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Mazda Protegé

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  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    I leave it on most of the time, I only turn it off when I need to do a downshift immediately, usually when merging onto highways from onramps.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Look for a pssssst kit at local dealer as well.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    are you kidding maltb? Mazda's gonna come out with a factory turbo kit for proteges??? When will that be???
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I usually turn it off when in stop-and-go traffic under 35mph, or if I'm staying under 20mph (as in a school zone). Other than that, I keep it in OD.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Would it be too optimistic to hope there's a turbo kit for the 1.6L? :)
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    It's most likely that it will be for current production models only. Of course if a turbo for the 2.0 sold well maybe they would consider the 1.8. I would hate the say though that the 1.6 is probably out of luck. (grin)
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I highly doubt that his rpms are at 3000 at 80 mph in the Civic. That is wrong. That seem WAY off. What model Civic is it? The only Civic that I can think of that would be close to that is the Civic HF.
  • I agree that a turbo mp5 (familia sport 20) would be a welcome addition (and likely significant success story for mazda). There is plenty of room between say the WRX/Passat pricing and the current mp5 (or sedan) for mazda to make some $$$ and the buyers to get a significantly quick sedan that stands out for not too much $$.


    The protege turbo was mentioned here -

       http://www.veh-tech.net/pages/DailyNews/LatestStories.html


    Look under "Thursday Nov. 29".

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    They must come with a new computer too. Doesn't the Protege have a returnless fuel rail? If so, you would need to reprogram the computer, or use a piggy back ECU.
  • Since I am sure Mazda will not give these away, I'll probably just hang on to what I have, let my son drive it in a couple of years when he gets his license and it is paid for, and buy a Mazda 6 with the V6! I just hope they bring the hatchback version over.
  • elec3elec3 Posts: 160
    If Mazda had a factory turbo kit available for the 2.0, I'd be all over it assuming 1) performance increase was sizeable with little to no hit on reliability, 2) they didn't want 5 grand for the kit plus installation, 3) it comes out soon enough that I haven't traded up to a WRX but distant enough that I can afford it. Regardless, it would be nice to have the option.

    Overdrive is my friend, having an automatic Pro5. Really what it's meant to do is keep your revs low and gas mileage high. If you are careful, the overdrive OFF button is like a mini turbo booster. If you're cruising around town and need a lot of power suddenly, you mash the gas pedal, the car shifts down 2 or 3 gears, you run the revs up to redline, and go nowhere. Turning overdrive off is like a manual downshift, putting you closer to more power with less chance of doing the above. I drive around with overdrive on but I'm quick to that off button. I mostly use it when I need to speed up to get through a yellow light or if I'm driving 25 for a school or hospital zone and find that my revs have dropped to 800. That makes it tough to get back up to 40 without getting run over. I also turn overdrive off on the highway sometimes for more passing power. I've discovered that the Pro5 develops a fair bit of power and can actually seem impressive if you are cruising at around 40mph, pop the overdrive off, and hit the gas. For whatever reason around this speed, your revs with overdrive off put you right in the power band and you can take off like a rocket (if that's what makes you happy, of course) :)
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    Major problems:
    My wife keeps taking it. Her 2k Outback Limited is nice but about as exciting as a Camry (unless its snowing).

    Minor problems: Had a dash rattle at 3k miles but it has since gone away without me doing anything.

    MPG: 24city/29highway. It will get 33mpg if you drive 60mph. At 70-75 it gets 27-30mpg. Overall I'm at 28mpg. Yup, I'm lucky because its a mostly highway mid-western commute.

    Other: I run 35psi all around. I switched over to Mobil-1 full synthetic 5w30 engine oil at 2k miles. It was changed at 7500 miles with Castrol Syntec and I'm doing 7500mile changes until the warranty runs out and then 15k changes after that. Unless I go back to dino oil and then it will be 7500miles. The transmission will be flushed with the next oil change at 15k and every 30k after that.

    Overall: Its a very nice car so far and pretty cheap to operate. In my opnion I dont think one can comment on reliability until it gets beyond 50k and 3-4 years. Still, no problems so far.

    My take on the turbo:
    1) My limit is $3000 installed.
    2) Must not void warranty.
    3) Must come with a warranty for the turbo and installation.
    4) Must increase hp/ft-lb by around 30 but not more than 50. I dont like torque steer.
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    Your 4 items above are in line with what I'd be willing to go with an oem turbo. Guess I'll wait til then. Anxiously...
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I'd definately want more than 30 hp from a turbo kit. 30 hp is not worth the hassle of a turbo kit. I'd want *at least* 50 hp.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    can't even agree on the power. the bird told me the '02 mps was good for 180. Not sure what that does for the kit.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    to hear the complaints about turbos and how espensive to repair. Isn't that one of the main Jetta owners' complaints, along with electrical problems?

    Was I ever glad to have quick steering Sunday! Some dumbass in a Chrysler Town and Country crossed the double-yellow lines and ran me off the road into a yard and back. Sheesh! Thought for a minute I was joining Larry's club.

    I checked that heater/AC question this afternoon. It has been raining all day and the windshield started to fog up. Yep, the AC comes on when you move the selector to feet/defrost. But it's nice not having to turn it on separately, even though there are times you may need the extra power and come up short. Turning the A/C on manually in other cars it gets too cold quickly. The Pro way blends it with the heat nicely and I also noticed the fan speeds up.

    fowler3
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    IMHO, most small Japanese sedan's are built for those who want to drive lots and lots of trouble free miles without worrying about feeling the road, while the Mazda Protege is designed for drivers who want to feel the road, with tighter steering and suspensions, while driving those same reliable miles! Jim, I'm glad to here you drove thru that little fiasco. BTW, I ain't in no crash club!

    -Larry
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    I used to work with a guy whose wife had some turbo Mopar product that required two turbos to be r&r'd, fortunately under warranty. He stated how much it would have been out of pocket and I was shocked. Wish I could remember how much he said. Anyway that would be one reservation I'd have at the end of warranty. But you gotta admit a turbo Pro would be a hoot, no?
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    You may recall that I got 36mpg on the trip to Virginia, on November 28. I refilled the tank on the return leg that same day with 9 gallons at 4971 miles on the ODO. It's now at 5239 ODO, 268 miles around town and the fuel guage is just below half a tank. I'll give you the exact town figure when I top it off this week. If you haven't figured it up yet, it was 12 days ago I made the trip. That's GOOD fuel economy in anybody's book.

    I'll take a Protegé over a Civic any day! Of all the compact cars I have owned -- 12 -- the Protegé is the BEST of them.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Yep, it would be a HOOT alright. But if you keep it beyond the warrenty you will be the one hooting, I'm afraid.

    Always try to trade with a little warrenty left to sweeten the deal for the next owner. ;)

    fowler3
  • elec3elec3 Posts: 160
    Just about right. I would aim for $3000-3500 installed for a reasonable factory turbo kit. Any more than that and you're better off looking for a new car that comes from the factory with a turbo. Warranty on the turbo and install would also be nice. I'd like the turbo to add about 50 to max HP and torque figures. I would be a bit concerned about torque steer though as I've even experienced slight torque steer in my stock Pro5 when making a sharp turn under heavy throttle (the car starts to feel like it wants to do donuts - not good unless you're TRYING to do donuts). Maybe wider tires would help.

    Call me a spoiled youth who doesn't get it, but I don't plan on ever keeping a car more than 5-6 years. My career of choice should keep me in reasonably good financial shape and I doubt I'll ever NEED to be without a car payment. It might be nice but not necessary. I just can't ever see myself with a car I love enough to keep 10 or 12 years. There's always something newer and better coming out in one way or another. I suppose I could see keeping a reliable car to run into the ground, but turbo reliability doesn't concern me horribly. If it runs fine 5 years and I get my money's worth, great. I guess I get this mentality from computers. They're practically disposable - if you abuse yours and it only lives 2 years instead of the expected 10, that's still ok because in 2 years it's obsolete anyway. That said, I take very good care of the things I own because I'm proud to have them. It's just that if they don't last as long as they could under perfect conditions, I don't sweat it either.
  • newcar: The RPM gauge reads right at 3000 RPM at 80 in 5th gear. It's a 1993 Civic EX coupe. On my recent trip to Florida the Protege was right at 4000 RPM at 80 in 5th gear. It's ironic that a 2.0L engine runs at a higher RPM than a 1.6L.. usually it's the other way around. Not only are the revs lower at 60, the Civic redlines at a higher RPM. Consequently a Civic gets much better gas mileage than a Protege. His 93 is rated at 29/35 with a 5-speed while a 2001 Civic is rated at 32/37.

    I'm not trying to dog the Protege. I just think that the Civic is ahead of the Protege in some areas like build quality and engine refinement/technology. But then again, you can't get 4-wheel disc brakes and factory fog lights on a Civic. And as far as handling and driving the Protege is great.
  • Twice in as many months, I have been robbed of my valve stem covers! As stupid as this sounds, the MP3 comes with Racing Hart 17 inchers. They (had) lovely chrome valve stem covers and chrome surround that fits over the stem itself.

    Both times I have come out (once parked in front of my house, the other time in the office parking lot) and found the covers missing. Oddly, the chrome stem surrounds WERE'NT taken.

    I went to the local speed shop and purchased a new (not quite as nice) set. Now, Saturday while parked at work, they were taken again.

    While I would love to wait for the vandal to try it again so I could show him the reason _I_ carry The Club in my car...reality hits and reminds me that I can't be everywhere all the time. So, has anyone seen a valve stem cover with a razor sharp edge? Maybe a high voltage zapper?
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    That still seems way off. My integra was around 4000 rpm at 80 mph and that was a 1.8L. How in the heck would a Civic with a smaller engine and less torque be 1000 rpms lower. What are the rpms at when you're going 60? 1900? 2100? I still say B.S.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Bob, I feel your pain my friend. I had a complete set of wheel covers stolen from my brand new 92 Ford Escort Hatchback (a Mazda chassis & powertrain with Ford sheet metal and switch gear). Understand, this sweet little hatch was prolly a week old. I walk out to my car to go to work, NO wheel covers! I was really shocked. I was sooo stupid. I called the cops and they came out filled out a report and basically told me tough luck pal ! O.K., I purchase a new set of wheel covers from the dealership, $115.00! A flippen week later, the wheel covers are gone again? Bob, trust me I'm not shocked this time, now I'm very verrry hissed off. I spend the $115.00, again. I thank God, no further theft issues in the 7 years I owned the car. However, I have never purchased a new car with wheel covers again. A 94 Toyota Corolla and a pair of 00 Mazda Protege all have had alloy wheels. Bob, I feel your PAIN. :-{

    -Larry
  • I don't think it is the engine so much as the gearing. Mazda gears theirs a little lower across the board to give drivers at least the feeling of zoom-zoom. Acura might have done the same, thinking the average Integra driver was probably more agressive than the average Civic driver. Mazda could change the gear ratios and I am sure the gas mileage would improve a good deal, but the car would not feel as zippy. It is a balancing act, and I prefer the setup in the Pro better, but there are others who probably don't.

    On wheel covers, I have only had that happen once, on a 92 Camry, it it just makes you sick. Not much you can do about it except replace them or get alloy wheels. I hated spending the money to replace them since they were so drab anyways. I would especially hate replacing them had they been stolen from my house since there might be a higher probability of getting hit again!
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my question about overdrive yesterday (Monday). I'm sure I'll have fun experimenting.

    Now if Mazda could install some sort of device on the front end that would shoot out rotten eggs at people who cut me off in traffic....
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    ;-)

    Meade
    2000 ES 5-speed
  • I am aware that most of the discussions here gravitate around newer models however I was wondering if anyone could give me any information about older Proteges...I found a few great deals on some 1998 LXs..I am a college student on a very limited (very!) budget who currently drives a Toyota Tercel (93) that I am eager to replace (maintenance trouble...rare for a Toyota but when it does happen watch out!) I am concerned about poor acceleration in the base Protege engine from those years but as expected, the LX is far cheaper than its more powerful ES counterpart...would I seriously be doing myself a disservice in springing for the LX in place of maybe hunting around a bit harder for an ES? Does anyone here own a protege with the base engine from the pre-99 models and if so what can you tell me about it? Keep in mind I would probably be getting an automatic...it's either this or a '96 Civic -- I'd really rather not go with the Civic and the Toyota Corolla is the ultimate in boring...so the Protege seems like a great alternative. Any info would be appreciated.
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