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The McClaren LS is good news to LS fans, but you can already get a supercharged and lowered LS from SVC for a lot less money.
I testdrove a G35. It's nice, but bland and has no soul. (I did like the perforated leather seats).
A supercharger is not needed to breath life into the LS. More displacement and better breathing are - Displacement and breathing that the Jag S-Type are getting. The Infiniti M45 will be awesome with titanium valves and 340 Hp (without supercharging). That's better than the BMW 540.
Still, to me, the LS has the edge in visual appeal. I am eagerly awaiting news for the 2003 LS, but unless SVT gets busy, the buyers looking for a reasonably priced M5 will be driving an M45.
http://www.autopart.com/tools/file/part387.htm
and it is called a REAR DISC BRAKE PISTON WIND-BACK TOOL KIT which will obviously work on different model brakes since it looks like it has several different adapters in it ($58.47 plus shipping).
A good pair of $10 channel-locks seemed to work just fine for me once I figured out what had to be done.
Bruno
LLSOC member
That is what Lincoln is missing out on. And then, once out of the brand, who knows whether they come back.
Cadillac is operating in vaporware right now with all their future announcements, but at least people can make an relatively informed choice on whether to wait.
I seem to remember seeing a pair that had a rubberized surface for griping finished surfaces. I think I will try to hunt those down and see what the cost difference is.
Re: ls1bmw0
I agree with jhoffman61. I have stuck with ford for a long time but feel that I am at the end of my ford buying days if something tasty doesn't hit the market before I run my 00 lsv6 for one more year. I truly believe that once I depart i may not come back for a long time. Considering the term lengths on loans and leases at least the 3 to 5 the jhoffman1 mentioned.
-np
Thanks for the heads-up Brian, and a bigger thanks to saveri for bringing this to everyone's attention.
Great board here. If it weren't for peoples problems there wouldnt be half the messages. Good Luck All
My problem with purchasing my next LS is deciding on the color. I really like my dark satin green, but every time it gets dusty I swear my next one will be white. What a dilemma!
Scott
LLSOC Member
FWIW. Why does everyone think that just because Lincoln doesn't advertise their future plans, that they have none? I am very optimistic that the future of the LS is very bright!
I just want a car that won't get its milk money taken on the way to school in the morning if you know what I mean. I truly hope to find an SVT LS on the lot when I make my next purchase.
-NP
Just a thought....
Getting close to needing new tires any recommendations?
And I am convinced that the dialog here and on the LLSOC Board are a substantial reason that many LS owners concerns and suggestions have "improved the breed" in only the 4th model year.
Since I am sworn to secrecy, please do not visit the Edmund's Home Page and read the 2003 Jag review. Any similarities between new 2003 Jag features and 2003 LS enhancements would, of course, be purely coincedental.
Jerry
24,000 trouble-free miles, 2001 V-8 Sport
or just post it here. TIA
Brian
.... but I've been thinking the same thing ever since Mania 3. They may have shown us the V-6 and V-8 models of the '03, but there was defintely something that Jonathan kept hinting at that they obviously didn't show or tell us about.
Maybe something on the lines of what we saw (and got to ride in around the test oval) at Mania 2 but with the '03 body and interior and that will be released shortly after the '03 introduction in the fall.
Hmmm........
Bruno
LLSOC member
Great board here. If it weren't for peoples problems there wouldnt be half the messages.>>>>
I have 12K miles now on my 2002 LS Sport V8 and no problems......... not one. See ya. Enjoy the BMW along with the higher purchase price for less car and the maint. bills. To each his own but I don't see much difference in LOOKS between a BMW and a Toyota unless you spring for all kinds of wheel and tire options plus a few body panels.
We are now a committed Lincoln family with the LS and the Navigator. Besides being the LLSOC kahuna, I have been very impressed with the customer care and dedication to the brand and to the cars that the Lincoln folks I have dealt with for the club have shown. I continue to be overwhelmed with their service-focused attitude and their positive responses to the problems and questions that we raise here and on LLSOC.
I have no doubt that we will have as many trouble-free miles with the Navigator (which by the way is unbelievably comfortable compared to the Burb) as I do with my LS.
Brian
Also, For those of you searching for the piston wind-back tool I found one at an auto zone that fits a 3/8" socket drive for 9 bucks. Thanks to all of you posters that educated me in advance about this tool as I surely would have gotten frustrated enough to screw this job up without you.
Bravo Zulu to all of you that contribute to educating us owners.
-NP
I also was in to have them fix the headlights once and for all, the fogging issue many of you have had as well, but since they weren't fogged and could not get them fogged they would not and did not fix them.
So I came home to wash it, because i refuse to let them run it through that awful automated gimmick they have, and as if a gulf fog rolled in the lights fogged up. Tomorrow will be the 4th time that I have to go in for this issue and I am sure it will finally be taken care of but why is it so hard to get something done with these folks. If good ol' Bill Ford expects me to continue to buy his LS he is going to have to doing something that motivates me to do so by way of encouraging the service dept to stop wasting my time & money. As well as the money of all the good folks that will buy the LS and other Lincolns.
I love my car but hate the service. At 50+ dollars a day per visit for car rental and numerous shop hours monkeying over the headlights someone is going to pay for this on the showroom. And I don't want it to be me 10 months from now.
They bad thing is I more than likely will. Sorry for the rant but you guys are great listeners plus my wife doesn't want to hear it. She is pro-BMW and anti-Ford.
-np
So, with all the free time you have on your hands, we should be expecting a report on Project Navigator GT soon, right? Or will that be Debbie's project?
In the past, the LS has been criticized for for its interior. I find this laughable now after seeing the G35 (& CTS).
Brian & Debbie, good luck with the new addition to your "family."
To everyone who's been touting the G35 before having seen it, you should now do so. Yes, it will spank the LS 0-60-for now anyway- but the luxury/sport sedan thing isn't all about just acceleration. This car just doesn't do it for me at first blush. Just my opinion. Obviously, I can't comment on it's driving dynamics.
Place the LS in a Sport Luxury Sedan category (emphasis luxury) - sport handling a win, BUT the ride is harsh, the transmission isn't as smooth, the seats are hard, the trunk is small, the interior isn't quite luxurious enough....
Okay, place the LS in the Luxury Sport Sedan category (emphasis sport) - sport handling wins or ties, interior on par with other vehicles, trunk space on par (ITH though may result in a smaller trunk space rating - no biggy), off-the-line performance - poor. The sport category emphasizes off-the-line performance and rightly so - that is the essence of a sport sedan/car.
So the LS falls into a category by itself, which isn't good as it doesn't get included in car comparisons or rates lower than it should because it is an in-between car.
Just my take....
The 275HP V8 should be good for a 0.4 to 0.5 seconds improvement on 0-60 times. Not only that, the 2nd/5th gear ratio change will insure that non-SST transmissions stay in 2nd through 60MPH which will eliminate the 2nd-to-3rd shift time in 0-60 runs. This will result in a big improvement in testing consistency by various mags.
Regards,
Victor
Just my (biased by 44k smilin' miles) opinion.:)
If your hubby is an active driver (as opposed to the way most people "drive"), there will be no contest and the LS will steal your heart!
Mike
LLSOC Charter Member who STILL can't get the grin off my face.
You can tell your husband that J.D. Power named Lincoln as the most reliable American line of cars after 5 years in service (the measure that really counts). Yes, there were some early build issues, but these have been addressed. In light of improved quality, Consumer Reports now has placed the LS on their "recommended" list-FWIW.
With Jac Nasser gone from the helm at Ford, quality has already increased in the first quarter of 2002 & will only continue that trend. You could also tell your husband that the LS has been named one of the 5 safest cars of all time.
If you consider driving as more than a way to get from point A to point B, take that test drive. You will be find out what we're talking about when we mention the "LS grin."
Good luck with whatever you decide,
Artie
Charter Member-LLSOC
The LS, with it's superior handling, will help you avoid the crash in the first place. To me, and my rather performance oriented, perverse viewpoint, that's far more important that all of the bells and whistles that kick in AFTER you've hit something.
I'm now getting the Nomex out of the closet, since I haven't needed it in a while.........
The 2002 LS models are certainly coming across as being better build quality than the previous years, though for most people those years weren't slouches in the build quality department.
I know it sucks, but don't stress over it. The dealer will fix it and hopefully that will be the last of your problems for a long time.
Brian
Seriously. Your Turn indicator is a small but very important component, however it is unlikely it is a foreboding of things to come. Actually I have to admit I hardly every see any issues from the 2002 folks on this board. I am a 2000 Owner and felt most of the growing pains. You should be very happy with your car. On an important side note, the Engine is fantastic. And the Transmission on the LS is Reliable. Electrical Issues (Minor). That being said, I doubt you will ever get left stranded by an LS.
Quite the Contrary the LS will wisk you through life and make you happy as a bee.
Point Being---Enjoy your LS, the only American Sports Sedan and very few others in its league.
Victor
I also mentioned the Window TSB to the Service manager and he said that they haven't had to do any of those repairs yet. I find that difficult to believe, seeing as they have probably sold a few LS's being the only Lincoln dealer for miles. (I took mine to a Ford dealer close to work for my window fixes.) At any rate, I believe my LR window is ready to crash, so I have the new TSB number in hand and have already mentioned the potential problem to him.
-np
My wife hates this car because she knows that women like it but she has nothing to fear as i am dog that never ventures off the front porch.
Does he want to look like a man on the way to work or a hunk on the way to a race?
Thats all the marketing you should need. I hope you get to drive the car though after that kind of propaganda he may not even let you wash it.
It is a fun car has great performance and seems to be able to elude those ticket dispensing maniacs some call law enforcement. Make sure you get the sunroof, I didn't and that is my only cpomplaint about my car.
regards,
noah
LS reliability vs Avalon: DrOlds is right, these are like apples and oranges. When I bought my LS, there was a couple at the dealer looking at an LS who were also considering an Avalon. They both liked the LS better but were concerned about reliability. Believe it or not, they ended up with an xplorer! To brass tacks: the Avalon will probably be more reliable than the LS. Toyotas have that reputation. But the LS reliability is very good also, it is a safer car and it will be much more fun to drive.
All this talk about poor performance of 220/252 Hp LS V6/V8s vs the competition, mainly a 260HP overpriced Nissan Maxima is getting tiring to me. My opinion is, wait a couple months til the 2003 LSs are announced and see how you feel then.
Finally, IMHO, this board is a great place to get info and opinions on the LS, to praise it's strengths and for some to vent about problems they're having with their car and/or your dealer. BBUT - do you have to complain about the same thing over and over again, even posting the same basic message more than one a day? Enough is enough.
I too considered the Avalon before buying a used 00 LS8 Sport. Absolutely no regrets. Toyotas are known for their reliability, but the LS seems pretty darn good too.
As much as I liked the idea of the Avalon (nice, dependable car), I couldn't get excited about owning one. I test drove this LS and never looked back.
Toyota has apparently had an engine problem, but in their defense, it seems to impact relatively few vehicles. Biggest problems here are that well deserved reputation for dependability and bullet-proof engines. People who buy Toyotas have HIGH expectations in this regard, and the company's response to the problem also seems to be poor.
In contrast, I don't ever remember hearing of an LS engine failure, and I suspect that due to the nature of the beast (both car and driver), LSs are driven harder.
You may also want to consider fuel economy if you do a lot of stop and go driving. My LS gives me 14 or 15 MPG around town, mid-20s on the highway, and uses premium fuel. Regardless, gas is pretty inexpensive, and the pleasure and pride I enjoy whenever I drive my LS is well worth any additional fuel costs. This car is far more than an appliance.