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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier



  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    Definitely $15k or less. They'll have a hard time moving the car. New 02 SIs are selling for $16k. Now one with 5000 miles, forget it. They'll have to do better than that.

    W/ the trade in, chances are you'll be screwed. They'll give you thousands less than what you'll get if you sell the Del Sol privately. That's expected since you forgo the trouble of selling the car yourself. But how many thousands are you willing to loose for that convenience? I suggest you check the trade in value (yes trade-in not private or retail) for your car on Edmunds. The prepare to loose about 20% more on the trade. Less is better. Anything more than that you are getting screwed.
  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    *someone said*

    The Corolla only puts out 130HP, the Protege only puts out 130HP, the Elantra puts out 14...err I mean 134 or so, the Lancer puts out 120HP, the Focus has 130HP.


    If this doesn't show someone is bias towards Honda, I don't know what does. If Corolla, Protege, Elantra and Focus ONLY (emphasis on ONLY) puts put 130HP, I wonder what would be categorize the LX Honda putting out a whopping 115HP and the EX putting out another biggie size me whopping 127HP. Mind you, that's 13% gain the competitors have over the LX. How much money do we spend to get even a 10% gain? Not to mention w/ the exception of the Corolla, the other cars are cheaper than the LX and far cheaper than the EX.

    All Honda are good for is their long time reputation for quality. Whether that's the case now, we won't know till the time comes for 02/03 owners selling their car in 05/06??

    It is shocking to see what a used 98/99/00 Civic sells for at dealership. Some even asking for close to brand new car prices. Will this be true 4 years down the line? Only time can tell. If the Proteges, Sentras, Elantras, Focis hold up good, it'll be the end of Honda high resale value.
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,041
    I found a 2002 Si that was a dealer demo, it has 5000 miles on the odometer. Internet Salesgal offered it at $17,300.

    And I thought my dealer was trying to screw me by offering a brand-new one with less than 10 miles for $16,999. I know I could get better, though.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    In the Honda Si room...God forbid. Really 115 HP is fine. Older DX's had 96-106 HP. They sold like hotcakes. Everyone isn't out to do 0-60 runs. Many people care more about starting every morning and humming to work at 55 mph. Heck the Insight has less than 90 hp and Edmunds kept getting tickets. Camrys had 115 hp up til 1991 and the 626 4 cyl only made 125 hp until recently. It's just a advertising numbers game. A majority of actual consumers don't even know what grade oil goes in their car let alone how many hp, torque, or even number of valves thier car has. That's why the 5 speed xmission is dying in this country cause no one cares.
  • I bought one two month today. Been at the dealer 3 times and, the problem is not fix yet yes, the eng. is loud lot of road noise and when it rain louder. It is a very elegant good looking car but I do not think the car is worth 17,000 it should be around or between 13,500 and 16,500. oh did i mention it came with a tape player (cd is an option).
    Greetings from sunny Miami.
  • Thanks for the A\C tip, I'll try it out tomorrow. Been away for a while, girl friend keeps me on the road. Tried my Si out (alone this time) on the autobahn between Darmstadt & Frankfurt. It does 130 MPH (210 KM) right before redline. Went 2-3 miles at this speed, was enough (I'm 45, not 25). Didn't really notice the VTEC coming in.
    Yeah, the 5 yr old slides his feet over the plastic getting into the back, with gravel imbeded in his shoes. Thinking about tying him on the top. At least there's no more barfing...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Doesn't slam like the older ones. Here's a Dyno run

    It's pretty level compared to other vtec engines.

    I hope you didn't pay 17000 for an LX coupe. Wow.

  • No way, I paid 16,200 out-the-door including the mug guard,carpet $200 in fuel cards and the rear wind.
    Greetings from sunny Miami.
  • $16,200 out the door is far from $17,000.

    I'll admit I am biased towards Honda. Every Honda I have owned (knock on wood) has been trouble-free, fun-to-drive, and has gotten great gas mileage compared to comparable offerings. And I'm sure this SI will do the same .. at least until I can get my hands on one of those EX V6 6-speed Accord Coupes :)
  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    I'm actually close to selling my A4. Found a buyer. How easy is it to hardwire a V1 to the 02 SI? On the A4, there was an unused fuse that I connected the V1 to.

    Anyway, a few months ago I actually *fake* a post saying I bought a urine yellow SI to replace a POS Escort I drove. Well, for kicks anyway since I was very annoyed at *someone*. Someone claimed she sold her 00 SI for more money than she paid for and she actually got her 02 SI for like $14k.

    So, I'm in the market for real now this time looking to buy an 02 SI. Just got to decide on white or silver :) Maybe 03 if it is the same price.

    Oh.. btw, I claimed I sold the Escort and made $4k profit. So, the supposedly 02 SI I bought cost me ony $12k.

    Yeah, very juvenile for a 30year old guy with way too much time on hand.
  • Hamproof, FYI: my silver Si has different shades of silver between the doors and the rest of the car. Take a close look and make sure that the Si you look at doesn't have the same.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    She bought an 00 Si for $11k.
    Drove it for 4 months/7000 miles.
    Went into a Honda dealer who offered her $12,200 for it and gave a before tax price of $16385 for the 02 Si.

    anonymousposts Aug 10, 2002 12:59pm
  • I went to a Nissan dealership to check out the new Z car(awesome) and while backing up I banged into a BMW. Ick! The bimmer had what looked like some sratches($400), my cars rear bumper was scratched, gouged and the corner ligth was hanging out($600). I get it fixed next month. Plus the silver dash is bubbling up and peeling and the car doesn't even have 4,000 miles on it.
  • Your dash on your Si is bubbling? Did you put any cleaning or shiny products on it? That just sounds strainge!
    good luck with your fender bender...
  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    Maybe you can try searching and look it up.

    I would think it'll cost more than $400 to fix the Bummer ;) It is afterall the ultimate driving machine.
  • No dash bubble here but I did have to get a new windshield :( Stupid rocks. Just about to hit 5,000 miles in only 2 months and have yet to have a problem. Hope it stays that way.
  • Anybody know if the prices being mentioned here have been gotten at any dealerships in NJ?

  • Hello All!

    Hopefully by next June I will be able to buy my very first new car!! I am looking at the Black Civic SI and I was curious regarding the price I should negotiate. Now I know June is far off but I just need an idea. I heard stories of them selling for somewhere around 15k-17k. I was curious how I should negotiate that with the dealer. I want to get a rockin deal! Thanks
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    June is a long way off, in terms of new car buying. By then, you'll probably be looking exclusively at 2003 models, which won't be discounted as aggressively as the '02's are right now.

    Also, sporty cars tend to command a higher price when the summer months roll around, so unless you can locate a dealer who is choking on Si's, you might have to work hard to get one for even $17K.

    Don't think that I'm trying to discourage you. The Si is a good car and a great value (at invoice).
  • I got mine four months ago and paid $17k. You can get a 2002 for $15k.
    Now, the BIG problem, the car has just under 6000 miles and driving back from Palm Springs to San Diego, in the first mountain twisties..the engine check light came one and I couldn' t rev the engine past 4000 rpm, it was chocking!!! I got home (some 90 miles away) driving carefully. Bought gas and closed the gas tank thightly (per driver 's manual). A week later, in a nice curve, bham!!, the engine check light comes on again and the engines is chocking above 4000 rpm. The "service mgr" at the dealer says that he needs the car one day to check the emissions control, I think it' BS. Has anyone experienced this with their Si !?? I would like some feedback to talk with that guy.
    Be careful the price is right, it's a great car but not up to par with Honda's reputation. I almost regret not getting the WRX.
  • Do not worry I am not discouraged. I am happy to hear that you think 17k is possible. I was just hearing these wild stories about 15k Civic Si's and flipped. I just want a fun car that will last me forever and this seems to be it. I love Honda's (Own a 98 Civic HB), and want another. I love Hatches to..mmmm..Black Civic SI
  • I have 5200 miles on my SI and not one problem to date (knock on wood), no rattles (again, knock on wood) and it's just as fun to drive now as the day I got it. Actually, it's more fun to drive than the day I got it because I don't have to baby the engine any more.
  • That's the response I got from Hoehn Honda in Carlsbad.
    They told me the oil level was low, they added 3qts. Mario Garcia, the service rep suggested that I bring back the car in 1000 miles (@7000)to re-check.
    PLz let me know if you get the same problem!
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Sorry to hear about your vehicle problem. You may also want to post (copy/paste) your message in our Honda Civic Problems discussion. Good luck.



    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • OK, I just returned from a 4.5 year work assignment in the UK and I have to admit I was always amazed by the Civic "Type R" Does anyone know why these cars are not made available in the U.S.?

    Just go here and see what we're missing!

    At 15,995 sterling pounds (on the road price), that's approx. $24,000 USD, it's a 200 hp screamer!

    It's my opinion that the Si body style will soon catch on in the U.S. and Swindon will not be able to cope with the demand from the U.S. market. IF only we could get the Type R's...left hand drive, of course!


  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    doesn't matter. In this country, Civic is known to be a cheap commuter car. It's all about 3 pointed stars, blue/white propellers and big L. Just not possible to market a $24k Civic (CTR). As an Acura it is almost possible.

    Hatchbacks have been relegated to cheap cars. Giving ways to SUV and euro wagons. I'll be more than happy to see US drivers giving up their stupid SUVs and start driving hatches, wagons and minivans with farmers and contruction workers driving their heavy duty trucks and maybe eco-friendly SUVs.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Hatchbacks no longer carry the same "cheap car" stigma that they once did.

    If you're looking for the real reason why we don't have the CTR, look no futher than the RSX-S.

    Given a choice between the two, I'd choose the CTR because of its cloth seats and lighter weight.
  • hamproofhamproof Posts: 241
    Randomly ask your colleague what do they think about a Civic Hatchback? Once you get the answer, tell them it has 160HP. When you get their answer, tell them what if it has 200HP and sells for $24k.

    Hatchbacks still have a stigma to them. The most recent evidence of this is the abandonment of the Saab 93 hatchback giving way to a new 4 door sedan. If you read any of those reviews, you'll see Saab abandon the hatch coz' it is associated w/ cheapness.

    Btw, I'm not talking about the Integra/RSX type of hatches. I'm talking about Si/GTi/ZX3/Metros type of hatches.

    You can see why BMW stopped selling the 318ti. c230 is a half-baked idea by MB and it fails miserably. Other than the GTi which is the costliest of them all other than the RSX, which hot hatch is over $25k??

    Oh yeah, why do you think we don't have a CTR? That's coz' Honda knows they can't sell a Civic hatchback costing $24k to the American consumers. Try selling a Civic at more than $20k is like climbing Mount Everest. Throw in a hatchback, it is impossible.
  • If I was going to spend $24 LARGE on a car I would buy a WRX! Dont get me wrong, I love my Si, but the dream car for the last 5 years has been a WRX. But for $20K, It might be more apealing.
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