http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/I just wish the dealership weren't in the middle of nowhere.
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if anyone's doing a group buy in the santa clara/san jose, CA area,
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. i'm very interested in
picking up one of these beasts. : )
'92 Talon Tsi AWD
'97 Impreza Outback Sport
17-inch alloys, 225-width tires
larger intercooler with water sprayer
larger turbo (higher boost but more lag?)
Stainless steel valves
4-piston front calipers, 2-piston rears
Possibly bump the displacement to 2.2 liters and slightly higher compression ratio?
Better flowing intake and exhaust
Fog light covers with the STi logo
and of course, AVCS (variable valve timing)
The WRX STi has actually been available in the UK and Australian gray market for quite some time. But the word is, next year, Subaru will be exporting STi officially will full factory warranty. If the demand for the WRX proves to be high over here in the US, then Subaru will have no reason not to include the STi in their line up. That's more money in their pocket. The US is their largest export market with about 170,000 vehicles sold last year. Though most were locally made Legacies and Outbacks.
my 2 cents
Anyway, I really hope that you guys buy as many WRXs as you want and prove to Subaru that there is a demand here. They really just might decide to include the US in their STi market.
I might even end up with a "regular" WRX too. If Subaru decides to send us the STi in two-door coupe form only, then I'm gonna pass. I want a four door sedan.
Meanwhile, I guess I'll have to drive around in my little Talon Tsi AWD for now.
My 2 cents
'92 Talon Tsi AWD
Ported 16G Upgrade Turbo
Ported exhaust manifold
Ported oxygen sensor housing
Griffin Front Mount Intercooler
2.5' mandrel bent piping from downpipe to exhaust tip (larger cat converter intake and exit)
Modified MAF sensor (honey comb removed)
Denso Fuel Pump Upgrade
ACT 2600lbs clutch
Manual Boost Controller
APEX EGT and Boost Gauge
16X6.5 Alloys/Dunlop 8000 225/50ZR16
Its a big shame Subaru has a great car but a stupid sales team!
I think I'm going to clean my Jetta today, make it look shiny and go back to the same dealership and proclaim to the car sharks "you had me at hello"(from Jerry Mcquire, movie). Now lets talk about the WRX if they even know it existed or what it is.
Anyone know of a Subaru webpage I can vent my frustrations?
Oh by the way there are only about 3 Subaru dealers in the state of Florida. North Miami, Tampa, and Deerfield Beach. That means a long drive to each. Which is another shame, location sucks...
Do people know if this WRX is on a different/newer Impreza chasis as the one I would have driven? Given a few more inches (that a couple of people mentioned versus the older 2.5RS) it would be an interesting choice.
It is truly amazing to me all the great vehicles that can't be had in the States---Lancer Evos, Galant VR-4s, Skyline GT-R, the fast Pugeuots, heck, even the Land Rover Defender. With the WRX coming, we'll have the first of the Japanese cheap supercars at least.
As for turbo longevity, I drive a 1987 Volvo 745 Turbo with 170k miles, original turbo, K&N, freer exhaust, and a raised boost level. It's been driven hard with regular oil (but strict 5k changes) and some spool-down time on every drive. No turbo problems at all. If it did need a turbo rebuild, one would be looking at $700 or so. The older Subaru turbos (GL-10s and the like) sold in the States have done okay with good handling and TLC.
It is lsightly longer, and wider and 250% "stiffer" according to press releases.
As for which cars might be in the same price/performance, don't forget the future rotary 2+2 Mazda. I'd consider that so that I don't have to wonder about turbo reliability. It would have been nicer if Subaru had the SVX in turbo form... imagine a horizontal six with turbo?!
In any case, Subaru still has a weak image as compared to Toyota, Honda or Nissan. That's why you don't see people rushing to get GMs (supercharged six) that can get almost the same performance as the WRX.
Someone say AWD may not be able to have foldable seats (like Passat 4motion and 2.5RS) but A4 quattro got them....
P.S. I won't pay $30k for a V6 Subaru.
bedabi - good for you! Hope you are able to get the car you want.
Just a reminder--Subaru does not have a V-6. The engine is a "flat" or H-6.
And, you CAN buy an H6 for less than $30,000. If interested, I can give you the name of a dealer about an hour and a half from you. The engine, BTW, is really a great improvement over the 2.5.
Just my 2 cents...
I have a european magazine article with pics of the euro version. Those wheels look real nice, like bigger sized stock wheels.
That guage pack has a boost gauge, voltmeter, and oil temp. right? No oil pressure? If not, guess I'll pass on the gauge set.
I also am disappointed by the lack of oil pressure in the gauge pack. Bag the voltmeter, give me oil pressure. Or better, give me both.
I can answer definitively based on the brochure I received yesterday, that the rear seat in the sedan does NOT fold. There is an armrest/passthru. The wagon gets 60/40 split folding rear seats. The wagon does get a small spoiler at the top of the rear window, the spoiler on the sedan is optional.
"Thanks for your inquiry. We are very well aware of the WRX, and understand your disgust with the dealers in your area. I can't say it makes me proud to be a Subaru dealer, but I'll happily take the business that they choose to ignore.
Our pricing policy is currently $5 under sticker- not trying to be cute, but we want to be able to let people preserve some pride, while recognizing that we could sell the cars well above sticker if we chose to do so. We currently have five sold orders in, and the deadline for the first allocation is January 26th. We expect our first cars to arrive mid-March.
I just returned from Detroit where I was able to see the car firsthand, and I'm very excited about it. There are many people who are understandably reticent about buying a car they have never seen, so our Subaru rep is bringing a WRX up here on February 8th. You are welcome to come up then and have a look (though you'll miss the first round of ordering, if that matters to you).
If you have any further questions, please let me know. If you'd like to talk, call me at 1-800-242-1562.
If you'd like, I can also add you to my WRX "mailserv" list, which will give you regular updates on the WRX.
ps--if you live in Denver and are considering an Audi, VW, or Volvo--stay away from McDonald! They are awful, both pre-sale and after-sale! Go to Prestige for Audi, they're way cool.
Keep trying, dont fall into their grasp.
I just wish the dealership weren't in the middle of nowhere.
The GSX has 210hp and AWD too. GSX is probably slower but it has better look. It is so bad Mit. gave up the turbo/AWD version.
Mit., do you have any plan to bring Lancer Evo. to the US ? Probably not....
Also, I used to believe in the 'good customer' approach, hoping that I'd be treated better when I go back. But in MOST dealership, the sales and service departments are not so closely connected. Very often the service dept. couldn't care less where you bought the car from! (No argument, please, this is just my experience.)
The quality of Subaru dealers varies a LOT. Here is the asking price of a 2001 Legacy GT Wagon from two dealers 15 miles apart:
A: $3000 above MSRP + "Are you buying the car today or not?"
B: 2.5% above invoice + "Here is the key, enjoy the test drive."
Guess where I would go if I am buying the WRX?
By the way, dealer B is taking deposit for WRX. At this point, they ask for 8% over invoice. If you look at the price of Legacy GT (about same price range), their WRX price would be $400-500 below MSRP. This seems like a reasonable asking price to me.
I just moved here and I realize that there are many rich people in Silicon Valley, but I think dealer A and people go to dealer A should be slapped hard until they can think clearly.
Off the topic: The VW dealer here is just as bad. On the 2001 Passat wagon, I got $3000 over MSRP and the "I will not discuss the price with you unless you are ready to buy." crap. I'd rather fly to LA and get the same car for a no haggle $700 above invoice.
My brother ordered a yellow, automatic, sedan. The subie support line said there was no yellow coming, it was just on a prototype car. the NW headquarters for subie thought the same but said they would call Japan just to be sure. Japan says order away on the yellow, they are on their way. He also ordered the rear wing which I think is about $350 and it is installed at the destination dock when it comes off the ship, they are prepainted so I hope they can't mess that up. The 17" wheel option could be duplicated cheeper just by going to about any tire shop, I really don't think they will sell many of this option. My brother put a $50 deposit and is paying MSRP (no tax at least here in Montana so that really is going to be a better deal then $1000 under invoice.) I can't wait to see it, they haven't gotten any firm dates in yet, but he is the first to put deposit down on a yellow, at the dealer that has consistantly been on of the top volume dealers in the NW, so it looks good.
Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi had better run for the drawing boards. The WRX will just obliterate the sport compact class!! I have a Prelude VTEC and I certainly don't want to see that thing in my rear view.
Subaru has just hit a home run. If they can hold their dealer to sell at MSRP (and not a "market adjusted value markup of 10grand or whatever the hell they charge) then Subaru had better keep those factories open all night to produce it. I'm really thinking of placing an order now!!!