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Akirby's right too. Now you need the intake and exhaust (oops! input and output) devices to go with it.
Let us know how you like XP.
have finally purchased a black on black v8 ls with moon roof, premium package with chrome wheels. Got a stellar deal from a guy at varsity
lincoln here in michigan. I need some repairs and they were spectacular. Very help full. When I metioned that the trans comp. be reflashed they took a double take. Surprised that I knew what I was talking about. Thanks to what I learnded in this town hall. for 24,000$
out the door I got exactly what I wanted with 15,000 miles on the vehicle.
Does anybody know if I can put xenon lights in my ls?
It is very annoying. If you are successful please email me directly so I can have my dealer try the same thing.
Otherwise I love the car--a 2000 LS-8 with 32K.
I too have experienced the dreaded death on rolling stop several times. Many times as I roll up to a toll booth and other times stopping for a read light. I have never had it happen while turning. The car always starts right away.
The dealer has never been able to duplicate the problem and as usual if they can't duplicate it they ASSUME there is nothing wrong.
If you ever are successful if having this diagnosed please post. 2000 LS-8 Auto
I do not know if that is true, but worth checking.
Mine happened only once on a hard right/ hard stop combination. I believe the tank was less than 1/4 full.
http://www.mustangworks.com/autonews/FordPR-SEMA-FR500-11021999.html
"Up front the MacPherson strut system was replaced with a bolt-on double A-arm suspension. It consists of a rear upper arm from a Lincoln LS and a fabricated lower arm.
Springs and shocks are similar in design to the Lincoln LS, but have rates and valving unique to the FR500.
This setup moves the front axle 5 inches forward, giving the FR 500 a wheelbase of 106.3 inches … versus 101.3 for the stock configuration
It’s also one of the keys to achieving a 50/50 weight distribution."
So the Cobra uses the LS rear suspension, and the FR500 used the front suspension as well. Hmmm, why don't they just start with an LS, and add more power. Oh yeah, then it wouldn't be a Mustang.
The Mustang motors already have a full infrastructure for go fast peices, but there is not much available for the LS. As I mentioned, there are a few issues with a Cobra engine swap, but there is no reason that I couldn't get 300 HP from the LS motor. So I guess I could live with that. Port heads, K&N, Borla, ..., etc.
It is the next 100 Hp that is the issue. I'm just trying to think this project through before I get started. Thanks again.
George
bob550k: You really can't go wrong. Pick the color you like. '00s had issues with rear window regulators and automatic transmission programming, both resolved. Early '00s had problems with the heat elements in the seats, also corrected. Some '00 and '01 owners have had vibration problems at highway speeds, and they have occasionally been difficult to diagnose, so make sure your test drive includes some speed.
And do lots of smiling exercises between now and the time you buy, so your facial muscles will be in shape for the near-legendary LSGrin.:)
Scott
LLSOC Member
The current SN95 Mustang is still a modified Fox platform which traces it roots back to the late 70's, i.e., the Ford Fairmont. There's no relationship between the LS and that platform. The LS suspension was designed specifically for the DEW 98 platform. So far, akirby is correct. Look for the next generation Mustang to be on a modified DEW 98 platform.
(That reminds me - gotta file my taxes!!)
What do you LS drivers think of the silver-gray Aviator dash treatment. Looks pretty slick to me in the Aviator photos, I just wonder how its look will hold up over time.
Warning. Trips to the store that used to take 10 minutes will suddenly triple in time and mileage. You will find yourself needing milk or bread at odd times. You'll actually try to think of excuses to drive somewhere. It's addicting - enjoy it!
http://detnews.com/2002/autosconsumer/0203/13/a02-437584.htm
I like the look but don't think I would like to live with it every day (kinda like yellow cars - love to look at them but couldn't stand to see them every day). As long as it isn't overly prone to scratches I think it will be ok over time. Not sure I like that look for a luxury car, though. But if you replace the silver finish with a nice light or medium wood finish I think it would be very nice indeed.
Out front they had two new LSE's, one black, one silver. Didnt get a chance to check the sticker on interior, but the ground effects (small side skirts, different front bumper cover/spoiler with round fog lights, and skirt around the rear bumper cover) and small trunk lip spoiler looked subtle but very sharp. Ditto for the quad chrome exhaust tips protruding out the back. Had the same 17 inch rims that come on the Sport package, but they were the muted grey/titanium color, identical to the color on the many Mustangs I see driving around. Personally, I prefer a more highly olished rim, similar to the ones the FIKSE makes, but thats just my opinion.
Asked the service guy if he knew anything about an upcoming SVT model, and he said he knew nothing. Then again, he's service, not sales.
I wasn't as fond of the green that replaced it, but then in this market segment it seems colors get changed often. Wonder how many were made in Estate Green?
JS
LLSOC Charter Member
'00 LS V8 Sport
"The Aviator, which takes its styling cues from the larger Lincoln Navigator sport-utility, will be powered by a dual overhead V-8 engine that can produce at least 300 horsepower. Lincoln has not released other specifics."
What exactly is a "dual overhead V-8 engine?" Or should I say what exactly ARE dual overhead V-8 engines? The wording is also strange in the power production area. Of course, it CAN produce at least 300 horsepower (especially if there are two of them), I am more interested in what it WILL produce. I guess this early this is the best we can expect, but I would have liked a little less fuzzy writing.
They are a little behind in stock as the supplier is having to produce them for the cars being assembled as well as to satisfy Pent-Up Demand.
Anyways I figure our dealers will have them in the next month or so.
Regards,
Victor
LLSOC Member
Mike
LLSOC Charter Member
http://www.lincolnvehicles.com/vehicles/vehi_LS/ls_image02.html
This appears to be a signature wheel design for upcoming Lincolns; the '03 Town Car and '03 Navigator have similar designs (but with more spokes & chrome finishes.)
The 32 valve, four cam, Romeo/Intech will come in the Aviator as it does in the Cobra, Navigator, and soon to be extinct Continental. I'm sure the cam profiles are changed with the model, depending on where they need the torque peak.
The article on the Ford Mustang FR500 was interesting. When the DEW 98 is used for the Mustang and especially the SVT Cobra, we will see what mods are in store to install the Romeo/Intech as I don't think they will use the 3.9 from the LS. Maybe I should say that we will see what it takes to install a Romeo/Intech into an LS instead. When the Mustang/DEW98 appears, we will see (finally) an IRS rear end with LSD that should fit the DEW 98 platform. Too bad these are unibody. In the old days, just unbolt the body of the Mustang and put the LS body on. But you can bet they will shorten the DEW 98 for the Mustang unless they want big rear seats. Hey, they used to make a 4 door M3; why not a 4 door Cobra?
Since the Cobra uses the T56 Tremec with the Romeo/Intech, why not drop that drivetrain in an old LS. Pretty soon, the Continentals will get really cheap, and one could get the 4 valver, change the intake and cams and drop one in an LS.
If all this sounds confusing, the point is that any large company can mix and match existing parts at will. It's no secret that they try various combinations. An LS was put together with the V-8 and the Tremec. A Duratech was mated with an Rx-7 five-speed Manual with overdrive. LM could put the Romeo/Intech, Tremec and Cobra IRS/LSD rear into an LS. They will be when they do the new Mustang Cobra. I read in 2000 that he Cobra and IRS rears were built on the same line. Nothing a little welding couldn't change.
It's just a matter of will.
Depending on the weight of the Aviator, and the HP selected, it could be a fast SUV. But I'm sure the marketing guys will make sure the Aviator has less HP than the more expensive Navi. Remember, if it wasn't for those guys, we could all have cars with Ferrari performance in our garages. With mass production, it would get down to the cost of labor and materials pretty quick. Henry Ford was right. It's the marketing guys who corrupt the true potential of mass production. They even predict sales by product and price point.
I'm in real estate. We have the same games. Luckily, my lobotomy didn't take.
My dealer put in the Regulators right after Mania III (Remember my window failed right after I got back) No new part number from their part..Also he said it looked like the old part.
I will verify with my Lincoln Contact.
Sit Tight avlv.
Regards,
Airwolf
Mike
LLSOC Charter Member
In any case I'm pissed. Here we are being jerked around getting rear head rests removed, full size spare tire deleted and subwoofers taken away so the LS can fit into an EPA weight class. This all on a low volume (60,000 a year) car while congress backs out of imposing any sort of mileage requirements on Pickup trucks that sell 1,000,000 of them a year. I didn't catch whether SUV's were let off the mileage hook or not.
I didnt even tell them about the rattle in the B pillar. Personally, Ive never had great luck with dealerships finding interior rattles, and the chances of introducing another rattle is too high. Ill take the stuff apart one day myself and investigate.
Had worse luck with two dings I recently recieved. One in my passenger side quarter panel and the other dead center of the fuel filler door. The local dent wizard type place that has a contract with the dealer stated that they couldnt fix either due to a brace that runs horizontally across the backside of the fuel filler door, and because of the location of the one right beside it in the quarter panel. Turns out there is some form of processor that is mounted behind the carpet in the trunk, attached to the quarter panel. Removing it requires it to be detached from the wiring connected to it. Once you do this, the dealer has to reprogram the processor after you reconnect the wires. About 2.5 hours labor would be charged for the reprogramming.
So, looks like I need to purchase a new fuel filler door, get it painted and installed. The ding in the quarter panel has to stay I guess. Anyone know anything about this processor in the trunk?
With regard to them building any combination they want, it's not that easy. True, they can do whatever they want at will when experimenting. It's another story to sell production versions. Each new combo has to be EPA certified. I think that's at least a 50K mile program. They also have to be crash-tested. A different engine and/or trans combination might perform differently in a crash. These certification programs are time consuming and expensive. You can understand their reluctance to certify lots of different models. Chevy built one manual Impala SS. It was never certified for production.
As far as dropping Continental engines into the LS, I think it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to put a block designed for FWD use into a RWD car. I have a sneaking suspicion there's plenty of wrecked Mustang GT's around that you can pull an engine out of (albeit the 2V version). These things don't have exorbitant insurance premiums because they never get into accidents.
A total replacement is usually via the output cooler line to the radiator. There are places that advertise "total replacement". I know Bilstein even makes a machine that flushes out your crankcase!
Drolds1 - I mean building lots of one model: an LS with the Cobra drivetrain that will be built soon on the DEW 98 chassis. Just dreamin'.
So knowing where it was and armed with an 8mm nut driver I replaced the filter in 10 minutes for $5.95. Removing the wheel simplifies the procedure, then it's off with the wheel well liner, a 5 mm bolt holding the filter clamp and presto it's off.
Conversely what I saved on the LS was reinvested on my daughters VW Fox which needed a new clutch 200 miles from home to the tune of $815.
C'est la vie
They were advertising a "u" shaped clamp that had suction cups on each leg of the "u". You use these to attach this clamp to the car. In the middle of this clamp is a threaded screw which also has a suction cup on it. The tool looks to be 6-8 inches long.
The object of the game is to attach the clamp to the car, and then draw out the ding using the cup on the end of the screw. Like most of these $29.95 "wonder tools", I have some doubts, but the principle seem to have merit. You may want to watch the early Sunday infomercials, as I just saw this for the first time, so I'm sure that it will be around for a while.
Artie - the Continental engine isn't a FWD engine per se. In fact I think the continental is the only FWD implementation of the modular 4.6L. The others are all RWD: Expedition, Explorer/Mountaineer, F-150, Town Car, Mustang GT, Crown Vic/Gran Marquis, etc.
Rumor is that the new DEW98 mustang will get a new 5.0L DOHC engine. Might just be a bored and/or stroked 4.6L or it could be all new. But I think the 5.4L is strictly a big truck engine. I have it in my Expedition and it's not the smoothest engine in the world. I would much prefer to see the AJ V8 stroked to 4.2L like Jag with VVT and better breathing. And it already fits under the hood. And has a supercharger available. And a matching tranny.
Once the 42 volt electrical systems are here I think you'll see electric superchargers that can be computer controlled to vary the amount of boost (or turn it off entirely).
The LS V-8 is an awsome engine. I don't understand the thinking of trying to speculate about a truck engine being placed into a road car.
The warranty documents you got with the car should clarify this.
When will we start seeing 42 volt systems? Are they at least 2 years out yet?