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  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    IMHO, There should be three categories of SUVs: (1) Base price under $25K (2) Base price between $25K and $35K (3) Base price above $35K.

    As I read the postings here, it would seem that most of us look at just about every SUV in our price range and then compare. Now, whether it's compact, mid-sized, or full-sized only comes into account as a subset of a very large list of weighted SUV purchase objectives.

    Having said this, I have a hard time believing that any other SUV in category '1' can beat the Liberty UNLESS gas milage is the most heavily weighted objective.
  • indylowflyerindylowflyer Member Posts: 148
    Good idea,however, price was not the way we looked for an suv. Our considerations were size, which related to the other major factors, which were handling, ease to drive, and fuel mileage. We wanted a mini, not mid or full size. No offense, but I shudder at the thought of my wife cruising around in a full size suv. We would probably find a crushed-up Toyota Corolla under the wheel well once a week!

    Also, I would add $50,000 and up as a fourth category.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    the only true competitors for the Liberty are the Xterra and Rodeo. You could probably also include the old Chevy Blazer, since it's being kept around as a price leader. These are the only vehicles that can attempt to match the Liberty in price and capability.

    All the others mentioned can only compete in price, but not in capability.

    Bob
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    You cannot get the Xterra to hit $30,000. I just bought an Xterra SE with almost everything (including aftermarket leather) for $24k. There were only 3 options I didn't get and they add up to under $500.

    Even at MSRP, it won't hit $30K. $28K tops.

    I completetlty agree that the Liberty is a faster 0-60 than the X. But neither are particularly "fast"- and if I want fast, I'll drive my wife's sports car.

    And I agree- The Liberty/Xterra and Rodeo are the most similar in size/price/capability for comparison. CRV, RAV, SANTA FE compete only in price with the above- capabilities with eachother.

    To cross-compare the CRV group and the Liberty group really only makes sense if you are truly unsure about your purpose for the vehicle.
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    I just finished reading the Motor Trend article and they said the 0-60 was 10sec. But motorweek says it's 8.7? Also they said the ground clearance was only eight inches, isn't it atleast 9.6"? Kinda confused, help.

    Matt
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    Wish I could help... don't get the difference in spec's- maybe the measurement was not to the bottom of the rear dif in Jeep manual and M.T. measure ground to dif? Who knows- maybe they had a flat.

    Good article though, huh?

    Heavily weighted with GM products, but I didn't feel they were overly kind to any vehicle.

    It should make any owner of a Liberty or a Frontier/Xterra proud of their choice.
  • n40n40 Member Posts: 8
    Wedgeguy - No locking pin with my trailer hitch. Did go & buy a Master Lock - stainless steel, Class III , Universal Receiver Lock for my rig - part#1480DAT. Hope this helps you. The 7 to 4 pin adaptor plug was included, however.

    n40
  • cheryl3038cheryl3038 Member Posts: 42
    I watched the Death Valley special on Motor Trend TV tonight and it has me so psyched to get my Liberty!
  • rvbrokerrvbroker Member Posts: 22
    Just picked up my Limited on Friday. It has the tow package but I did not find the 7 pin to 4 pin adapter. Was it in the console or where?

    Harlan
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    I did not receive the 7 to 4 pin adaptor with my tow package. Guess I'll have a little chat with my dealer about it. I did find out that the pin is not supposed to come with the hitch. It comes with the part that fits in the hitch.
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    Has anyone found a cargo net that will fit on the four tie down fittings in the back of the Liberty? It would sure be nice to put stuff under the net so it won't go flying around while driving. The BMW I sold to get the Liberty had a net in the trunk and it was great. I even went to the BMW dealer to see if the BMW net would fit in the Liberty but it didn't.
  • TobyjugTobyjug Member Posts: 13
    Would someone let me know what the rpm reading is on there Liberty in overdrive 4th gear at a steady 45/50/60 mph. My 4WD Ltd reads around 2000 rpm at all three speeds which makes me think I have a transmission problem.
    Thanks for your help
    David B
  • mad0865mad0865 Member Posts: 176
    That was a cool episode of MT-TV. Especially about the way they described the Liberty as being the most fun to drive in that environment, and about the scenario of turning the A/C on at 120 degrees, and watching it drop to 100 degrees in 55 seconds.

    -mad
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    I am sure one of these cargo nets would suit your needs...


    http://www.xterraparts.com/html/cargo-nets.html

  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    Thank you! Those cargo nets are perfect, and exactly what I was looking for. I owe you one.
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    Even though I drive the enemy vehicle Xterra- I come in peace!

    No problemo.
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    To check for Technical Service Bulletins, follow this link and put in the year, make and model you are interested in for all current TSB's. There have already been a few for the Liberty.


    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/tsb/

  • indylowflyerindylowflyer Member Posts: 148
    The TSB states there are skunky Jeep Libertys and numerous other bulletins. Better watch out, here comes the Chrysler quality factor or should I say lack of quality. New model and the trouble begins.......................................
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    just got my liberty today with the sentry alarm/key theft system on the g-pkg. the manual says the keys have that computer chip to prevent starting the car by unauthorized keys. the keys I was given are round gray with the usual 2 sided cut. I dont see any chip or anything. Am I supposed to? what do other's keys look like that have the g-pkg?

    thanks

    btw will post my initial assessment after I put some miles on it.
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    I've also got the "G" package and my two keys look exactly as you describe. The chip must be inside the gray rubber part.
  • n40n40 Member Posts: 8
    My 7 to 4 pin adaptor ended up in the glove compartment after the dealer "prepped" it. The day before when I had to check it out it wasn't there, it may have been in the pastic bag of goodies in the rear storage area? Anyhow, looks like all Trailer Tow Groups, regardless of the package you get, includes (or should) include the 7 to 4 pin adaptor. ............
  • tonysracingtonysracing Member Posts: 80
    Trying to forecast the doom huh? Well let's take a look at the Technical Bulletins.

    5 total. Two of them have to do with simple bulletins concerning every Chrysler vehicle, telling technicians not to use oil additives and something about a scan tool. Another about the IOD fuse has to do with installing the fuse during dealer prep. The one you refer to mentions an odor on vehicles built before April 19th. It also mentions very few are affected. The last is about an airbag/clock spring service which I havent investigated yet.

    TSB's are the way the manufacturer communicates with it's technician's. It doesnt mean anything is necessarily wrong, just issues that come up during the course of normal business.

    Let's take a look at your Escape on the other hand. 5 recalls total? 2 within the first weeks of production? Who's complaining about lack of quality now?

    I would rather have a funny smell than have the steering wheel come off in my hand like the Escape recall mentioned. The Liberty is already well beyond the point where the Escape (and Tribute for that matter) had these recalls.

    Of course this is just my opinion..............

    Tony
  • tonysracingtonysracing Member Posts: 80
    My Sport has the same Sentry Key and it's just grey like your's, I can't see any difference. Any pics yet?

    Tony
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    Now you've got my curiosity up. Exactly what else, besides the 7 to 4 pin trailer hitch adapter, was IN that bad of goodies? My limited didn't have a bag of any sort in the back. All I got was a lug nut key for the spare tire in the glove box, a sealed packet of manuals and a front license plate holder thrown in the back seat, and that's IT.
  • rvbrokerrvbroker Member Posts: 22
    Just picked up my Limited with off road pkg and towing pkg and the only thing I got was the lug nut lock key and manuals. No 7 pin to 4 pin adapter. 400 mile trip home yielded 18.9 mpg...not too bad from right out of the box.
  • iggycatiggycat Member Posts: 25
    The 7 to 4 pin wiring adapter should be included with your trailer towing package. I seem to remember the window sticker showing the adapter as part of the trailer towing option.

    If the window sticker doesn't say so, the Jeep Liberty website http://www.jeepunpaved.com/liberty/index.html does show this as part of the trailer tow package.

    Here's the text from the info box:
    TRAILER TOW GROUP -- Includes Class III receiver hitch, 7-pin wiring harness, 7-to-4 pin adaptor and heavy duty engine cooling. includes
    Adaptor - 7 to 4 Pin, Wiring
    Engine Cooling - Heavy Duty
    Hitch - Class III Receiver
    Wiring Harness - 7 Pin

    Go to "Build my Liberty" and read the info box for the trailer tow package in step 4 to see for yourself.

    In one of the Liberties I test drove, I remember the adapter in a plastic bag in the passenger side door pocket. In another, it was lying in the cargo area.

    I'd recommend having a chat with your dealer if you didn't get your adapter. You paid for it, after all.
  • wedgeguywedgeguy Member Posts: 20
    So if you didn't get one with your towing package, let your dealer know. It definitely should have been included.
  • iggycatiggycat Member Posts: 25
    The 7 to 4 pin wiring adapter should be included with your trailer towing package. I seem to remember the window sticker showing the adapter as part of the trailer towing option.

    If the window sticker doesn't say so, the Jeep Liberty website http://www.jeepunpaved.com/ does show this as part of the trailer tow package.

    Go to "Build my Liberty" and read the info box for the trailer tow package in step 4 to see for yourself.

    In one of the Liberties I test drove, I remember the adapter in a plastic bag in the passenger side door pocket. In another, it was lying in the cargo area.

    I'd recommend having a chat with your dealer if you didn't get your adapter. You paid for it, after all.
  • pjd1pjd1 Member Posts: 13
    We have now put a little over 3,000 trouble free miles on my wife's Liberty Limited.
    Quite frankly this car's been terrific.
    It handles significantly better than her '99
    Cherokee. Flat in the the corners and excellent,
    much improved steering feel and response.
    The cabin space is vastly improved.
    Fit, finish, and interior material quality
    are all excellent.
    The build, material quality and handling, seem nearly European.
    So far, I'm very pleased and impressed.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    IIRC, the ground clearance is 9.6 inches for the 2WD version. Remember that temperature, humdity, altitude, and track conditions all play a part in acceleration. Motor Trend did say that the high altitude sucked the life out of the normally aspirated engines in their group.


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  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    thanks to those that described their keys. the manual says we cannot just go to walmart & have a key made - it will not work because it has to be programmed. my dealer did not actually tell me this 4 digit code but I do see something on the invoice.

    pics will be coming

    also some initial reaction (only put on 30 miles)

    I love the radio controls on the steering wheel
    a/c did ok on the #3 fan setting driving around town -95+ degrees yesterday.
    steering feels slightly heavier than I'm used to
    truck felt slightly sluggish but then again I had the a/c blasting and its to new to assess. I will know better today when I do a 100mi RT to a mtg.
    seats comfortable
    fit & finish is excellent
    dealer experience was so/so

    oh when I checked under the hood the dealer pointed out that the alternator was much higher than other SUV's so I could go through deeper water.
  • arjay1arjay1 Member Posts: 172
    Who cares were the alternator is. Did he point out were the air intake is for the engine? That is what really dictates how deep of a water crossing you can make. And were is the air intake for the Liberty, I haven't checked? Is it were the water blown back by the cooling fan would get into it? These are the things that determine a true off-road vehicle.
    I love these dealer comments. Someone mentioned to this person that the alternator is mounted high for better water crossing and now he is using it as a selling point. Did he tell you exactly how deep of water you can cross? By pointing out the alternator you would assume you can cross water as high as the alternator is mounted. That would be 3, maybe 3-1/2 feet deep. Jeep should give an exact safe fording depth for the Liberty. I am guessing anywhere in the 18" to 25" range (I don't know the vehicle yet). That is the number the dealer should be passing along, not pointing out the alternator height.
    Just another example of untrained sales people. If the Jeep is supposed to be the leader in off-road capability than all the sales people should be thoroughly briefed in all these details. Can they give you the approach and departure angles?
    None of this is a knock against the Liberty, it appears to be good vehicle and one I am considering. I just get frustrated by these sales people with no product knowledge. When I was shopping for my Land Rover, every sales person I spoke to knew all the finer details of these vehicles capabilities. They were very well trained and briefed. Jeep needs to do the same thing to set themselves apart.
  • jimsxnjimsxn Member Posts: 108
    ..Someone mentioned in another group that the Jeep warranty is voided if you ever take your vehicle off-road!!!
    Is this true?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    If I'm not mistaken, the Liberty brochure states that the 9.6" ground clearance is for the 4WD version. The 2WD version is a bit over 10" (10.1"?).

    Bob
  • 77sting77sting Member Posts: 1
    I'm looking for a jeep liberty 27g with towing and sunroof. located in the midwest. anyone see one!
    john
  • tonysracingtonysracing Member Posts: 80
    The air intake for the Liberty is on a snorkel which is mounted under the hood on the passenger side. It also has a baffle to prevent water from splashing into it from under the hood or through the grill. It sits pretty high, at least above the headlights. I also read that the fog lights are waterproof and the chassis and underbody has drainage holes to prevent water from pooling after a crossing.

    Im not ready to give it that kind of a bath yet though, maybe next year...

    Tony
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    total BS - this jeep is made to go offroad - it better NOT void any warranty.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    2 college aged "babes" waived to me in my liberty today while I was on the highway. HUM ??

    put about 85 miles on and now have 113. felt a lot better as it broke in more. no squeaks, rattles etc. I did open the back windows at hwy speed to see what everyone was talking about with that road noise that is SOoooo unbearable. open about 1/3 of the way I could hear the noise starting to become louder. but then it changed in pitch as I put the window down even more to an eventual low groaning type sound but louder in a way - hard to describe.

    also at normal driving conditions the liberty felt secure going through curves and in changing lanes (60-70mph). however I did tug abruptly at the wheel (and this was by no means the way you would tug in an evasive manuver) and I sensed that the liberty might be tippy if you really had to change lanes abruptly at 70 mph. but then again, these things come with the territory. we all knew that going into buying this or any SUV.

    one more point, the overhead trip computer said my avg MPG was between 18.6 & 18.9.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    I made a point to watch the tach so I could answer your question.

    at 60mph with cruise on the tach was 2100, more when it went up a grade then back down again.

    going through town the tach went up & down as it went through the lower gears. getting on the hwy, it increased to 2-3000 as I accelerated to speed then leveled off again at 2100 or so as I maintained that speed. I did not really notice what it read when I kept it steady at 45; then at 50; then 55 etc...
  • TobyjugTobyjug Member Posts: 13
    Thanks for your input, took it to the dealer today to have it checked out. Test drove a second one to compare and it behaved exactly the same. Turns out the Torque converter locks up at about 62 mph (about 2000 rpm) you can feel it if you are watching for it, below that speed it is in a semi variable mode so 50 mph could be 1700 rpm or 2100 rpm depending on the throttle opening. My old Cherokee locked in at a much lower speed about 45 mph, which is why the liberty feels strange, guess it must be normal as both examples drove the same, probably these new fangled electronic transmission controls programmed to maximize the engine torque curve.
    David b
    00 TLC
    91 JCL
    02 JLL
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Oops, my mistake. I was thinking of another vehicle. I believe the ground clearance for the 4WD model is 10.1", and 9.6" for the 2WD.


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  • tonysracingtonysracing Member Posts: 80
    The warranty is not voided if you go offroad. However, they will not cover wear and tear or mechanical failures due to off-roading or other extreme conditions such as racing. My dealer mentioned this to me during my purchase. They have an offroad trail nearby, and someone submerged their Cherokee and got water in the engine. That's an example of something that is not covered under warranty.

    Basically it means if a part breaks due to it being abused, they won't cover it. That's pretty much standard on any warranty.

    Tony
  • bjurickbjurick Member Posts: 15
    Bought my Liberty Limited today. Mine is Silver, 4x4, 27G, ABS, Side Airbags, Off Road Group, Trailer Tow. Really wanted sunroof and heated seats too, but I guess you can't have everything. I think I got a good deal...$50 over invoice. No haggle, great dealer. Bickered a little on the trade but came to an agreement. I live in DFW, TX. I have only driven it about 10 miles home and will report back in about two weeks after putting some miles on it.
  • rajagon2rajagon2 Member Posts: 1
    Hi friends, Hi Tony,

    Tony I am from Venezuela, the new Jeep Liberty sell in Venezuela in September, I stop my buy on a Grand cherokee until a can test the new Liberty, tell me about your on road experience on hard traffic and hi way. I don´t ask about offroad, it's a Jeep.

    Rafael
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    of the Jeep Liberty Limited:

    http://www.thecarplace.com/02lib.htm


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  • lovethosesuvslovethosesuvs Member Posts: 95
    Now that the inital period of release has passed, it's good to see a review like this that brings everyone to a realistic perspective. I'm surprised he didn't say more about DC's influence on Jeep quality.

    The Lib IS a great vehicle, but I agree with the reviewer's assessment. I'd love to see the Lib in a couple of years. Seems like they couldn't offer as many features "out the door" in the first model year as some other vehicles have (moonroof, ABS, etc.). Kind of a shame that people have to put up with that--I see lots of comments about those who have bought and would have liked these features. Just becuase you have bought a vehicle doesn't mean you are completely satisfied. Jeep could have created increased brand loyalty and brand equity by having these features available right away. As the reviewer said, it's good but it could be even better.
  • drmoddrmod Member Posts: 11
    I just called the DC Order Status 1-800 number and they gave me the following code:

    D firm schedule - dealer has allocation and all parts available

    Any idea how long it should take from here?

    Thanks!

    Doc
    (Black Limited, G pkg., ABS, Side airbags)
  • tonysracingtonysracing Member Posts: 80
    From that point in my order mine took 4 weeks. You can also track your order once it's built depending on where you live. If it's coming East then you are getting shipped on CSX rail. Once you get you railcar # from the 800# go to www.csxt.com and you can track it there. Good Luck!

    Tony
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    Mine has been almost eight (8) weeks. I have been through to restrictions (abs, moonroof) and they stiull have not built mine. They said this week but it is still in 'D' status. I am sick of waiting.. I am giving DC till next week to start or I'' have to find one someway else.
  • drmoddrmod Member Posts: 11
    Have you you been in "D" status for the whole 8 weeks? Ugh! Here I thought things were finally going to get moving :(
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