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oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I don't think the Genesis sedan is a bad car, I just think that the driving dynamics tend to mirror that of Lexus or Lincoln. There's nothing wrong with that; like I tell clients that ask me about other brands, "There are no bad cars in that market segment; each manufacturer prioritizes certain aspects of the driving experience. You'll find that BMW builds cars with engines that combine outstanding acceleration with excellent fuel economy. Likewise, high performance handling is emphasized, but not at the expense of an uncomfortable ride. If those characteristics are important to you, a BMW would be an excellent choice. If not, there are other very good cars in the segment that may well suit you better."

I'll frankly admit that no Genesis has ever been on my shopping list, but I could well be swayed by the new Kia Stinger- just as long as it's RWD and fitted with the 365-hp twin-turbo 3.3-liter V-6.

Ha ha, a true car salesman.

I once rolled into a dealership in my 1991 Olds 88 that was held together by rust and prayer. The salesman commented "nice car".

stickguy

Wife has the old pictures. Will have to Poke around. I assume some exist.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I notice Hyundai designers like trapezoids and parallelograms.

Those windows look like trapezoids and parallelograms.

One of them is a scalene right triangle.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

Also the article talks about how Hyundai pushes vehicles onto dealers as service loaners and engages in some shenanigans to meet corporate sales quotas each month. Sounds like not a fun place to work.

An acquaintance has an Elantra and every time it goes in for service he's hit up to buy another new car.

If GM sells to fleets that's bad; other companies sell to fleets, no problem. LOL

I walk through the parking garage at the airport through the rental return and parking area and there are lots of toyota and Nissan cars there. Some GM. I believe there were Chrysler 200's also.

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That's a beauty. Love the color. I've seen some 4 series around town and I like the looks better than the 3. More details please. Engine, 0-60 etc.

It is 430i, 250 hp 2-liter turbo. Great motor, I originally thought I'd get 440, but I got over it and kept the money. I honestly don't know exact 0-60 figures, but the motor is impressive. As with Mike's 740 turbo six, the modes are distinctive, from lazy and latent Eco, to every day Comfort, to lively Sport, to semi-insane Sport Plus. New iDrive is quite intuitive, I had to get letter shapes right at first for finger letter writing (no screen touch). I hope the American navigation is a little better than that on the USB stick I got for Europe (routing was sometimes quite dumb in the hind sight and the lady's voice directions late or out of sync (multiple times she'd say turn left, when the map was showing right turn, left turn was next).

It's actually pretty quick; 0-60 in the mid fives I think. I really, REALLY like the Gran Sports. We have a Tanzanite Blue 440i xDrive M Sport in the showroom. Cognac leather with M Performance Power and Sound. If it was RWD I'd be incredibly tempted.

How much?

MSRP is $69,625; it is a 2018. Tanzanite Blue is an Individual color, meaning it adds $1950 to the cost. I think the only option it lacks is M Sport brakes...

$70k is A LOT of money for a non ///M (3 series or 4 series). Speaking of, are there any plans in the pipeline for an ///M4 Grand Coupe?

No plans for a ///M4 GC- although I also think it would be a great car. And yes, it is expensive for a 4er, but with MPPS and Adaptive M Suspension it is seriously quick. Almost as fast as an ///M3/4 but considerably less hard core.
Remind me to tell you about the M4 'vert we have that stickers for over $100k...

fintail

Most windows are rectangles, trapezoides, triangles, and parallelograms Dashboard styling elements don't need to be, however.

1960 Meteor is an oddball, like a 60 Ford with a Mercury grille and random side trim. I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

driver100 said:

Those windows look like trapezoids and parallelograms.

My Dad had a 1960 Meteor, which was the Canadian version of that Ford model.

fintail

People used to joke "Rentabu", now it is "Rentnata" or "Rentima" (works for Nissan and Kia)

I have definitely noticed that other brands who take part in seemingly endless fleet dumps aren't castigated for it like GM was earlier in this century.

imidazol97 said:

If GM sells to fleets that's bad; other companies sell to fleets, no problem. LOL

I walk through the parking garage at the airport through the rental return and parking area and there are lots of toyota and Nissan cars there. Some GM. I believe there were Chrysler 200's also.

graphicguy

Fleet sales.....Ford does it, GM does it, Chrysler does it, VW, Nissan, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai...all do it.

Just rented the "rare" CRV that I mentioned, as that's the only Honda I've ever seen in the rental fleets.

Hertz must go out on the open market to buy Mercedes, Infiniti, Lexus, Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi to put into their "Prestige Collection". Nary a BWM or Acura has been seen in their Prestige Collections, though.

fintail

Hertz had Audi about 10 years ago. Sixt has Audi and BMW too, and Silvercar is all-Audi. I suspect most of these are open-market deals, although in Europe Sixt and BMW have some kind of partnership (a prior slogan was "Sixt liebt BMW"), not sure if it extends to the US.

graphicguy

fintail said:

Hertz had Audi about 10 years ago. Sixt has Audi and BMW too, and Silvercar is all-Audi. I suspect most of these are open-market deals, although in Europe Sixt and BMW have some kind of partnership (a prior slogan was "Sixt liebt BMW"), not sure if it extends to the US.

Not familiar with "Sixt". Just singed up for Silvercar for when I go to Chicago. Interesting....all Audis.

Agree.....they probably are all open market deals. How would you like to be the sales person and dealership who landed the Silvercar Audi deal. Probably done at an ownership level, though.

ab348

Back in the good old days Hertz was all Fords and Avis was all Chrysler products. I seem to recall that GM owned National for a time too.

fintail

Sixt is a German-based company with limited US presence, mostly at locations favored by European tourists. They have an odd fleet - Euro cars to appeal to Americans, and American SUVs and muscle cars for Europeans.

Yeah, I doubt a normal salesman handles that order for 100x E-class etc, but they aren't special fleet models.

graphicguy said:

Not familiar with "Sixt". Just singed up for Silvercar for when I go to Chicago. Interesting....all Audis.

Agree.....they probably are all open market deals. How would you like to be the sales person and dealership who landed the Silvercar Audi deal. Probably done at an ownership level, though.

explorerx4

There is a Sixt near me but all they rent are vans, not sure if cargo or passenger type.

dino001

So the car is away to the truck and then ship. The dropoff process was quick. Tomorrow flying home. Here are some interior pics and, of course, the venerable hatch.

dino001

driver100

Still looks good, cool interior.
How long does it take to arrive back home?
What do you drive until it gets here?

nyccarguy

Beautiful car @dino001! That interior is gorgeous!

dino001

It takes usually 8-10 weeks, I'm taking a delivery in Spartanburg, which on its own may take a week or two to arrange, as they won't lock the date until the car clears US Customs. I'm expecting early September, late August at earliest. Last time I drpped it off on October 31st and picked it up in Spartanburg on December 23rd. I'm still having my wagon till then.

BTW, the interior is called cognac brown with burl walnut inlays.

nyccarguy

roadburner said:

That's a beauty. Love the color. I've seen some 4 series around town and I like the looks better than the 3. More details please. Engine, 0-60 etc.

It is 430i, 250 hp 2-liter turbo. Great motor, I originally thought I'd get 440, but I got over it and kept the money. I honestly don't know exact 0-60 figures, but the motor is impressive. As with Mike's 740 turbo six, the modes are distinctive, from lazy and latent Eco, to every day Comfort, to lively Sport, to semi-insane Sport Plus. New iDrive is quite intuitive, I had to get letter shapes right at first for finger letter writing (no screen touch). I hope the American navigation is a little better than that on the USB stick I got for Europe (routing was sometimes quite dumb in the hind sight and the lady's voice directions late or out of sync (multiple times she'd say turn left, when the map was showing right turn, left turn was next).

It's actually pretty quick; 0-60 in the mid fives I think. I really, REALLY like the Gran Sports. We have a Tanzanite Blue 440i xDrive M Sport in the showroom. Cognac leather with M Performance Power and Sound. If it was RWD I'd be incredibly tempted.

How much?

MSRP is $69,625; it is a 2018. Tanzanite Blue is an Individual color, meaning it adds $1950 to the cost. I think the only option it lacks is M Sport brakes...

$70k is A LOT of money for a non ///M (3 series or 4 series). Speaking of, are there any plans in the pipeline for an ///M4 Grand Coupe?

No plans for a ///M4 GC- although I also think it would be a great car. And yes, it is expensive for a 4er, but with MPPS and Adaptive M Suspension it is seriously quick. Almost as fast as an ///M3/4 but considerably less hard core.
Remind me to tell you about the M4 'vert we have that stickers for over $100k...

I'm not saying it isn't quick.  If you aren't going to track the car and want the ultimate street 440xi, this is probably the one.  I'm just saying $70K is a lot of scratch for a 4er.

Ive seen nicely optioned M3/4 with stickers in the high $70s and M4 drop tops with stickers in the $80K stratosphere.

oldfarmer50

dino001 said:

So the car is away to the truck and then ship. The dropoff process was quick. Tomorrow flying home. Here are some interior pics and, of course, the venerable hatch.

A four door hatch. You do like your unicorns.

dino001

Love them. But funny thing, they're only unicorns on this side of the Pond. There they are just common horses.

graphicguy

dino....way cool! Congrats!

dino001

Window sticker for transport.

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

That's a beauty. Love the color. I've seen some 4 series around town and I like the looks better than the 3. More details please. Engine, 0-60 etc.

It is 430i, 250 hp 2-liter turbo. Great motor, I originally thought I'd get 440, but I got over it and kept the money. I honestly don't know exact 0-60 figures, but the motor is impressive. As with Mike's 740 turbo six, the modes are distinctive, from lazy and latent Eco, to every day Comfort, to lively Sport, to semi-insane Sport Plus. New iDrive is quite intuitive, I had to get letter shapes right at first for finger letter writing (no screen touch). I hope the American navigation is a little better than that on the USB stick I got for Europe (routing was sometimes quite dumb in the hind sight and the lady's voice directions late or out of sync (multiple times she'd say turn left, when the map was showing right turn, left turn was next).

It's actually pretty quick; 0-60 in the mid fives I think. I really, REALLY like the Gran Sports. We have a Tanzanite Blue 440i xDrive M Sport in the showroom. Cognac leather with M Performance Power and Sound. If it was RWD I'd be incredibly tempted.

How much?

MSRP is $69,625; it is a 2018. Tanzanite Blue is an Individual color, meaning it adds $1950 to the cost. I think the only option it lacks is M Sport brakes...

$70k is A LOT of money for a non ///M (3 series or 4 series). Speaking of, are there any plans in the pipeline for an ///M4 Grand Coupe?

No plans for a ///M4 GC- although I also think it would be a great car. And yes, it is expensive for a 4er, but with MPPS and Adaptive M Suspension it is seriously quick. Almost as fast as an ///M3/4 but considerably less hard core.

Remind me to tell you about the M4 'vert we have that stickers for over $100k...

I'm not saying it isn't quick.  If you aren't going to track the car and want the ultimate street 440xi, this is probably the one.  I'm just saying $70K is a lot of scratch for a 4er.

Ive seen nicely optioned M3/4 with stickers in the high $70s and M4 drop tops with stickers in the $80K stratosphere.

We do have another 440 GC with fewer bells and whistles for $63K- it still has MPPS...

nyccarguy

So speaking of Grand Coupes.  Since this 428i is a LIL2FST, would the corresponding 435/440 be LOT2FST, and an ///M4 WAY2FST?

fintail

Nice parking job, way to keep up the stereotype.

nyccarguy

@fintail - if you really want to see stereotypes, check out the Left Lane Prius page on facebook!

abacomike

dino001 said:

It takes usually 8-10 weeks, I'm taking a delivery in Spartanburg, which on its own may take a week or two to arrange, as they won't lock the date until the car clears US Customs. I'm expecting early September, late August at earliest. Last time I drpped it off on October 31st and picked it up in Spartanburg on December 23rd. I'm still having my wagon till then.

BTW, the interior is called cognac brown with burl walnut inlays.

Beautiful, Dino.  I have the same exact interior color combos - you are going to love it!  I wouldn't opt for any other interior color combo.  You have great taste, Dino.  Love the exterior, too! 

imidazol97

imidazol97

Reminds me of a parking lot in Pigeon Forge at a motel decades back where a spiffy black sporty sedan used two parking places. There was white paint all over both sides in the morning to remind owner about parking when there weren't even enough spaces for all the guests without someone taking up two. I don't know if it was paint or white shoe polish, but I was kinda hoping for paint... LOL

And another picture I couldn't pass up posting. I hope some of us here will enjoy the humor in my pictorial tweets.

pensfan83

Very sharp looking car @dino001, I love the interior.

fintail

Fun site, I have seen it. It is operated by a local, here in the land of the oblivious or passive-aggressive (those two make up 99% of PNW Prius drivers).

nyccarguy said:

@fintail - if you really want to see stereotypes, check out the Left Lane Prius page on facebook!

andres3

houdini1 said:

abacomike said:

ab348 said:

Another black mark for the sales guy at my Caddy dealer: got an email from Cadillac thanking me for the purchase of a new Cadillac and asking me to do a survey on the sales process. I figured that would be fun, so I started it, but the first question was "Did you recently take delivery of a new 2017 Cadillac?" and when I said "no", the questionnaire stopped with some wording about how their information must have been wrong.

Hey, ab, what you need to do is double-check the car in your driveway (or garage) to make sure they didn't do a "slight of hand" and switch cars on you. It's pretty hard to get a sales survey without RDR'ing a new car (that's registering and recording a new car deal with the manufacturer for those of you unfamiliar with "car sales lingo")! I'd laugh my derriere off if you get a statement in the mail next month for the new car payment. It's happened to many others - so watch for it!

abacomike said:

ab348 said:

Another black mark for the sales guy at my Caddy dealer: got an email from Cadillac thanking me for the purchase of a new Cadillac and asking me to do a survey on the sales process. I figured that would be fun, so I started it, but the first question was "Did you recently take delivery of a new 2017 Cadillac?" and when I said "no", the questionnaire stopped with some wording about how their information must have been wrong.

Hey, ab, what you need to do is double-check the car in your driveway (or garage) to make sure they didn't do a "slight of hand" and switch cars on you. It's pretty hard to get a sales survey without RDR'ing a new car (that's registering and recording a new car deal with the manufacturer for those of you unfamiliar with "car sales lingo")! I'd laugh my derriere off if you get a statement in the mail next month for the new car payment. It's happened to many others - so watch for it!

Identity theft ? One ghost purchase would set off my alarm, but two, both car related ?

Anyone been counting how many black marks this salesman of @ab348 has been issued?

andres3

abacomike said:

suydam said:

abacomike said:

jmonroe said:

stickguy said:

JM, first thing I reset was that smart trunk, turning it off. Got tired of having the trunk popped every time I stopped for a couple of seconds behind the car.

There is nothing wrong with what you did IF you don't like the feature. But from listening to Mike, he likes the feature. However, you weren't playing by the rules. Hyundai clearly explains how their Smart Trunk works in the manual so you knew you shouldn't stand behind the car too long but it appears you did. You can't blame the manufacture for that.

I leave my FOB in the car (cup holder) when it is in the garage so I can stand behind my car all day and the trunk will not open. When I'm returning to the car from shopping or any other time, I don't stand behind my car unless I want the trunk to open. Again, you gotta play by the rules.

FWIW, Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy does not have the Smart Trunk option but I/we have never opened her trunk accidentally because I guess you can say she has a Smart FOB. You have to hold the trunk open button for at least 2 or 3 seconds to unlock it and when it unlocks, it just pops but doesn't open completely. Subaru isn't known for being a high tech manufacture but they got that part right.

jmonroe

How my trunk opens or closes is not very important to me so long as I can get into the trunk twice a month when I go food shopping or on the very rare trip up the coast to visit my brother when I have to put a suitcase in there. Otherwise, the trunk remains closed 98% of the time.

The issue is with the inadvertent trunk opening, not with "how the trunk opens or closes". The only change that was made to my car's programming and functioning is that now I first have to unlock the doors with my key fob before I can open the trunk with my key fob. Otherwise, the car functions exactly the way it did before the reprogramming. This is not an issue I would get bent out of shape on - I never open my trunk with my key fob anyway - I press the rubber switch under the trunk lip by the license plate recess and, so long as I have a key fob to my car on my person, the trunk opens - just like before. As for the leg under the rear bumper, I almost never use that feature - much simpler to just press the rubber switch. I am not concerned over the fact that my car does not function exactly like by brother's 740i. There are four different ways I can access my trunk:

*I can use the switch on my driver's door to release the trunk
*I can use my key fob to open the trunk once the doors are unlocked
*I can use the rubber switch on the trunk lip to open the trunk
*I can use a simple leg raise under my rear bumper to raise the trunk

Now, if my trunk again opens inadvertently, that's a different story - it would be obvious that the "fix" they used did not solve this problem. Then, I prepare for battle. But, if it "fixes" the problem, I'm a happy camper!

We hear you, but some of us wonder if the method of opening the trunk is related to why it sometimes inadvertently opens. Hope the reprogramming works.

Good point. It would seem that BMW thinks it is "fob" related or possibly "frequency" related. I don't think they are correct - I think it's some technology and/or programming flaw in my particular automobile. The trunk has inadvertently opened at the Boca Raton Mall, outside my condo and at Walmart's parking lot. We shall know for sure in the next few weeks or months. I have absolutely no intention of buying another car - so it's this car or a replacement car from BMW, nothing else.

All these problems and replacement car stories are funny to me. My folks are very biased towards Lexus. I can't blame them, the '03 ES 300 they bought in '05 and has well over 100,000 miles has been absolutely flawless according to them. Oil changes, tires, and a timing belt replacement maintenance work is as close to a repair as you can get.

As good as my Audi's have been, I can't say the same about them (pretty darn close on the S4 for 48,000 miles though).

Mr_Shiftright

imidazol97 said:

The perp has to be either an old guy or a young working class bro'. Well gee, 157 days of rain, Nude Bike Day, A Protest -a- Minute and Mt. Hood ready to blow up---I'll stay here, thanks.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

So speaking of Grand Coupes.  Since this 428i is a LIL2FST, would the corresponding 435/440 be LOT2FST, and an ///M4 WAY2FST?

Oh you just gave me a great idea for a custom plate for my Ford.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

Oh you just gave me a great idea for a custom plate for my Ford.

An idea for one is what I saw in TN. A recent Mustang turned into a driveway to attractions beside me with a smooth, rumbling exhaust note. It was sweet, not irritating. Plates said "RACE CAR."

explorerx4

For some reason, when I saw the picture of that 'limo', I expected to see a boulder rolling down the stairs.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

So speaking of Grand Coupes.  Since this 428i is a LIL2FST, would the corresponding 435/440 be LOT2FST, and an ///M4 WAY2FST?

I don't know but it is one heck of a parking job!

houdini1

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Man it's getting rough in here lately.  

@jmonroe
Just out of curiosity how's does the new Genny compare to the old in terms of ride and handling?  

I remember that you were not pleased with the ride of your '09 Genny but I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't know how much faith you'll have in my opinion with my '15.

I'd say the '15 is better. Firmer but somehow it seems to have a smoother ride than my '09. Takes curves better too. Now, don't think that means it will perform like the German makes because it won't. It has only 3 driving modes compared to more with the German cars. As you know the '09 had only one mode (Normal). The three modes for the '15 are Normal, Eco, and Sport. Son # 1 says, he'd never drive it in any mode other than Sport. He drove it back from Fairfax VA (over 300 miles) when I got it and he played with the modes many times. Therefore, he has a valid opinion for himself but he judges a car much differently than I do. Normal mode doesn't bother me but when I want to play I go to Sport, just because it's there. I almost have to force myself to go into play mode.

It doesn't excite me to take a 40 MPH posted curve at 65 MPH. 52 MPH is good enough for me. I know, not too much in the way of expectations, but like I have said before, I've never been one to get giddy about pedal mashing.

I don't know if this helps but if you are looking for a Buickish type of ride you probably won't like the new design either.

jmonroe

Seeing an old guy driving a "sports sedan" is like seeing a 70 year old woman in a mini skirt. (Ducking and running for cover).

houdini1

abacomike said:

dino001 said:

It takes usually 8-10 weeks, I'm taking a delivery in Spartanburg, which on its own may take a week or two to arrange, as they won't lock the date until the car clears US Customs. I'm expecting early September, late August at earliest. Last time I drpped it off on October 31st and picked it up in Spartanburg on December 23rd. I'm still having my wagon till then.



BTW, the interior is called cognac brown with burl walnut inlays.

Beautiful, Dino.  I have the same exact interior color combos - you are going to love it!  I wouldn't opt for any other interior color combo.  You have great taste, Dino.  Love the exterior, too! 

Many mfgs. can't seem to get that color just right, but BMW nailed it. Many are just too intense or too orangy or egg yokey, etc.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

Reminds me of a parking lot in Pigeon Forge at a motel decades back where a spiffy black sporty sedan used two parking places. There was white paint all over both sides in the morning to remind owner about parking when there weren't even enough spaces for all the guests without someone taking up two. I don't know if it was paint or white shoe polish, but I was kinda hoping for paint... LOL

And another picture I couldn't pass up posting. I hope some of us here will enjoy the humor in my pictorial tweets.

Now that is what I call being really socially conscious......and, I would like to request a Prius Hearse for the big day.

OTOH, I was behind on of these today...just the car itself, and I thought, that would make the perfect hearse:

stickguy

I thought that Prius was a hearse, not a limo. Though I guess a Hearse is just a limo for 1!

jmonroe

houdini1 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Man it's getting rough in here lately.  

@jmonroe
Just out of curiosity how's does the new Genny compare to the old in terms of ride and handling?  

I remember that you were not pleased with the ride of your '09 Genny but I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't know how much faith you'll have in my opinion with my '15.

I'd say the '15 is better. Firmer but somehow it seems to have a smoother ride than my '09. Takes curves better too. Now, don't think that means it will perform like the German makes because it won't. It has only 3 driving modes compared to more with the German cars. As you know the '09 had only one mode (Normal). The three modes for the '15 are Normal, Eco, and Sport. Son # 1 says, he'd never drive it in any mode other than Sport. He drove it back from Fairfax VA (over 300 miles) when I got it and he played with the modes many times. Therefore, he has a valid opinion for himself but he judges a car much differently than I do. Normal mode doesn't bother me but when I want to play I go to Sport, just because it's there. I almost have to force myself to go into play mode.

It doesn't excite me to take a 40 MPH posted curve at 65 MPH. 52 MPH is good enough for me. I know, not too much in the way of expectations, but like I have said before, I've never been one to get giddy about pedal mashing.

I don't know if this helps but if you are looking for a Buickish type of ride you probably won't like the new design either.

jmonroe

Seeing an old guy driving a "sports sedan" is like seeing a 70 year old woman in a mini skirt. (Ducking and running for cover).

That is almost funny that you said that.

Son #1 says I drive it like it's a station wagon. :@

jmonroe

explorerx4

OK, now I see it, a Hearse. They should have made it a flower car.

andres3

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Man it's getting rough in here lately.  

@jmonroe
Just out of curiosity how's does the new Genny compare to the old in terms of ride and handling?  

I remember that you were not pleased with the ride of your '09 Genny but I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't know how much faith you'll have in my opinion with my '15.

I'd say the '15 is better. Firmer but somehow it seems to have a smoother ride than my '09. Takes curves better too. Now, don't think that means it will perform like the German makes because it won't. It has only 3 driving modes compared to more with the German cars. As you know the '09 had only one mode (Normal). The three modes for the '15 are Normal, Eco, and Sport. Son # 1 says, he'd never drive it in any mode other than Sport. He drove it back from Fairfax VA (over 300 miles) when I got it and he played with the modes many times. Therefore, he has a valid opinion for himself but he judges a car much differently than I do. Normal mode doesn't bother me but when I want to play I go to Sport, just because it's there. I almost have to force myself to go into play mode.

It doesn't excite me to take a 40 MPH posted curve at 65 MPH. 52 MPH is good enough for me. I know, not too much in the way of expectations, but like I have said before, I've never been one to get giddy about pedal mashing.

I don't know if this helps but if you are looking for a Buickish type of ride you probably won't like the new design either.

jmonroe

Being able to take a turn quickly with a rapid rate of progress isn't about pedal mashing (although that can be fun too), but more about "saving the brakes." You can take a curvy downhill sequence without riding your brakes to maintain that 52 in a 40; why not go 62 if the car can do it comfortably?

After all, in the State of CA, 65 is the minimum "maximum speed limit." Anything posted lower is subject to the "reasonable and prudent person" standard.

explorerx4

"New pair of tires", I wonder which ones?
https://www.carmax.com/car/14689744

oldfarmer50

houdini1 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Man it's getting rough in here lately.  

@jmonroe
Just out of curiosity how's does the new Genny compare to the old in terms of ride and handling?  

I remember that you were not pleased with the ride of your '09 Genny but I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't know how much faith you'll have in my opinion with my '15.

I'd say the '15 is better. Firmer but somehow it seems to have a smoother ride than my '09. Takes curves better too. Now, don't think that means it will perform like the German makes because it won't. It has only 3 driving modes compared to more with the German cars. As you know the '09 had only one mode (Normal). The three modes for the '15 are Normal, Eco, and Sport. Son # 1 says, he'd never drive it in any mode other than Sport. He drove it back from Fairfax VA (over 300 miles) when I got it and he played with the modes many times. Therefore, he has a valid opinion for himself but he judges a car much differently than I do. Normal mode doesn't bother me but when I want to play I go to Sport, just because it's there. I almost have to force myself to go into play mode.

It doesn't excite me to take a 40 MPH posted curve at 65 MPH. 52 MPH is good enough for me. I know, not too much in the way of expectations, but like I have said before, I've never been one to get giddy about pedal mashing.

I don't know if this helps but if you are looking for a Buickish type of ride you probably won't like the new design either.

jmonroe

Seeing an old guy driving a "sports sedan" is like seeing a 70 year old woman in a mini skirt. (Ducking and running for cover).

You're catching up to us more and more every day 'grandpa'.

Switching topics:

Every time I see one of these listed it makes me want to take GG with me on my next car negotiation.

https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/6203211326.html

houdini1

jmonroe said:

houdini1 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Man it's getting rough in here lately.  

@jmonroe
Just out of curiosity how's does the new Genny compare to the old in terms of ride and handling?  

I remember that you were not pleased with the ride of your '09 Genny but I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't know how much faith you'll have in my opinion with my '15.

I'd say the '15 is better. Firmer but somehow it seems to have a smoother ride than my '09. Takes curves better too. Now, don't think that means it will perform like the German makes because it won't. It has only 3 driving modes compared to more with the German cars. As you know the '09 had only one mode (Normal). The three modes for the '15 are Normal, Eco, and Sport. Son # 1 says, he'd never drive it in any mode other than Sport. He drove it back from Fairfax VA (over 300 miles) when I got it and he played with the modes many times. Therefore, he has a valid opinion for himself but he judges a car much differently than I do. Normal mode doesn't bother me but when I want to play I go to Sport, just because it's there. I almost have to force myself to go into play mode.

It doesn't excite me to take a 40 MPH posted curve at 65 MPH. 52 MPH is good enough for me. I know, not too much in the way of expectations, but like I have said before, I've never been one to get giddy about pedal mashing.

I don't know if this helps but if you are looking for a Buickish type of ride you probably won't like the new design either.

jmonroe

Seeing an old guy driving a "sports sedan" is like seeing a 70 year old woman in a mini skirt. (Ducking and running for cover).

That is almost funny that you said that.

Son #1 says I drive it like it's a station wagon. :@

jmonroe

I don't consider the Genny to be a sports sedan. Just a very nice all around sedan. Seeing you driving the Genny is like seeing an attractive 40 year old lady in a nice knee length skirt. Age appropriate.

explorerx4

That Cobra looks a little funny. It looks like there is a piece missing from the lower rear bumper and it has some kind of aftermarket shift topper.