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2003 Limited, 4WD, FE (EMISSIONS), EJ (IN DASH CD CHANGER), GY (AIRBAGS), RF (REAR SPOILER), SR (MOONROOF), CF (MATS), SE (IMPROVED DASH)
Metallic Sky Silver, $38,551
I can't believe it. It was an AD CAR advertised at 8K off MSRP and I got it!
EJ JBL,6 Disc
GY airbags
RF rear spoiler
RL Daytime lights
EY Rear Seat DVD
SR Moonroof
40,000 + tax, i tranfered plates for $10.00+
1000.00 cash back. Sooooo,,, $39,000 for a Limited 4X4 + tax is a great deal for this truck.
I'm hoping to get 8-10 yrs out of this truck.
Again... DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!!!!!
Do your homework guys. These trucks are NO LONGER in demand. The deals are getting GREAT.
SR5 Base (from Toyota Website) 32,200
CQ Convenience Package 255
AG Alloy Wheel Package #2 1,835
PM Preferred Package 2,515
KY Keyless Entry 245
AC Dual Air Conditioning 570
DR Roof Rack 220
LF Front Fog & Driving Lamp 110
DJ JBL 3-In-1 Premium Audio 515
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Total 38,465
Limited (Base) 41,474
Ok, the Vanity mirror light, the metal trim interior, the auto retract lights are all I can think of that seperate SR5 with the above options and the Limited (base). I'm condisering the Silver Metallic, so the two-tone problem is solved.
My real question. What does one get for the extra $3,009.
Thanks,
CP
I think PM (leather package) is not very easy to find. You may have to pay a little premium for it. Not sure.... Good luck.
However, based on the brochure and the Toyota website "build your own":
1) The sunroof is NOT standard on the '04 Sequoia Limited.
2) The tow package IS included in the "Alloy Wheel Package #2" cited in my options... (brochure and website)
3) I did miss the "Auto Dimming Mirrors" at $125 difference.
So the real difference is (to this point)
Vanity mirror light
Metal tone interior
Auto retract mirrors
Auto Dimming mirrors
Guest-ti-mate all above to be $350-$600
So around $2,500 difference (+/- 10%)
The whole point in producing a "loaded" vehicle is to give the buyer the opportunity to get ALL the good stuff in one package and pay a little bit less (incrementally) than if things were all "options".
So..in the end (outside the Metallic Silver), one is spending an additional $2,500 on Limited just to avoid a two-tone vehicle.
I really like the Phantom Gray Pearl and hate that I can't get it in SR5 without the two-tone thing.
I agree, the PM package will be hard to find..., but, I think the only thing it provides over the other leather upgrades is the heated seats and wheel audio controls..
Thanks again Yickyo.
I think toyota website and info is not accurate. Moonroof is standard on '04 limited and the rear AC is now standard on '04 SR5. I have verified them at the dealerships and looked at the window stickers. so that would change your equation some what. You are also correct about the tow pkg.
Don't know where you are at, but in my area, '03 limited 4x4 are being advertised to be $8,000 to $9,500 off MSRP. I am seriously thinking about picking one up at that kind of price.
SR5 Silver Sky Metallic
FE 50 State Emissions
DR Roof Rack
GY Driver & Passenger Curtain & Side Air bag
SR Moon roof
CQ Convenience Package
KE Key less Entry
LF Fog Lights
EJ JBL 10 speaker/6 CD changer
AG Alloy Wheel Package #2
CF Floor Mats
First thing I did when I got home was to sit down with brochure and see what I didn't get that I would have gotten on Limited.(For about 7 grand more given I couldn't get close to invoice on Limiteds)
On Limited not on mine:
1. Leather (My opinion the only big difference)
2. Head lamps are BOTH auto on/off (SR5 only auto off)
3. Auto-retract on outside mirrors
4. Heated seats (Im in Southern CA not an issue)
5. Audio Controls on steering wheel (nice but not critical)
6. Dual AC (another nice but not critical)
7. Auto-Dimming Rear view mirror (not an issue in a high ridding SUV besides rear glass is tinted)
8. Sun visors have "secondary visor"
9. Single tone paint (Not an issue with the color I selected)
10. Metallic look interior molding (SR5 is plastic)
I believe ALL but the single tone, secondary visor, retractable side mirrors, metallic interior molding are available options in the SR5 - Personally I don't think the extra gadgets are worth the premium in price - specially given the dealers are less willing to give you rock bottom prices on Limited..... in reply to CP: I cant see the few options missing being worth 3 grand.... I kept asking myself the same question: What am I missing.....I think its the little tag on side of car that says Limited :-)
Point I wanted to make was that this was my second experience buying through online/fleet department and the experience is night and day compared to the haggling and unpleasantness of dealing with dealers when you just walk in. All they need to improve now is on the finance dept. - They still try to play the same games as when you walk in... selling you excess warranty/gap/corrosion for sky high prices.... The only reason why we spent a lot of time at dealer was that we switched from the 03 to the 04 so given the deals (even without the 1000 rebate) were almost the same ended up walking through their entire inventory picking a color.
For any of you doing the online/fleet mgr thing some suggestions:
1) Give yourself a week or two to get replies from everyone or else call the local dealers directly and ask for fleet department
2) Fleet managers normally will not haggle on price unless you can show them another fleet manager has quoted you a better price at which time they will tend to match it (The whole idea of online/fleet is to cut to the chase... if they haggle find another fleet manager/dealer)
3) Before you go and take delivery of your car tell fleet manager to have all paperwork ready - including financing if doing it through dealer (they can do all this before you get there as long as they have your financial info) - make sure they have car detailed and ready to go
My BMW was purchased through fleet and I was at dealer for no more then 30 minutes and 20 of them were inspecting/test drive/learning car features - 10 minutes is all it took to sign everything - everything had been negotiated beforehand... no high pressure/tired of being there/make 10000 decisions now...
The SR5 didnt go as smoothly mainly due to us swapping to an 04 at the last minute - Main reason to get dealer to have everything ready:
1) Aside from you spending less time at dealer it also means they will have less time to convince you to buy things you dont need
2) Finance dept. will not have the time to do their high pressure sales bull...and even if they do you will be fresh given you just arrived and not worn out after 3 hrs picking a car.(How do you think I missed the 300 advertisement fee... I was tired...Im sure they would have removed it had I asked them to)
Don't be so sure about that! Advertising fees are fairly common and seldom waived. I haven't met anyone who likes them, however.
tidester, host
steve_ "Toyota 4Runner" Sep 11, 2003 11:55am
Steve, Host
That may well be true. The last Toyota I bought was 16 years ago.
tidester, host
I went through the list of '04 Sequoias that were already schedule for production for the Southeastern dealerships. I wanted black with sunroof, leather, JBL, spoiler, keyless. I found one that was scheduled for manufacture that had everything but the spoiler and keyless, and I had the dealer install those.
The only way I would have purchased a 2003 is if they would have gone thousands below invoice. Why? You get more for the same invoice price on a '04 than a '03 (rear a/c, power seats). A 2003 is like buying a used car when it comes to resale, so I wouldn't even consider one at the prices they were asking.
Also, one fleet mgr. said that MAF (national ad. fee-$560) & TDA (regional ad. fee-$275) are added to invoice by Toyota and are not negotiable. This sounds like B.S. and I wonder if it amounts to a "floorplan fee" or "wholesale cash reserve" which should be subtracted from the invoice to determine the Dealer's Total Cost. Any suggestions/advice will be appreciated.
When I decided to purchase mine ('04 Limited with nearly all of the available options) I first attempted to walk into the dealership where my neighbor worked and buy the truck for nearly $1000 over invoice. After a terrible runaround and a bunch of offensive crap, I left the dealership and sent an electronic request for quitation over the internet to a few of the next closest dealerships (in the Chicagoland area) and bought the truck the next day for roughly $800 over the Edmunds published invoice. Again, the dealership quoted $500 over invoice, but there was an additional $350 of so regional advertising fee in the price that wasn't reflected in the Edmunds invoice. I was pleased with the price (given what I had gone through at the previous dealership) so I bought it.
Still haven't received it due to the fact that the combination of options wasn't available. I am expecting it early in December which will be roughly 12 weeks since the initial order.
BTW: We orderd the Phantom Grey, but with the Charcoal interior.
I have bought cars from other manufacturers, all the invoices were normal without all these fees, maybe except for some advertising fees. This is the first time for a Toyota, are these fees legitimate? Do all your invoices include the dealer hold back? I just can't believe this!
Phantom Gray Pearl/Oak Leather
Toyo Guard Protection Group (XY70)
Sunroof Wind Deflector (CF10)
Color-Keyed Grille W/stnls Steel Insert (CG90)
Rear Spoiler (CX90)
DVD System (ED20)
JBL/6 CD Changer (EJAT)
Driver & Side airbags (GYAT)
Factory wheel locks (LK10)
Cargo Net (PC50)
Carpet Mats/Trunk Mat (PV50)
Daytime Running Lights (RLAT)
The MSRP on the vehicle is $45,832 I was able to get them down to $42,566 (including a B.S. Dealer Preparation Fee which they stated was $569). My sales person initially tried to tack on the Dealer Prep Fee to the $42,566 price but her boss agreed to include the Dealer Prep Fee in the $42,566 price (They probably just waived the B.S. fee). Now I really only wanted to pay no more than 91% of the MSRP (I got that from Kiplinger's Annual Car Buyer's Guide - Decemebr 2003). But I ended up paying 91.7% of the Dealer Prep Fee plus the MSRP. I feel I paid about $800 to $900 more than I should have but including the Dealer Prep Fee maybe it’s more like $300 to $400.
Do most of you agree with my assessment or did I actually get a good deal?
An additional factor is that I'll be exporting this vehicle to the US Virgin Islands where the MSRP on the same vehicle would be at least $10,000 more.
I'm also intrigued by the fact that everyone seems to be trying to get they're vehicles for about $500 over invoice. Is this the proper buying perspective or is a percentage of the MSRP O.K.?
P.S. I don't mind brutal honesty. I’m really looking for honest and direct insight from as many people as possible.
The list of options you provided for your vehicle had a few that I couldn’t locate here on Edmunds. Perhaps they were dealership installed options. Assuming that the invoice on your vehicle was 88.7% of the MSRP (as it was for the ’04 Limited 4x4 I purchased a couple months ago), the invoice price for the truck was probably close to $40.637.
If you believe what folks on this site say with regard to the prices they are paying for these trucks (generally $500 above invoice for ‘04s – which is what I was paid for mine, plus the bogus regional advertising fee of roughly $300-$350), I would expect that you could have purchased your Sequoia for somewhere around $41,500 (at least in the Chicagoland area or one of the other regions where folks are buying the Sequoias for $500 - $800 above invoice).
Of course this doesn’t mean that you could have done this in Miami, but I believe these prices are only available to people that know what the invoice is and how the game works. Otherwise, when you consider the price of the vehicle to be some number relative to MSRP, shaving $3,000+ seems great, when in fact it really isn’t.
Also in the Southeast(Fl) there is a delivery of $575, a Admin fee 0f $575 and also a Dealer Fee of $289to $400 all of which really throws Edmunds reported delivery and fees way out the window. Edmunds says delivery in Florida should be -$210.
Can anyone shed any light on this. $1500 in "fees" seems rather high to me.
However I'd still like to know about all these Southeast fees if anyone has knowledge. !
I have also submitted a request with Carsdirect for a 2004 SR5, gray ext., charcoal int, preferred package, alloy wheel #2, keyless, roof rack, floor mats, and cargo net. Their quote was $32,889 which is thousands less than initial quotes I have received from the local dealers.
Thank you in advance for any help.
Let me know if you need more information!
Does anyone know of a good Toyata dealership in Northern California? If so, what is your experience with their prices? Please help.
RL
Edmunds Invoice Price: $38362.00
Dealers Invoice Price: $38487.00 ($125.00 over edmunds)
Price Paid: $38487.00 + $289 Processing Fee + $10 internet something fee + Taxes
Total Paid = 40,054.08
This board has helped me get this price.
Thanks all
Sounds like you got a great deal.
Base Model Invoice +
Options Invoice
Then there are items below the line such as:
Destination +
Advertising +
Wholesale Financing +
Hold Back
I understand destination and advertising - but isn't the hold back built into the base/option manufacturer's invoice price?
The dealer has told me that invoice is everything listed above and that my offer of $500 over is added after all the extras (destination, etc.) And they did not tell me about the extras until I agreed to $500 over invoice. I think they are double dipping?
Any thoughts or clarifications?
Many will claim that these other fees must be paid by dealer - so they should be included.
The wholesale financing and hold back are not part of invoice.
Tell this dealer to shove it and find one that at least pretends to be honest.
Steve, Host
2004 Limited 4x2
Options: D0 DD EJ GY P4 PV RL SD SS T9 W1 WD WT
Price is $39,932.00 plus TT&L
Should I pull the trigger?
AG(x17 whls),CQ,DR,EJ,GY,KE,LF,SR,LA80(PIO LTHR),
TOYOTA MOP-N-GLOW etc,& Del'y.
$36K out the door plus state sales tax and dmv tag & title fees.
Dealer tried to slide in prep "fee" of $400 on top of the $36K, but I caught it and had it absorbed into the $36K. I don't know how much that is above invoice. If I listen to the dlr he is going into the poorhouse tomorrow. (yeah right!!). If I listen to another dlr, its $750 over invoice. I suspect its more like $1K to $1.2K above invoice. I was on a short time crunch and there aren't too many of this configuration availalbe in the colors I wanted (White/oak)in the time frame, so I wasn't able to play one against the other as much.
I'm pretty happy that I got what I wanted, (or I will be when it arrives in about a week) from the Port. Incidently the 36K is the same price that Carsdirect.com says they can get it for. But whether that includes dealer prep fee or not I don't know.