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I'm hoping my friends south of the border fair better than the pricing we got up here. As some of you might know I recently traded my '03 IS300 in one an '06 330i. Love the new car but still miss my Lexus in some ways. I won't bash Lexus, I love them. This time though I just decided to try a BMW for once.
The reason why I'm kinda pissed is because I really do like the new IS. I only have a 3 year lease and know from experience I can usually get out of my lease as early as 2 years into it (I buy 24k per year but use under 20k etc) Maybe I live in a dream world but part of me was hoping in 2 years or so to trade in the Bimmer on a IS350 (maybe manual option by then
$48,900 + fees to start?! Is that a joke? No roof or HIDs?
If I want some of the basic stuff I like the car is $54,550 + fees
That seems about $5000 to high to me and let me explain why....
My 2006 330i $47,400 to start
All I added was side/rear electric sunshades for another $590. Total $48,090. Done.
I got my roof, my memory power electric seats, HIDs, rain sensors, fold down rear seat, seat heaters, etc ALL standard on the 330i in Canada.
That's about as close as I can configure the 2 cars. I know I'm seating on 'ette and the Lexus has real leather (don't really care and heard the 'ette wears better?), I get my butt cooled as well as heated (neat feature I can't get on the BMW), and an auto (nice for some but one of the reasons I got a 330i was because I wanted a manual)
Pricing in the USA hopefully will compare better. Up here I'm suprised and disappointed. It honestly looks to me that Lexus is charging a premium over BMW up here. Maybe that time has come? Lexus is great.
But to me it just seems to be priced to high.... by about 5k or 6k.
Agree. Although I would say that a 300+HP sport-luxury sedan with the level of standard features on the IS350 should certainly retail a lot higher than $36K (incl dest), don't you think ? Porsches/MB/BMW with 300+HP doing 0-60 at ~5s will run you $50 - 90K, easily !!
The main thing I would change would be to make HID standard and separate out AFS into an option (like on the 2006 GS).
Like brightness, I do agree as well. On my LS, I have come to find the Xenons/HID much preferred over base Halogens. But, to keep the price *reasonable* things will be left out of the base car, and things will get put on the base car.... Leather and moonroof standard are pretty good.
As it stands now, you're forced to get a $3500 package just to get xenons.
I agree. This sucks, but .... maybe you can order one just the way you like it and avoid unnecessary features. So it takes 90 days, so what, as long as it is what YOU want.
See, I almost always agree with your posts, jrock.
Optioning the car out with the sport package, which comes with things I thought were not included (good things like ventilated seats that I believed were only available in 250 RWD AT with non-sport and all models higher up in the echelon) would cost me $46,508 the way I optioned it out. This is a list of the options in sport package:
SPORT PACKAGE $9,600.00
Power Moonroof, Adaptive Front Lighting System, Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps, Electrochromic Side View Mirrors, Power Telescopic Steering Wheel, Power Tilt Steering, Premium Leather Seat Surfaces, Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings, Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings, Heated Passenger Seat with Ventilation Fan, 10-way Power Adjustable Drivers Seat, 10-way Power Adjustable Passenger Seat, Heated Driver Seat with Ventilation Fan, Sport Suspension, P255/40R18 (Rear), Performance Summer Radials, P225/40R18 (Front), Metallic Dash Accents, Aluminum Sport Pedals with Rubber Inserts, Chrome Scuff Plates, 18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels, Rain Sensing Wipers.
I also included the rear spoiler for $608.00
This is a sweeeet package
BTW... you can't get white with cashmere leather? :surprise:
I guess it will have to be white on sterling or blue onyx on cashmere.
Now, the IS 350 is sitting a little higher than I thought it would in cost by about $1,500 CAD. Optioned out the way I like it, it will run me $54,308 (with spoiler). The options list I included was the sport package. The sport package includes:
SPORT PACKAGE $4,800.00
Limited Slip Differential, Power Moonroof, Adaptive Front Lighting System, Bi-Xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps, Electrochromic Side View Mirrors, Power Telescopic Steering Wheel, Power Tilt Steering, Lexus Driver Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings, Lexus Passenger Memory Seat System with Three Driver Memory Settings, Sport Suspension, P255/40R18 (Rear), Performance Summer Radials, P225/40R18 (Front), Metallic Dash Accents, Aluminum Sport Pedals with Rubber Inserts, Chrome Scuff Plates, 18" Aluminum Alloy Wheels, Rain Sensing Wipers.
$54,308 - $46,508 = $7,800
I wonder just how tunable the 250 is and if it would be fast enough for me. I know the IS 350 is a rocket, but just how much of a premium is worth 5.3 seconds 0-60 mph
Overall I am not dissapointed. This is in my ballpark and I plan on financing 6-8 months from now. I still think this is a good deal. What can you get for $54,000 CAN? A Dodge Magnum SRT-8 with a 0-60 time exactly that of the IS 350 for $53,335.00 (According to C&D it is 5.1)? The car doesn't even have anywhere near the features of the IS 350. Good work Lexus! I kinda think that I am gonna be surprising a lot of Dodge owners at the stop lights :P
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Nor less worthwhile either.
The 250rwd is about 4 grand overpriced. The base models doesn't include leather and roof like the States. If you get the sport the price comes to 45. Plus destination plus taxes. That's almost 55. Thats brutal. You could buy the car south of the border and pay almost 9 grand less. That includes the difference in the dollar, 6.1% for tariffs and both GST and PST taxes.
Lexus sure did miss the mark here in Canada.
BTW, you don't 'add' the manual you simply choice which one you desire and add options from there. When I enter the build section, mine starts on the manual tranny (but then again I'm using Safari on a Mac, don't know if that makes a difference). Meaning the new IS250 RWD in Canada starts @ $36,300
Horizontal scrolling is not my favourite thing.
Almost need a new monitor for that!
Don't you still have a 7% GST and 7%PST on new cars as well...
14% tax on a 55K car can really hurt.
And Yes, it does hurt
Considering the back seat issue, I am sticking with my TSX. The difference for rear wheel and an L on the hood is definetly not worth the money.
Diff'rent strokes, Willis, diff'rent strokes...
De-contented base cars without even xenons or moonroofs on the base models, no stand-alone options so that one is forced into high-priced option packages (many items of which should be standard features considering the base prices of the various models), no all-season tires on any of the optioned 350's, no ML on any car but the most highly priced 350 at 60G's before "Personalization Options", taxes, etc.
Unless one just must have the bigger engine and RWD in the 350 regardless of cost, it is simply not possible to make the purchase of this car make sense, not to mention its intrusive and obligatory VDIM, redundant back seat and the inadequate powerplant in the other two iterations.
The feature-rich and value-laden 2006 Acura TL will eat this thing for lunch.
Many say that the srt8 is a value buy :confuse:
In Canada, the TSX starts at $36,330.00. The only difference in standard options that really would make a difference is that the TSX includes leather standard, moonroof, xenons, 4way power passenger seat, 8way driver seat. The car is a front driver with a 4 banger. You know what, I just convinced myself that the TSX is a better value. However, I stand by my assesment of the 350! :P
Mike, I think you can get a 300C for less than 50K with hemi. Also charger. TL and G35 are also much cheaper options.
TSX is only a 4 banger, but it has more HP than the 250. It is also reported to be faster in a straight line, but this is not really an issue to me with traffic the way it usually is. It also comes with tilt/entendable wheel. FWD s RWD is a good argument in areas with great weather, but for many Canadians, I dare to say that FWD is a better option. As Wale said, though, everyone will differ on this one. All I can say is that I am disappointed with what they have done. Maybe people should buy in the states and bring 'em back.
Do some know if it is possible to custom order the car from the factory with only select options, not a clump of things grouped together to grasp the most money out of poor Canadians?
In Canada, the IS 300 started at 39,900. That is something to think about though. :confuse:
And these numbers do not even reflect the additional taxes that are extracted from car buyers in Canada, 17% additional here in B.C.! That makes the cost of a loaded IS350 approximately CDN$70,000!
This is a full CDN$17,000 approximately more than a loaded '06 TL.
Is Lexus Canada out of their mind or what??!
When the Infiniti G was introduced several years ago, and earlier yet, when the Lincoln LS was introduced, the Canadian pricing was several thousand lower for a given option list. I seriously considered buying my LS (Lincoln) in Canada, but even though it would have been ~$2K less expensive, there were several "issues."
I wonder what's changed.
As far as the pricy options go, this was what I was referring to earlier. The base prices seem reasonable, but if anyone wants some goodies attached, and maybe even if one didn't want any options, Lexus will probably only make cars with some sort of option package, with a few scattered stripper models. Only time will tell how sales is sustained over the long haul and whether enough people are willing to pay several thousand over a comparably equipped competitors.
Can you tell me if the BMW dealer discounted your 330? thanks
In Texas, we are only getting the base 350 with 18's.
Huzzah!
Its not an opinion its a fact. The G35 only expanded the market. The 3-Seires was not affected by the G35 nearly as much as you tried to originally state. Now if you have the sale figures I'll like to see them. Their nothing to support your statement about the G35 "eating into the 3-Series sales big time" like you orignally stated. The 3-Series barely noticed the G in the marketplace. Now if you originally meant the G cut into 330i sales you'd be a little more correct.
M
BTW, and AC? Is there a car sold over 25k msrp that comes without AC?
Also in typical fashion the argument has been turned around to something that wasn't being debated. Nobody here said anything about whether or not the 3-Series was or wasn't being discounted. The original poster said that the G35 cut into the 3-series' sales big time and that is what I took issue with, yet you say my posts shouldn't be "trusted" because of something I didn't even speak upon. I didn't say squat about any discounts on the 3-Series and/or whether it was being discounted or not.
See here are actual facts: In 2003 BMW sold 111,944 3-Series models and in 2004 they sold 106,549. Wow what a big drop! Sounds like BS to me.
I really couldn't care less what you think of my experiences or anything else because you're just as biased as anyone else here. Like you're some kind of impartial voice of reason or source of knowledge.
Trust? I would never trust anyone who tends to criticize any and everything that isn't Lexus or that thinks anything that Lexus doesn't do well is irrelevant. That is a clear and present bias, of which you have.
M
BTW, and AC? Is there a car sold over 25k msrp that comes without AC? (blueguydotcom)
Don't be so pessimistic. For once it's a time to say: Don't think outside the box! Think i n s i d e the box. What golffool was implying, which is not too hard to misconstrue, was that the leather seats have heat and a/c. ...
IS 250 ($45,000 with 200 HP 2.5L) vs. Avalon Touring ($41,000 with 280 HP 3.5L, the same as in the IS 350 minus longitudinal engine placement and direct injection)?
IS 350 ($55,000 with 306 HP 3.5L) vs. Avalon Touring ($41,000)?
I know that I say that the back seat doesn't matter a whole lot, however it IS a good thing to have room in the back when it is needed; this is much more practical. It will have a lot of power, luxury [xenons, leather, moonroof, stereo, power seats, back seat room (ooh la la, if you know what I mean
This actually does not seem like too tough a decision to make, although some just prefer smaller cars, I am not willing to spend so much more money when the luxury and speed I want is available in such a convenient package I find quite appealing as far as looks and feel go.
Everything is negotiable.