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This past week, my husband and I drove at about 70 mph on the highway, and the mileage we calculated was 21.9 mpg on one tank of gas and 22.5 mpg on another tank. The lower included some travel on 2 lane highways, having to accelerate to pass other cars. I do like the way it accelerates when passing. May have been better if I wasn't having so much fun passing.
This is the first major problem I've had with the vehicle so I feel lucky after reading about the many problems others have had.
Good luck with your suit fraudfighter.
As John states, the deflector "helps" keep the rear window cleaner, but it won't keep it pristine. The snow that had gathered was easily "blown off" when I reached a good clip. I was a little leery of removing the third brake light for the install (and drilling the holes for the stanchions), but the small cover provided does an adequate job of hiding the gaping hole thats left behind and it's really not visible once the brake light is remounted onto the stanchions and is covered by the deflector itself. (there's a hole cut out in the deflector that fits around the brake light lens) I think GM could have done a little nicer job with the design, but overall it DOES look quite nice on my Pewter Envoy (very much like it appears on John's Bravada!)
Thanks,
Craig
A lot of care and measuring is necessary during the installation.
I need to buy a plug so I can pull a trailer, and I don't know which one to get.
Greg
Wichita
2002 Red Bravada
I've also considered the MacNeil rubber WeatherTech mats at least for the front; they do have a new 2002 product for the triplets (I think the rear WeatherTechs would have to be trimmed). So I may even end up with MacNeil WeatherTech in front and GM vinyl in rear, unless the GM fronts are good.
Thanks.
They have a honeycomb pattern to them that can hold a sizable amount of water, mud, slush, etc,
but they're not so rugged that they look like they belong in a tank.
I considered some of the aftermarket ones, but didn't like the looks of them too much. I also heard of fit problems.
Thanks.
Do you have the TSB number handy? I've only had this happen once in 1 1/2 months, but just in case it gets worse.
Thanks!
The Bose system is awesome, the power is 1st class and the ride is smooth.
As for the paint problem and wandering mirrors, I wrote Oldsmobile the following email:
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Please treat this notification as an official request for action on the following two items. Both items are applicable to all Envoy, TrailBlazer and Bravada vehicles.
1. Wandering outside rear view mirrors. Periodically, upon remote unlock, the outside mirrors lose their last saved memory position and wander to a new position. This has been reported to the NHTSA, as this is a safety concern. Please reference ODI number: 759768.
2. Paint chipping around license plastic insert in tail gate. It appears the plastic insert expands and contracts at a different rate than the metal tail gate, causing the sharp plastic edges to remove the paint around the perimeter of the plastic insert. This can be seen on any Envoy/TrailBlazer/Bravada that has sat in a garage, then park outside in the sun.
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I received the following response from Oldsmobile:
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General Motors is aware of the mirror concern you are experiencing with your vehicle. Our engineers
are currently working on a fix to your concern. General Motors and its dealers attempt to help
customers in every way reasonably possible to maintain their satisfaction with their products. The terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty provide for the repair or replacement of any part proven to be defective in material or workmanship.
Although this may be an inconvenient situation for you, we encourage you to continue to work with your dealer. They are in the best position to advise you when a fix will be out for your concern. If you have any further questions, please contact us again and refer to your request number, C-06585187.
For your paint concern, we suggest you contact your local Chevrolet dealer to verify if there is a defect.
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Sorry for the book, but since this board has been so helpful, I wanted to repay the service.
tidester
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Anyone else encounter that? I know the manufacturer jacks up the air pressure for transportation, so the dealer obviously dropped the ball. This would be the same dealer that installed the roof rack cross bars backwards.
Also, my TB LS came with a PF59 oil filter (build date 11/01). The manual says use a PF58, but Autozone says go with the PF59. The dealer said use what the manual specifies, "but why don't you let us change it for you when the light comes on" (I'll bet they'll check the air in the tires too). Anyone know the difference between these two filters?
6,000 miles and I need to change the oil again. The light still hasn't come on.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
Thanks.
If enough of us write, they may do something!
GAM2
http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/accessories/accessdetailEnv_132.html
you'll see GM does make the black anodized aluminum and clear anodized aluminum assist steps for the Envoy.
How much will gas mileage fall off in going from a 3.42 to a 3.73 axle? How about from a 3.73 to a 4.10? What's likely to fail or prematurely wear out if I slightly exceed the 5700 lb towing limit of the 3.73.
What kind of mileage are people getting?
Are you aware of any problem with the new Trailblazer that are likely to cause any longevity/durability issues?
I see the Onstar subscription as a secondary insurance and probably won't renew. I already pay a good penny for insurance here in NJ. If someone wants it, they'll get it!
I'd like to print a copy of the tSB and take it with me. Thanks
Don't forget that dealers are not locked into their parts prices. You can negotiate them just like you did when you bought your car. I have read in some postings that if you mention the price from gmpartsdirect.com or some other company, a dealer may match it, or meet you halfway. Good luck.
1. Current Dealer with which you are working, City and State
2. Purchased new or used (if used, mileage at purchase).
Within a day, I received the message above (msg# 2549). Tai Evans email address is: customerassistance@talkolds.com - which seems like some sort of general or functional mailbox.
I read in an earlier post (not sure of the msg #) to open a case number with NHTSA regarding the wandering mirrors, so I did before I sent Oldsmobile the email. I want them to know I mean business.
I agree, the more people that send Oldsmobile an email voicing their concern, the better chance we stand in getting them to listen and fix the problem(s). The way I see it, not every person is going to run to the dealer to report a "problem". Because of this, Oldsmobile will only see a small percentage of the problem vehicles. Since email is so effective (and easy), if all owners email Oldsmobile/GM/Chevrolet, then we (the owners), will paint a complete picture of the situation and it will hopefully lead to TSB's issued by each of the manufacturers.
Thanks.
Also, don't forget to put the spare back with the valve stem facing down... makes checking the pressure/adding air to the spare a whole lot easier.
I would not consider pulling above the maximum capacity of the truck. Longevity of the power train is one consideration. However, the real issue is that neither the frame, towing system, nor the weight of the truck will accomodate towing above what the truck is rated for. It's a safety issue more than anything. I personally wouldn't want to be on the road near you in heavy traffic or with a strong crosswind if you pull more than 6,300 pounds with a triplet.
As for gas mileage, 21.9 is my best tank (nearly all highway), 16.9 is my worst tank (all city). Don't worry too much about the 4.11 rear end and gas mileage. It will get a little bit lower mileage than the 3.42, but the difference is probably not more than 2 mpg highway. When towing, the 4.11 rear end will probably get better mileage than the other gearing options. Around town I doubt you will see any difference. The higher rear end will pull more weight, so if towing capacity is you issue, go with that gearing.