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Mazda Protege5



  • little9little9 Posts: 30
    Thanks for the feedback.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    to check my gas mileage. 80/20 city/highway and I (and my wife) got 29.5 mpg.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    Since this IS a Pro5 forum, I figure there'll be more responses/reactions here regarding this sport wagon comparo done by Motor Trend in its latest issue. Anyone that read it has any comments?
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I brought my 10 month old P5 to 15 kmiles service this morning: oil change, oil and air filters change, tires rotations (2th time), tire, break wear evenly, battery is OK. Everything is OK.

  • I thought it was a fair evaluation of the three vehicles. The P5 suffers from a lack of power but is otherwise a great value. Nothing new there. The WRX is a tiger and the Matrix is an attractive-right-now boyracer wagon that offers all the benefits and detriments of the Celica GTS drivetrain (a wheezy but powerful engine mated to a mushy 6-speed gearbox).

    I appreciated the fact that the P5 was the only car of the three that doesn't require premium fuel. For the amount of mileage I drive a year, the difference between regular and premium fuel is a car payment (about $400).

    And I think the P5 is the most handsome (and conservative) of the three.

    Also, a heavily-optioned P5 runs about $5,000 less than the WRX, sips regular gas and has lower projected maintenance costs. It's clearly the value "winner." That said, I'd buy the WRX wagon in a heartbeat if I could afford one. :-)

  • bjewettbjewett Posts: 62
    I also thought it was ok. Of course it wasn't a "fair fight", but as pointed out, the mazda costs a whole lot less. And I can agree with them that if the P5 had another 20-40 hp (or even just 10) it would be that much more desireable.

    Also, the may issue of road and track reviews sport wagons. The P5 isn't a part of the regular comparo but a sidebox talks about the under $20k alternatives and calls the P5 the best in that price range, and says the rear-seat room and comfort exceeds the WRX.

    The WRX is an impressive car but if you read the WRX boards you get the impression people are getting less than Epa mileage. Picture long trips at 20-25 mpg of premium gas (prices expected to rise this summer) for a car costing $6-7k more than the P5. Still, if you can live with the cost difference and the turbo lag (some say you have to stay above 3000 rpm, some say 4000 rpm) it is apparently a ball to drive. I'm going to test drive the P5, WRX and some other cars.
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    Yeah, the gas mileage takes a beating when you're mostly stop and go and hitting the turbo boost continually (around 3k). I have 13.5k miles on my wagon and the worst mileage I've gotten is 15.6 (all city, all boy-racer takeoffs...couldn't help myself, LOL). The best is mostly freeway at about 70mph avg; 24.7mpg. Having said all this, would I get rid of the WRX for better way in Hades! :-)

  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    I stopped by my dealership for my first oilchange and they actually had one of these in stock. I brought it home and was going to install it when I realized that it's held on with double-sided sticky tape. I was wondering if I should bother sealing the edges with a little silicon or something. I just don't want dirt and grit getting under there over time and wearing out the paint on the top of the bumper.

    Does anyone think it's worth bothering with to seal the edges?
  • seamus53seamus53 Posts: 13
    I also read the Motor Trend article and thought it was pretty fair. There really isn't a bad wagon in the bunch. I was surprised to see the WRX (even with its 17" wheel/tire upgrade)and its AWD traction finish behind (if only slightly)in the handling tests.

    On the other hand, I wish they had tested the Outback Sport or TS Wagon instead of the WRX. Either of those two would have made a more comparable and interesting price/performance choice when testing against the P5 and Matrix. Seems that with the Subarus, the WRX steals all the attention from the OBS and TS, which are fine cars in their own right.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    If you are worried about damaging the paint on your bumper, I don't think I'd put one of these guards on the car -- when are you ever going to look under the guard again? The double-sided tape is quite strong, and might possibly damage the paint in the long run more than trapped grit.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    If you put that bumper guard on, forget about taking it off. After years of having it on, the adhesive will destroy the paint underneath. I think the bumper guard is a "permanent" mod.
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    I find it funny and a bit uninformatively random that the testers chose to get the 17"BBS wheels from the dealer and not also get the 20mm rearsway bar from the WRX sedan (a measly $87)to replace the inadequate (IMHO)17mm std rearsway bar. With this change you would have seen a higher slalom speed. I have both the 17"tire/wheels (albeit, not the overpriced BBS ones) and the sedan's 20mm rear sway and I can tell you it transforms the WRX wagon. It's easily the biggest bang for the buck!

    On a similiar note, the WRX is designed w/a large amount of suspension travel due to its rallying pedigree. This tends to hamper the slalom speeds. Not to whimper or make excuses for the WRX but slalom speed is only one small part of the handling picture. Mind you, the slalom course is on smooth tarmac. Put all three vehicles as tested on less then smooth rodes (can you say "real world")and you will see the WRX well on top. :-)

  • pciskowskipciskowski Posts: 155
    They were really politically correct. I think they referred to the styling of the Matrix as "quirky" or something like that instead of "butt ugly".

    They also made it seem like the Protege5 is only available in yellow.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    in case anyone missed my tirade on the Protege sedan board...

    the_big_h "Mazda Protegé" Apr 8, 2002 10:24pm
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Are those stock Dunlop tires unidirectional? If yes what is the easiest way to check if they are mounted in the right direction?


  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    All unidirectional tires have some sort of marking on the sidewall showing the correct direction of rotation. For tires that have an "outside" and an "inside" mounting surface, the sidewall will indicate which side faces outward.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Actually I don't see any marking on the side wall after a quick look this morning, however the tire grooves are sort of oblique, i.e., they are designed such that the water should enter from one side and exit to other. I wonder if it's matter to correlate each of those sides with the inside/outside. I know the answer from most pedestrians, but still want to get a second opinion from drivers. ;-)

  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    Re: Motortrend article. And for once, the WRX wasn't described as having the looks only a mother could love! LOL!

    It seems I always see the P5 tested in the yellow color and any WRX tested in the Rally Blue. Like you said, it's as if no other colors exist.

  • douglamdouglam Posts: 67
    For the Dunlop SP 5000's, there are 2 thread patterns -- Asymmetric and Symmetric:

  • deputy3deputy3 Posts: 1
    I recently purchased a blue P5 with an automatic (used), and I love it. I noticed that many of you are looking for performance upgrades as I am. I came across a pretty good site and thought you might be interested.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I put one on my wife's Pure White Protege5 about a month ago. Yes, that tape is quite strong; it's a permanent addition to the car. The way it's made, the edges curve slightly to form a pretty good seal -- not perfect, but pretty good -- around the edges. We installed it to keep the baby stroller from scratching the white bumper when we're putting it in and taking it out of the hatch. If you want to see some pics of it, I've got several from up close and far away in the Photos section in the Yahoo! mazdaprotege group. (There's a link to the group in the next post.)

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    For more information, go to:


    (And yes, I WILL be counting down to it each and every day.)

  • bjewettbjewett Posts: 62
    Re: motor trend - isn't it interesting that the P5, "despite" the yellow color, ended up on the cover rather than the WRX and Matrix?

    Perhaps we can blame mazda for the yellow everywhere. When a magazine solicits a car - does Mazda ever hand them a blue P5? Yellow stands out, but isn't for me.

    Re: performance upgrades: I gather we don't know yet whether a turbo kit will ever be offered for dealer installation? The 'performance options' now look like suspension and visual options only.
    Does the muffler buy you anything in performance without ECU modifications?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    As far as I know, changing just the exhaust will make you some gains. Probably not very much, but some.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    this guy here put one on his P5 and he loves it. He's got pics of them too, take a look!
  • mnkyboymnkyboy Posts: 108
    Yellow may not be "your thing", but it catches more peoples attention than a plain colored car (like blue). I own a Vivid Yellow, and it truly is an attention getter. So why wouldnt Mazda advertise this one, versus a blue/black/white/red/silver one? Toyota advertises its Blue/Silver color most of the time, since its different.

    One word, Marketing.
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    I just gave up and put it on. As usual I was over thinking the decision. (GRIN)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Will you please explain to me then, why Dodge INSISTS on advertising EVERY FREAKIN' CAR IT SELLS in RED? Man, that's starting to get on my nerves!


  • cdnp5cdnp5 Posts: 163
    I only glanced at the MT article about the P5/Matrix/WRX but I thought the the WRX would win. I guess when you factor in money it does change things. I also agree that they should have used the Matrix XR and the Subaru TS as these are very close to the same price as the P5 (and close to the same HP). I know that in Canada the WRX cost $35,000 which is $15,000 more than a P5, I think the XRS is about $26,000 which is $6,000 more than the P5. Considering this the P5 did exeptionally well. I imagine if I had a lot more money I would be driving a WRX right now but since I don't the P5 is the best for my money. On a side note, the sun is finally shining here in London Ontario Canada and the temp is about 15C which means that I can finally take off my snow tires. A couple of days ago I parked my silver P5 in front of my house and come outside to find a blue P5 parked in front of it. I go to my indoor beach vollyball game and come out to find a yellow P5 park a couple of cars away. Somedays you don't see any, other days they are everywhere.
    11,000 km and loving every one of them.
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    I think the WRX would have been closer in price had they not added the $3000 wheel upgrade. An upgrade I may add that you could do for far cheaper on your own. (GRIN)

    I think your right though if they would have done the comparo as a sport-for-the-money comparo they would have chosen the P5, XR, and the Subi TS wagon. In that comparison I think the P5 would have won hands down.

    Has anyone found a place that actually dyno-tested a catback on 2.0 liter engine either in a Protege or Protege5? I would like to know what a $350 cat-back will do for me.
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