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What did this rollover prove? *W didn’t set out to prove anything; there was an accident under extreme conditions that don’t parallel those seen in daily driving. The incident demonstrates yet again that SUVs handle differently than do cars at the limits.
I cringe when I see someone in a SUV doing double lane changes on the highway. The vehicles were not meant to be driven like that. They're to high off the ground (center of gravity) with off road tires. If you drive carefully and don't make double lane changes at excessive speeds, you won't flip your SUV, regardless if it's a Liberty or an Explorer.
Accidents happen. My g/f flipped her Mountaineer ('97) when a deer jumped out onto the road. Instead of hitting it, she tried to avoid it and flipped it twice, shattering every single piece of glass and walking away with a few bumps and bruises. No frame damage, but a lot of scratches and dents, and no it wasn't totaled either.
Many of those who are not used to the performance characteristics of an SUV don't know the operational limits, just as they don't know what one is like off-road becasue they don; take them off-road. It's like a person buying the latest techno toy and not knowing how to use it properly.
I know that a few people think the Liberty to be "tippy" and this article shows that to be true.
Finally, I' disagree with Chrysler's assessment that "these types of manuevers never happen in the real world." I think the last few months in this world have shown that what we formerly thought was impossible, is actually possible. Now, before I get flamed for comparing an SUV to a horrible tragedy, my point is simply, we as people get wedded to notions and believe that they cannot change.
consumer reports are like vampires when they smell any SUV blood. extreme conditions or not.
I have lost all confidence (what little I had in them anyway) in CR. and that goes for appliance ratings etc... as well
Could someone tell me what exactly does "Your order is in D schedule" mean?
When I called DC last week to check on my Liberty. This is what I was told.
It will be 3wks tomorrow since I ordered, I was just wondering if it was in D schedule when do they usually start to build?
Also, Has anyone in MA. heard anymore about whether we will have a free sale's tax period?
I heard mention of the 1st & 2nd of Dec., but nothing definite.
Thanks!
A few weeks ago I called DC about my Liberty and at the time they told me it was D schedule. Menaing it is just waiting its turn to be built. Mine was also in that state for many many weeks. That was because of the hold on the sunroofs. You should call DC back and see if you can get an estimated timeframe as to when it will be built. When I asked they told me a week or two. They were right ... it was built within a week of me calling and was shipped a week later. Now I am just waiting around for my Liberty.
Hope you do get your liberty soon and that you do not have to wait as long as I have...week #11 (maybe 12).
Good Luck!!!
--gypsy--
Matt
Matt
--gypsy--
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Gypsy, no running lights standard on the liberty that I know of or have read. Your sticker would say so, and I have not seen anything in the manual.
DaniJeep, there have been an inordinate amount of Liberty's that pulled right, but upon alignment they have been fixed fine. Between shipping a bad set-up, and if the person who drove those 4700 miles did not fix it it only got worse, thne that could explain it. Also make sure that the pressure in your tires is 33PSI.
Gypsy....are you loving your Liberty as much as I am so far?
-mad
I wish I could say that I am enjoying every mile with my new liberty but I cannot. I am still waiting for my baby. Last week I spoke with DC and the rep. told me that it was shipped on Monday (Nov.19) but not to expect it until the first week in December. I am going to call my dealer today to see if he knows where exactly it is. I am getting too excited.
---gypsy--
Matt
Thanks,
Kat
Today I took it to get my aftermarket stereo equipment installed & the problem I am running into is that there is no Antenna adapter available for the Liberty yet. Tweeter said they don't know when there will be one since this is some new type of antenna & none of the adapters they have will work.
Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone know when Jeep might be providing one for aftermarket stereo stuff?
Lastly, does anyone know of any phone #'s for Jeep where I can inquire about this? I put a call into the salesman who sold me the car to see what I can find out -- but I've found the bunch on this messageboard to be more knowledgeable about these things than most salespeople.
Thanks in advance..
_
Paula
From what I learned there doesn't seem to be any "standard tire cover" included with the Liberty. At least not with the Sports (don't know about the Limited......). You can choose to order one of 3 different kinds from Jeep, though, but you pay for that extra.
That's all I know from my experience....
_Paula
--gypsy--
http://www.autoweek.com/
The Lib's track is too narrow for its height and centre of gravity. DC would have to widen the track, maybe put wider tires on it.
Some suspension engineering may help, but I figure DC did all they could considering the 6 or 8" of travel it has.
Just don't expect the Liberty to drive like a Car.
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/45992/article.html
It's interesting to note from the responses here so far, nobody seems to be outraged. I guess if it happens again with CR, and they condemn the vehicle, we'll hear from some pretty upset owners.
Bob
Liberty sport 4WD. Want suggestions from owners
who have already installed ski racks(roof top
or spare tire mount) If roof top, have you installed any fairings to reduce drag.
3pair skis or 1-2 snowboards is fine.
Thanks
So...
I ordered a 2WD Liberty (I live in Florida), Patriot Blue, Limited, G package with tow group, abs, sunroof, 6-cd changer, back in early October and I picked it up yesterday. Great truck! I have been tracking this baby since day one, through build, via rail, right to the dealer. In fact I called my sales rep. yesterday morning and left him a message that I noticed the Liberty had been delivered. He called back and said at first he didn't think any Libs came in, but he walked on the lot and there it was.
I got a great deal with DC friends and family... sticker was $26,095 I paid $24,488 and got the 7/100k deal. I will send some pics soon.
Thank you for all of your great comments and advice. This is what the 'net is about.
Congratulations on your new Liberty and it's great to see you venturing out from the shadows! We expect to hear all about your experiences with your new vehicle!
tidester
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Any advice is Very much appreciated. As those of you who've ordered one know, the wait is paaainful. The only thing that keeps it manageable is this column, as well as other Liberty news/reviews.
Believe me, I'd *much* rather have the Liberty without a tire-cover than no Liberty at all.
I am bummed about the spare tire cover, I thought that the bare spare made the KJ sort of distinctive from behind, sort of a YJ look.
Jim the lurker, congrats and good luck as well! Drive well and have fun.
Eric
-mad
I will keep you posted.
-gypsy-
Bob
http://www.detnews.com/2001/autos/0111/29/-354918.htm
This reminds me of a time in high school when a copy of a test was floating around before the test was given. The majority of students got an "A" on test...
First, the article about the rollover is slightly misleading: the drivers drove the car like a race car and had it on uneven pavement. Anyone with half a brain known an SUV is not a race car (even the BMW and high end ones shouldn't be driven like one) and that track is notorious for inconsistent pavement.
Second, the damage from the "bumper test" on the Liberty was higher for the rear tests, which are the "flat wall" and "pole" tests. It is true that vehicles with spare tires mounted in the back will almost universally fail these tests. (Note: they did not test the Toyota Rav or Honda CRV which also have the same spare tire set up.) If you are silly enough to back into a wall high enough to be seen through the back window or into a pole that will crash the spare tire into the rear door, you should expect to pay a lot to fix it. This is the same problem they had with the Wrangler the last time it was tested. If you go to the Insurance institute site, the worst performer in the "small" utility vehicles (including the Ford Escape, Honda CRV and Toyota RAV) the worst performer was the Toyota, with higher total repair costs than the Liberty. (This after the 2001 re-design.) In the mid-size class, the Buick Rendezvous did equally poorly on its average repair costs as the Liberty. The worst performer in the past 2 years by far is the Montero, but because the Liberty is new, it's drawing the headlines. Don't be fooled: it's a great SUV: it just isn't a car!
I think she covers this issue quite nicely. Still, I would prefer that these minor accidents cost less to fix - it would sure help lower insurance rates for the Liberty.