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I haven't tried one yet, but I've looked at a few and I have a few observations: 1) Where's the Selec-trac? I've only seen one G-package Limited that had one. All the Sports have Command-Trac. and 2) They must not have got the ruler anywhere near the front control arms when they measured the ground clearance. They are a good inch or two below the level of the rear diff. The control arms on my wife's Outback wagon are that far off the ground. Nevertheless, I will be interested in a Liberty when the 5-speeds arrive.
--Jeff
This becomes more of an issue as more and more cute-ute buyers start cross-shopping Libertys with Foresters, etc.
I also feel ABS should be standard at least on the Limited models.
Bob
-mike
The Jeep®.....renowned for it's history. It has carried soldiers into war and brought them safely back. It has carried missionaries into the deepest jungles in the world. It has carried millions of civilians far down the road less traveled. So what do you get when you combine a heritage that rich with functionality of a present-day SUV?.....the Scrambler.
The Scrambler was a SUV before SUVs were cool. It had the go anywhere attitude of a Jeep with pickup truck usefulness. The many top configurations made it even more useful. Add a full hardtop and you have a modern day SUV. Add a full softop and you have an extended ragtop with space for the family and gear. Add a half hardtop and you have a pickup. Add a half softtop and you have a ragtop pickup. What other vehicle can compete with that?......none. It was produced from 1981-1986 with @27,000 units being rolled out. We can only assume that the Jeep "Scrambler" was a product of the marketing department whereas the Jeep engineers insisted on the CJ-8 denotation.
So if the Scrambler was so great, why did they only make @27,000? Well, quite simply, it was ahead of it's time. It came along as America was coming out of a gas crunch and the emphasis was on economy, not utility. Well, just like your bellbottoms, utility is now in style. With the new push towards utility and the desire to drive something that didn't come from today's cookie-cutter SUVs, the Scrambler has stormed back in popularity over the past few years. Naturally, the increased demand and already limited supply has driven the cost of the Scrambler up. So if you have one, you own a piece of automotive history. Where does that leave us? Why are you here? Both questions can be answered by saying that Scrambler owners are a dedicated bunch who love their vehicles and possess a desire to share our knowledge. We are here to help in that mission. If you are a Scrambler owner, you have found your campfire to sit around. This is your virtual garage with your fellow wrenchers/jeepers to share your knowledge and increase others. So grab a hold of the passenger grab bar and enjoy the ride.
Yes, I too would like to see a Liberty spin-off similar to this.
Bob
tom
Will I be pleasantly surprised to discover a solid axle under the front end?
Will I be pleasantly surprised to discover a cast iron head?
Will there be disk brakes in the rear?
Where, in any post of mine, have I said anything at all that would change by seeing one? I'm sure they're nice. I'm sure they drive great on the road. Why is what I say hollow?
The Liberty has IFS and SRA. That makes it indistinguishable from all the rest.
I am a current Jeep enthusiast. I put up with all the mechanical problems that typically come with Jeeps because I am an enthusiast. Instead of complaining, I go about solving them myself.
The Liberty does not have a SFA.
I do not want one.
I will not buy one.
If you think thats hollow, so be it.
From some other posts I have read, looks like it's the headlights and grille that inspire some purchases of Jeeps. Headlights and grille???? Is that all it takes? Wow. I'm in the wrong business.
-mike
Solid Rear Axle
Front Solid Axle
-mike
PS: nope, I don't think people should drive even what is perceived to be needed or practical, IMHO people should drive whatever they want for whatever reasons they want, even if those reasons are "Just because I want to"
"It makes me feel cool."
"It makes me feel tough."
"I like the different (feature here)."
"It smells nice."
"I got a good deal."
"My mom likes me to drive it."
It is still a free country (for the most part, other than overburdensome taxes).
So, what do you intend to buy when Jeep eventually replaces all their solid axles—which they WILL do at some point?
BTW, I test drive many vehicles, even though I have absolutely no intention of ever buying them. If a vehicle interests me in any way, I'll drive it just to satisfy my curiousity. At least then I'll have some real-time basis for my commnents.
Bob
If I desired to see one I would drive to the nearest dealer that DOES have one. Since I don't, I won't. When the closest dealership does get some, and I have some free time, I'll stop by.
But it still won't have a solid axle up front, so I still won't be interested.
paisan: I think Rusty has already started a conversion - or at least said he intends to. At any rate, its the principal of the thing that matters. The Liberty should have gotten the JGC's suspension stock, then everyone would be happy.
lovethosesuvs: Abandon the loyalty? DC is doing a decent job of getting that to happen without any active decision on my part.
As far as "better quality vehicle" out there, with an XJ, you get the single best offroad vehicle, at its spot on the price spectrum, available. They're easy to work on and parts are very cheap. There really aren't too much of a headache if you are decent with a wrench. Its a Jeep Thing.... :-)
-mike
Whatever.
Bob
I also notice that if you go for the trailer package, or the off road package, they each have the heavy duty cooling. If you want both packages, I guess you have to pay for it twice.
I would rather just get the cooling, and then put on my own aftermarket skid plates, trailer wiring, and tow hitch (better quality AND less money!).
How come they don't allow individual options any more?
I would so much rather have a basic model, then a pick list which I could check off on down the line. You would think in this day and age, a build to order would not be that complicated.
-mike
Bob
Here are the prices the saleman gave me:
Off-Road package: Sport = $765.00, Limited = $520.00
Tow package: Sport & Limited = $325.00
Tow package (if you order Off-Road package too): Sport & Limited = $245.00
Bob
-mike
I think Ford has done an excellent job with the new Explorer. It's light-years better than the one I own. Especially in terms of packaging—which is a direct result of the IRS.
Bob
-mike
Matt
Matt
Bob
-mike
I was thinking about the tires and packages, and figure it is best to get the most basic, then upgrade on your own. You'll probably do better for the same money, or do the same for less money by going aftermarket. Just pick the tranny and engine of your choice.
This probably applies even to limited slip rear end and hubs.
Opinions?
Bob
#1. It's tiny, behind the rear seat is enough room for 4 grocery bags, maybe!
#2. It's roof is unnecessarily HI. I can't reach it to wash it or wax it. It looks like a telephone booth.
#3. It looks like a Chevry Tracker, Grand Vitara or a Kia Sportage, with a Wrangler Grille. What's "so new" about that?
#4. It's got the horrible tire on the back, and they don't even cover it with a nice cover, like Mitsubishi does on it's Montero.
Proof that NEW is not necessarily BETTER. IF this is Mercedes fault, they'll make the Grand Cherokee look like the Isuzu Vehicross next!
-mike
#2. Buy a stepstool or a ladder, this is a truck. Otherwise, buy a car.
#3. What's so bad about that?
#4. I prefer the tire out back. It takes up less space, is easy to get at, and won't get ruined off road.
thats probably one downside to having the tire on the tailgate....wouldnt be a problem if the bumper stuck out past the tire though....
anybody have anything to add?
Also you could install a bar such as http://isuzu-suvs.com/rearbar.html for $129 which would take the impact as well as protect against parking lot incidences(sp).
-mike
1. I agree with you on this one.
2.More room is always welcome. I'm 6'2", not extremely tall, but a bit over average. I can always use more headroom. Several people in my family are over 6'6" , so they can apppreciate headroom. Get a ladder, I use one anyway so I can see the wash job from every angle.
3. It is an all-new from the ground up vehicle, not a spin off. Remember, everyone else spun off of the Jeep in the first place. Saying it looks like a Wrangler in the front is no insult, to be sure! The grille just says that it's a Jeep.
4. If you have to change a tire, would you rather it be 1. underneath the vehile where it can be damaged off-road and it's necessary to get on you knees to swivel it out, 2. inside the back, where it steals cargo room, or 3. outside where it is easily accessible with a minuimu of effort. YOU DO CHANGE YOUR TIRE YOURSELF INSTEAD OF GETTING SOMEONE TO DO IT FOR YOU, RIGHT??? Also, Mercedes-Benz did nothing significant on the Liberty--it was a Chysler project, to my understanding. There are no Mercedes parts on it that I'm aware of.
-mike
-mike
Matt
-mike
Bob
...and "the cargo room it steals is not bad"...
...
...then why do you even care if it doesn't have much room behind the seat?
And how is a stepladder any less convenient than a stepstool? I keep both in my basement, but when I build a new shed, they will both be out there (with my car washing pail).