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ham - I bought my '99 Si new, @ 17.1K before TTL. Stolen, stripped, and totaled, my insurance company has offered (out of the goodness of their generous hearts - yeah, right) to settle at 14.4+K plus TTL. I've rejected that offer; all but one of their comparables were Civic Ex's, and the one Si in the batch sold for 15.1K (by newspaper ad, no less) with more miles on the odo than mine.
All of this, of course, is irrelevant - to the extent that rep for value retention is irrelevant.
I never really warmed up to the 1999-2000 Si. I thought it should have been a hatch. Now with the current Si and it's mini minivan style I suddenly have more appreciation for the 2000 Si style.
And, did you have it set hard?
You know that 4 wheel disks mean the parking brake is an auxillary set of cable actuated drums on the rear? Drums usually hold better in one direction, usually forward, than the other. I never drove a set of drums I couldn't slip in reverse.
Anyways, there's just a little scratch on the front bumper from the wooden sticks they had up. We actually got kind of lucky. At least it stopped after the front went over the curb instead of continuing to roll down the muddy hill and into the bobcat that was parked down there.
The scratches don't really bother me. I still love the car. I'm just gonna drive it til the wheels fall off .. which at the rate I'm going might not be long. 1 cracked windshield @ a cost of $200, 2 bumper scratches, and a shopping cart that ended up in the side of my car. Luckily all the scratches are minor and if I choose I can get them touched up. I will probably wait until my factory Michelins wear out and then put a set of rims on it and maybe a Type R kit if they are available here by then.
ham: Still doubting me I see. I got what was excellent trade at that time for my Protege and got the Si for $11,000. When I traded it the dealer gave me $12,200+ the sales tax credit = $13,054 and the price on the new SI was $16,385. Other than that I paid their dealer fee and the $21 for titling/warranty fee.
On Gee's car after the sales tax credit was figured in we got more than we paid for it 7 months and 9,000 ago. Got a new Accord coupe for a few hundred over invoice.
The other time was when I was on my driveway and it rolled forward.
Both times engine was running. So I can't leave it in gear obviously. Now, I make sure I put it in gear each and every time I park my car. But I'm sure someone somewhere will indoubtedly have his or her car rolled down a hill or hit some old lady to cause Consumer Reports to investigate Honda. Afterall, not everyone is a Honda fanatic that oversees all the shortcoming of the car and accepts it.
Heck, maybe I'll go to the NHSTA site now and put in a report about my Si rolling down hills.
When I bought the 2000 SI I didn't pay sales tax because I traded a 2001 Protege that was worth $11,500. When I bought the 2000 SI I had negative equity from the Mazda (even 0.0% couldn't offset the Mazda's depreciation) so when I traded the 2000 SI for the 2002 I was $2500 upside down.
You talked down the Protege, or specifically Mazda AS IF your Honda will not depreciate if you buy it brand new and sell it in less than a year. You are talking about mass production car. Of course they'll depreciate and the 02 Si if you sell it now, you'll be lucky to find a buyer for $12k.
Anyway, now you wrote:
I got what was excellent trade at that time for my Protege
Well, excellent trade in value for the Protege now. Whatever happened to the depreciation of the Protege despite the 0% financing?? Basically you are dealing w/ funny money. You didn't make any money on the 00 Si when you trade it in. You lost a whole bunch during the trade as evident in the $2500 upside down.
Btw, when I post about the making money by selling 99/00 Si, I wasn't referring to you. I've already *exposed* you in post # 1435. I was questionning moparbad as to how he can make more money on a used 99/00 Si if he indeed bought it new and attempting to trade it in now. But for some reason you feel necessary to defend your excellent deal that you got and the so called funny money you made.
If you ask anyone who bought a car recently, no one will say they got a bad deal. Each and everyone walks away thinking they got a good deal and proceed to recommend their salesperson to you.
She bought the SI for $11,000 flat. When she traded it the dealer gave her $12,200 for it. So not only did she get $1200 more in trade and the 02 SI for $16385, the point about the negative equity is moot since when she totalled it the insurance company paid off the whole thing. So when she bought her second one she got all the accessories AND financed less money. So really she MADE money on the accident. She financed her second SI for $1000 LESS than the first one and the second one had fog lights and paint protectant that the first one didn't have. The fog lights retail for $495. ALSO we actually got over $200 back from the payoff of the first one. All in all not bad since we didn't even get to make the first payment on the first 02 SI.
No exposure. Just ignorance on the subject is all.
As far as the rolling down the hill...It's kinda infuriating. We have been lucky so far in that it has only cost us a mailbox and a couple scratches but out of over 20 or so cars in the past 7 years this is the only car that has done this...twice.
I can't pull mine off the parking brake going forward if I set it hard; but I haven't tried reverse, assuming I could move it like every other car I've owned.
Anyway, I've submitted a complain at the NHTSA website. See if anything comes out of it.
Locking up the rear wheels and sliding is quite fun indeed.
I have a 99 Si and live in a very hilly area. While I haven't had any problems with it rolling unattended or unintentionally, I worry about my wife being able to pull it up all the way and have it engage. If I could tighten the cable a bit and have it engage sooner, it would be a nice bit of comfort to have. Would this cause any potential damage by tightening?
-Paul
Anybody else had a similar problem and found a fix for it? I'm really trying to avoid taking it to a shop to look at if possible.
Thanks,
-Paul
"Maybe we should get together and call ourselves an institute."
I could move the car fairly easily against the brake in both forward and reverse. Worse than that, the handbrake wasn't much good stopping the car from 10 mph on dry pavement. The car stopped, but it was more like coasting than stopping. Not good at all, and nowhere near as good as my '99 Si.
If anybody has a service contact about this, I'd like to know.
What I'm gonna HATE is failing the tag renewal inspection if I get a Napoleon who forces the issue.
Check it out:
Link to thread
The bummer thing is it doesn't apply to prior purchases/leases to Jan 7.
Maybe next month, they'll start giving away 17" rims :P Or maybe just one 17" rim. Haha..
Gotta do something short of giving them away since they are just sitting on the lot.
Trade my new one for one with a changer? Maybe make 1k on the trade?
Buy a 2nd one; learn to drive two at one time? Park one on the street; hope it's stolen and stripped; make 2-3k on the insurance?
Advocate for war, the tax cut on investment income, and the return of the draft; and ride the resultant rising economic tide to prosperity?
Wait for Focus SVT prices to drop to $2.49, and speculate on a dozen?
Wait for Si prices to drop to $1.24, and speculate on a gross?
"Im soooo confused!" ~ Fonzie
I have over 9,000 miles now and the car has been great. No problems other than the brake thing and that's not really a problem as long as I put it in gear and pull the brake up as far as it will go.
(I don't frequent these boards often, so my apologies if this has been covered)
scooter71, what you're asking for seems like an Si with optional rear doors and CVT. Am I right in thinking you'd like a less expensive hatch as an alternative to the US Si? A more direct competitor to the Focus, non SVT? Sounds good to me!
(BTW, what's CVT?)
Greetings from sunny Miami.
fig
I'd hate it in a 'sporty' car. Sounds great for a limo, LOL, or a truck.
Ever driven one? What's it like? I can see where it would be great for gas mileage/efficiency but low on fun factor.
Got any sense of the fun factor?
It feels like the transmission is slipping - the speed is increasing while the rpm's are staing the same.
It's more efficient than the regular tranny since the engine spends most of the time in the optimum rpm range.
I also heard that it requires a lot of maintanance (tranny oil change every 30K).
And those few that made its way from the dealer lots weren't reliable - couldn't handle even that little torque that the 1.6L was producing. The technology was just too new.
But it's all different now. Nissan, for example, is offering the modern version of the tranny in its Murano (3.5L V6 with tons of torque).
And more will come.
And regarding the UK prices. Aren't you glad that you live the USA?
Got any sense of the fun factor?
My thoughts exactly, contemplating UK pricing. Kinda makes "VAROOM" into 'varuum', LOL.
I'm sure someone can mess up an Insights drivetrain if they drove it roughly.
Hybred seems perfect for hippies - weak performance and the appearance of saving fuel without actually saving much fuel. 'Green' sure is pretty, though.
Si, with its manual tranny, seems perfect for me. Heck, it wasn't all that long ago when peak hp was to be had from a borax wagon - 20 mule team borax.
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And now, back to the subject of the Honda Civic Si / Sir. ;-)
Revka
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Audi, I believe was the first to put it on a 200+ HP car using a chain. However, they still don't offer CVT on quattro coz' it can't handle the extra power or maybe it is just a marketing ploy. Last I heard, it will be available on quattros as well. Quattros is Audi speak for AWD for those who don't know.
Now, we have Saturn offering CVT on the new VUE.
Someone hit it right on the nail. CVT do not offer a pleasing ride experience. It is strange to see the RPM remain the same while the car is accelerating. Thus, artificial shift point are programmed into the trans. You'll get the traditional shifting feel in the Audi CVT for example. But depending on the programming, it could be for fuel economy, comfort or sports. It won't be long before you can customize your own *shift* point.
Also, I believe the CVT on HX back in 97/98 was a stick shift. That and also it was offered in a 115/117HP engine. I remember it has a nice alloy rims though.
I guess that's why we still get the same 160HP and 15" rims like the 99/00 Si because Honda is following history. Maybe 10 years down the line, you'll still get the same 160HP in a 3.0l engine and the same 160HP with maybe 160ft.lb torque.
History doesn't matter. Eventually, Honda will have to offer some sort of SMG paddle shifter like BMW, Porsche, Ferrari etc. Maybe not on the Si. If you are talking about performance, nothing can shift faster than a computer and to rev match when downshift.
And it's not the same 160HP .. the 99-00 had a 1.6L Vtec engine while the 02-03's have a 2.0L i-Vtec. The wheels aren't the same either .. there is a noticable difference in wheel design.
1) I'm a 31-year-old "Gen-X'er" and all 3 of my new cars have had 5-speeds. Most of my friends prefer manuals, too, even in some of the most congested cities in the country (Seattle, SF, DC, LA, etc.). However, a CVT is a great transmission for city driving.
2) Some hybrids burn half as much fuel as the Civic Si. Any reasonable person would consider that a significant savings, don't you think?
Please avoid overstated stereotypes in the future.
I'm sure the CVT and the hybrids suit some very well.
BTW, ratings aside, hybrid drivers actually get 50 mpg in the city?
Rivertown- I've found boards like this to be a bad place to rib people since nobody knows the intentions of the person who's ribbing- to personally offend, to merely joke, to start an argument, etc.
Luckily, Revka does a good job of keeping us in line.
Back to the Si... I've heard rumors of people paying $15k for a new Si. Any truth to that in the Seattle metro area (I imagine a premium above sticker here)? Also- is there an armrest available for the Si?
Manual CVT? What do you mean?
Hamproof clearly described what Audi had to do to make it feel more pleasant or traditional.
Audi inroduced the artificial shift points which were programmed into the trans computer to simulate the traditional auto tranny feel and eliminate that slipping sensation.
The Civic handles just fine on 15" tires. Want bigger? Buy em.
Size doesn't matter...Funny...I'm 6 foot 6 she just a hair over 5 foot. Size matters.