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Drew
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However, I think buying a new Liberty in 2WD might be different, and don't buy a 4WD and then never take it anywhere rugged...My little 2WD Blazer has bumped over some funky trails in Death Valley...if that is all you are going to do, then save $$$ and go with 2WD...suspension and clearance are as important as 4WD unless you are really goin' off the beaten path...
Scott
Up 'till now I've tried to be polite, but the more comments I read from these folks who suggest buying a Subaru instead of the Liberty, the more I feel the need to tell it like it is (was).
I think anybody considering buying a Jeep, even if they never use or need 4WD, should get it; just so they get a decent return on their investment at trade-in time.
Bob
And, if you've been following this forum for any length of time, you should know I'm also a big Liberty fan. However, as much as I do like the Liberty, I think for some folks, a Subaru (or some other vehicle) would be a better choice.
Bob
There are many better alternatives available to this quarter sport quarter utility half gas sucking vehicle.
Let the wardrums roll...
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You should be able to buy this vehicle for MSRP or even lower. A 5k markup is ridiculous. I was going to buy a VW Golf and ended up walking out of the deal because they were going to add a 1k markup to the price of the Golf. Five months later, when the next year's models came out, they were willing to deal.
Bob
I know I can "order" these features, but I don't like to shop that way. I like to find the vehicle I want on the lot—and purchase it, right then and there. I don't want to wait 6-8 weeks to get my new vehicle.
I suspect a lot of Liberty customers are forced to order vehicles because their local dealers don't stock them the way they want.
Bob
The one they tested was a loaded Limited, with Select Trac, off-road package, trailer package and (yes!) ABS. It stickered $27-something K, but it had just about everything on it.
Bob
mine is still at d1 status but the original ship date of early july has been moved back to the 23rd. I suspect ABS had something to do with it.
I call the 800# every few days to make sure it is still the 23rd.
later
tinoman
Tony
BTW did you read my post in yahoo about the moonroof? my dealer told me that there was no restriction for sport models with moonroof just limited models because of headliner parts being different.
oh well - i'm calling the 800# again tomorrow and will also have my dealer try to verify the same dates.
I've had 2 jeeps and one was a Wrangler- the X is a winner on and off road- just did a 400 mile road trip... comfortable on pavement and dirt.
I couldn't be happier that I didn't buy another Jeep- although it is a very nice vehicle.
My father purchased a Liberty 2 weeks back so ive been able to drive it around town. The fit and finish seem better than xterra, the ride more comfortable than the xterra, the dash layout is better and the radio is more suitable to me, the exterior of the Lib is superior to xterra. The reliability issue is still unclear for the liberty but will find out in near future.
I must say i own a loaded ford escape and it has more pep and better gas mileage but the interior is not as nice as liberty and is better than xterra. The radio is much better than xterra and equal to liberty. Interior room is a negative compared to liberty or xterra. The ride of escape is by far better than xterra or liberty, liberty being a close 2nd and xterra well its way down the list to ride comfort. If true offroading is what you wanna do the xterra or liberty will do fine and if around town and gravel and dirt roads is all then to me the escape wins for price, gas mileage, reliablity on later models. Of course this is all in my humble opinion, but is based on having owned the xterra for over a year and the escape for 5 months and driven the liberty as much as i can get the keys away from pop's. Good Luck in your choice.
Then again, I drive a box on wheels (Cherokee) so take my opinion with a grain of salt. They're also finally being advertised here in Canada. They should do huge sales just before winter.
Bob
Bob
It allows the entry-level buyer to decide what they need depending on use and climate.
It is sort of like the difference between choosing "Command Trac" or "Selec-Trac"- I think Selec-Trac is a safety advantage because you can leave it in full-time 4 on all road conditions. But it costs more and many only need 4 wd occasionally and it is no problem shifting into 4 when they do. And it saves them $400.
It is not the responsibility of a car company to make every safety feature standard.
The Liberty is a fine vehicle and I think people will be happy with their choice (even though I went for the Nissan I'm sure I would like the Lib if I'd bought one).
Have fun.
When you standardize (more) items, it makes production a lot simpler, and therefore cheaper.
Bob
Tony
Maybe it's your vehicle. I know GM trucks have been heavily criticized in the past, the S-10 included, for poor brake performance. I know the new full-size GM truck have much improved brakes.
Bob
That portion of the factory sticker is missing. These aren't sold vehicles, they are all "in-line" and on the lot...Why would a dealer do this? And is it agaist the law?
As an aside, Saabs have had the window controls on the center console for years. It's a little awkward at first but you get used to it.
IMO, ABS is a must on snow and ice. Saved my butt more than a few times. Keep your foot down on the brakes, and no worrying about the car losing it's direction and stops straight. Used to have a Cavalier z24 with front discs, rear drums and I was scared quite a few times, even in rain slicked roads. ABS is awesome!
-mad
I would skip the Limited and any options that go exclusively with it and get the Sport just to get the cladding. I really like the White with the gray flares/bumpers, they look almost black against the white. And will be less hassle from parking lot dings and outdoor adventure impacts.
Just my .02
Jeep should make some of the limited options available for the Sport model. I went with the sport in silver and the dk grey cladding looks sharp with that color.
As far as gas mileage goes, I'm not sure yet but I'm measuring this tank and will let the list know how I fare. It's nothing stellar I can tell you that.
webb
Of course, not all anti-lock braking systems are equal. The more sophisticated once have 4 channels and 4 wheel sensors. I believe GM's, at least for the pickups, only has a 3 channel system that activates the ABS once one of the rear wheels starts locking up. This means that the system can kick in prematurely, and longer than necessary, hence lengthening the stopping distance.
ABS does allow you to straighten out the car somewhat because of something called Gier Moment Anstiegsverzögerung (at least this is what Bosch calls it). Basically GMA delays the brake pressure increase on the wheels with higher traction by a fraction of a second, so that the driver can respond to a braking-induced turning/yawing motion. One can also test the GMA delay when braking hard on split traction surfaces. Although GMA is a passive system which is only used during ABS modulation, it could've very likely inspired electronic stability control systems.
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