Jeep Liberty

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  • 54texas54texas Member Posts: 1
    bjurick, read your posting with great enthusiasm. I've been comparing prices on similarly equipped Liberties in the central Texas area for about 3 weeks now. I've seen two or three postings from people who've gotten good deals from dealers in the DFW area. Can you tell me the dealers name, and any details about how you got such a good deal? I don't mind driving the 3 hours up to DFW if I can get a good deal. Also, did the dealership have a good selection on the lot, were they knowledgeable about the Liberty? Have found that most of the dealerships around here have salesmen who are not real familiar with the product. Anyone else out there in Central Texas getting any good deal from dealers?
  • gwwdmtgwwdmt Member Posts: 1
    Chris
    Try Bossier Country in Fairfield. I ordered a Limited which stickered at $27,835. They sold it to me for $26,000. Pretty good since no other dealer was willing to go below sticker.
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    yes..I have been in 'd' status this whole time. I am really sick of it..But what can I do?
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    you have to go to D1 status. then you know its a firm go, but dont expect it to go right away even at D1. could take weeks. mine went D1 6/28 but did not get built until 7/20 (with ABS). hang in though, its WORTH the wait.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    in short, I got the liberty so I could give my 1993 altima to my daughter for college. now with 3 cars, my daughter parks the nissan on the street (for the next week). yesterday (2 days after I got the liberty), the garbage truck came real early (5 am) to beat the heat. I also leave for my train at that time. lo and behold, the truck hit my nissan. after the driver gave me the co's card to get a claim going, he said "what is that, one of those new jeeps?" my wife said thats why the altima got hit, he wasn't paying attention to the road, he was looking at my jeep. anyway, a neighbor saw it all & will act as a witness if I need one - $1300 estimate
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    I have a source in Minneapolis/St.Paul MN area...

    Offered me $100 above invoice...

    Went with a different brand- but that was a great deal!
  • TobyjugTobyjug Member Posts: 13
    Try MidPark Jeep in Dallas Contact Jim Geron (fleet Sales)972 231 6500. They sold to me at invoice last week and I'm guessing you could do a bit better that that now.

    David b
    00 TLC
    91 JCL
    02 JLL
  • justintxjustintx Member Posts: 21
    Just signed into the site. I currently have a 98 cherokee sport 2wd but will be selling it to my brother soon (adding another to the jeep family). Before that I had an 86 cherokee 4wd... i miss the 4wd. I'm pretty much sold on the liberty as MY next great jeep idea and am looking for the best hassle free deal. I noticed that some other people were looking for a place too. Can anyone reccomend a place near Houston?

    Also, I read one of the posts had some info on potential problems, does anyone have more info on those or a website that does.

    THANKS
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    Just found out my white ltmd. 4x4 27g, abs, moonroof and heated seat. will ship on 8/22/01. How long does it take for it to get to me from ship date. I live in Cincinnati, OH, so it shouldn't be too long. When it gets here it will be a little over 11 weeks from order date to me.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    you can get it yourself - they are made in toledo.
    I dont think it will even ship by rail from toledeo to cincy
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    it ships by truck..
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    has anyone gone to Camp Jeep any year, preferably this year, and has anyone seen any footage of the Liberty in this years?

    I also emailed Jeep and asked if they were going to have the crash test results anytime soon. There reply was "The Liberty meets or exceeds all government safety standards, thank you for your interest." What a line of crap.

    I found a site yesterday that a guy posted he had gone to Jeep 101 and gotten to see the testing of some Libertys. Some pretty good pictures in there, but for the life of me I can't find the site. I'm going to keep trying. I found it by searching the web for Jeep Liberty and the site was one of the results.

    Matt
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    Don't know- but maybe this was the site...


    http://www.curbsite.com/jeep101/jeep101.html

  • bjurickbjurick Member Posts: 15
    54texas. I don't know if we are supposed to give dealer info on this forum. Send me an email...see my last post to get the address, and I will give you all the details.
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    the website I was looking for was www.real-jeeps.com It's got some of the same stuff as the link hotcoffee gave me. I wanted to show you guys and girls a couple of the pictures on there, that I thought were pretty nice. I can do that right?
    I've been trying to put a picture up here but I'm having a little trouble, help please.

    Thanks for the link hotcoffee.

    Matt
  • geneseedepotgeneseedepot Member Posts: 30
    JeepsUnlimited.com has some pretty good images too - this link is to page 3 of a 4 page thread:

    3 PHOTOS OF RUSTY'S 2-INCH LIFT AND NOTES FROM CAMP JEEP

    J.P.
  • petersburg100petersburg100 Member Posts: 29
    Are ABSs still on hold, restricted until September 9, 2001? Any news?
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    Where did you here abs was still on hold...call DC and they will tell you hopefully the truth...
  • mad0865mad0865 Member Posts: 176
    Well, from the date the dealer called which was 8/2/01, the Liberty arrived 8/9/01 (7 day train/truck ride). Can't pick it up till probably Tuesday due to work constraints, but still excited nonetheless. Pics to follow.

    -mad
  • iggycatiggycat Member Posts: 25
    Last I heard ABS was restricted until August 13th. Of course, that is what the dealer said about a month ago. I don't know if that has changed.
    I certainly hope ABS isn't restricted until Sept. 9th... My Liberty has been on order for 5 weeks, and if ABS is restricted for another month, I'll be lucky to get the Liberty before Thanksgiving!
  • tonyfjrtonyfjr Member Posts: 18
    I hope ABS isn't delayed because mine is being shipped on 8/22. Let us know what you find out.
  • cheryl3038cheryl3038 Member Posts: 42
    I called this evening and I'm still at BX status....not even D yet, booohoooo! Maybe I will have to have my brother pull some strings. The lady couldn't give me an answer as to ABS being restricted. BX means available for schedule, and I did order ABS. My dealer called me the day after I ordered, which would have been August 1st, and said that ABS was not on restrictions anymore. This is all so confusing....but I'll just take it when it comes and be very happy I hope.
  • petersburg100petersburg100 Member Posts: 29
    A 5 star dealer in Washington DC area told me last week that ABS is on hold until September 9, 2001. I went to see another 5 star dealer today who told me that ABS could be on hold for another 6 months because of "supply problems". Sounds familiar, remember PT Cruiser? Some people waited for 12 months...
  • genghis721genghis721 Member Posts: 53
    I took a test drive today. Frankly I was expecting more zip from the Liberty especially considering the poor gas mileage. Passing on the highway is a scary event.

    The truck did seem solid and quiet on the road. I'll be looking at other models, however.
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  • rtpdriverrtpdriver Member Posts: 2
    My wife and I have test driven the Liberty and really like it. Does anyone have any experience with the Jeep dealers in the Raleigh-Durham NC area? Will they negotiate on the price and if so how close to invoice?
    Thank you in advance for your help. Our 1988 Cherokee was totalled in an accident and we are looking for a replacement. (By the way no injuries in the accident, we were at a stop light and got rear-ended.)
  • gsogymratgsogymrat Member Posts: 97
    I don't know about Raleigh but City Jeep In Greensboro gave me a good deal on my Jeep Cherokee. I pitted 5 dealerships against eachother and City Motors gave me the best price.
  • thodrinskythodrinsky Member Posts: 2
    I want to buy a Jeep Liberty at a good price. I am willing to travel to CT or MA. to purchase. Anyone have any suggestions? I want the lowest price with the best service.
  • rtpdriverrtpdriver Member Posts: 2
    To gsogymrat,
    Thanks for the info. I will be checking them. They don't have the website yet to check their inventory like some of the other dealers.
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    Has anyone noticed that there is practically no way to put anything back there or get it out for that matter. What a stupid idea, to put it in the door. This is the one thing that I really dislike about the Liberty. It won't stop me from buying it, I mean when am I going to sit in the back. But I also don't want anyone else to spill.

    Matt
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    Minor Design Flaw???

    Assuming a back seat passenger (usually a kid) does manage to put his grape juice can in the holder. He or she, as kids are apt to do, will not finish the juice beyond the first sip. Now, when you arrive at your destination, said child will kick door open swinging it to the hinge limits with juice in tow, splattering ground, Jeep and door. The kid, of coarse won't notice this, if he does, will not tell you, and proceed to slam closed til the door sounds like it hits the opposite coast causing all contents to fling about the cabin of your finely appointed new vehicle.

    This is when it becomes a major design flaw.
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    yeah that's true, but what if you carry friends (adults) in the back, then what do you do. Do you go out and get the little cupholders that hang off the window? I figure you'll be able to carry a bottle of water or a soda can in there and that's about it.

    Matt
  • vin_weaselvin_weasel Member Posts: 237
    "Eat or drink in my vehicle and I'll roll you out around a corner."

    as a message to passengers.

    After that, no one will worry about cupholders. As for kids, well they'll just have to drink out of spill-proof containers until they get their own vehicle. :)
  • mad0865mad0865 Member Posts: 176
    Our six yr old actually loves the in-door cupholder. Holds his water sport bottle perfectly, and it's easier to reach with the seatbelt on. Any other open type of container though, will probably end up either on the carpet mat or inside the door panel.

    -mad
  • basepro09basepro09 Member Posts: 91
    I think that DC tossed and turned over putting either the back window controls on the back of the console or the cup holders. I think that the cup holders would've been better on the console myself. Then they could've put the window controls on the door. But then they wouldn't have been uniform with the other controls, it's a vicious cycle. : )

    matt
  • rmk17rmk17 Member Posts: 16
    Well, as of Friday I joined all of you who are patiently or not-so-patiently waiting for your Libs! I ordered a Patriot Blue Limited with 27G, ABS, and Heated Seats! I got the truck for about $550 over the Edmunds.com invoice, $380 of the $550 being Advertising fees in the Chicago area. Now I must wait it out and hope the ABS is not on restriction. My salesman is getting the VON for me as soon as he gets it from DC. At that point I will start annoying the DC customer service reps.

    Test Drive Impressions:
    --Loved the quiet, smooth pickup
    --Seats were not uncomfortable (though I am only 5'9")
    --Heated Seats work well. My wife turned the passenger side on while I was driving, and when we switched I felt like my rear was on fire.
    --Not sure about the center window controls, it will be an adjustment

    One question:
    I know insurance is somewhat unpredictable, but what are people paying for their Libs? I'm 25 years old with a clean driving record (suburbs of Chicago)

    Can't wait to drive this truck in the Chicago winters!
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    no eating or drinking in the liberty unless you can eat it all in one bite or drink it all at once. but then again my kids are grown & in college so I probably will not be having back seat passengers. tough decision for those with young families. just be sure that all drinks are insulated & have secure lids.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    if you are monitoring these message rooms let us know if you ever solved the water leak coming inside the liberty front passenger foot area. I had mine out in the rain today - short trip but with some heavy bursts of rain. I made a point to look there when I got out and thankfully it was dry. (except for wet footprints of my daughters shoes on the floor mat.)
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    the owners manual says use PT 4wd only in snow etc., but you can use FT 4wd all the time. I understand the concept of the axles turning the same Vs independently. But why then did jeep design the transfer case shifter (selec-trac) with 2wd, then PT then FT. if it's safer to be in 2wd or FT 4wd why not put the FT before the PT so you dont have to shift through PT to get to FT?
  • cheryl3038cheryl3038 Member Posts: 42
    I'm also curious as to what everyone is paying for insurance. I have called my ins. co. twice and they didn't have the Liberty in the computer yet. Of course we are all in different states so it will probably differ. What they did for me (I'm in MI) is quoted me on a loaded 2001 Grand Cherokee. With a multicar discount they figured around $550 for 6 months. They said the amount would probably be lower for the Liberty since it is a less expensive vehicle. Of course I'm only 24, so I will continue to pay the higher premium for another year! Overall, I was plesantly surprised, cause I figured atleast $100 a month for insurance.
  • rvbrokerrvbroker Member Posts: 22
    Not exactly Raleigh but we just purchased ours in Winston-Salem at North Point Jeep. Huge selection of all Jeeps and we struck a super deal on the phone and we are 400 miles away in MD. Without a hassle, they gave me a price of $250 over invoice. I dealt with a nice guy, Mark Coplon (phone 336-759-0599 ot 800-552-2175) The Lib was ready when I arrived and there were no shell games. You can find them on the web www.nothpointcpj.com Good buying experience. Tell Mark that the Wards from Maryland sent you.
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    That is a great question!

    Unfortunately, I don't have the answer- I had Selec-Trac on my Grand Cherokee and always wondered that as well.

    Actuall, if there is no difference in mpg between fulltime 4 and 2wd, why have 2wd at all??

    I will await the answer with you.
  • vin_weaselvin_weasel Member Posts: 237
    My Cherokee Selec-trac has the same setup and I wondered the same thing. It's not very idiot-proof. At least you have to pull the lever over to the side to get it into Neutral or 4-Lo. Could you imagine someone trying to throw it (accidentally or not) into 4-Lo at 50 miles/hour? Ouch.

    I'm guessing that 2wd might be better for towing, but until there's a definitive anwer, I'm on that answer list, too.
  • genghis721genghis721 Member Posts: 53
    Jeep got it's terms screwed up from the normal 4wd terms for "part time" and "full time"

    Traditionally, "part time" meant that you should only use it part time. What Jeep means in the the Liberty is that transfer case engages "part of the time"... thus preventing lock-up. Stupid terming, I know. Their "full time" position actually locks the axles for offroad use. All this is opposite to the common terms for AWD and 4WD.

    I discovered this on a test drive, and you can too. Put the thing in PT (first position out of 2wd) and try to drive forward and turn the wheel. You will notice little resisitance to this since the axles don't lock. THen put it into FT (next position) and you will notice that the axles lock up and it is hard to turn.

    Kirk
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    I'd check that out.

    I believe (at least on the Grand Cherokee) the 2wd and FULL TIME 4wd shift positions are in GREEN lettering because they are okay to use on dry pavement. ALL other positions are YELLOW for use on loose surfaces only.

    I have been told this is the case...

    I'll ask this question in JGC section and get back.
  • vin_weaselvin_weasel Member Posts: 237
    I think you're wrong unless it's changed from the GC and Cherokee. Hotcoffee got it right.

    In Selec-trac the order of options is 2wd-Part Time 4x4 (High)-Full Time 4x4-Neutral-Part Time 4x4 (Low).

    2WD is two wheel (rear wheel) drive, Part Time 4x4 (High) has a locked centre differential that puts 50% of the power to the front and back and does not vary, Full Time 4x4 has on open centre differential which initially starts out as a 50/50% split and can change, Neutral is for towing the vehicle behind a motorhome and Part Time 4x4 Low is for real fun in heavy conditions.

    Part Time 4x4, which is yellow (for caution), can only be used on loose surfaces because when you turn a corner the front wheels travel farther than the back, causing binding along the drive line. Most likely the wheel will pull and the tires will hop if you use it on pavement. Do not do this for long periods of time or at all. Full Time 4x4, green, allows you to have all 4 wheels with power but allows for a transfer from front to rear so that you can take corners and use it at all times at any speed. If you crank the wheel all the way over and give it power you will get mild hopping (like Part Time) because it can't transfer enough to the back to keep minor binding from occuring. I was told by a tech not to worry about it. Part Time 4x4 in Low mode, yellow, gives approximately 4x the torque to the wheels to get you into or out of sticky situations. You can't go very fast, but you have tons of power. It also locks the centre like 4x4 Part Time High.

    In addition, the rear axle can be equipped with Trak-loc, which is a Limited Slip Differential. It will only let one wheel spin for a short amount of time before a clutch in the differential grabs and transfers power over to the non-spinning wheel.

    All this information is in the Owner's Manual, btw. Also take a look at the 4wd Systems Explained topic. There's a lot of info in there.
  • winbrowinbro Member Posts: 235
    to shift from 2wd to FT 4wd is Two stops on the lever. since the owners manual has specific instructions on how to shift (including hitting the accelerator pedal twice to engage), I am guessing it's best to shift from 2wd to PT, then wait 10 seconds or so until it engages, then go to FT rather than doing the double shift at once from 2wd.
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    Thanks for the info.


    I believe the issue is more in the difference the INSIDE and OUTSIDE tires rotate in a turn that causes the binding, not front/back, but nevertheless the info is right.


    See the lst couple of posts on the Grand Cherokee board for similar info.


    Or, as one suggested look at http://www.jeepunpaved.com


    or, god forbid- the dreaded owners manual.... of which I nad none.

  • vin_weaselvin_weasel Member Posts: 237
    I just shift straight back into Full Time, bypassing part time. My user manual says just to move the lever firmly to the desired location. I find the easiest way to shift into 4x4 mode is when the vehicle is "on the fly". I take my foot off the pedal, coast, shift and resume driving. The 4x4 kicks in immediately and off I go. To put it out, I repeat and do the opposite. However I usually get a good "clunk" of the lever (not the drivetrain) when it settles back into 2wd. If I'm at a standstill I would shift the 4x4 Lever to where I want it. Put the vehicle into reverse and then back into drive and it should engage.

    Getting into and out of 4-Lo is a little different. I usually start from 4x4 PT High or Full Time. You're supposed to coast at a few mph, put the tranny in neutral and while coasting, move the lever to the right and down past 4x4 Neutral and into 4-Lo. I usually get a small "bump" in the drive train when I do this. Sort of like putting a standard transmission into reverse from a stop. Taking it out is the same put reversed once again.

    Once again, most of this is from the owner's manual.
  • whitetekwhitetek Member Posts: 32
    I purchased my Liberty Sport 4X4 with my fingers crossed regarding insurance costs. Smart, probably not, but my wife and I just loved everything about the Liberty and it was the weekend and our insurance office(State Farm)was closed. I asked my salesman and he said from what he had heard, insurance for the Liberty was not too much more than you would pay for a new model year vehicle. I traded in a '99 Pontiac Grand Am GT for the Liberty and the difference in insurance was a little less than $10 per 6 months. I couldn't be more happier with the slight increase, and my salesman, who seemed to be honest and caring throughout the whole process, was very honest on that note too.
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