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"I could have told you that much. My 2001 ES was worth...yada yada yada, blah blah BLAH!!!"
#5742 of 5758 Well... by vocus Jun 17, 2002 (08:58 am)
"I went to the dealer for the meeting this morning with the rep. He drove the car,... said the only thing they can do right now is try to correct the problem AGAIN (time number 8)...if they didn't get it right before, what makes him think they would get it right now?... I am really pissed now. They get to have one more time to mess up my POS Jetta...I would definitely say to anyone looking at the Jetta to be prepared to not have it for weeks on end... The worst car I ever had. I hope someone steals it while it's at the dealership."
Paul, I could have told you that much...
-love train
thanks
Also, my friend that bought a subaru after I did has more paint chips than I do.
I really don't think it's a "Mazda paint problem". Rather, the paint being used is now water based (if I recall correctly) and is not as durable as paints of yore.
thanks for the info
"I brought this up to the VW rep though, but he said he wanted to put the car in the shop one more time. So this time, if it's not right when I get it back, I will just drive their loaner (Mazda) Millenia until I feel my car is fixed right, or replaced. Because they will not be getting their car back until they learn to fix mine right, or replace it... After awhile, it feels like you are driving Chitty Chitty Bang Bang or something. VERY annoying in a car that costs ~$25,000 (I know mine did)."
-Paul
"I never really had problems with my 1999 Protege though, but the CD player (not a big deal). I should have kept that one, stupid me."
-- YOU on the Jetta topic last Thursday
Sorry, buddy. Your own words incriminate you.
Now stop your rattling before we both descend on your place of employment and shove rubber treatment down your throat. Or maybe you can't -- I hear rattles can be hard to diagnose. ;-)
Meade
Tartar Sauce
-love train
Paul, IMHO, doesn't have a point!
Meade
-old head
"I have one (scratch) on the back quarter panel near the trunk, some across my spoiler, a huge one on the hood, one on the right back door, one on the right front door, the right front fender, the fuel door, the left front door, the front and rear bumpers (multiple here), and the driver's side door. Basically the only panel left unscratched on my car is the roof and the right rear quarter panel. I don't know who or what's doing it (I know my inconsiderate neighbors are doing the bumpers on purpose, and God help them if I ever catch one of them..) but my almost 7-month old car looks like it's 3 years old.
Even the subject of rattles (oh Lord) came up here at about that time. Here's how his 16,000-mile Protege ES was doing:
"The only rattle I have at nearly 16,000 miles is the change in my coin holder.
Hey, I'm just quoting his own words from this topic, less than a year ago!
Paul, maybe you're jinxed and should try some reverse logic. You've tried to buy reliable cars and all you've gotten is junk. Maybe your next car, therefore, should be ... a FOCUS!
Meade
http://alg.com/
http://12.107.25.158/muni/purisima.asp
Here is how they rate:
24 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 55% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 53% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 52% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 45% of it's value
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 44% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 40% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 37% of it's value.
48 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 39% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 30% of it's value
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 30% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 29% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 28% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 25% of it's value.
60 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 40% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 36% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 35% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 34% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 27% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 26% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 24% of it's value
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains %24 of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 24% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 20% of it's value.
-old head
Meade
Say you purchased a 2001 Protege ES for $18,000, and you purchased a 2001 Jetta GLS for $24,000, all else (mileage, condition, etc.) being equal, this is how they'd play out over five years:
24 months:
Protege ES: $9,540; you've lost $8,460
Jetta GLS: $14,640: you've lost $9,360
48 months:
Protege ES: $6,840; you've lost $11,160
Jetta GLS: $11,040; you've lost $12,960
60 months:
Protege ES: $5,760; you've lost $12,240
Jetta GLS: $9,600; you've lost $14,400
So getting rid of the Jetta as soon as possible is important -- you're losing more and more of the money you spent the longer you keep it!
In other words: It may hold its value better, but not better enough to make up for the $6,000 more you paid for it in the first place!
Meade
Also, Larry, I was talking to RBrooks when he said about his car losing so much value. I just told him of my experiences, nothing more. And what I said was totally the truth. I am surprised he only got $11,400, and from a Mazda dealer to boot, for a car that was in a lot better shape than mine (appearance wise). Also, my Protege was not beat up, thank you very much. It had scratches on it, but that's not a big deal, totally normal. You all make it sound like the wheels were hanging off or something.
And I also don't like being crusified (for lack of a better word) about what I say on other forums. And I HATE being quoted too. That is rude, unless you are a news reporter.
Oh, I have a Millenia loaner now. I didn't even wanna look at a VW at the dealer the other day, so I asked for a Mazda or Subaru loaner (they sell all 3 there). This car is really nice inside and outside. If you can put up with the somewhat limited power (base model), limited leg room (I am 6'3), and the lack of some convenience items (auto-up/down windows and sunroof, auto locks, etc.) it's a great car to have. They have nice prices right about now as well.
"My car is in the shop today for a few issues I had, including a funny squeak from the tranny on a 3-2 downshift, pulsating brakes, a driver's window that won't go down all the way, a cigarette lighter that's not as hot as it used to be, and a "rocking" driver's seat. I got a call from the service guy, and he said they are trying to figure out what's going on with the tranny." -- 15,300 miles
"On a disappointing note, I came out to go to work this morning and discovered a 5-inch or so CRACK in the driver's side of my windshield!" -- 19,000 miles, 8 days prior to the Jetta purchase
"Since I have almost 20,000 miles on my car, it's value decreased quickly. That's cool though, because it's running just fine and I like it alot. I plan to keep it for a long, long time to come." -- And you said this just THREE DAYS prior to buying the Jetta!!!
To top it all off, I can't believe you said the following here, on this discussion, less than one month prior to buying the Jetta:
"VW couldn't even earn my business from their dealers' attitudes. They misrepresented an ad in the paper, then wouldn't honor it. They had a Jetta GLX advertised for like $20,000 and said it was a mistake. Oh well. They got none of my business. The dealers are rude and nasty. I can just imagine how the service dept. is. And the cars are overpriced for the size/power they have."
So you tell us who's blowing things out of proportion. Paul, it's rapidly becoming apparent to me that NO car will ever live up to your unattainable expectations. You criticize every car while you have it, find another that is supposed to be God's answer to the automobile, and within a few months you're criticizing THAT car and wanting out of it. I've seen you do it three times in two years.
Look at your own posts and how the reader might interpret them. In one month you've gone from proclaiming your 1.8T is the coolest car on the planet to wanting to "launch a little web page" and "downtalk the Jetta every chance I get." I think you really need to calm down and accept the fact that these are highly mechanical, complex machines and none of them have perfect track records.
Meade
And are you telling me a BASE Millenia doesn't have auto-down power windows, and no auto locks? Really? I'm not saying you're wrong -- it just surprises me.
Meade
My beef with you, today: Your posts have a "I told you so!" tone that implies that Mazda Protege's have poor trade value. You base that opinion on your prior experience and the hearsay of others. You always represent your opinions as fact. Well, your wrong. Here are the facts:ALG(Auto Leasing Guide) is the number one company, leading institutions use to calculate lease depreciation. Their site provides residual value data for new automobiles.
http://alg.com/
http://12.107.25.158/muni/purisima.asp
Here is how they rate:
24 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 55% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 53% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 52% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 45% of it's value
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 44% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 40% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 37% of it's value.
48 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 39% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 30% of it's value
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 30% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 29% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 28% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 25% of it's value.
60 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 40% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 36% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 35% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 34% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 27% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 26% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 24% of it's value
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains %24 of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 24% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 20% of it's value.
I'm sorry Paul, you are wrong about the Re-sale/trade value of the Mazda Protege. If you continue to post flippant opinionated posts about the Protege, I will counter with the FACTS. You want to look uninformed? That is your call.
-old head
And I do remember that misprint thing. That is too funny, I thought about that the other day. And the dealership where my car is being serviced is where that happend. I found out, though, that the service dept. is alot nicer than the dealers at that particular location were at that time.
I guess you are right about me expecting too much. But right now, I just expect the service dept. to fix my car right. It's not rocket science, it's only a couple rattes for God sake.
Also, we shouldn't be talking about other cars here. That's a no-no.
And yeah, where are the facts? There is nothing else there.
You have a warranty. This problem is being addressed under warranty. Give the dealership and your car a chance. And keep things in perspective. I'd be on your side on this matter if this was the eighth attempt at an engine or tranny problem -- but this is a rattle. Have you tried letting someone else drive while you try and pinpoint where it's coming from? If you do know the general area, have you tried poking around a little to find it yourself?
Meade
;-)
I am going to see what happens this time with the car. If it's not right when I go to get it, I will driving a Millenia for awhile.
Meade
http://alg.com/
http://12.107.25.158/muni/purisima.asp
Here is how they rate:
24 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 61% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 55% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 54% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 53% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 52% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 45% of it's value
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 44% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 43% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 40% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 37% of it's value.
48 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 46% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 39% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 38% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 30% of it's value
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 30% of it's value.
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains 29% of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 28% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 25% of it's value.
60 months-
2001 Honda Civic ES retains 41% of it's value.
2001 Volks Jetta GLS retains 40% of it's value.
2001 Toyota Corolla LE retains 36% of it's value.
2001 Nissan Sentra SE retains 35% of it's value.
2001 Subaru Impreza AWD retains 34% of it's value.
2001 Mazda Protege ES retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Ford Focus ZTS retains 32% of it's value.
2001 Chevy Cavalier LS retains 27% of it's value.
2001 Suzuki Esteem GLX+ retains 26% of it's value.
2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS retains 24% of it's value
2001 Daewoo Nubira CDX retains %24 of it's value.
2001 Dodge Neon ES retains 24% of it's value.
2001 KIA Spectra GSX retains 20% of it's value.
I'm sorry Paul, you are wrong about the Re-sale/trade value of the Mazda Protege. If you continue to post flippant opinionated posts about the Protege, I will counter with the FACTS. You want to look uninformed? That is your call.
-old head
Hey -- you know that spray-expanding foam insulation you can buy at Home Depot? Why don't you just buy a can of that, hold it up under your dash and press the button until the can's empty?
Meade
And very funny about the can from Home Depot. Someone posted that they got silicone spray or something and sprayed it in the door of the Jetta. Pretty bad when you have to shop for your brand-new car at the hardware store, isn't it?
They found the rattle, that's not the problem. Fixing it seems to be though. Finding it was the easiest part though.
Meade
BTW, It's nice to know that you're loved, eh Paul?
So it ISN'T a 30,000 car! Just needed to clarify that!
XM radio is absolutely AMAZING! Better-than-CD quality (to my ears - I have a similarly digitally connected CD changer in my car too!), lots of variety, 30 ad-free channels, and very limited and unobtrusive ads on the remaining 70 - and I love the fact that I get to listen to the newest music, news, sports etc, as well as some great songs I haven't heard in ages! Just right for me, as far as in-car entertainment is concerned :-)
I think it's a pretty cool service though from what I've heard and read. So please keep us up to date Ashu on how it performs and how you like it.
Ashu, can you get NPR on there? if so, what locale?
Ron: Best place to sell a caris AutoTrader.com!
Forget local classifieds in the papers, no calls.
I ran an ad on AutoTrader.com and sold my last car, a van, in 10 days and got $3,500 more for it than the dealer offered on trade. In fact, I got $1000 more than I hoped to get selling it myself.
Take a GOOD digital picture of your car, get in close so more car than background shows. Write a good spec list and be sure to say that it is exceptionally clean, no dings no dents, if that is true.
fowler3
1. xmradio.com
2. clubxm.com
3. The XM radio discussion here at edmunds)
Yes, there is a monthly fee (9.99 pm), an activation fee (14.99, or 9.99 online), an XM tuner and an antenna, and installation charges. Nothing more, assuming your head unit can handle the XM tuner (my Pioneer can). Also, you may be able to get discounts if you subscribe to Best Buy specials and Pioneer specials (I got both), and Best Buy was running (still is?) a free installation promo. I got lucky and combined all these deals/discounts, and had a setup that could easily handle the upgrade - else I couldn't afford it.
I suspect the only way to get your factory unit hooked up would be to use the FM modulated setup ($50 more for hardware, that is not half as clear as a digital connection).
Also, check whether it is feasible in Canada, as the satellites for XM are equatorial, geosynchronous - so reception in Southern USA is better than Northern areas. XM has LOTS of ground repeaters, and I have never lost signal yet, but it MAY be a different story further North.
And I was thinking about XM radio as well. They said the installation was like $300 though, so forget that.
Meade
Also, who in blazes quoted 300 for XM installation? The tuner is around 50, the antenna another 30-35 - and this is now free at Best Buy (and Circuit City?). If you mean the total cost is $300 installed, that sounds about right - except its less now that installation is free!
Meade
So I can only come to the evening chats, if I happen to be home then! Sorry!
-ashu
Meade