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How about a, what else? link for (one of one)
link against (one of dozens)
Steve
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2,500 on my Envoy SLT and still no problems and am very impressed with the truck.
Averaging 17 mpg in mixed city/highway and 21+ on all highway.
Face it, every mfg has lemons and I think those with earlier build dates are having more problems than later build dates.
Those who mentioned in earlier posts that they were having problems with their remotes (having to press the button several times before response) might want to take note where they are when the problem occurs. I have had that same problem with an Explorer I used to own. It happened in certain areas and had to do with other electrical interference. My Acura has done it a couple of times also.
Thanks
I think the Edsel's demise had as much to do with its being introduced in the middle of a deep economic recession as it might have with fundamental design flaws.
Today, who would question the advertising hype of the time "They'll know you've arrived when you pull up in a '58 Edsel...."? They are certainly collector's items today.
tidester
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Steve
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Don't get me wrong, I am impressed by the performance of my TB LTZ. I like the looks and the feel of driving it. But I have to think hard if want to take it on a long road trip, away from my dealership whom I trust and risk being serviced by any of the above mentioned dealers. This car reminds me of my 1983 Jaguar XJ6. There was no car more beautiful on the road. The problem was, the Jag was in the service garage more than on the road.
To Host: The other 1958 cars were standouts and sold well and are also classics. Think 58 TBIRD.
Frank
Good point! However, the T-Bird had already become very popular by '58 and I think people were sticking with cars they already knew.
tidester
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The dealer's changed the locking differential fluid and viola! No more "slippage." It's kind of odd to see that this issue has now surfaced because my Envoy has 10,000K on it now and I noticed the "slippage" yesterday for the first time!! Also, yesterday was by far the warmest day in Michigan yet this entire year, therefore this problem definitely could be temperature related. I kind of made a mental note in my head about the slippage and will more than likely address this with my servicing dealership before summers end. I just want to see if the condition will get progressively worse over time. Additionally, this "slippage" that I felt yesterday did not quite feel the same as that of my 96 and 97's, maybe because the components used are much more advanced? My 96 & 97's felt like a gear slipping and chattering that you could definitely feel. My Envoy for the most part, kind of felt like my tires might have been spinning on oil or something.. I didn't quite hear the chatter, but at the same time, the BOSE was fully engaged as well. At first I was quite alarmed because I thought that it could have been the transmission, but who knows! Just my .02 cents!
IExplore2000@aol.com
Why is that???
The only thing the Bravada has in common with the TB and Envoy is the numerous mechanical problems and maybe the cost of the vehicle. Other than that the Bravada is in the same family or class as the old S10 Blazer and the GMC Jimmy .
No particular reason just curious, but VERY VERY glad to be rid of my 95 S10 Blazer
and VERY VERY happy with my Buick RDV.
Ken
The reason why these three are called the triplets is that they are pretty much for the most part identical vehicles; sporting a very high percentage of interior/exterior components in addition to the same body frame. These vehicles are produced in Moraine, OH (basically Dayton, OH) and all three roll off of the same assembly lines in the assembly plant.
Even though they may appear differently exterior-wise, they do share almost 100% of the same components (with the exception of the AWD system used in the Bravada).
Hope that helps! BTW.. Before purchasing your Bravada, have you looked at the other two? If not, please stroll by your friendly GMC or Chevy dealership and peek into the window & carefully look at the exterior of these vehicles. Immediately you should be able to see that these vehicles share the same underpinnings as your Bravada (from the power window buttons to the ECAS suspension with the rear compressor housing.. the similiarities should be quite easy to find).
Good Luck!
IExplore2000@aol.com
I don't think I would buy another Blazer. I had some real problems with my 95 SLE 4x4 and from the postings in your forum the new TB doesn't seem to be any better.
Ken
Just wondering if anyone knows if the suspension is included. I'm not likely to be towing anything or certainly not anything very big, and given the problems people have been having with the suspension it's probably a good thing not to have it, but still, I'm curious...the air compressor seems like a nice gizmo to have.
In other news...my wife drives it most of the time, I only drive it on weekends and with 1,500 miles on it so far, no major problems (except the "wandering mirror" when reversing, and that too only for Driver 2).
I battled back and forth on whether to wait for the new Honda Pilot. Saw it this weekend...it's a great car/truck. However, it's missing quite a few of the SLT extra's that I would miss, i.e,. sunroof, heated seats, 6 disk changer, memory seats. I also think the Envoy has it beat in the styling department.
For those of you reading this forum with a purchase still to make, I would highly recommend the Envoy.
Actually you are correct, the Envoy with the 1SK package is supposed to come with the load leveling suspension. Someone actually posted a message to this forum several weeks ago concerning a backorder delay on the ECAS and therefore GMC was substituting the regular coil spring setup as opposed to the ECAS system?
I may be wrong concerning this but I would suggest that you open your driver's side door and inspect the vehicle label to see when your vehicle was built. IF it was built within the past couple of months, your vehicle may fall into the time-frame when GM substituted the coil spring suspension setup.
Additionally, I know that the search feature on this forum doesn't work that well, but maybe the person who posted the message concerning the suspension substitution will see this message and be able to respond.
Good Luck!
IExplore2000@aol.com
My build date is 4/02. So if GM substituted the coil spring, can I get a rebate, or are they going to retrofit this later?
RJ
For example, this morning while driving to work i had 3/4 of a tank of gas, while driving to work, it would bob between 1/2 and 3/4 (this is on a flat stretch of I-95). Most of the time it would hover somewhere inbetween 1/2 & 3/4 but when I parked and put the car in park, it shot down to 1/2. Funny thing is that I turned the car off and back on and it went up to almost 3/4 again!
Has anyone else had this problem?
I like the style and power. However, next day I started to hear engine knocking and grinding noise for 1-3 second that comes and goes under the driver's-center dash (or at least it appears to me as the location). This strange sound can be heard when the SUV is in park, stop or driving (with or without AC or fan).
It is happening more often during the first 15 minutes of driving, but it was happening on and off during my first 1.5 hour trip. Any one had similar problem?
Yesterday, I checked my tire pressure. Man, I was surprised to see on the left tires 42PSI and on the right tires 38PSI when it should be 32PSI.
I do not mind the dealer prep not toping my windshield washer fluid but the tire pressure differences made me feel rather bad about the service. Also I found this board and messages very helpful.
WALK4
You might crawl under your new TB and look for something loose against the bottom of the floor. Mine at 1st had an annoying rattle at idle while sitting at a light etc and it was the comnnector to the O2 sensor touching against the bottom of the "hump" in the floor. I secured it with a tie-wrap and fixed it myself right away without any dealer hassle. Maybe you will find something similar.
If you look at your window sticker and compare to some window stickers on gmbuypower with the load leveler, you will notice that your package price was discounted about 230 for the lack of the suspension.
Hope that helps.
JAW
Warranty info request from Tommy:
You have asked that same question 5 times now. You've gotten answers at least three times. Basically, people here have said your getting screwed at that price and would be paying way to much.
You should try going back and reading the answers if you want to know what others have paid and their suggestions. I don't think people are going to keep posting the same answers for you.
Generally you should be in the $1000 - $1500 range.
Good luck and Enjoy when you get it and don't let them take you for $4770!
WALK4
Look at the website below and call them on their 800 number. They will give you a quote on as many of the GM plans as you want to investigate, and almost certainly will beat your dealer. Just be sure your state allows you to buy from out-of-state dealer like that; just ask them when you call. Most do, but there are a couple that may not. I did it from here in Texas.
GM Warranty Central
Thanks in advance,
-Tom
My LTZ with 500 miles on it is averaging roughly 14-14.2 mpg. Granted this has been mostly city driving..Will my mpg get better as I accumulate more miles? Should I reset the DIC and start from scratch? Could this be a programing problem?
Overall, Ive ben very happy with this vehicle. I do sometimes regret getting Black though, its such a bear to keep clean..
Tom S
I paid $32,800 for a Black LTZ with sunroof, BOSE 6 disk changer, heated seats, locking diff. This is with GM Supplier Discount.
Thanks for any info.
I am getting ~17mpg mixed city/hwy. It got better as the weather warmed. Perhaps because of gas quality, perhaps because I turned off the climate control. (using the A/C to defog?)
On MPG, I reset the DIC after every fillup, just to see how it is doing. I did hand calcs on the fuel consumption for the first 5000 miles and concluded that the DIC was always ~0.5mpg high. So, I just use that fudge factor.
As for questions, my sister is thinking about trading her '98 Exploder in for a TB EXT. I have been helping with the research and found a few weird things. The GM Buypower web site will not let you add the BOSE to the TB EXT, but if you look at some window stickers from the dealer inventory pages, they show many with the BOSE option. What gives?
I think she will have a tough time finding what she wants because they don't want leather, but they do want BOSE and the DVD. Also, has to be green. And they don't want to order since they will be playing the trade-in game before pulling out the GM discount cert.
Anyone have some advice?
thanks.
thank you
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Steve
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You don't tend to exaggerate a little do you? Not even the boeing 747 fan noise is hitting numbers like that and that has got to be the main topic.
Hey, do you think we could get GM to reprint the owners manual to include the "turn key on for 10 seconds but don't start" fix? 8>)
I think in general this board has been great and has helped LOTS of us. Besides, didn't you ever hear the line (no question is a dumb question)? I didn't find it all that easy to find the part about how to turn off the auto dim feature and still haven't found anything in the manual about turning off the outside mirror(s). Oh, and by the way, the mirrors turn themselves back on the next time you start up the truck (that's not in the manual either). We also found out recently, all manuals are NOT created equal.
Anyhow, I would be interested to see how many individuals on this board have all three dimming/electrochromatic mirrors on their vehicles besides luker01? I wonder why GM would only supply the right-hand dimming mirror on certain vehicles? Is it a door-prize thing or something?? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm??
Thanks!
IExplore2000@aol.com
Has anyone else had a problem like this after the original fix of the redesigned switch was done?
I am bringing the truck in tomorrow to have it fixed (I hope so at least).
Also, my steering wheel doesn't lock in position when in park and the key removed. Is it supposed to?
Relative to the mysterious engagement of the auto4x4, I can tell you with reasonable certianty (sp?) that it is most likely due to a bad seal job on the plenum (air intake box) where the HVAC module mounts to the dash. The paint shop is supposed to seal that area with a flexible "bubble gum" sealer that squishes out when the module is bolted down. Have you dealer check that area with a garden hose, AND TELL HIM TO TAKE OFF THE UNDERDASH HUSH PANELS TOO, BEFORE HE DOES THE LEAK TESTING!!!! It is really amazing how many times I have seen dealers "forget" that very important first step. It is pretty hard to see through that black plastic panel, unless you have X-ray vision! If indeed you have a waterleak, it is probably dribbling down on the connector for the ECM for the 4x4 controls, and eventually it will corrode the connector to the point that you will always be in 4 wheel. I know, it happened to me with my company issued TB last winter.
Later,
Mark
-mike
Frank