Mazda Protege5

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  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I have to make sure I keep my hand on the doors while shutting them on my wife's P5 more so than on my Protege sedan.

    Of course, one difference is my '99 has a manual lever to adjust the amount of fresh air versus recirculated air entering the cabin instead of an electronically-actuated vent. It might be less restrictive.

    If you garage your P5, try cracking one of the windows a little bit. It makes shutting doors much easier.
  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    "...tons of squeaks & rattles"


    So in your opinion, the P5 is just about the worst vehicle you have ever been in as far as squeaks and rattles are concerned? Which vehicles in specific have you found to be better, and what is your long term experience with each of these cars?

  • mnkyboymnkyboy Member Posts: 108
    What exactly is the clutch chatter that everyone is talking about (here and on other boards). The only time I really have a problem with the clutch is when Im backing up during cold weather. The cars tends to "hop" along. Is this clutch chatter? I also get a hop when I leave the car in driving in 1st gear, then let the gas off, then press the gas again. I think thats normal, correct me if im wrong.

    I am bringing my P5 into the dealership for the 1st time (car is about 1yr2mths old). I have a squeaking problem when I turn the steering wheel clockwise. It also has a knocking sound when the steering wheel is turned clockwise, then released. This sound tends to be alot louder when Im making a U-turn. Anyone have any ideas about this? Im hoping the dealer figures out what it is.
  • toddp_5toddp_5 Member Posts: 17
    Here's my update on my P5. I've had it for about 15 months now. Just went over 14,000 miles. The car is an automatic (red with the polished wheels) and I have averaged right at 30mpg over the entire time I've had the car (yep, I've tracked every tank of gas so far). My driving is probably about 80 percent highway, and I don't drive it very hard.

    I have had absolutely zero maintenance done other than the normal scheduled maintenance (i.e., oil changes). And when I say zero problems, I mean zero...not one single switch that doesn't work or one single thing go wrong. I have been very very pleased with the quality of this car, and I still like the way it drives/handles, and still love the looks of the car.

    I guess my biggest complaint is the normal one -- I wish it had more power. But, in all honesty, I knew the power it had when I bought it. If you are looking for a fast car, don't buy it. If you want a great looking car that doesn't look like everything else on the road, gets good gas mileage, and has been very reliable (for me, knock on wood), then this is the car. I bought it looking for a sporty, reliable car to drive back and forth to work -- no complaints, as that is what I got.
  • altersysaltersys Member Posts: 56
    My wife and I have had our P5 since August. It's got 10,500 miles on it and had one squeak- the interior plastic moulding for the hatch. Took it to the dealership, they replaced a single loose clip and the squeak is gone. Other than that our interior is squeak free and is a surprisingly quiet car for its class IMO. Basically what I'm saying is your mileage may vary. Maybe you got a Friday afternoon car.

    -Alt
  • pciskowskipciskowski Member Posts: 155
    I have had long-term experience with the following cars, and none of them came close to the number of squeaks & rattles:

    85 Monte Carlo (super quiet, although my memory is fading on that one!)
    86 Volvo 740 (no squeaks, but tons of other problems! This is the worst car I have ever owned.)
    93 Civic hatchback (drove it for 8 years, one dash rattle that I fixed. Other than that, great car.)
    93 Civic sedan (wife's car, no squeaks in 5 years)
    96 Honda Accord (2nd wife's car, quiet as a library, not counting road noise)
    99 Camry (close to as many squeaks, but still fewer. What an overrated car. I only kept it 4 painful months.)
    01 Honda Accord (2nd wife's current car, couple of minor squeaks but not mine so I don't care)

    The only thing I've heard that squeaked more was a cargo van full of mice. Just kidding.

    I would say there are at least 5-6 rattles or squeaks at once on anything but the smoothest roads, and there aren't many of those in Memphis. I currently have the ashtray removed because it squeaked so bad.

    Don't get me wrong. I like this car with the exception of the two problems I listed. I just won't repeat the experience.

    As far as the clutch chatter, this is a hopping sensation like it is in a bind. It only happens starting out in first, and it has only started since it began getting cold. I don't consider that "normal" behavior, especially since there is a TSB about it.
  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    It should be about 18 degrees tomorrow morning, so I'll head out to work and monitor the squeaks and rattles from my car. Maybe they are there and I just don't notice them. I'll follow up with a report by Tuesday.
  • cbmortoncbmorton Member Posts: 252
    I've had my P5 since February and so far I've only had one squeak or rattle, which was in the radio. New radio was installed in June and since then the car is very tight. No complaints on the squeak or rattle front here. My '96 Civic was a terrible rattletrap so I'm pleased that the P5 is such a solid car. Sure gives a better feeling of quality.
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    2002 Protegé5, 5 spd. no options, silver

    Purchased Sept. 1, 2001 for a bit less then sticker.

    Total miles to date: right around 28,000

    Current MPG: 27-32 in mixed driving

    Maintenance to date: Just regular oil changes and required services done at my trusty independent mechanic. The nearest Mazda dealership is almost 2 hours away.

    Mods: None really, Weathertech front mats for winter, XSPORT box for the roof when I need the extra room. I run a set of 15" steelies with 195/55-15 Michelin Arctic Alpins in the winter and it's fabulous in the snow.

    Only one noise, a cold weather rattle in the pass.-side door. Other then that, the car has been perfect, not one single problem.

    Pros: Handling, handling, handling, looks, cargo capacity, reliability

    Cons: Could use another 20 HP, but it's steers, shifts, and handles so great that I really don't miss the ponies that much at all.
  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    Ok I drove my 43 miles to work today with no radio and the fan at it's lowest setting. after about 30 miles I could here a faint noise coming from the driver side B pillar. I kind of had to put my ear right up to it to here it, but after a couple of miles I couldn't here it any more. Other than that I heard nothing else. After 34K miles the car still seems very tight.

    pciskowski,

    Did you ever have the door panels pulled off and other stuff taken apart while you were searching for the offending culprit? I'm wondering if you made your situation worse by disassembling things. From my experience with other cars, once you start taking things apart, they never fit together tight again (especially those stupid door panel clips).
  • waydewayde Member Posts: 198
    Have had my P5 since November of last year. 18,000 miles. No squeaks or rattles at all - and I'm very sensitive to hearing any/all noises a car makes. No problems at all. Just regular oil changes and tire rotations at my local (great) Mazda dealer here in Minneapolis (Morries). Can't believe how well put together this car is - especially for the price! The G35 coupe I test drove and little squeaks the whole test drive - I was blunt with the salesman and told him this was unacceptable in a 34K$ car.
    MPG varies... I'm an aggressive fast driver. Usually in low 20's for city... 28-31 for freeway (80mph).
    Mods: tinted windows and magnetic bra.
    Only reason I'm lookin at other cars is that I'd like something bigger with more power and more amenities (heated seats and stuff). Haven't found anything that I've fallen in "love" with yet (that is under 30k... love the IS300 but a little too much for what it is - at 28k would be great).
    Wayde
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    This past weekend car and driver television did the long term test results on the P5 and they had nothing but positive things to say about the car...
  • pciskowskipciskowski Member Posts: 155
    No, I am intentionally avoiding taking the doors apart, removing trim, etc. to avoid getting more. All I have done so far is push in a couple of trim pieces on the dash that came loose, remove the ashtray, and have the dealer replace the passenger seat (which fixed that problem, I must say). Most of the noise seems to come from the dash, console (the storage compartment is empty, FYI), and the power window switch on the rear passenger door.

    I'm chalking it up to crappy streets in Memphis and the stiff suspension (34 lbs pressure in the tire, by the way). I did not notice these problems the first 3-4 months, and they seem to be getting worse, so I think the roads are just shaking everything loose. I can't imagine what else it could be since nobody else seems to have these problems.
  • unbeunbe Member Posts: 1
    I'm about to purchase a mazda p5 for $100 below invoice without ABS, or I can pay actual retail price if I have a car ordered with ABS.What should I do??
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
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  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    you have to decide the dollar value of the ABS. You might want to shop around to see if you can find an ABS equipped P5 on another dealer's lot for a better price. Outside of the dollar value I would say if you live in an area where you don't see much snow or ice, I'd skip the ABS. I live in the snow belt and would not own a car without it.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    get winter tires and rims. You can get them for about $400 all together. ABS works great for maintaining control when traction is limited, but it doesn't add any traction. Winter tires add a whole bunch of traction, even on ice. Then, all you will have to worry about is people crashing into you.
  • reitrofreitrof Member Posts: 122
    Has anybody put a hitch on their P5? I have seen 2 makers so far, Hidden Hitch and Draw Tite.

    I would like to tow a small utility trailer.

    Any info/experience would be great.

    Thanks.
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    the hidden hitch. I had someone install it so can't tell you how easy that is. I'd have to check back for cost, can't remember right now.

    I think it's barely noticable, expecially with the black cover on my dark blue car.

    I use it for a bike rack and not towing so I can't give you any experience on the towing side or wiring for lights since I didn't get that done either.

    Huh, so why did I even reply since it doesn't look like I actually give you any help?
  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    I won't disagree with newcar31. An extra set of snow tires and wheels might be as valuable as ABS. I went with both options (snow tires and ABS) to cover all the bases.
  • altersysaltersys Member Posts: 56
    The trick to removing and reinstalling door panels without getting bad fitment is to NEVER reuse the panel clips. Always order a set of new clips (or have some lying around) if you plan on removing the panels for whatever reason, be it to fix a rattle or replace a speaker.

    -Alt
  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    WooHoo! I'm the first post of the new year. ;)
  • mnkyboymnkyboy Member Posts: 108
    WooHoo! I'm the SECOND post of the new year. ;)

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  • iamziamz Member Posts: 542
    I'll admit,...your greeting is cooler. ;)
  • reitrofreitrof Member Posts: 122
    Meinrad

    Thanks for the response. Evry little bit helps. Nice to know it is not very noticeable.

    Anybody Else? Wiring info would be great as well.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    were all over the place in Germany. Mostly VW polos though.

    Never seen one in the states.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Richmond got several of them, and I still see them from time to time.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Add another make to the list following in the theme Mazda introduced!


    http://www.edmunds.com/media/adunit/chrysler/pacifica/spotlight/p_exterior.html?id=lin9153


    Meade

  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Sure looks a lot more P5-ish than I last recall. Of course, I thought the previous concept looked too tall. :)
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
  • mudflatmudflat Member Posts: 47
    I notice that it has....

    Memorized settings:
    memorized settings for 1 driver
    memorized settings includes driver seat
    memorized includes rear view mirror
    memorized settings includes exterior mirror

    WOW!
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    For those interested in discussing the Pacifica, please continue in our Chrysler Pacifica discussion. Further off topic messages will be subject to deletion.


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    Revka

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  • ppk_ppkppk_ppk Member Posts: 19
    read the preview of the auto show... almost everyone (except honda) seems to hav a sports wagon lined up... even bmw has one in the lines!!! hats off to mazda for having started this up... :D
  • capn_krotchcapn_krotch Member Posts: 9
    would installing xenon or other HID bulbs for the headlights void the warranty or anything? thanks alot guys.
  • altersysaltersys Member Posts: 56
    you are talking about...

    If your headlight switch cluster dies... I doubt you'll qualify for warranty replacement (if the dealer knows about the HIDs that is)... if your rear shock blows out, no they wouldn't be able to void your warranty due to your HIDs. There's actually laws against that (doesn't stop some dealers from trying to screw you tho).

    -Alt
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Don't be so quick to attack the dealer. All warranty work must be approved by Mazda prior to the work happening. So if Mazda declines to pay the warranty claim, what is the dealer to do?

    This is just like your HMO...if the insurance company won't pay for a procedure then the doctor can't do it for free....auto warranty claims has become just like health insurance, leaving the dealer in the middle to deal with the unhappy customer.
  • subyaudidudesubyaudidude Member Posts: 136
    Under the Magnuson-Moss Act (or is it Moss-Magnuson Act?), the manufacturer has to prove that the damage to the car was caused by the aftermarket part in order to get it out from under warranty coverage. Obviously, that's a lot easier to do if it's a blown headlight cluster as oppossed to a rear shock.

    As for what a dealer should do if Mazda doesn't approve - I think the dealer should fight for the customer (assuming the dealer believes that it should be a warranty repair). Thus, if capn_krotch decides to replace the standard bulbs with HID bulbs and his a/c goes out and Mazda says "nope, not under warranty because of the bulbs," I'd want (and expect) my dealer to fight for me.

    FWIW - I don't believe that one can just replace the normal bulbs with HID lights. IIRC, xenon lights require an entirely new encasement, and to my knowledge (which, admittedly, is rather limited) no such "upgrade" exists.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    fight for you and then what? I got no problem with the extra effort for the customer and Mazda has a warranty appeals process but if the dealer loses then the consumer loses...

    This year alone we have had a few issues where outside companies did damage to customer cars and then they tried to make a warranty claim. But they were very clear cut.

    1. a quick lube biz put too much oil in a 2002 F-150 and it caused engine damage. They wrote a check to the customer for a new engine.

    2. a large electronics department store installed a remote starter on a vehicle and it blew out a bunch of electronics on the car. They paid for the $1800 service bill to repair the problem.

    These were very clear cases. The real problem stems from what seems to be an unrelated problem. But, often what may seem unrelated is very much related when you look at the eletrical path to the item....we have some cars that tie turn signals, wipers and heater to the same fuses. odd huh.
  • capn_krotchcapn_krotch Member Posts: 9
    you can just replace the bulbs for a fraction of the cost and get an HID-like effect which i gather isn't much different from a true HID system. most of these do use xenon gas inside the bulb. a true HID system (they're pricey, no less than $500) comes with new wiring and casing and stuff in addition to new bulbs.

    what about a performance engine control chip? i know for a fact that installing one does void the warranty but does the dealer know that one of these was once installed even if i take it out when i take it to the dealer?

    how 'bout a performance intake? i cant imagine this having any effect on the warranty.

    thx -alex
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    you can just replace the bulbs for a fraction of the cost and get an HID-like effect which i gather isn't much different from a true HID system.

    Ever driven a car with HID lighting? No comparison, not even close.

    how 'bout a performance intake? i cant imagine this having any effect on the warranty.

    When your check engine light comes on and it turns out you have an emission problem, your shiny chrome/bright red cold air intake will give them cause to not want to fix it under warranty. There is a reason that it takes many engineers many hours to design engine management systems. It takes Joe Tuner about 20 hours to design an intake that fits and shows some top end dyno improvement.
  • altersysaltersys Member Posts: 56
    I wasn't attacking anyone.

    I was simply stating the possiblity of an occurrence. And a possiblity that does actually exist in reality. it does happen to some people unfairly. In most cases I feel that the refusal of service is warranted (lol)... but like I said, there are some cases where it's just a horror story.

    -Alt
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I had the PIAA super white HID "style" headlight bulbs in my 2001 Protege ES. Despite following the necessary precautions when installing them, one of them burnt out after 6 months. I thought they looked cool, (they didn't look blue), but they're too spendy and not worth it IMO.

    My parent's I35 has real HIDs and they are far better than any HID lookalike bulbs you could buy.
  • nwngnwng Member Posts: 663
    I had those "super bright" bulbs on my accord, but it's no comparison to my old man's real HID on his rx300
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    I hope you got your bulb replaced under PIAA's lifetime warranty. I got PIAA Xtreme Super White bulbs for my dad's Suburban. They were a great deal better than the stock Silvanias that came on it. Still, they are not up to par with HIDs.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I didn't mess with the warranty. Wasn't worth it to me. I took both bulbs out and tossed them, then re-installed the stock bulbs (good thing I kept them). I won't buy those kind of bulbs ever again.....and I'm not the only one that I know who has had a PIAA bulb burn out prematurely.
  • upsdudeupsdude Member Posts: 7
    As my P5 approaches 19,000 miles, I just wanted to
  • upsdudeupsdude Member Posts: 7
    As my P5 approaches 19,000 miles, I just wanted to share a little of my experience. When I first drove the car off the lot it had a small rattle. I took it to the dealer several times all to no avail. Well I just figured I was going to have to live with it. Yesterday, when my friend and I finished upgrading my speakers and head unit, we took a trip to store and guess what? He found the rattle. It was my inside dome light. Don't ask me why but I never could locate it. I will be taking the car in tomorrow for regular scheduled maintenance. I will not leave that place until it is fixed. As far as taking off the door panels and pulling out the head unit, all were done with great care and time. No squeaks, no rattles, no loose panels, but the upgrade in sound quality is unbelievable. I've had no problems with the car as of yet. The only upgrades I have made are the sound system, rear bumper guard, moonroof wind deflector,floor and cargo mats. I still as much fun driving it now as I did the first day I got it. The lack of power never bothered me because I bought the car for the fun factor not the power factor. I have faithfully waxed it every other month and is still looks like I just drove it off the lot. I have been reading this forum for quite a while now, and I have gotten some really good advice and tips here. The only advice I can give is definitely upgrade the sound system. You don't have to spend a lot , just choose wisely. It cost me right around the three hundred dollar mark. And lastly, do a little research as to the products used to maintain and beautify the exterior and interior. There is a difference! I hope this helps someone. Drive safe and happy motoring
  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    Yah, those are the two pictures I have seen on the net for some time now.

    from the front door back and the windows down, the silver car looks very much the same (might even be the same). The rest of the car looks quite different.

    The blue car doesn't really look right at all.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Ick.

    I don't care much about that D-pillar on the silver version though. I'd have to see it in person to be sure.
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