I went through the same decision process. The ES300 is a beautiful car with impecable credentials. The 2002 interior and dash (especially at night) really caught my eye.
Once I test drove an LS however, there was simply no question that was the way I wanted to go. You can compare features and options all day long, but an ES300 will never handle like a well balanced performance suspension RWD vehicle like the LS. There's also something about a V8 engine...
As fine a vehicle as I believe the ES300 is, I can't imagine it providing the excitement I feel when I drive my LS.
ES300? Why not save some money and just get a Camry SE and debadge it? The real competition is between the LS and the IS300- Two excellent cars with very different-but equally compelling-personalities.
If you consider yourself a person who enjoys driving, then the LS will make you very happy. If you consider driving to be a necessary evil to get from point A to point B, then stick with the Lexus.
Not that we wouldn't like some of the convenience features...
Since it's basically a rebadged and up-optioned Camry, that also means that as far as crashworthiness goes, it's pretty bad, according to the latest tests.
I stand by what I said it is a beautiful luxury car especially compared to a Camaro. How with regard to sportiness Camaro has the LS beat. Thank you for not criticizing me for expressing my opinion.
I too have owned an ES300. It was a nice car, and pretty reliable for the first 100K miles or so. It was quiet and smooth. The biggest advantage you will notice if you move into an LS is the first time you pass someone on a country road. While the ES has a good engine, it's passing ability is adequate at best. The LS, at least in V8 trim, is exceptional. I think you'll also appreciate a little more room in the LS, though interior storage could be improved. I think on a feature by feature comparison, it will be a wash. And you can get a used LSV8 at a much better price than a used ES300. Good luck on your shopping.
I don't want to "flame" your comment about the 1970 Z-28s, as they were great cars back then. The real problem with the 2nd generation Camaro/Firebirds, however was chassis flex, and the squeaks and rattles associated with it. I had a 1977 T/A Firebird. Bought it new, and kept it until last year. Fast car, cornered well, seats weren't too comfortable, however. My main dislike, though, was the lack of structural integrity. My 1996 Z-28 is a far "tighter", and more comfortable car. When I think of the LS and the Camaro, I compare them to a surgeons's scalpel and a Hudson Bay ax. They both cut well, but one does it with brute force, and the other with finesse. The LS is the scalpel, and the Camaro is the ax.
I guess I just really prefer the styling of the 2nd generation F Bodies- particularly the 1970-1973 Camaros. I'm big on small, light, and nimble these days, though I still miss my 1988 M6. With a euro(no catalyst) exhaust and a custom Conforti chip it made 315+ hp at the flywheel. Not bad for a normally aspirated 3.5 liter..:) Back on topic, I'd like to see a totally dechromed 6 speed LS V8. It would make a great work day commuter. My uncle has A plan leased two LS V6s and he's offered them to me for the residual value. Sadly, he only orders the Maximum Boredom editions-- Non Sport slushboxes with NO options. Yuk!!!
As I understand Red Carpet Leases and residuals, you're really not missing anything. Residuals are always based on MSRP, including the residual on an A Plan Red Carpet Lease. As residuals tend to exceed open market prices, you can likely do better than your uncle's deal, and get something closer to what you want.
Well, I know the last one he offered me was about $2K less than about any price guide or dealer ad I had seen at the time; he also only had about 10K miles on it. It's all academic anyway, my wife found the car she really wanted soon after so I won't be in the market for a few years.
Before I 'discovered' the Lincoln LS, a strong case of midlife crisis was making me lean towards the purchase of an SS Camaro with all of the SLP options. Those cars are crude but fun! ;-) However, I found that I could have a car that I could drive my friends around in. I found that I could fit my 3 kids in the back seat. I found a car that had some very sophisticated handling characteristics. Then I found a group of LS 'discoverers'in a club called the LLSOC. This group of rebel car enthusiasts has been a great source of information and camaraderie. The experience with the car, despite a few small problems, has been most enjoyable. The future looks quite bright for the LS. The only thing that could dampen the experience would be bonehead FoMoCo corporate decisions.
Greetings all..kind of have a somewhat urgent situation. Wanting to head out of town tonight for a trip with kids, and the pass side rear seat belt wont pull out at all. Ive tried tugging gently, forcefully..everything. Its not twisted or kinked, its the retractor itself that seems to keep it "locked" in. Anyone else ever had this issue? Anything I can do to fix it myself?
Spent the week on Cape Cod. For those not familiar with "the Cape", it is mostly a retirement area, that gets flooded with summer vacationers in July & August.
On the entire trip (~500 miles of total driving), I only saw 2 LS's, the first had a retiree couple in it that looked about 70. The other I couldn't tell. However, when I started counting Town Cars, I quickly ran out of fingers and toes. I've never seen so many Town Cars (and Continentals too) in so small an area, since the last time I was on the Cape. The Orleans Stop & Shop parking lot had more Town Cars in it than the Wixom overflow lot during a shipment halt. After the Town Car & Continental, I'd say the Grand Marquis was the 3rd most popular car which was followed distantly by the Coupe DeVille. Mercedes, BMW's & Audis were rarities.
No wonder LM is having such conniptions attempting to break with "Lincoln Classic."
Great Report, Slunar! Underlines the fact that the backbone of LM lies with the older models and the older clientele. And it's an easy market. The buyers don't press LM for great technological changes every year. Most of those buyers don't want the latest do- dads anyway. A real comfortable market for both LM and the "classic" buyers. I think if LM wanted to fill a marketing void, they would bring back the Continental on the DEW98 platform. You know the formula: longer, a little wider, plushier interior, real soft suspension settings. I think the gap between the LS and the TC is pretty large for some of the "conventional" buyers of LM cars. That would free up the LS for a more "younger" orientation. It looks like the older line LM cars are favorites of the New England "bluebloods".
It may be off-subject, but tomorrow night on the Speed Vision channel, the new edition of Motor Trend TV is going to show the 330i getting pounded by you know what. It's at 7:00pm and Midnight PST. Check out your local listings for time and channel. Also my new Motor Trend had a face-off between the CTS, G35 and 330i. Very Interesting, and more conclusive than the C&D test. I can't wait until the 03 LS V-8 gets into these comparos. I just hope they start testing it against a 5 series instead of that little Bimmer.
Stanny, where I was - Orleans, Easham, Wellfleet, where the National Seashore is, the bluebloods are far and few between. Although there are some fancy homes here and there, that area is very middle, middle class.
The bluebloods are down on the South shore, Chatam & Hyannis. I didn't get down that way this time, but when I have been in that area there are a lot more Mercedes, BMW's, etc. and fewer Lincolns.
As a detailer I am VERY familiar with what many individuals consider "Luxury" and the only BMW that is considered luxurious is the 7 series except by a few individuals who, in my experience, tend to be very fanatical BMW fans (no personal insult intended). Most people do not consider a vehicle that provides as bone jarring ride as Bimmers do to be a Luxury car, rather it is a SPORTS car. BMW is also renowned for their spartan interiors. I am therefore curious by what standards could one consider a Bimmer luxurious? Perhaps compared to a Pontiac Sunfire it is indeed a luxury car, BUT . . .
IMHO the LS is FAR MORE luxurious, especially the interior which is where I suspect most car owners spend the majority of their time!
I test-drove quite a few BMW products prior to finding the LS, and all were less-endowed in the luxury department by varying degrees.
I remember sliding behind the wheel of an M3 and reaching for the steering wheel angle adjust knob to find that not only did the wheel not adjust telescopically, but it didn't even adjust vertically -- a feature found on many economy cars these days.
That such a marked lack of amenities could be considered "luxurious" defies comprehension. The LS is truly a balanced blend of both sport and luxury.
The LS and it's BMW counterparts (5 and in some cases 3 series) are sports sedans, which pocess a combination of luxury AND sport. The lenght of the amenities list alone does not a luxury car make. Trying to lump all BMW models into a catagory would be like lumping all Linoln models into a segment.
keyrow: The M3 is not considered "luxurious" by anyone and the model you slid behind without any steering wheel adjustments was evidently an early 90's model (pre-E36).
lsv8: Which BMW models have a "bone jarring" ride? Even the sports suspension option on the 5 series is far from the ride normally associated with classic sports cars. Also, up until this year, the 5 and 7 series interior features and look were virtually identical (aside from size).
Not sure what is meant by this referrence. As I didn't refer to ride quality, I'm wondering if it's possible that you may be attributing someone else's post to me.
Re: Amenities List, I concede that since I evaluated those cars during my test drives BMW has in the interim added various amenities to their product line -- but at that point in time they were deficient compared to the LS.
Wrong reference on my post....was meant for keyrow's comment.
Agree however that many would consider BMW a sports car, but it like the LS, is not in the "bone jarring" league of most true sports cars. But that is exactly the idea - a sports car with luxury amenities that make it more livable for daily driving.
Interesting comments in today's Automotive News by Nick Scheele, Ford COO: "We can stretch and expand the LS platform, which is superb, to clear a hole for a Continental replacement. ...we want to expand the LS into a multirange platform."
Sounds like a plan to me. Maybe a stretch LS, a limited edition 6-speed, a convertible LS, a LS cross-trainer... This is a terrific idea and I hope Ford will continue to fund an expansion of the LS model. The LS has a great price point for the moving-on-uppers and an expanded model line would cement the commitment of Ford for the LS. ...and maybe some extra goodies for the regular LS.
This seems to be a great place for a troll to get a full meal. :-)
Folks, remember a couple weeks ago we decided to ignore comments that are clearly designed to incite. Keep in mind that responses just encourage him ... and BTW ... you might want to add two and two together to see if you may have known this person in another lifetime?
Whatever, please let it go here -- write me off line if you want to.
This past weekend I drove my 2002 manual from Fort Lauderdale to Sarasota and back. I must say, the LS is a superb road car. Cruising at 75 +/- (no tickets for this kid) is effortless and the Michelin tires provide a smooth and quite ride. Too bad Florida is so flat and devoid of twists and turns! This is my second LS manual and so far, I am pleased to say, no problems. The car will get its 5000 mile service next week. And again, I'm pleased to report my Pioneer XM Satellite radio performed well. I can not imagine anyone not wanting one.
Brian: You are right about the poor Camry crash test. Just saw somewhere that it scored very poorly (2 out of 5) in the National Highway & Safety Admin. tests. Previously it did score well in the Insurance institute tests. Toyota is scratching their heads trying to figure out what is up.
Also in the latest C&D (Aug 02) they test the new ES-300 and conclude that it is a nice luxury car for non car people who just want to get from point A to B in comfort, but it lacks any personality or sportyness that whould make it attractive to a car person.
Jerry posted <<comments in today's Automotive News by Nick Scheele, Ford COO: "We can stretch and expand the LS platform, which is superb, to clear a hole for a Continental replacement. ...we want to expand the LS into a multirange platform.">>
Well Ford better get its rear end in gear real fast. DEW98 is now over 3 years old. If they started today to design a stretched DEW98 it would take 2-3 years to get the car into production, making it 6 years old. By then it's time to start over from the ground up with a new platform. As good as the LS & DEW is today it won't be that many more years before it's completely out of date and no longer competitive.
For a minimal amount of money Ford (Lincoln) could have and should have simply made a long wheel base LS, more front & rear seat room & more trunk room, a 2 door coupe version of the LS and a wagon version of the LS. All could have been done quickly with a minmal amount of money and provided Lincoln with some badly needed incremental sales.
I am puzzled and disappointed by the feeble and extremely poor execution of any sort of focused market strategy by Lincoln. With the 2000 LS, they could hardly have had a better start with a wonderful true luxury sport sedan that won the MT Car of the Year award.
Since then, I hardly EVER even see ANY advertising that focuses on the LS, and most of the LS ads I've seen are embarrassingly inappropriate for the type of vehicle the LS is. It reveals a marketing department that is clueless about what they are selling and who they are selling it to.
Not only is Lincoln NOT properly advertising the LS, but as mentioned above, they have apparently done NOTHING to expand that product into some other niches that could have gained a lot of leverage from the initial success and good design of the LS. It is really sickening to see such a wasted opportunity.
I just got back from the Cape myself... Chatam to be exact on Stage Harbor. The house was right on the harbor with a dock and my girlfriends friend had his boat. Went Fishing and thens Sailing on another friends boat.
Had a blast! I didn't see Lincolns, and the BMW's weren't to many, Lots of Mercedes and Porsches though...In Chatham at least. Was there for a week. The Hydrangeas are a little late blooming this year but there were some...
Have a happy and safe 4th. See you all back here soon..
Airwolf: When I was in Chatham a couple of years ago there were few Lincolns but lots of Mercedes and some BMW's + exotics like Porsches & Ferraris etc. Where I was on the Cape this year is very much working class, which is part of Lincoln's problems that is the upper crust certainly doesn't aspire to own a Lincoln.
Here are the present incentives for the LS V-8. Note that I pulled this for my zip code, so there could be slightly different offeres in other places. ALso note that the LS V-6 appears to have the same incenteives. The LSE models also appear to be the same with the exeption that there is $3,500 cash back on leases.
Sounds like you get a total of $4,000 back ($4,500 for LSE) if you lease and turn in an existing Red Carpet lease.
Cash
Purchase $3,000.00 Customer Cash Back
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-or-
Finance 0% APR for 36 months
$27.78 per month, per $1,000 financed with 10% down.
NOT ALL BUYERS WILL QUALIFY FOR LOWEST APR. SEE DEALER FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings.
Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-or-
Red Carpet Lease $3,000.00 Customer Cash Back
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-and-
Lease
Renewal $1,000.00 Cash Back on Renewal
Customers terminating any new or used Lincoln Mercury Lease who Red Carpet Lease a new Lincoln Mercury vehicle are eligible for a lease renewal incentive. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
Did a TMV on a 2002 LSE V8. (just for kicks..I aint gettin rid of my 2000 LS V6 Sport Auto just yet) Its going for about 2k UNDER invoice. (Not including the new #3k rebate). But as soon as you option it out, TMV jumps to a few hunnerd OVER invoice. Whats THAT about?
Suspect the $2K under invoice reflects the $3K dealer cash that's been out there.
Anyone know whether there's dealer cash now that the rebate's in effect. If not, there were actually better incentives in place last month ($3,000 Dealer Cash plus 1.9% financing).
I also was looking at Edmunds TMV and had the exact same question as Ronnipooh. I assume that TMV would include the cash back, but I can't belive that LS's are going for $1,000 over invoice either. According to Edmunds there is not any dealer cash back right now but who knows what the real story is.
Ok now this is really confusing? Carsdirect says that the LS has a dealer incentive until Sept. 30 but no rebate. Anybody know what the true scoop is. Are there both rebates and dealer incentives? There seem to be several contradicting sites.
In slunar's post above he quoted the lease rate as, "$27.78 per month, per $1,000 financed with 10% down." Now if I were to lease a new LS and financed $30,000 the payment would be $27.78 X 30 = $833.40. That's what I would expect to pay for a Jag XK, Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series (if it wasn't so ugly) but who would agree to such a payment for a "lowly" LS? My 48 month purchase payment is just over $600. I do not understand how this can be construed as advantageous. Am I missing something here?
The payment above is a 36 month, 0% interest purchase, not a lease. The post from mbnut1 above, however, seems to indicate that 60 month 0% is availiable.
Of course rebates impact resale, but how many LS owners didn't take advantage of some rebate program when they purchased? Geez...From 9/11 until New Years, they had $3K rebate or 0%/60, plus they made the first payment. Right around the holidays, they offered an extra $500 or something.
Before 9/11, they still had $3K or 0%/36, plus they made the first payment. That's another thousand on a 36 month loan.
There has generally been a promotion on these cars since the first model year.
What would really prove interesting would be car rags that compared vehicles based on typical selling prices rather than sticker price. Typical selling prices simply strengthen my perception that the LS may offer the greatest value out there.
Not quite true, Tom, at least not where I live. In the spring of 2000 the LS was in demand and selling for sticker price around here. Dealers were running ads that said "We just received 4 LSs! 2 color choices!" That sort of thing. I got my '00 V8 Sport in Oct. for $3k under sticker because the '01s had arrived. The 6% Ford Credit loan looked pretty good at the time. I like the car way too much to complain about what might have been, but it did hurt a little when Lincoln sent me an e-mail just a couple months later, inviting me to my Lincoln dealer where I could buy a car for 1% interest.:)
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Once I test drove an LS however, there was simply no question that was the way I wanted to go. You can compare features and options all day long, but an ES300 will never handle like a well balanced performance suspension RWD vehicle like the LS. There's also something about a V8 engine...
As fine a vehicle as I believe the ES300 is, I can't imagine it providing the excitement I feel when I drive my LS.
Not that we wouldn't like some of the convenience features...
I had a 1977 T/A Firebird. Bought it new, and kept it until last year. Fast car, cornered well, seats weren't too comfortable, however. My main dislike, though, was the lack of structural integrity. My 1996 Z-28 is a far "tighter", and more comfortable car.
When I think of the LS and the Camaro, I compare them to a surgeons's scalpel and a Hudson Bay ax. They both cut well, but one does it with brute force, and the other with finesse. The LS is the scalpel, and the Camaro is the ax.
The future looks quite bright for the LS. The only thing that could dampen the experience would be bonehead FoMoCo corporate decisions.
Funkcity,out.
LLSOC member
But of course and march to that different "American" drummer. :-)
Thanks
On the entire trip (~500 miles of total driving), I only saw 2 LS's, the first had a retiree couple in it that looked about 70. The other I couldn't tell. However, when I started counting Town Cars, I quickly ran out of fingers and toes. I've never seen so many Town Cars (and Continentals too) in so small an area, since the last time I was on the Cape. The Orleans Stop & Shop parking lot had more Town Cars in it than the Wixom overflow lot during a shipment halt. After the Town Car & Continental, I'd say the Grand Marquis was the 3rd most popular car which was followed distantly by the Coupe DeVille. Mercedes, BMW's & Audis were rarities.
No wonder LM is having such conniptions attempting to break with "Lincoln Classic."
And it's an easy market. The buyers don't press LM for great technological changes every year. Most of those buyers don't want the latest do- dads anyway. A real comfortable market for both LM and the "classic" buyers.
I think if LM wanted to fill a marketing void, they would bring back the Continental on the DEW98 platform. You know the formula: longer, a little wider, plushier interior, real soft suspension settings. I think the gap between the LS and the TC is pretty large for some of the "conventional" buyers of LM cars.
That would free up the LS for a more "younger" orientation.
It looks like the older line LM cars are favorites of the New England "bluebloods".
Also my new Motor Trend had a face-off between the CTS, G35 and 330i. Very Interesting, and more conclusive than the C&D test.
I can't wait until the 03 LS V-8 gets into these comparos. I just hope they start testing it against a 5 series instead of that little Bimmer.
The bluebloods are down on the South shore, Chatam & Hyannis. I didn't get down that way this time, but when I have been in that area there are a lot more Mercedes, BMW's, etc. and fewer Lincolns.
IMHO the LS is FAR MORE luxurious, especially the interior which is where I suspect most car owners spend the majority of their time!
I remember sliding behind the wheel of an M3 and reaching for the steering wheel angle adjust knob to find that not only did the wheel not adjust telescopically, but it didn't even adjust vertically -- a feature found on many economy cars these days.
That such a marked lack of amenities could be considered "luxurious" defies comprehension. The LS is truly a balanced blend of both sport and luxury.
The LS and it's BMW counterparts (5 and in some cases 3 series) are sports sedans, which pocess a combination of luxury AND sport. The lenght of the amenities list alone does not a luxury car make. Trying to lump all BMW models into a catagory would be like lumping all Linoln models into a segment.
keyrow: The M3 is not considered "luxurious" by anyone and the model you slid behind without any steering wheel adjustments was evidently an early 90's model (pre-E36).
lsv8: Which BMW models have a "bone jarring" ride? Even the sports suspension option on the 5 series is far from the ride normally associated with classic sports cars. Also, up until this year, the 5 and 7 series interior features and look were virtually identical (aside from size).
Re: Amenities List, I concede that since I evaluated those cars during my test drives BMW has in the interim added various amenities to their product line -- but at that point in time they were deficient compared to the LS.
Hope this adds a little clarity.
Agree however that many would consider BMW a sports car, but it like the LS, is not in the "bone jarring" league of most true sports cars. But that is exactly the idea - a sports car with luxury amenities that make it more livable for daily driving.
Sounds like a plan to me. Maybe a stretch LS, a limited edition 6-speed, a convertible LS, a LS cross-trainer... This is a terrific idea and I hope Ford will continue to fund an expansion of the LS model. The LS has a great price point for the moving-on-uppers and an expanded model line would cement the commitment of Ford for the LS. ...and maybe some extra goodies for the regular LS.
Folks, remember a couple weeks ago we decided to ignore comments that are clearly designed to incite. Keep in mind that responses just encourage him ... and BTW ... you might want to add two and two together to see if you may have known this person in another lifetime?
Whatever, please let it go here -- write me off line if you want to.
Pat
Sedans Host
Also in the latest C&D (Aug 02) they test the new ES-300 and conclude that it is a nice luxury car for non car people who just want to get from point A to B in comfort, but it lacks any personality or sportyness that whould make it attractive to a car person.
Well Ford better get its rear end in gear real fast. DEW98 is now over 3 years old. If they started today to design a stretched DEW98 it would take 2-3 years to get the car into production, making it 6 years old. By then it's time to start over from the ground up with a new platform. As good as the LS & DEW is today it won't be that many more years before it's completely out of date and no longer competitive.
For a minimal amount of money Ford (Lincoln) could have and should have simply made a long wheel base LS, more front & rear seat room & more trunk room, a 2 door coupe version of the LS and a wagon version of the LS. All could have been done quickly with a minmal amount of money and provided Lincoln with some badly needed incremental sales.
Since then, I hardly EVER even see ANY advertising that focuses on the LS, and most of the LS ads I've seen are embarrassingly inappropriate for the type of vehicle the LS is. It reveals a marketing department that is clueless about what they are selling and who they are selling it to.
Not only is Lincoln NOT properly advertising the LS, but as mentioned above, they have apparently done NOTHING to expand that product into some other niches that could have gained a lot of leverage from the initial success and good design of the LS. It is really sickening to see such a wasted opportunity.
Amen.
This vehicle had huge promise when it was introduced. What it is now has yet to be determined.
I attended Mania I & had the pleasure of discussing our car with Rene (& others), and was so, so pumped up at the end of the weekend.
Unfortunately, not much has changed in the 16 months since then. We all want a better car. It's even more painful, given how good the original was.
Our direction is toward perfection?
Or not.
I just got back from the Cape myself... Chatam to be exact on Stage Harbor. The house was right on the harbor with a dock and my girlfriends friend had his boat. Went Fishing and thens Sailing on another friends boat.
Had a blast! I didn't see Lincolns, and the BMW's weren't to many, Lots of Mercedes and Porsches though...In Chatham at least. Was there for a week. The Hydrangeas are a little late blooming this year but there were some...
Have a happy and safe 4th. See you all back here soon..
Off again,
Airwolf1000
Also, heard they were offering $3000 dealer cash but haven't seen anything official on this.
Can anyone confirm that the dealer cash also exists?
Wow! What a bargain!
Here are the present incentives for the LS V-8. Note that I pulled this for my zip code, so there could be slightly different offeres in other places. ALso note that the LS V-6 appears to have the same incenteives. The LSE models also appear to be the same with the exeption that there is $3,500 cash back on leases.
Sounds like you get a total of $4,000 back ($4,500 for LSE) if you lease and turn in an existing Red Carpet lease.
Cash
Purchase $3,000.00 Customer Cash Back
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-or-
Finance 0% APR for 36 months
$27.78 per month, per $1,000 financed with 10% down.
NOT ALL BUYERS WILL QUALIFY FOR LOWEST APR. SEE DEALER FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings.
Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-or-
Red Carpet Lease $3,000.00 Customer Cash Back
Residency restrictions apply. Dealer participation may affect savings. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
-and-
Lease
Renewal $1,000.00 Cash Back on Renewal
Customers terminating any new or used Lincoln Mercury Lease who Red Carpet Lease a new Lincoln Mercury vehicle are eligible for a lease renewal incentive. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 09/30/2002.
Anyone know whether there's dealer cash now that the rebate's in effect. If not, there were actually better incentives in place last month ($3,000 Dealer Cash plus 1.9% financing).
2002 LS APR
APR program on 2002 Lincoln LS
Start Date: 07/02/2002 End Date: 09/30/2002
Year Style Term
(Months) APR% Cash Allowances Find a Local Dealer
Customer Dealer
2002 Sport 4dr Sedan (3.9L 8cyl 5A) 12 - 60 0% $3000 NA Local Dealer
There seem to be several contradicting sites.
Before 9/11, they still had $3K or 0%/36, plus they made the first payment. That's another thousand on a 36 month loan.
There has generally been a promotion on these cars since the first model year.
What would really prove interesting would be car rags that compared vehicles based on typical selling prices rather than sticker price. Typical selling prices simply strengthen my perception that the LS may offer the greatest value out there.