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Lot of posts by Mark SHILLING his own website and begging people to vote for him.
Mark has not gone far from his roots and now sounds like an angry pissed off paid BMW SHILL who most likely is starting to feel the heat that LEXUS has brought to the table. His article is far from balanced and his bias toward BMW is showing like a guy in a Speedo with a 3rd degree sunburn and bad case of poison oak wandering in the middle of the woods.
in the IS 250/350
Thank you,
That's the exact problem with BMW lovers. They thought everyone is set out to beat BMW in term of handling defined by BMW itself.
As the most selling lux brand in North America (possibly the world soon), Lexus plays its own game. They will not set their goals so low as to beat a BMW 3. Lexus cars are/will be the standard of industry and envy of competitors. The trend if favouring Lexus now, as Toyota is the world's No.1 car company in terms of stock value and profit; they have got the cash for long term research.
Uh to some of us Lexus is the same as BMW and Mercedes. No better, no worse. Well, actually a little better as BMW and Mercedes have a leaning toward breaking down.
so that gets us
Leather, Air/heat seats, woodtrim and AWD for 3,125 seems kinda high? Am I missing something?
If you use Audi and BMW as a benchmark, AWD adds around $2K to the MSRP.
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Lexus GS300 RWD.. MSRP $43,800
Lexus GS300 AWD.. MSRP $45,750
Looks like $1950 for AWD...
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Is there some other equipment standard on the 350 which isn't on the 250?
I am a buyer at $42K OTD. Base IS350 + Nav/ML package. For now, I am looking to buy the wife an LX470 and next it will be my turn to take care of me. If I know for a FACT that a coupe/vert is due out next year, then I'd wait for that. Hopefully, it comes with a 6MT...
Every time an AMG product is tested, not having a manual tranny is one of its few lows.
I think Lexus will produce a M/T for the 350 next year. This way Toyota will be able to keep up with demand easier. Next year the IS will be a year old and sales will be down a little. When people see that a M/T is available many will flock back and buy it. If Toyota produced a M/T now it would be too hard to keep up with demand. By releasing a M/T next year it will ensure strong sales for it second year as well. Lets hope I'm right.
Would never consider an AMG..
The IS350 is what it is, for the 1st year it's out. It's not like most of you will be out doing slaloms every day anyhow. I recall the G35 not having a manual in its first year run too.
Uh, you're wrong. The MT6 arrived within the same model year. The G35 released in March and by January of 03 the MT6 came on the scene.
Lexus has stated, if demand and interest warrant a manual, then they will deliver.
Actually they have never said such a thing. If you find a quote, please post it. I've spoken directly to people at Lexus HQ here in so cal and always the same response: apologies but not even a peep about the manual. They have strongly suggested I try the car anyway. Which will happen.
In the meantime, just wait. If you really want a 3 series then go buy one, but the IS350 with a starting MSRP of $35k+ is competitive, regardless of a manual.
Depends on the options you think are imperative.Sport, 18s and xenons on the IS350 are a must for me. That means a sticker of around 40k. Even with negotiating that only gets the car down to ~38k. That's a tad pricey considering one can get a G35, TL and 330i with the same wanted elements for less money with a little effort.
So called good handling car for daily driving = pain of [non-permissible content removed].
The M is world conquering, according to every review. Conquest sales backs up the reviews, as does best residual value.
The G ate into 3 series BMW sales big time, and still may be the best near-luxury car, when you factor in the electronic nanny of the IS.
Lexus has no real competitior to the G coupe, nor the FX which is the best handling, fastest SUV this side of a twin-turbo Cayenne.
Now, as Luxury cars, granted Lexus has nearly every other marque by the short hairs.
I'm looking into the AWD 250...for my fiance. It's looks like a great car for HER. And to another poster, $3125 seems edit out [very] reasonable for AWD, leather - Edit out, wood, climate controlled seats.
btw, G35 sales are strong and great but they haven't hit sales of the e46 or e90. not sure where they're coming from but the TL, 3 and G35 are all selling well. Now A4 sales and IS300 sales have been dropping for years...
Given the higher than expected prices I'll be shocked if the IS does much damage at all to TL/G35 sales.
I didn't mean to suggest the 3 series was hurting, rather that the G (and now M) sales are all conquest sales I would think mostly from the 3 (and now 5 series)
Most Mercedes I've seen don't have 4-Matics and I haven't seen them in the ditches.
i'm wondering if 4WD is just a marketing ploy. granted, I'm sure 4WD will be better at gett OUT of certain ditches, but I don't see how it is any more safe once the car is in motion...
If you like it soft, I doubt there much to be dissapointed with getting any Lexus. I think most enthusiastic drivers in this segment may go for sport but the buyers could also be lux buyers as the lines blur between the two. If I were in the IS market, I would also look a the Passat with a 3.6. Great looking 4 door.
a silver 325xi auto with premium (lthr htd sts) is over 38K
The IS 250 all-wheel drive MSRP is $34,285 which includes a perforated leather-trimmed interior upgrade with heated and ventilated front seats and wood trim.
Apparently no competition from BMW here either, and no I'm not interested in going to Munich for the car. The local dealership will do fine.
Uh, actually Sept YTD sales data (1) BMW 225,956; (2) Lexus 218,729; (3) Acura 160,709; (4)MB 156,244; (5) Infiniti 103,220; (6) Volvo 97,760; (7) Audi 59,656. Also, Cadillac 182,800; Lincoln 93,700.
Sept sales, BMW wins again 25k to 22k. Source: Automotive News.
Having owned the previous IS300 with snow tires, driven in the LS430 with snow tires and now owning a 05 RL, I can tell you the RL is the best in the snow...even though it's OEM tires stink.
AWD isnt a marketing ploy.
I also find it funny because 10 years ago Lexus was the supposed "lower tiered" brand like you stereotype Acura and Infiniti to be and at that time what did us Lexus fans say? They were great cars and a bargian compared to the competition...now Lexus is slowly moving away from that...
If you truly believe what you say then I guess your Lexus sunglasses are clouding your opinion because the TL and RL show Acura can make cars basically on par with Lexus in terms of quality and overall package. I own the 05 RL and my folks have a loaded LS430...I can tell you the RL's quality is pretty darn close to the LS430 so apparently Acura being "lower tier" knows how to do things.
Blueguydotcom, you seem to think you know everything, how about you let the rest of us know how much the options are going to cost?
Yes, you have said this many times already, how about some actual data to back it up. Around 40 K is not actual data, its your own estimate.
Options on the 250 RWD
PREMIUM LEATHER PACKAGE
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
P245/45R17 (Rear)
All Season
P225/45R17 (Front)
Woodgrain Trim
17" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$5,000.00##
PREMIUM LEATHER WITH MOONROOF PACKAGE
Power Moonroof
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
P245/45R17 (Rear)
All Season
P225/45R17 (Front)
Woodgrain Trim
17" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$6,300.00##
SPORT PACKAGE
Power Moonroof
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
Sport Suspension
P255/40R18 (Rear)
Performance Summer Radials
P225/40R18 (Front)
Metallic Dash Accents
Aluminum Sport Pedals with Rubber Inserts
Chrome Scuff Plates
18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Rain Sensing Wipers
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$9,600.00##
the 250 AWD
PREMIUM LEATHER PACKAGE
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
Woodgrain Trim
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$3,600.00##
PREMIUM LEATHER WITH MOONROOF PACKAGE
Power Moonroof
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
Woodgrain Trim
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$4,900.00##
LUXURY PACKAGE
Power Rear Window Sunshade
Power Moonroof
Headlamp Washers
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Illuminated "Lexus" Scuff Plates
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
Woodgrain Trim
Rain Sensing Wipers
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$8,300.00##
LUXURY WITH NAVIGATION PACKAGE
Power Rear Window Sunshade
Power Moonroof
DVD Based Navigation System with Backup Camera
Headlamp Washers
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Illuminated "Lexus" Scuff Plates
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Premium Leather Seat Surfaces
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan
10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat
10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat
Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan
Woodgrain Trim
Rain Sensing Wipers
The 350
MOONROOF PACKAGE
Power Moonroof
P255/40R18 (Rear)
Performance Summer Radials
P225/40R18 (Front)
Woodgrain Trim
18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$2,250.00##
SPORT PACKAGE
Limited Slip Differential
Power Moonroof
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Sport Suspension
P255/40R18 (Rear)
Performance Summer Radials
P225/40R18 (Front)
Metallic Dash Accents
Aluminum Sport Pedals with Rubber Inserts
Chrome Scuff Plates
18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Rain Sensing Wipers
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$4,800.00##
LUXURY PACKAGE
Power Rear Window Sunshade
Power Moonroof
Headlamp Washers
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Illuminated "Lexus" Scuff Plates
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
P255/40R18 (Rear)
Performance Summer Radials
P225/40R18 (Front)
Woodgrain Trim
18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Rain Sensing Wipers
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$5,650.00##
LUXURY WITH NAVIGATION PACKAGE
14 Speakers
Mark Levinson Audio
In Dash 6 Disc DVD Changer 5.1CH Audio
Power Rear Window Sunshade
Power Moonroof
DVD Based Navigation System with Backup Camera
Headlamp Washers
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Illuminated "Lexus" Scuff Plates
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps
Electrochromic Side View Mirrors
AM/FM Stereo
Power Telescopic Steering Wheel
Power Tilt Steering
Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings
P255/40R18 (Rear)
Performance Summer Radials
P225/40R18 (Front)
Woodgrain Trim
18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Rain Sensing Wipers
Vehicle Including
Option Package
$10,800.00##
If the base price of the Canadian IS 250 isn't lower than 37,000$ it'll be cheeper to buy the car I want in the States.
Just guestimating off what I've read at CL and other places. I'd be happy if the prices end up far lower than what many people are guessing.
So far the only shock in pricing came from the overpriced AWD model. The IS250 came in at what Lexus execs said it would back in March - about the same starting price as the IS300.
The IS350's starting price of 36k seems good too.
Why the heck hasn't lexus released the prices on the option packages?!
BTW, this isn't the only car that seems to be coming in with prices I find appalling for what you get. The A3 3.2 Quattro's a major rip off starting at 34k.
According to whom?
"...So called good handling car for daily driving = pain of [non-permissible content removed]..."
I was just in a meeting where it was suggested that construction on a new building could start in advance of site permitting without exposure, so that is the second most ridiculous thing I've heard today.
According to whom?
ME.
still trying to figure out how auto standard is a good thing. shrug.
that's an easy one, especially from the manufacturer's perspective.
auto is what buyers -- as opposed to the "chattering classes" who spend too much time on edmunds (and I include myself in that group) -- actually want and, more importantly, actually BUY.
Base Price $35440
Destination 590
Base before options 36030
18" Alloy Wheels w/ 225/40R18 Fr + 255/40R18 summer tires 720
Preferred Accessory Package 194
Total Sticker 36944
Another $2,550 gets you the navigation system
Total Accessories .....................: $ 3464.00
# PERFORMANCE FEATURES
* 3.5 Liter DOHC, 24 Valve V6 Dual VVT-i
* 306 Horsepower, 277 lb-ft of Torque
* Six-Speed Electronically Controlled Automatic
Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i)
* Electronic Throttle Control System w/intelligence
(ETCS-i)
* Steering Wheel Mounted Shift Paddles
* Ventilated Front and Rear Disc Brakes
* 17" 10-spoke Aluminum Alloy Wheels
* Rear Wheel Drive
* Dual Chrome Exhaust Tips
# SAFETY FEATURES
* Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM)
* Fully-Independent Suspension w/ Double Wishbone
Front and Multi-Link Rear
* Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) with Electronic
Brakeforce Distribution (EBD) & Brake Assist
* Advanced Front Airbags (Twin-Chamber for Fr.
Passenger), Driver''s & Front Passenger''s Knee
Airbags, Fr. Seat Mounted Side Impact Airbags,
FR. & RR Side Curtain Airbags, Supplemental
Restraint System (SRS)
* Alarm w/Immobilizer & In-Key Remote Control
* 3-Point Belts for All Seating Positions, Incl.
Fr & Outboard Rr w/Force Limiting Pretensioner
* Child Restraint Seat (CRS) Top Tether Anchor
Brackets
* Tire Pressure Monitor / First Aid Kit / Tool Kit
# LUXURY AND CONVENIENCE FEATURES
* SmartAccess w/ Push-Button Start/Stop
* Leather Trim w/ 10-Way Power Front Seats
* Power Moonroof w/ Dial-Adjustment & 1-Touch
Open/Close
* Electroluminescent Optitron Gauges
* Automatic Dual-Zone Climate Control
* Three-Spoke Leather Trimmed Steering Wheel
* Cruise Control
* LED Puddle Lamps
* Inside Auto Dimming Electrochromic Rearview
Mirror with Compass
* Driver Information Center w/ Trip Computer
* Lexus Premium Audio w/ 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer,
13-Speakers, and Miniplug Auxiliary Input for MP3
Players
* Manual Tilt/Telescope Steering Wheel with Audio
Controls
* Power Windows with One-Touch Up/Down & Pinch
Protection
* Trunk Pass-Through
* Customized Body Electronics System (C-Best)
* Fold-Out Front Door Pockets w/ Water Bottle
* Carpeted Floor Mats
Retail Total
Vehicle Base Model ..........................: $35440.00 $35440.00
18" Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires Includes: 720.00
18" Alloy Wheels w/ 225/40R18 Fr + 255/40R18
Summer Tires ...............................
Navigation System Includes: ................ 2550.00
Generation 5 Navigation System with Rear Came
Bluetooth, and Voice-Activation with Destinat
Input ......................................
Preferred Accessory Package: ............... 194.00
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Total Accessories ...........................: $ 3464.00 $ 3464.00
Destination Charge ..........................: $ 590.00
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Total .......................................: $39494.00
However, wait until Blueguydotcom gets to read this, he will find some faults in this.
PS. I'll take mine in Tungsten Pearl with Sterling interior. Where do I send the check?