. Mine at 1st had an annoying rattle at idle while sitting at a light etc and it was the comnnector to the O2 sensor touching against the bottom of the "hump" in the floor. I secured it with a tie-wrap and fixed it myself right away without any dealer hassle. Maybe you will find something similar.
  • jwinkyjwinky Member Posts: 59
    I was the one who posted about the backorder. I purchased my Envoy SLT 1SH (build date 04/02) on April 30th and asked the same questions. The sales manager informed me about the backorder.

    If you look at your window sticker and compare to some window stickers on gmbuypower with the load leveler, you will notice that your package price was discounted about 230 for the lack of the suspension.

    Hope that helps.

    JAW
  • tblazedtblazed Member Posts: 945
    I have recently noticed that the "Delco Eye" built-in state of charge indicator on the battery on my TB (6 months old) now stays black all the time. It is supposed to show green when the battery is fully charged. It WAS green when I first bought the TB but now stays black, even when I put a charger on it for a day or two. Voltage is correct, starts easily, everything seems to be working fine, just the hydrometer eye doesn't indicate green anymore. I can't find anything in my warranty stuff about the warranty on the factory battery either. Anyone had a problem with their battery and what was the resolution?
  • dshepherd3dshepherd3 Member Posts: 194
    Obviuosly a black battery indicator means it is not fully charged. You should have the dealer check the charging circuit and/or any drains in the electrical system that would account for the condition. There were some reports of loose battery connectors, but that was causing intermittent no crank conditions.
  • tjcishere1tjcishere1 Member Posts: 42
    i have been here a few times i have a Envoy xl slt with the 1sk pkt hopeing i will get the load leveling rear i tow a boat. dealer said they didn't know if it has it in the truck until it get delivered, might be bull but we will see. but my question is, if a few of u people could just type in the prices u paid for the warranty on ur truckit would help. a while back i told u all i was told the major Guard for the envoy 7/100,000k with 0 ded .was 4770 they say dealer cost on that is 4270 they only make 500. so if u would be so kind as to just type in ur plan so i have some info i was thinking of going 3rd party off the web but im not sure what to do thanks in advance
  • pauleulpauleul Member Posts: 116
    I too had tire pressures around 42psi. I doubt many if any dealers bother to check tire pressure and they always seem to be over inflated from the factory.

    Warranty info request from Tommy:

    You have asked that same question 5 times now. You've gotten answers at least three times. Basically, people here have said your getting screwed at that price and would be paying way to much.
    You should try going back and reading the answers if you want to know what others have paid and their suggestions. I don't think people are going to keep posting the same answers for you.
    Generally you should be in the $1000 - $1500 range.
    Good luck and Enjoy when you get it and don't let them take you for $4770!
  • walk4walk4 Member Posts: 9
    Please check Warrantybynet.com for the pricing and than talk to your dealer.
    WALK4
  • cmack4cmack4 Member Posts: 302
    I just turned 5K on my Bravada and it still runs beautifully. I first changed oil at 2700 miles (switched to synthetic) and it hasn't burned a drop of oil to date. I've had the tsb's for the air hiss, rear gasket, and wandering mirrors performed, but other than that it's been wonderful! I averaged 20mpg on a recent 500mi trip of mostly highway driving, and I'm getting 16.5 mostly city.
  • pepper50pepper50 Member Posts: 195
    tjcishere:
    Look at the website below and call them on their 800 number. They will give you a quote on as many of the GM plans as you want to investigate, and almost certainly will beat your dealer. Just be sure your state allows you to buy from out-of-state dealer like that; just ask them when you call. Most do, but there are a couple that may not. I did it from here in Texas.
    GM Warranty Central
  • biggie4852biggie4852 Member Posts: 34
    Please buy the $4770 deal. Everyone on this board has told you it a lousy deal. But you keep on asking for advice. It's clear to me that what you want is to hear a reason to buy it. So "tjcishere1" it is your money buy the darn thing
  • dave232dave232 Member Posts: 4
    Had the new mirror actuators installed a week ago. Working great now ,both sides.Im at 14000 miles now and no other problems.Envoy SLT is the best vehicle ive had in 40 years including BMW"s and cadillacs
  • tom_stom_s Member Posts: 23
    My wife has been nagging me about getting a new truck. She currently has an Odyssey and doesn't like the whole "minivan mom" thing. I've been looking at 4 trucks(Pilot,MDX,ENVOY,TB) We have 3 young kids and need something larger than your regular SUV but I dont want her driving a Huge truck. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it and if you could give me the price you paid.
    Thanks in advance,
    -Tom
  • mlauricellamlauricella Member Posts: 24
    Hi

    My LTZ with 500 miles on it is averaging roughly 14-14.2 mpg. Granted this has been mostly city driving..Will my mpg get better as I accumulate more miles? Should I reset the DIC and start from scratch? Could this be a programing problem?

    Overall, Ive ben very happy with this vehicle. I do sometimes regret getting Black though, its such a bear to keep clean..

    Tom S

    I paid $32,800 for a Black LTZ with sunroof, BOSE 6 disk changer, heated seats, locking diff. This is with GM Supplier Discount.

    Thanks for any info.
  • lurker01lurker01 Member Posts: 103
    I have over 10,000 miles and things are finally all working good. Had all the TSBs done. Mirrors work fine now. And I do have auto dim on all 3 mirrors. Don't know how to turn it off, like some suggested.
    I am getting ~17mpg mixed city/hwy. It got better as the weather warmed. Perhaps because of gas quality, perhaps because I turned off the climate control. (using the A/C to defog?)

    On MPG, I reset the DIC after every fillup, just to see how it is doing. I did hand calcs on the fuel consumption for the first 5000 miles and concluded that the DIC was always ~0.5mpg high. So, I just use that fudge factor.

    As for questions, my sister is thinking about trading her '98 Exploder in for a TB EXT. I have been helping with the research and found a few weird things. The GM Buypower web site will not let you add the BOSE to the TB EXT, but if you look at some window stickers from the dealer inventory pages, they show many with the BOSE option. What gives?

    I think she will have a tough time finding what she wants because they don't want leather, but they do want BOSE and the DVD. Also, has to be green. And they don't want to order since they will be playing the trade-in game before pulling out the GM discount cert.

    Anyone have some advice?

    thanks.
  • byrd17byrd17 Member Posts: 4
    To turn off the auto dim feature on the mirrors, press and hold the button to the left of the On Star button. The far left button on your mirror. Hold until the tiny light goes out. Also, I'm still looking for anyone who has gotten any results from GM for the paint chipping in front of the rear wheel opening. Thanks!
  • mlauricellamlauricella Member Posts: 24
    I know i've seen pics of a couple TB's with the Billet bowtie, which replaces the ugly gold one on the front grill. How do they attach? Glue or rubber cement? There is also a clear plactic cover on the factory bowtie, do the Billet Grills use these?
  • dshepherd3dshepherd3 Member Posts: 194
    I pointed this out to my dealer after 1 month driving in northern NYS winter environment. Normal exposure, no help. Before it got really bad I got 3m "Rhino Guard" and covered the affected area. Barely noticeable and protects that area, should have been there to begin with, I guess their test tracks are not sanded when it snows!
  • missouri2missouri2 Member Posts: 41
    i have watched this board for six months, and i know there has been problems as i have, but do you people read your owners manual? 90% of the stuff on this board is in there. please just read the manual first, then if there is a question that can not be answered in the manual come to the board.

    thank you
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Read the owners manual? That's no fun!

    ;-)

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  • pauleulpauleul Member Posts: 116
    90% ???

    You don't tend to exaggerate a little do you? Not even the boeing 747 fan noise is hitting numbers like that and that has got to be the main topic.

    Hey, do you think we could get GM to reprint the owners manual to include the "turn key on for 10 seconds but don't start" fix? 8>)

    I think in general this board has been great and has helped LOTS of us. Besides, didn't you ever hear the line (no question is a dumb question)? I didn't find it all that easy to find the part about how to turn off the auto dim feature and still haven't found anything in the manual about turning off the outside mirror(s). Oh, and by the way, the mirrors turn themselves back on the next time you start up the truck (that's not in the manual either). We also found out recently, all manuals are NOT created equal.
  • iexplore2000iexplore2000 Member Posts: 237
    All manuals are not created equally. Heck.. I had to re-read my manual several times in order to understand some of the functionality that they are "trying" to explain! Heck.. maybe they are letting "summer interns" produce the manual literature!

    Anyhow, I would be interested to see how many individuals on this board have all three dimming/electrochromatic mirrors on their vehicles besides luker01? I wonder why GM would only supply the right-hand dimming mirror on certain vehicles? Is it a door-prize thing or something?? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm??

    Thanks!

    IExplore2000@aol.com
  • njtblzrnjtblzr Member Posts: 12
    I had the re-designed switch put into my TB a few months ago to fix the problem where my TB would switch into 4wd on it's own and the service 4wd light would turn on. It's been fine since then until now. On two occasions on wet roads in the rain the switch would go into A4WD and back to 2Hi (with out my touching it) and there would be a lurch (the front axle engaging I would think) This happened at 70mph the other day. Yesterday it happened in a dry parking lot before I put the car in gear.

    Has anyone else had a problem like this after the original fix of the redesigned switch was done?

    I am bringing the truck in tomorrow to have it fixed (I hope so at least).

    Also, my steering wheel doesn't lock in position when in park and the key removed. Is it supposed to?
  • gmdronegmdrone Member Posts: 78
    As far as the right side electrochromatic mirror goes, there isn't one. I called Moraine Friday, and the materials guy asked me what I'd been smokin'!! I personally have never seen a right hand dimming mirror on any vehicle we have built since the '88 Bonneville SSEi, and the reason we stopped production of them was because of LAWSUITS from owners who couldn't see because of the combination of the convex glass and the dimming feature. Sounds like too many people didn't understand the feature to begin with.

    Relative to the mysterious engagement of the auto4x4, I can tell you with reasonable certianty (sp?) that it is most likely due to a bad seal job on the plenum (air intake box) where the HVAC module mounts to the dash. The paint shop is supposed to seal that area with a flexible "bubble gum" sealer that squishes out when the module is bolted down. Have you dealer check that area with a garden hose, AND TELL HIM TO TAKE OFF THE UNDERDASH HUSH PANELS TOO, BEFORE HE DOES THE LEAK TESTING!!!! It is really amazing how many times I have seen dealers "forget" that very important first step. It is pretty hard to see through that black plastic panel, unless you have X-ray vision! If indeed you have a waterleak, it is probably dribbling down on the connector for the ECM for the 4x4 controls, and eventually it will corrode the connector to the point that you will always be in 4 wheel. I know, it happened to me with my company issued TB last winter.

    Later,

    Mark
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Would GM design this in this manner? Seems like an awfully poor design if you ask me that a leaky HVAC module can leak water onto the 4wd switch. The general never seizes to amaze me. :(

    -mike
  • ficussficuss Member Posts: 541
    Paisan: I haven't been the biggest fan when it comes to G M designers lately, especially when it comes to software, The design could be ok if properly implemented. Look up at your ceiling right now, do you know if there are any water pipes over your computer? It's ok if there is unless one of the pipes breaks. In this case, the heater vent location is ok, the installation is faulty. It does show some incompetence in manufacturing, possibly due to RUSHING A PRODUCT OUT THE DOOR TO SELL IT. I think when all is said and done, we'll see that this is the biggest problem of them all. RUSHING A PRODUCT OUT.

    Frank
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