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Silver, very nice looking, nice leather interior (dealership owner showing it off), beautiful silver paint. I really liked the way the back doors both open at once. I really didn't like the lack of room in back. Very small area behind rear seats. The dog probably wouldn't like it, and it looks MUCH MUCH smaller than the Cherokee's and even SMALLER STILL than the older Cherokee/Wagoneer (Grand Cherokee? Grand Wagoneer?).
Overall, nice, but I'm not sure of the size, off road capability, un-proven-ness, and the new engine in general.
-mike
I am guessing this is due to three main factors:
1) No moon roofs will be available until July. So, the first 25,000 Liberty's will not have moon roofs, a major no-no is the world of the new SUV buyer.
2) Pricing. Dealers could be asking sticker plus, for vehicles that don't meet buyers needs.
3) Perhaps Jeep, like Ford with the new Explorer, over estimated the appeal of the Liberty.
And, with the specs (160 hp, 165 LB Torque) on the new CR-V begin released last week, it looks like the small SUV market will have plenty of stiff competition this fall.
-mike
Price wise, maybe. Not from what I have seen so far, though.
-mike
:-)
-mike
Which would also be MY reason to look at it.
"I think that a lot of people buying the liberty will not care about the frame and 4wd lo."
That would be MY reason for looking at that one and possibly buying it OVER the Honda one. Which is also the reason I am STILL considering the Sportage (and Cherokee, and XTerra; but not the Escape, CRV, or Santa Fe)
-mike
Bob
Still waiting for the right deal. I am also debating a Ford Ranger or F150 with the half doors. I need to build a shed and do other work around the house and haul a boat. Not sure if I want to (or can) go new or used. If Greenspan drops the interest rate again, I will refinance and build the purchase into that. My budget is probably topping out at $20,000 max, which means a used 98, 99 or 00 for some of the mentioned models, or maybe new (leftover) on a Ranger or Sportage. There is also a reputable salvage yard in Worcester (Linder's) who I would rather buy a reclaimed "totalled" car from than some new car dealers. They stand behind their work and have an excellent reputation. http://www.lindersinc.com/
Bob
I also have a boat to tow, so will have the hitch anyhow.
I am undecided on Wrangler because the boat is 1300 lb, maybe the max for the short wheelbase Wrangler. (I like Wrangler over the others because of its off road ability, plus it is a convertible!) If I didn't care about the Wrangler, I'd probably lean heavily toward a Liberty with trailer.
Bob
I must say I "love" how the discussion is mostly about moonroofs...
I think until you drive one, many of us here will probably regard your sarcastic comments as pretty much "sour grapes."
Bob
Are you afraid you might actually "like" the vehicle, IFS and all, after a test drive?
Bob
I'm not sure how driving one will change my criticism - I never said I wouldn't like driving one. I've said its not up to the offroad standards set by other Jeeps. Will a dealer let me ramp a Liberty?
If anything, the latest photos I've seen show a less than flattering view of the Liberty's wheel travel capabilities.
No. Jeep has lost me as a customer. Unless they put a solid axle on it, I won't buy a new Jeep. There isn't any reason to.
Apparently its a vibrational dampener...
-mike
Plus, don't forget the image thing. (that grill and those headlights work wonders).
Mostly, I think more people are looking for a frame and 4low than many of you think. I know I am.
-mike
The comments posted here on Edmunds are probably fairly typical of those looking at this vehicle. So they're quite valid. I know there have been a number of recent postings (besides mine) over at "Mike's Totally Free Jeep News" that have been very positive since the vehicle hit the streets. Before that, most posts were very critical of the vehicle.
Frankly, I could care less if you drive it or not. However, as long as you don't have any first hand experience with the vehicle, and remain an arm-chair quarterback, your comments will ring hollow for a lot of folks. It's real easy to sit back and be critical. If, however, you get up close and personal (and not just look at photos), maybe you just might learn something new—and positive.
Mike-
I'm not at all convinced that an Xterra or Rodeo are better built, or less expensive. As far as low ranges are concerned, the low range in a Jeep (any Jeep) is much lower (2.72:1) than that of either the the Xterra or Rodeo.
Bob
I'm willing to bet, that before this year is out, that the Liberty will either win outright, or do extremely well, in any and all comparison magazine tests. That includes those from the 4x4 community.
I think it is going to surprise a lot of non-believers as to just how good an off-road vehicle it actually is.
(I think I hear incoming...)
Bob
-mike
but I view the difference in this jeep to the older ones like a pentium 1 Vs a pentium 3. there may be a slight decrease in off road performance but still acceptable by most standards. only the real hard core off roaders will notice.
DC has hit it's target with the liberty. they
pi--off a few and satisfy thousands. I can tell you that after visiting 5 different dealers in my area and one in the buffalo NY area, they are licking their chops with the prospect of bringing in customers that would never have considered a jeep in the past - myself included.
after test drive & full inspection of the liberty, my only complaints so far are the window controls & the smaller than I expected space behind the back seat.
The only things this vehicle has over the others is its off road ability (even if not as good as the Cherokee, it is better than the remaining competition), and full frame for towing.
The only thing which would make me consider buying it would be if it is less than $20,000 and reliable. Those last two are yet to be seen. I suspect it will be more reliable than its predecessor, the Cherokee. This will help draw some in and keep others in JEEPs.
Now, if only they made the Wrangler with maybe 6-8" longer wheelbase....
(I really like the convertible...saw a Range Rover "something" wagon down the Cape Mem. Day weekend and thought it was pretty neat.)
Bob
Bob
I guess I take one check out of the plus column and put it into the minus column. A two point loss for Liberty.
Bob
http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/indexnoflash.htm
Only the Wrangler has a full-frame chassis.
Bob
Thanks.
Bob
I have very little desire to check out the Liberty. Its just another run-of-the-mill cute ute out there.
Nothing special about it at all.
Matt
I wonder if Best Buy will begin charging more for new CD releases, or charge more for the hottest TV not he market.... Or, how about charging 2x more for Apples as they are the best selling fruit during the summer? ...
-mike
for an extra 3k, you can actually move up in class to something bigger & better.
The last I recall, a jury found CR guilty of knowingly printing false information (or something to that effect), but because they didn't award any damage amounts to Isuzu, both parties came out claiming victory. I'm wondering if either party appealed and anything new has developed.
-mike
Bob