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Can you tell me where you were able to review the pricing? I still can not find it online!!!
Well, that would change everything. I never read anything of sorts.... But have no way to disprove what you said here...
30k sounds great. Then you realize to get something as basic as xenon lights you must jump up with a 4k package. Whoa, 34k for a car that's got less than 210 hp?! Suddenly the G35 and TL seem like much better deals.
Same with the IS350. 35-36k sounds great. Then you see you must add 3-4k in packages for the xenons. Ouch. Suddenly it's a 40k car.
"...A pair of engines?
Yes indeed. This Lexus is now available as an IS 250 and an IS 350, the former expected to make up 40 percent of the volume in rear-drive and all-wheel-drive form..."
I think they realized the 250 was now largely an also-ran, so they put the marketing and manufacturing money where the motor was. Makes sense when you realize all the press has been focused on the 350 and the 250 is mentioned mostly as a sidebar. Can't ell whether the tail wagged the dog there or not.
With 60% of sales projected to come from the 350, not only do I think supply will be rather adequate, and therefore pricing reasonable in practice, but I also think the 250 will be fairly difficult to find in base trim, easy to deal on in packages, and that the 350 will most certainly eat into both GS and (to a lesser extent) ES sales. Matter of fact, if anyone here has been drooling over a GS, I'd think about January or so will be a great time to to deal.
From visiting various Lexus dealers in the Chicago area, my gut impression is that McGrath and Woodfield are the two best. Thanks for the Costco reference; I didn't know they give $2,500 off the top.
With $3,000 off sticker for a GS, and with the new IS going for sticker for a long, long time, you got the GS for almost what an IS350 would cost. And it's a far more luxurious car. Lexus has cut some corners with the IS; it's not just a baby GS. For example, I noticed that the IS has conventional hinges on the trunk; the GS, I believe, has struts outside the trunk. And so on. Plus the IS back seat is a torture chamber, while the GS back seat, though small compared to other mid-size cars, is inhabitable.
How is Lexus in this regard?
I'm guessing that the only way to get a 250 stripper with the right color combination will be to order it. Every one of the high-dollar options is likely to be on every IS in Maricopa county, if I'm not mistaken.
1) If you are leasing the car who cares if you get it for MSRP or for $1000 less. The difference in the lease payment would probably be about $30 (or a tank of gas) We are talking about a 30+K car and not a Yugo. If 30 bucks is going to break the bank then you really should reconsider the whole thing.
2) Do you really think that just because the diffference in price between the 250AWD and 350 base is only about 1K (Gee, another 30 bucks) that people wll switch to the 350? Personally the AWD is the draw for me. Now, if I lived in the sun belt......
3)I don't understand why people are bit**ing so much about the back seat. If you want a big back seat, buy a big car.
Don't take it personally, just my 2 cents, IMHO
I totally agree w/ point 2 though, and somewhat about 3 (although I don't care about the back seat size, I think it is a valid issue).
PS: Don't complain about the image quality if you think it sucks... it is a phone!
PPS: Backseat... not too shabby. I am 5'10.5" and you know what? The back seat was fine for me with the seat set at what I am comfortable with in the front. No I am not a stringbean, I am a very well built kid. If somebody is uncomfortable in my backseat I couldn't care less :P. I am not movin the seat up! It looks like the backseat is a little more cramped than my 04' Corolla but I somewhat expected that. I love the leather though; very soft. Also, the armrests built into the door are superb. Bottom line: People 6' and under should definitely be fine in the back. Those who say only small infants can fit in the back are blowing it WAY out of proportion. If a 5'10ish muscle bound 19 year old can fit in the back then most anyone under 6' can fit back there in comfort (unless a basketball player is sitting up front).
PPPS:
This is definitely the colour for me:
I live in SW Connecticut. No snow for the test drive!
wonder what the difference in insurance rates would be between the 250AWD and 350.
17inch: 500?
Heated/ventilated/perforated seats : 300
Memory for seats, mirrors, and wheel : 200
Auto-dimming outside mirrors with tilt-down: 150
Illuminated aluminum scuff plates: 50
Wood trim: 250
AFS/HID: 600
Rain-sensing wipers: 250
Power tilt/telescope wheel: 200
Power rear sunshade: 200
This package shouldn't cost more than $2500. By their charging $3500 for this, Lexus is probably making at least $1500 on this package.
While I agree $3500 seems a lot, especially if you want one or two items and don't really want to pay for the rest, I think these prices are too low. Most HID options are like $800 and up. Sunshade is also more like $400-500.
Of course, these are sticker prices. So it will be interesting to see what the invoice price for the Premium Luxury Plus package is.
A Southern Cal dealer employee (probably a saleswoman) posted the West Coast allocations, breaking down by trim and option types.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The TSX is front wheel drive I-4 which I feel is the reason its cheaper.
I put the Lexus on the same level as a BMW in quality if not better.
The IS also costs less and has more features for the money.
The only thing I am really disappointed about is the terrible gas mileage of the manual tranny which in the end is what is probably going to keep me away from the IS. (unless the 350 gets a stick
1) If you are leasing the car who cares if you get it for MSRP or for $1000 less. The difference in the lease payment would probably be about $30 (or a tank of gas)
Wow. The difference in payments assuming a MF of 25 /residual of 58% on a 34k is $33 a month. Or over 36 months that's $1200. To not negotiate on a lease is giving away money to people who don't deserve it. You should also negotiate the MF as allowing the dealer anything more than 2 points above their buy rate is disturbing. And yes 3 points makes a difference. But then again you may like giving away money.
People who don't negotiate lease...wow, a salesman's dream come true.
3)I don't understand why people are bit**ing so much about the back seat. If you want a big back seat, buy a big car.
Some of us have friends or family and while we want to enjoy our cars, we don't want to be "the guy" with the uncomfortable car. I like roadtrips...and I like to drive. So if 4 of us want to take off for Vegas one night I'd rather be in my car, going at my speeds and have my friends happy.
The IS also costs less and has more features for the money.
Doesn't appear to be so with the options I want. The 330i with my options is actually cheaper.
Lexus reliability is the big draw for me. We'll see...
Its not the greatest deal in the world, but it is a better deal then BMW can offer.
I think the only way people would be happy is if Lexus would sell the IS350 fully loaded for 32 K.
And the only way blueguydotcom would be happy, is if Lexus made the IS 350 a perfect 330i clone and priced it like a TSX.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
In regards to the comparison with the bimmers, I think Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti all have far superior quality. BMWs and Mercedes are suffering from qualities issues on their new models, while the Japanese models have been proven much more reliable over the long term for years and years. What's the point of BMW using "superior" materials inside when they all end up falling apart in a few years? Plus, is it just me or does the new 3-series interior look just awful? YUCK!
While I agree $3500 seems a lot, especially if you want one or two items and don't really want to pay for the rest, I think these prices are too low. Most HID options are like $800 and up. Sunshade is also more like $400-500.
Of course, these are sticker prices. So it will be interesting to see what the invoice price for the Premium Luxury Plus package is.
Those were just ballpark figures, but I just went to carsdirect.com to get more accurate prices on the options (for ES330)
Wood steering and shiftknob = $264
Power rearsunshade = $168
HID = $512
Heated and perforated seats =$512
And i'm being extremely generous with the rain-sensing wipers at $250, not to mention as somebody before pointed out, 17inch wheels are apparently standard, so I should remove it from my original estimate.
The sad thing is, it will be difficult if not impossible to buy lexus w/o these package options. Even if you order one, most likely, the dealer will not give you as much discount as he/she would on a loaded model.
It doesn't matter. IS250 w/auto + the overpriced package is still $35k, which I strikes me as very good deal, especially compared to its own cousin, ES330, which has fewer equipments, but costs just as much.
Great, go grab a 330i and stop worrying about reliability, BMW is really not that bad in that area.
Lexus IS 250 6-speed $29,990 + $3500 in packages = $33490 maybe $34,000 (worst case scenario)
BMW 325i 6-speed Mystic Blue Mettalic, Leather, Cold Weather Package, Premium Package, and Xenons = $36,770
I am just tired of hearing about BMW, when a 325i with manual tranny with the options that I want is going to cost me 37 K ( and thats not even fully loaded). :mad:
An IS250 starting at 27k would be fine and worth checking out as it'd be around 30k with a few options.
In the most recent Car & Driver they did a "short take" on the 325i, and said that if you were to buy one with every available option it would cost a "stunning" $47,715! I haven't verified this, but anyone who would pay that for a 325i would have to be out of their mind. They tested a relatively stripped model that cost a relatively paltry $33,190, with manual transmission and just the Sport Pkg ($1,600) and satellite radio ($595) being the only options. Without doing a line-by-line comparision, the IS250 with the $3500 package costs about the same and seems to offer much more luxury and equipment, plus there's the reliability factor.
So I expect pricing in line with those two. The IS300 lived in that space.
Living in Denver I would go for a forced induction engine. Something like an A4 2.0T with Quattro; (A3 DSG when they throw the Quattro in). S40 T5 AWD, S60 2.5T AWD can’t think of any others (heard the WRX is very weak at high altitudes turbo comes on too late)
At 5280ft above sea level a 208 hp (is that the IS 250?) engine will only be making 175 hp. The TSX makes it’s torque WAY higher than the 2.0T in the Audi/VW so it would feel even weaker than the IS 250.
The turbo’s will make their stated hp (generally) the same in Denver as they do in Dallas.
You loose approx. 3% hp every 1000ft in a normally aspirated engine, so if you’re going up to the slopes to a modest 8000ft above sea level you’re loosing 50 hp.
A TSX is a FWD I-4 car, an IS250 is a RWD V6. Any comparison ???
A G35 can be configured to compete against an IS350, so if the price favors the G35, go for it. Just stop the moan.... I can assure you, the IS350 will have plenty of buyers, maybe not you, but others will buy the car.
I just don't see how people come here to moan about pricing and comparing apples to oranges. The TL may be cheaper than an IS too, guess why ? Its FWD. Comparing FWD with RWD/AWD cars is plain silly.....
You continue to surprise me why you are on this board. A Lexus is equal to an Infiniti in your books ? You mean the miniscule cars/trucks in their line-ups versus Lexus cars/trucks ??? You mean how much resale values these cars fetch/retain in the used market ? Or how much you pay for any of them on a dealer lot ? Or....forget it... Ever been to Japan ??? Try to compare Toyota with Nissan or Honda and see why people will laugh you out of town.... Yep, indeed a Lexus is an inferior car to an Acura and Infiniti.... Happy now ?
lookin type emblem......they will be rubbing there eyes saying was that a Lexus ?????......I had a 05' TL and liked it, and for the 2004-2005 it was #1 value. I am now reccommending the (by far) best car money can buy in the
IS 350 :shades: The Lexus has way more creature features than the TL, for the money. Not to mention a little honesty from a Lexus dealer, something I found Acura to lack in my dealing with them.
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My 2 cents: Lexus was probably mislead by BMW offering a 3.0 I6 in a 325 instead of a 2.5 I6 and rushed to match its "configuration" coming short in both torque and hp. They should have retained the "classic" inline engine for the base model to make it comparable with a 325. Another well-known fallacy is lack of a real manual in a 350. How dare they offer a "sport" sedan with no real transmission?