Well i am sure now that it is coming from the back window not the one that rolls down though. It is the little window behind that one, sorry don't know that technical name for it. It seem to be only the one behind the drivers side and appears to be loose and experiences the same symptoms that xwray spoke of but the window could be all the way up or down. I am not sure how to fix this issue but I will look through the LLSOC member site to see if I can find the message thread that jhoffman6 spoke of. thanks for keeping me informed.
I have experienced the stalls about 6 times so far and it is quite frustrating and not to mention embarrassing when your beautiful LS is dead at the stop light and folks behind you are blowing the horn.
It has always happened to me when I have to make a quick stop, usually to keep from running a stop light, after being at speeds over 50. Whats so bad about it is the car runs so quite I never notice that the car is dead until I go to accelerate from the stop light.
I hope this issue get addressed very soon because my warranty expires in about 4500 miles.
My wife and I have had a 96 ford contour since it was new and it seems that Ford has some problems keeping their cars together as they age. Our Contour has had more than it's share of problems and now as my Lincoln ages it too seems to be plagued with things that don't happen as frequently to European or Japanese luxury cars. I have friends with both Euro and/or [non-permissible content removed] lux cars which are much older and still today they seem to keep the occupants in the a cabin that isnt plagued with little nuisance noises.
Sorry for the rant but these very issues are my pet peeves and very well could keep me from buying from Ford Motor Company or other US car makers.
Dealer called me, and stated they just completed replacement of the other window regulator (one that wasnt broken) per the TSB. When I went in, I asked as yo why the TSB wasnt initally found on the "Ford Computer". He stated something to the effect of "it all depends on the search criteria that you use". Said that they usually first enter the VIN # of a vehicle, and any open TSB's will appear. Or, he said sometimes they place in maybe MORE search criteria than needed, sometimes bringing back different results.
Sounds "interesting" to me. But bottom line, they did adhere to the TSB once I presented it to them. Did cost Lincoln at least $36.00 more than it should have, (extra day of the rental car) and some inconvenience to me for having to take it back again. The cost to Lincoln bothers me the most, as that cost will somehow get passed back down to all of us...
Has the engineer you spoke with been in contact with Jonathan? Jonathan was a passenger in my car for two consecutive runs through the autocross course at Mania 3 where my LS stalled. I'm sure Jonathan can accurately recount the circumstances for him. In every instance my LS stalled, it restarted immediately and without hesitation.
As my car has not stalled outside of an autocross event, I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of this issue. However, I do find this issue to be intriguing and unusual. As you know, the stalls that occured at the autocross event all happened at the exact same place . . . at the end of the course when we had to stop for our time slip. After crossing the finish line (when the engine rpms were in excess of 5000, at or near WOT), the driver had to execute a short radius, 90-degree left-hand turn, followed by an equivalent right-hand turn before coming to a complete stop, all in about a 50-yard distance under steady and firm braking (zero throttle). The engine would stumble and stall shortly after coming to a complete stop (no lateral forces on the car - thus, not DURING the turn).
Thanks for the update and be sure to keep us posted on what you learn.
All of them contacted me based on contact with Jonathan. I indicated it Occurred to us stopping for the Time Slip. BTW. Just an interesting note. We all turned right just before it straightened out for the slip...
Here was the Sequence, Snake Course, Checker Flags, Quick Left and then a right, then straight to time slip guy. Applying Brakes. Pick up Time Slip. Hit Gas (Dead). I agree with yours, sounds like mine. However we had just been through Right hand Turn (Last in Sequence Before small Straight...
Which side of the tank is the Transfer Pump on? Does is pump both ways?
The technical term for that little window behind the back window is "that little window behind the back window". Thanks to my years of experience in the automotive industry, I know those things. Some might call it a rear quarter window, but they are overly technical. Anyone who doesn't know what you are talking about is too far gone for any help.
I received the notice in the mail this morning about the thermostat recall. Never have had a problem. At noon today, the thermostat stuck shut and the temp gauge went all the way up, and the message came on to check the temperature. Talk about timing--how did Lincoln know it was going to happen today. Dealer has the car now to fix. My dealer has been great, but was unaware of the recall, had not seen the problem before; and, of course, does not have the part although he expects to get it right away. At least I have a loaner. Apparently, this thermostat sticking can happen at any time without warning.
On the thermostat recall, can someone tell me which vehicles are affected. I am taking my car in this afternoon for yet another fogged passenger side headlight (49800 miles, talk about close) and figured I would mention it to them. I'm sure they'll have to order the new headlight in so I may as well try and save a trip if the thermostat needs replacement.
Hey brunobus you would happen to have the TSB # for the fogged headlights do ya. Mine have been doing it, well 1 then the 2nd, but didn't know there was a tsb for it. If not I will pilfer the list myself.
I don't believe there is a formal TSB for the fogged headlights. I had both my headlight unit assemblies replaced early in 2000 for fogging. Since the headlight assemblies are not sealed units, they will fog from time to time, although they should clear themselves fairly quickly. If your headlights are fogged when you bring your car in for service, he should replace them without question.
I had a similiar problem with my 02 LS. The check advancetrac light would come on and would not shut off until the car was stopped and restarted. The dealer did some kind of diagnostics and replaced 1 wheel sensor and some kind of main control unit. Since that was done, I haven't had a problem.
Does anyone know if the replacement thermostat is a "fail-safe" design? These new types of thermostats are built so that if they fail, they fail in the open position. If it's cold weather the heater won't work but it won't overheat.
Don't know nuber of TBS, but in January I had mine replaced, without argument from seervice mgr. I was in for oil change and told him of problem. It was moreso in left than right but he replaced both. This was in car I had had 2.5 yrs. No mention of numbers(recall or TBS). Just hope for same with windows, when as and if it occurs.
Got a postcard in mail saying part is in for left window regulator. Part number used is:
1W4Z-5427009-AB REG ASY-RR DR WDO EL
From prior messages this would appear to be the correct one. The part number on the invoice for the drivers side rear window was same as above except it had an 8 instead of 9 before the -AB.
Seems the burner boys have found out that the LS headlights look cool and fit into some of the Japanese models fairly easily so that's why there's a brisk trade on them on ebay.
I have owned a 00 LS8 Sport since new - early build w/Alpine, full sized spare, etc. - and I work near downtown Atlanta. Perhaps I can give you some specific insights - and a maybe even a drive.
If you would like to contact me off this forum, my e-mail address is: rayainsw@aol.com
Cheers, - Ray Charter member LLSOC - but sadly unable to attend the Mania3 preview of the 03s - and in a quandry about replacing the 00 . . .
Who has been wondering lately about the conversation come trade-in time, when the dual MagnaFlows on the 00 will be discussed . . .
Sorry - no. Cheers, - Ray Who lost any interest in all basketball when Bill Russell retired. . . Picked it up for a while again during the Larry Bird era. . . But never paid much attention to College hoop.
Anyobdy got details on timing for the introduction of the AMG-equivalent "McLaren LS". The story was mentioned in "Automotive News, March 18, 2002". Supposedly there will be a packaged available through dealers for retrofitting but no mentioned was made of timing.
I almost bought a new 5spd last year-the auto press seemed extremely positive about shift quality of this Getrag box. So I was surprised to find it a little stiff and clunky. Does it smooth out with a few thousand miles use? I bought a Passat instead,which I love,but I do still admire the LS6. I think it is one of the sharper cars on the road. I don't know why the manual seems so little stocked by the dealers.
I haven't received a recall notice yet, but my 2000 LS V8 had this problem last year. It happened twice, I went to dealer and they couldn't find a problem. Then it happened 3 more times. Luckily, the last time I was in front of the dealer, so just turned in and showed them. I suggested it could be a faulty thermostat, and sure enough, it was. Lot's of fun when the engine goes into safe mode. When I pulled over, sat for a few minutes, then started the car it would go away.
Hello again, I have a 2001 LS8 Sport. I was sitting for about 2 days in 60 degree weather and when i went to start it...it just turned over acting as if no gas was in it. I immediately looked at the gas gauge which read 3/4 tank. I continued to try to start it and once again it just acted as if it had no gas with a clunking sound comming from the truck as if something was pumping itself from there. As far as I know the only thing in the trunk is the battery. Anyway after several more tries it finally started and I have not had the problem since.
Just wondering if anyone else out there experienced this problem.
What type of noise did it make the first two times? Was it a normal cranking sound or was it just a clicking noise? If it was just a clicking noise then it's not a fuel problem. And since it cranked on the 3rd try it probably wasn't a dead battery either. My guess is the starter.
I heard the starter turning but it was just a pumping sound coming from the trunk area. The battery was not dead at all. I just repeated the starting procedure and then it started. It had a very bad smell (was not gas) more like engine burn-off (from a brand new car) when it started. Since then I have had no more problems with it. Hopefully it was a one time situation.
My "cricket" was located just below the little window behind the big window on the rear passenger side. The dealer said there was a broken clip on the inside door panel allowing it to move and create the chirping. Anyway, I no longer feel like shooting the door when I am driving.
Also, the dealler replaced both of my headlights for fogging - no questions asked (build date 01/01).
Fuel pumps are usually mounted inside the fuel tanks these days. You probably heard the pump running dry, which would explain no starting. Luckily for you, what ever it was with the pump cleared itself up.
Did they replace the clip for you? Or lend any Information as to how it could be muted?
I just got back from my LM Service shop today to have the tag lamp replaced and yet 2 more regulators for the windows. Also, the fogged up headlamps but they wouldn't replace the headlights. They said and I quote "We have a letter from ford stating that we are to no longer replace the lamps and are to just advise you to turn on your headlights to vaporize the humidity"
what a crock. and I have been dealing with this unsightly sore on the front of my car for months now only to be told this. Yet you shop swaps them right out.
Well i put in a call to the ford roadside asst 800 number and they are going to return my call with an answer within 48 hours. Heck at least the thing still runs good which is more than I can say about our 96 Contour that we have owned since it was new. My faith in US luxury cars has slowly diminished over the past year.
I will let you guys know what ford says about the headlight situation but I would like to know if anyone else has been served the same BS.
I have been reading here for months, finally decided to post.
I saw a disturbing ad over the weekend from our friends at Lexus. The commercial is for their airbags or something, but anyway it shows their car coming to a stop sign in bad weather and other vehicles coming at it out of control. They show a Tahoe/Yukon/Escargot type, a New Beetle, a '71 Mustang and a LINCOLN LS!!! Has anyone else noticed this. Are they implying that the LS is unstable or undrivable in bad weather?
My '00 V8 Sport certainly seemed to be handling fine today at 65mph on the slush/snow/ice covered freeways around Cleveburg, OH.
To add to the 'cricket' discussion...I have traced my driver's side back seat squeak to the outside beltline molding (at the bottom of the window). If I have the window in full upright and locked position it will squeak at temps above about 40. I can make it squeak by pushing on it manually. In a quiet garage you can hear it plain as day. If I 'bump' the window down slightly the noises go away. Dealer says all is fine - got the standard 'cannot duplicate' note (did not care!).
Anyway, enjoy the discussions for the most part on this board. Lease is up in 3 months, trying to decide what is next. Eyeing the Aviator to replace Mountaineer, but not sure about getting another end-of-year LS again.
I don't have one, but some of our resident manual enthusiasts report that the transmission does smooth out considerably after some break in. The V6 also becomes much more willing and freer-revving. I know they're scarce, but try to find one with some miles on it to test drive before making a decision.
It sounds as if we all are having the same squeak at the back quarter window at the passengers side behind the driver. You had mentioned that the dealer said all is fine; I was wondering if they fixed it or was that in reference to something else.
Since so many other folks are having the same issue I am going to ask the Ford rep at the Road Side asst number if anything can be done about it. I love my car with a doubt but it is these little things that, dare I say it.. figured I would add that since Tom Cruise did at the oscars, makes me wish someone would steal it so I could buy a Lexus or BMW. This car is way to new to sound like it has been drive 50K miles down a bumpy dirt road.
I would recommend that those of you that aren't near the end of the lease or looking to trade any time soon to call the Ford Road Side asst # and report the squeak to see if they will authorize your service shop to make the repair. I know I am.
What the heck does Roadside Assistance have to do with a warranty fix? Wouldn't you call the Customer Assistance Center (CAC)? Or is it the same number?
On the rear door panel they replaced the clip. They did not give me any hassle at all. Except the first repair did not completely work (initially eliminated the cricket, but it came back). On the second try they got it tight. Mine was definitely related to the door panel. A passenger could push in the inside door panel and eliminate the noise.
On the fogging headlights, they replaced those last October on my first 5,000 mile service.
Just wondering if Brian received any answers as to why Lincoln dealers seem to not receive TSB's from Lincoln, particularly the seemingly widespread lack of knowledge of the Window Regulator TSB
I have seen the freshed 2003 LS at Mania III. If you want to re-up into a LS, I would definitely extend my lease (if FOMOCR, they will extend for up to 6 months) and seriously consider the 2003 LS. Virtually all of the small shortcomings of the current model have been addressed as well as some very useful enhancements. I believe official introduction is November, but info should be trickling out by September. You won't be sorry.
However if you want a "bird in the hand" and want to take advantage of current discounts/rebates/owner loyalty rebates, I would not hesitate to go ahead with a 2002 LS. End of model year should not concern you as it will have all the latest running changes. Lincoln just announced a $100 price increase on LS, so a purchase from inventory will save you a c-note.
Jerry
2001 LS V-8 Sport owner, December build. AND 23,000+ trouble-free, delightful miles AND a definite repeat LS buyer at lease expiration.
OK, I've got a Getrag and the shifts are quite smooth. Everything loosened up a bit from new and it's quite satisfying to drive. Got 14000 miles now.
Rattles can be a real bummer - I hate em. Having said that, my LS has none. It's a great quiet ride. I did have one a while ago and I empathize with those trying to trace the source. An enclosed car can be a real echo chamber, making noises very difficult to trace. In my case, I was checkin windows, headliner, B pillar - everywhere the noise seemed to be coming from. Quite by accident I traced it to the boot around the 5speed shifter. Dealer replaced and all's quiet on the Western front again.
Yes it leads to the same cust service but the ACD is really wacked out. But it was the number the dealer gave me to follow up about the headlight issue with.
Thanks for the follow up. It helps boost the confidence when asking for something like that.
I think someone posted long ago about the headlight rules changing. IIRC the new rules attempt to distinguish between fogging lenses that clear up quickly from those that do not clear up for several days.
I would think repeated fogging and/or a long time to clear up is cause enough for replacement. It can't be - "don't replace them ever".
Dealers play a significant role in brand loyalty and quality perception yet they seem to think that throwing up their hands and blaming the faceless corporation is acceptable. All that gets them is a disgruntled customer who not only would not buy that brand again, but would never buy from that dealer - regardless of the brands sold. Pretty shortsighted.
Yes - the headlights are designed to allow for moisture but it should drain and/or evaporate quickly. That's easier than trying to design them so that water never gets in and then when it does - it has nowhere to get out. But there is (was?) a flaw that either allowed too much moisture in or not enough out such that the headlight would stay fogged up for days. I had mine washed on Saturday and it's still fogged up. That is not normal and those should be replaced. I'm sure some folks complain if they see a little moisture that quickly evaporates and those are the ones that should not be replaced - works as designed. (or as developers like to say - works as coded). I think that's probably the distinction that Lincoln is trying to make so they don't replace headlamps that are working properly.
jhoffman61 I certainly agree with you about the brand loyalty issues as I have owned several fords and as it stands right now I doubt that I would by a Ford badged product again.
I bought the Lincoln mostly because I love the looks and second because I was in the market for a luxury car that was US made, as I am trying to keep my dollars in estados unidos. This very well may be my last ford product of any badge as none of them seem to age as gracefully as the imports that my friends buy.
The car runs great and can't complain about that but little noises that make you want to drive off a bridge just send me off the edge. Especially when the thing cost well in the $40's.
Don't get me wrong i am still in love with the LS and they do say it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. I just hope I dont end up LoveLeSs.
as a footnote I am in the it takes weeks not days for the headlamps to clear up and stated that to my service advisor.
I'm about to hardwire my Passport 8500 into the car, to a switched 12 v source. Anything I should know about any computer weirdnesses or which circuits to avoid? Usually I use the radio fuse, and add a little spade lug jumper that brings power out at the fuse, just wanted to know if there is anything specific to the LS that's unusual.
I keep forgetting to turn off the darn thing, and the Passport has an annoying habit that if it gets below a certain voltage it goes into a software failure mode and has to be re-booted (cripes, a microsoft radar detector). I really love the expert display and size, but am not sure I'd pick it over the Valentine next time. Trouble is having anyone I know locally who has a V1 to compare with.
Now on to downloading the instructions for speaker installation from llsoc.com and put my Polk dx7 speakers in!
I have a 2000 V8 sport, and I've finally gotten a small squeak. It's between the front of the drivers door and the dash. Pushing in on either will stop it, but you have to push hard. I'm going to try lubing the rubber seals, and checking it out when I pull the doors for the speakers. It's very subtle, and can only be heard when the stereo's off.
Here's my main gripe, had to use the parking attendant today, and no way to lock the glovebox or trunk to keep the valet out. Have noticed this before, and it's always been kind of a pain. My car's been so good, just felt I had to put a gripe in to keep in practice. Not sure but I think this may have been dealt with in later models. Hey, if you're gonna have a Lincoln, they should assume you use valet parking. ;-)
I'm on the road right now in the great white Canadian north (Toronto) but as soon as I get back home (Texas)I'll pull out a notice I believe Jim Rogers had posted at the time on fogging lights. Mine did and I got the "it's normal" form the dealer. Once I showed him the posting, they swapped them out without question. Ray Chartrand Charter member LLSOC
Comments
-Noah
It has always happened to me when I have to make a quick stop, usually to keep from running a stop light, after being at speeds over 50. Whats so bad about it is the car runs so quite I never notice that the car is dead until I go to accelerate from the stop light.
I hope this issue get addressed very soon because my warranty expires in about 4500 miles.
My wife and I have had a 96 ford contour since it was new and it seems that Ford has some problems keeping their cars together as they age. Our Contour has had more than it's share of problems and now as my Lincoln ages it too seems to be plagued with things that don't happen as frequently to European or Japanese luxury cars. I have friends with both Euro and/or [non-permissible content removed] lux cars which are much older and still today they seem to keep the occupants in the a cabin that isnt plagued with little nuisance noises.
Sorry for the rant but these very issues are my pet peeves and very well could keep me from buying from Ford Motor Company or other US car makers.
Sounds "interesting" to me. But bottom line, they did adhere to the TSB once I presented it to them. Did cost Lincoln at least $36.00 more than it should have, (extra day of the rental car) and some inconvenience to me for having to take it back again. The cost to Lincoln bothers me the most, as that cost will somehow get passed back down to all of us...
Has the engineer you spoke with been in contact with Jonathan? Jonathan was a passenger in my car for two consecutive runs through the autocross course at Mania 3 where my LS stalled. I'm sure Jonathan can accurately recount the circumstances for him. In every instance my LS stalled, it restarted immediately and without hesitation.
As my car has not stalled outside of an autocross event, I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of this issue. However, I do find this issue to be intriguing and unusual. As you know, the stalls that occured at the autocross event all happened at the exact same place . . . at the end of the course when we had to stop for our time slip. After crossing the finish line (when the engine rpms were in excess of 5000, at or near WOT), the driver had to execute a short radius, 90-degree left-hand turn, followed by an equivalent right-hand turn before coming to a complete stop, all in about a 50-yard distance under steady and firm braking (zero throttle). The engine would stumble and stall shortly after coming to a complete stop (no lateral forces on the car - thus, not DURING the turn).
Thanks for the update and be sure to keep us posted on what you learn.
Chris - LLSOC Charter Member
All of them contacted me based on contact with Jonathan. I indicated it Occurred to us stopping for the Time Slip. BTW. Just an interesting note. We all turned right just before it straightened out for the slip...
Here was the Sequence, Snake Course, Checker Flags, Quick Left and then a right, then straight to time slip guy. Applying Brakes. Pick up Time Slip. Hit Gas (Dead). I agree with yours, sounds like mine. However we had just been through Right hand Turn (Last in Sequence Before small Straight...
Which side of the tank is the Transfer Pump on? Does is pump both ways?
Regards,
Victor
LOL
Bruno
LLSOC member
LOL
TIA
-NP
If you are a member of LLSOC, they have a Lincoln Master Tech that is very good at diagnosing these systems.
Mark
Scott
LLSOC Member
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813515760&r=0&t=0
Also couldnt help but notice that there are Lots of used LS headlight assemblies for sale. Whats up with that?
1W4Z-5427009-AB REG ASY-RR DR WDO EL
From prior messages this would appear to be the correct one. The part number on the invoice for the drivers side rear window was same as above except it had an 8 instead of 9 before the -AB.
I have owned a 00 LS8 Sport since new - early build w/Alpine, full sized spare, etc. - and I work near downtown Atlanta. Perhaps I can give you some specific insights - and a maybe even a drive.
If you would like to contact me off this forum, my e-mail address is: rayainsw@aol.com
Cheers,
- Ray
Charter member LLSOC - but sadly unable to attend the Mania3 preview of the 03s - and in a quandry about replacing the 00 . . .
Who has been wondering lately about the conversation come trade-in time, when the dual MagnaFlows on the 00 will be discussed . . .
Cheers,
- Ray
Who lost any interest in all basketball when Bill Russell retired. . . Picked it up for a while again during the Larry Bird era. . . But never paid much attention to College hoop.
Supposedly there will be a packaged available through dealers for retrofitting but no mentioned was made of timing.
As far as I know the only thing in the trunk is the battery. Anyway after several more tries it finally started and I have not had the problem since.
Just wondering if anyone else out there experienced this problem.
Thanks,
Krystalg
Since then I have had no more problems with it. Hopefully it was a one time situation.
Also, the dealler replaced both of my headlights for fogging - no questions asked (build date 01/01).
I just got back from my LM Service shop today to have the tag lamp replaced and yet 2 more regulators for the windows. Also, the fogged up headlamps but they wouldn't replace the headlights. They said and I quote "We have a letter from ford stating that we are to no longer replace the lamps and are to just advise you to turn on your headlights to vaporize the humidity"
what a crock. and I have been dealing with this unsightly sore on the front of my car for months now only to be told this. Yet you shop swaps them right out.
Well i put in a call to the ford roadside asst 800 number and they are going to return my call with an answer within 48 hours. Heck at least the thing still runs good which is more than I can say about our 96 Contour that we have owned since it was new. My faith in US luxury cars has slowly diminished over the past year.
I will let you guys know what ford says about the headlight situation but I would like to know if anyone else has been served the same BS.
thnx
I saw a disturbing ad over the weekend from our friends at Lexus. The commercial is for their airbags or something, but anyway it shows their car coming to a stop sign in bad weather and other vehicles coming at it out of control. They show a Tahoe/Yukon/Escargot type, a New Beetle, a '71 Mustang and a LINCOLN LS!!! Has anyone else noticed this. Are they implying that the LS is unstable or undrivable in bad weather?
My '00 V8 Sport certainly seemed to be handling fine today at 65mph on the slush/snow/ice covered freeways around Cleveburg, OH.
To add to the 'cricket' discussion...I have traced my driver's side back seat squeak to the outside beltline molding (at the bottom of the window). If I have the window in full upright and locked position it will squeak at temps above about 40. I can make it squeak by pushing on it manually. In a quiet garage you can hear it plain as day. If I 'bump' the window down slightly the noises go away. Dealer says all is fine - got the standard 'cannot duplicate' note (did not care!).
Anyway, enjoy the discussions for the most part on this board. Lease is up in 3 months, trying to decide what is next. Eyeing the Aviator to replace Mountaineer, but not sure about getting another end-of-year LS again.
Scott
LLSOC Member
Since so many other folks are having the same issue I am going to ask the Ford rep at the Road Side asst number if anything can be done about it. I love my car with a doubt but it is these little things that, dare I say it.. figured I would add that since Tom Cruise did at the oscars, makes me wish someone would steal it so I could buy a Lexus or BMW. This car is way to new to sound like it has been drive 50K miles down a bumpy dirt road.
I would recommend that those of you that aren't near the end of the lease or looking to trade any time soon to call the Ford Road Side asst # and report the squeak to see if they will authorize your service shop to make the repair. I know I am.
Have a good day.
-Noah
On the fogging headlights, they replaced those last October on my first 5,000 mile service.
However if you want a "bird in the hand" and want to take advantage of current discounts/rebates/owner loyalty rebates, I would not hesitate to go ahead with a 2002 LS. End of model year should not concern you as it will have all the latest running changes. Lincoln just announced a $100 price increase on LS, so a purchase from inventory will save you a c-note.
Jerry
2001 LS V-8 Sport owner, December build.
AND 23,000+ trouble-free, delightful miles AND
a definite repeat LS buyer at lease expiration.
Rattles can be a real bummer - I hate em. Having said that, my LS has none. It's a great quiet ride. I did have one a while ago and I empathize with those trying to trace the source. An enclosed car can be a real echo chamber, making noises very difficult to trace. In my case, I was checkin windows, headliner, B pillar - everywhere the noise seemed to be coming from. Quite by accident I traced it to the boot around the 5speed shifter. Dealer replaced and all's quiet on the Western front again.
George
Thanks for the follow up. It helps boost the confidence when asking for something like that.
-np
I would think repeated fogging and/or a long time to clear up is cause enough for replacement. It can't be - "don't replace them ever".
Dealers play a significant role in brand loyalty and quality perception yet they seem to think that throwing up their hands and blaming the faceless corporation is acceptable. All that gets them is a disgruntled customer who not only would not buy that brand again, but would never buy from that dealer - regardless of the brands sold. Pretty shortsighted.
John
LLSOC Charter Member
I bought the Lincoln mostly because I love the looks and second because I was in the market for a luxury car that was US made, as I am trying to keep my dollars in estados unidos. This very well may be my last ford product of any badge as none of them seem to age as gracefully as the imports that my friends buy.
The car runs great and can't complain about that but little noises that make you want to drive off a bridge just send me off the edge. Especially when the thing cost well in the $40's.
Don't get me wrong i am still in love with the LS and they do say it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. I just hope I dont end up LoveLeSs.
as a footnote I am in the it takes weeks not days for the headlamps to clear up and stated that to my service advisor.
-np
I keep forgetting to turn off the darn thing, and the Passport has an annoying habit that if it gets below a certain voltage it goes into a software failure mode and has to be re-booted (cripes, a microsoft radar detector). I really love the expert display and size, but am not sure I'd pick it over the Valentine next time. Trouble is having anyone I know locally who has a V1 to compare with.
Now on to downloading the instructions for speaker installation from llsoc.com and put my Polk dx7 speakers in!
Here's my main gripe, had to use the parking attendant today, and no way to lock the glovebox or trunk to keep the valet out. Have noticed this before, and it's always been kind of a pain. My car's been so good, just felt I had to put a gripe in to keep in practice. Not sure but I think this may have been dealt with in later models. Hey, if you're gonna have a Lincoln, they should assume you use valet parking. ;-)
Ray Chartrand
Charter member LLSOC