Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

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  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    They have Si's all over the place. So does Gwinnett Place.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Member Posts: 865
    Miller Honda is going to be offering Si's for about $14,750 this weekend, if I get their add right...
  • njcar1njcar1 Member Posts: 16
    Does anyone know what the prices for 2002 and 2003 Civic Si's are in New Jersey. Has anyone bought one recently, I would greatly appreciate if you can tell me for how much (price, destination fees, registration, etc.). I'm in Hudson county.
  • si2002ownersi2002owner Member Posts: 26
    Today I was cleaning the "trunk" and I lifted the cover to see if there was any thing left with the spare tire and surprise!!! there was water under the tire... It's not like it has rain too much or anything. I'm taking the car for sure to the dealer and see what's going on... Please anybody tell me if you have the same problem.
    Thanks
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It's probably a misaligned seal around the hatch. Let us know what they find.
  • dudkadudka Member Posts: 451
    I almost bought a 2002 Si from D&C Honda in Tenafly, NJ. Their selling price was $15000, including destination. I am not sure whether they still have it, as it has been three weeks. Get the number from www.hondacars.com and call Ruben there. He may work out a deal with you on a 2003. Also, I have goteen a qoute for 2002 at white plains honda in whit eplains, ny for $15000 and $158000 for 2003. If interested get the number from www.hondacars.com and call Donna. Tell either that Dave Budek referred you. No, i don;t get paid, but I feel bad for waisting their time, so I told them i would get thier names out there.
    good luck
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Sorry to hear about your problem. You may also want to copy/paste your message in our Honda Civic Si/Sir Owners Problems discussion. Good luck in finding a solution.

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • rae52rae52 Member Posts: 102
    i had a water leak inside the spare tire area also; I found it was a rubber gasket inside the outer tailight assembly. I have a '99 civic DX hatch.
  • hurler4hurler4 Member Posts: 104
    I was at a dealer in the Boston area a few weeks ago and the salesman said that a 5-door Civic was coming out within the year, and that it might have the 160-hp engine. Has anyone heard this? If it's true, I will be very interested in it. The only reason I haven't bought the current Si is because it only has 3 doors.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    They offer 4 door Civic hatches in the UK, where the Si is built, but with samller engines. Check the UK site for pics.

    Given the slow sales on the Si, a 5 door Civic would make good marketing sense.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    The closest I have heard about the 160hp engine going into another Civic is the Honda Civic EX Coupe FP which will also have 16 (or is it 17) inch wheels, side skirts, and maybe an upgraded suspension. I have to check my March C&D issue again.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    that would help the SI is an automatic tranny.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    The best marketing sense that would help the SI is an automatic tranny

    If Honda does decide to put an AT in the Si, I hope it's the same one that's in the base RSX.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    Four doors and AT on an 'Si'? Stop, please, before I hurl. Call it anything, Civic SuperSport even, not 'Si'.

    YUCK!
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    Hey all - I stumbled into a H dealership just to check out what cars i can replace my leased focus with when that's up. I ended up leaving a deposit about an hour later. 15.7k for an 03 - wow.
    Can you guys fill me in on common si problems - if any - seems like a nice, solid car - like a honda focus hatch + 30 hp - exactly what i was looking for.
    That dash mounted shifter works oh-so-nice and is placed oh-so-well.
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    Hey all - I stumbled into a H dealership just to check out what cars i can replace my leased focus with when that's up. I ended up leaving a deposit about an hour later. 15.7k for an 03 - wow.
    Can you guys fill me in on common si problems - if any - seems like a nice, solid car - like a honda focus hatch + 30 hp - exactly what i was looking for.
    That dash mounted shifter works oh-so-nice and is placed oh-so-well.
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Have you signed a contract yet? If so, congratulations!

    You asked: "Can you guys fill me in on common si problems...."

    You could probably find the information you need just by reading through the messages in our "Civic Si / Sir Owners - Problems & Solution" discussion. Look for a direct link in the Helpful Links on the left side of this page. Others here may have more to add. Good luck, and thanks for your participation! ;-)

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    Civic owner have generally got it pretty good - you guys should check out the focus problem boards sometimes. I just received my 10th or so recall letter yesterday.

    Have any of you removed the badging? f&b Si badges, rear civic badge, side dohc/vtec stickers?

    Do these all come off pretty easily? do any leaves holes behind in the sheetmetal? I think the rear H emblem might - but I think I'll keep that one.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Honda badges/stickers are simple to remove. All you need is a hairdryer and some unwaxed dental floss. They're all attached with adhesives.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Make sure you pull the handbrake up and leave it in gear. The car WILL roll away. The tires sometimes have a flat spot on them from sitting for a while. It'll go away in a few hundred miles. And another biggie. And very importantly...Make sure you abide by the break in. The engine will drink oil if you don't. Even under light use make sure you check the oil at every fill up. It'll probably require a quart or two in the first 5000 miles. It stops burning oil at about that time.
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    i didn't get a chance to take the si onto the highway and am left wondering: how quickly is the motor spinning at 70mph in 5th?

    my old vw was nearly at 4k.
    focus is just over 3k.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    My SI is 3000RPM at 60, 4000 at 80, so I would guess 3500 at 70?
  • dudkadudka Member Posts: 451
    congratulations on the purchase, if you have not signed the contract watch out for the "dealer add ons" hopefully the price you qouted included destination.
    My girlfriend has a focus and i liked driving it so much that I almost bought focus ZX3, but being a loyal honda driver, I had to give Si a chance. one test drive and I was sure i wanted the Si over the ZX3. Luckily, Honda is not selling the Si's as anticipated, so i was abel to pick up a brand bew 2002 Si in january for much less than a comprably equipped focus would have been. I guess comprably equipped focus would have been the ZX3 SVT. another car that comes close in performance and Grins per miles ratio is the Mini cooper S. But i could not justify spending over $25K on it.
    Things to look out for: (not all nesseceraly bad)
    1. Gobs of power, i break the front wheels loose occasionally, and i don;t drop clutch.
    2. minimal downshifting nessecarry in everyday drving, as the Si is able to pick up speed in 5th gear from 30 mph.
    3. lack of 6th gear, that is the biggest complain i have about the Si. as i usually cruise at 70-80 mph, the RPM's are in 3500-4000 range. funyn you mentioned VW, my 91 jetta cruised at 70-80 mph with engine spinning at 3500-4000 RPM.
    4. great cornering, something to look forward to, rahter than look out for!
    5. oil consumption. for some reason these new K-series engines are oil thirsty little buggars.
    6. gas consumption, since it is very difficult not to exploit the power, that relates to lower MPG's. this is not your average civic economy vehicle. My CR-V gets the same gas mileage as the Si. and CR-V is a much bigger vehicle.
    7. every ricer is trying to race you at the lights.
    8. Si suffers from being called a mini-van.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    It's not a minivan. It's a mini-minivan. Or a mini-matrix.

    I love mine!

    P.S. I agree with Anony about the handbrake. WATCH IT! More than one new Si has a new dent, from that weak sister of hand break.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Our dent will be removed next week! $145. Not too bad considering the damage that could have been done. We had planned on just leaving it but it was driving gee nuts. You can't even really see it unless you know what you are looking for.

    I've been driving the Accord for the last week and have to admit that I miss my Civic more than I thought I would.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    I'm at 1.5K miles +-, and I'm 1/2 quart down on the oil and getting 25mpg +- in the worst sort of short trip driving if I keep my foot out of it most of the time.

    Anony's right, too, about the break-in period. As we break each other in, the car gets better 'n better 'n better. LOL, and that's from an excellent beginning.

    (The dent would drive me nuts, too! I'm glad you're disappearing it.)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Our SI used about a quart during the first 3000 miles and hasn't used any since.

    Ours too just gets better and better. I have a feeling most highway trips will be done in the SI instead of the Accord.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    i kicked her out of the SI and gave her the Accord. The Civic is more fun to drive in traffic. The short gearing makes for a lot of fun point and shoot driving.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    Traffic is fun. You're stuck in a bunch, and . . . . then you're not, LOL. "Who was that masked man?"

    It's different than the previous gen Si, which was great, too. Somehow quieter and smoother, lower key.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    You can drive it all day at 2000 to 3500. Or kick everbody in the rear with a downshift and a run up to 6000. The car is great.
  • jyu4444jyu4444 Member Posts: 11
    Honda generally makes great cars, But what happen to the great Si. I swear it went from good looking to fugly. Why? What is really sad is the fact that some of you guys own one. I feel your pain, I know why you are in here saying that how you love you car and how you are going to take the car on a long trip. Stop lying, you hate the car, it's ugly, just admit it.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    He did the same thing on the 6 board.

    Dinu
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Jason,

    Have you run out of puppies to kick?

    If the Si doesn't work for you, I seriously doubt anyone would actually force you to buy one.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    Well, something's wrong with the marketing - wrong MSRP, styling, over-production, tight economy, something - else it wouldn't be selling so far under published invoice. Works for me, though; I love the car.

    Let that guy out of the handcuffs! He shouldn't have to buy an Si if he doesn't like the styling, great bargain or not.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I love my SI. I don't care if you like it's looks unless you are going to do the electronic funds transfer for me every month. Just because it may not be to YOUR liking does not mean it is ugly. The car looks very European which will not appeal to a large number of Americans to start out with.

    I have said it once and I will say it again, there is NO better new car out there for $16,000. The car is fun-to-drive, has been reliable for me in it's first 11,000 miles, and it was cheap. Not much more I can ask for out of it.
  • redsirredsir Member Posts: 34
    Traded my two year old 2001 LX 2dr auto for my new 2002 Sir (Red).

    I sat in every seat, pushed all the buttons etc. trying to decide. After three test drives I convinced myself to go back to a 5 spd. The auto was so quick on 1-2 shifts it just killed any hope for speed.

    Question is...when you are inside your car, can you tell the colour or what it looks like?

    For me, quality fit and finish, no rattles and it's such a blast to drive. I think thats the reason most buy.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    Well, I like the looks, too, A LOT. I live in a fairly conservative town, and LOTS of people have stopped me on the street or in the parking lot to visit about my white one.

    I even saw my first yellow '02 yesterday. From a distance, I liked the look. Up close, not so much; pretty bad actually, but the owner had blacked out the windows and otherwise gone garish.

    IMO, yellow/gold is tough to do on a car.
  • jimc93sijimc93si Member Posts: 34
    Hi Folks,
    I have been reading alot of message boards, and especially this one because people seem to be more mature overall. I have a 93 si h/b with 182,000 miles on it and have been looking at the new one since it came out. My current one looks and runs great, but I want the new one now that the looks have grown on me a little. I am just so worried that I will regret giving up my '93. I have test-driven the 2003 RSX TWICE, but not the SI as I know once I do I'll be sold. I also bought the '84 S new when it came out so it's been like 20 years of H/B as my primary vehicle.
    I really like the black honeycomb option for the console.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Those 93 Si's are awesome cars. I think you will be happy whether you go with keeping your current car or buying a SI/RSX. However, I do not think you will regret giving up your current ride for the SI. It is a great car. Just test drive it to make sure you will be happy with your decision.
  • jimc93sijimc93si Member Posts: 34
    Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't dream of buying a new car without test driving it first. I've been to 3 different dealers in the area and at each one the salesman has said kids come in all the time looking for 92-95 hatchbacks. I traded in my '84 hb for the '93 with 240,000 miles on it including the original clutch. What concerns me somewhat is I still get 37 mpg average per tank and the '03 gets worse, PLUS I'll have car payments. *sigh*
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    Keep one, get one! Nothing wrong with owning two great cars, LOL!
  • gsgman69gsgman69 Member Posts: 75
    but it is safer, has more convienence features, lower emissions and is probably quieter than your '93.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I am averaging about 30MPG in my SI. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I drive in conditions that would be considered in between city/highway. No real stop and go but I have to occasionally slow down for congestion or darned red lights.
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    Thanks for the info all.

    I'm excited to pick up my very own Si.

    While happily driving (and thoroughly enjoying) my focus hatch for the past 3 years, all that I wanted was: an extra 20 or 30 hp, comfortable seats, some more refinement, cruise control, intermittent wipers.

    And lucky me - Honda put something together that addresses all these (and for about the same price).

    I think the Si is sort-of a trick, well-equipped, refined, sportier Focus - all dimensions are within an inch or 2 of each other. They've both got a very similar look/shape - there are lots of parallels in the interior details as well. The handling and 'feel' are similar, as is the view out.

    Neither is the prototypical honda or ford - I'd guess it's just their shared european heritage.
  • fokus5fokus5 Member Posts: 38
    oh - and the engine displacement and tire size are the same also...
  • greenguygreenguy Member Posts: 78
    What about the seats? What about the quality feel of the dials to control AC/Heat? What about the feel when you close the door and it goes "thunk" instead of clank..rattle-rattle? What about when you step on the gas the car revs (and you have a tach)and goes? What about when your driving and you dont see tweny in one mile? What about not having to visit you dealers service dept. as often as you wipe your....wind shield off? The differences go on, and on.
    Sorry for the rant, but they are completely different cars. I've owned a Ford before my ep, and the ep is a dream!
    BTW congrats on your purchase! You'll love it. take it easy on the revs for the first 1k miles. and check your oil EVERY gas fill up for the first 3k miles.
  • 944s2944s2 Member Posts: 16
    Last fall I was thinking of getting a 2002 or 2003 Si to replace my trusty '92 Si with 172K miles. In the end we did an about face and bought a new Audi A4. However, I'm still thinking about that new Si...

    Yesterday I was at the local Honda dealer (Seattle Eastside) and I saw they still had a new silver 2002 Si on the lot. It had a ridiculous sticker price which included stuff like "adjusted market value." Ha, shouldn't that be negative :-)

    What I'm wondering is, what do you think they'd sell the car for now? I know one of the other local dealers had some 2002s in December for $14,995, so this one shouldn't be any more... after all, in about 8 months the 2004s will be here. Maybe I'll drop by and take another look. Might be time to part with the ol' 92.
  • jimc93sijimc93si Member Posts: 34
    gsgman69: Well it might be safer if I drove it somewhere other than Tampa expressways and causeways where the average speed is around 80. Any slower causes a traffic hazard. Knocking on wood, I haven't been in even a fender-bender in this car. The emissions didn't even register on the equipment when we had to have that done. It would certainly be quieter as my short ram intake is pretty loud when I give it the gas. The big thing is it has been paid off for 5 years. I just love it when a big 'ol SUV blows by me burning up all that fuel. You ever get to a gas pump after an Explorer? They take like 27 gallons for about $45.00. LOL.
  • rivertownrivertown Member Posts: 928
    15K seems like a reasonable price for an '02 Si about now. I know some WA Honda dealers, though, who would take a pencil in the eye before they'd take that deal. AMV on a car that's been selling below invoice for months, LOL! Sounds like the guy I'm thinking about, LOL II.
    I guess I'm saying you might have to shop around. Use the net! The Honda site will help you locate dealers in however large a radius you're willing to drive. When I net shopped, a Honda dealer 200 miles away even offered to deliver the car.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Member Posts: 865
    I think you can get them for about $14,500 in Los Angeles.
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