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snakeweasel

andres3 said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company. If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

I think this all boils down to whether a State views the insurance as following the driver or the car. I think in CA, I can't remember if the insurance follows the car or the driver. This came up in a previous claim of my wife's. An uninsured driver or automobile (can't remember which) hit my wife's car. Either the brother or the sister that had recently purchased a used car was uninsured. The sister lent the car to her brother. The brother hit my wife. Lo and behold, the Insurance company chose whichever benefited them, and denied the claim saying that the insurance followed the driver or the car, can't remember which, just that it benefited them for denying the claim.

It basically boils down to if ailment is created and the state laws regarding it. A lot of it has to do with if the place has physical possession and why. Since the dealership has physical control of the car and has it as a course of their business that is run for a profit then usually bailment has been created and the dealership insurance should cover it. 

tjc78

ab348 said:

Merged onto a busy multi-lane highway today, needed to get over in the left lane quickly. Shades of @driver100 , a big lime green garbage truck was speeding along in the lane to my immediate left as I was getting to the end of the merge lane. Put my foot into it and as Phil Rizzuto used to say, Holy Cow! That garbage skow disappeared in a hurry. This ATS is hilariously quick. Power is intoxicating.

 I like the ATS..,I would seriously consider one in two years when the Elantra is up.  One of two would be out of child care and that would open up a signicant amount of cash flow for something like that.  

driver100

ab348 said:

Merged onto a busy multi-lane highway today, needed to get over in the left lane quickly. Shades of @driver100 , a big lime green garbage truck was speeding along in the lane to my immediate left as I was getting to the end of the merge lane. Put my foot into it and as Phil Rizzuto used to say, Holy Cow! That garbage skow disappeared in a hurry. This ATS is hilariously quick. Power is intoxicating.

Power is safety.
I have had to stomp it a few times to enter highways around here and I am so thankful I have that turbo boost action. I really appreciate it after the gutless Passat. The more horses the better I say.

driver100

oldfarmer
Especially so being a Mitsubishi.
Oh, such a snob. I wouldn't have a problem with a Mitsu especially if it was an Eclipse Spyder. My Mitsu was pretty much flawless

Mitsu makes a good car...not all models but many are excellent. At first I thought that car was a Toyota but then I saw the Mitsu logo on the trunk, and I thought......$4000 worth of damage...why would you sell a car in that condition? Then i thought.....I wouldn't pay that for any car in that condition, but, especially not a Mitsu where dealers and parts are sparse. If a car needs repairs then you want something very popular...it's hard tracking down parts for a rare model........nothing bias about the make, just a fact.

stickguy

I had to stand on the Elantra today too. Was at a red light in the RH merge lane, with a short window to get out of it. Next to a Lexus ES. Light changed, punched it, and had no problem losing the Lexus. It really does move out nicely.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

andres3 said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furiousident 

sounds like typical insurance shenanigans. I always go through the other person's at-fault insurance company on a claim. I go direct to the source. Your own insurance company, while getting checks from you on a regular basis, doesn't really give a damn about you.

I am not to sure about that, my last accident the other drivers insurance company wanted to assign part of the blame on me. My insurance company fought that tooth and nail.

My overall experience with my companies claims department has been rather please. 

USAA? Amico? Those seem to be top tier, with the rest far behind. I always get the "we never sue anyone because it costs too much" line. 

I am with State Farm.

As for sueing someone I do believe that insurance companies do binding arbitration.

As you know, I switched my car insurance to the little reptilian company on 11/30/18.  Well, I went back to the statue company today because they ended up $200 a year less.  Also took out a $1 million umbrella.  But my auto insurance is $2280 a year which is a lot.  My brother’s is $1500 for his S Coupe.  Insurance down here is exhorbitant because of Florida’s “no fault” law.  I have to carry PIP (personal injury protection) which is over $300 a year in addition to my other coverages.  That is robbery.  And the PIP has a $1000 deductible.

They have been trying to repeal the no fault clause but the lawyers and chiropractors and rehab lobbyists control this issue.  Pathetic!

stickguy

speaking of the ATS, will put that on the list for the summer if I go back into the market. At this point, thinking I probably just keep the Sport and figure out something else for the princess. But that of course is subject to change. Will certainly have some more fun looking at nicer stuff this time. Off top of my head, the Volvo S60, and ATS, TLX, next gen Jetta/GLI, Accord, upcoming small Genesis. CR-V. redesigned Mazda 6 if it is out. Heck, might take out a base engine Giulia and a Stinger.

stickguy

can't wait until the car show next month to actually see all of these!

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

Merged onto a busy multi-lane highway today, needed to get over in the left lane quickly. Shades of @driver100 , a big lime green garbage truck was speeding along in the lane to my immediate left as I was getting to the end of the merge lane. Put my foot into it and as Phil Rizzuto used to say, Holy Cow! That garbage skow disappeared in a hurry. This ATS is hilariously quick. Power is intoxicating.

Isn't that why you bought the performance version? Don't tell me that's the first time you stood on it? That would just be wrong.

No, not the first time. It just feels so good when you do it. I hope you don't talk only about your first time, OF.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

I agree with RB the dealer is responsible for ALL damage.

I also agree. Dealer is responsible and liable. There is a legal difference in an individual loaning his car to a friend and an individual entrusting his car to a business that deals in selling and/or repairing autos. In the repair shop situation, the car is legally in their care, custody, and control. There is a specific insurance product that deals with this situation for dealerships. Garage Liability. Don't let them off the hook.

The only way they could deny liability is to claim that they didn't cause the damage. In other words, that your FIL is lying.

houdini1

abacomike said:

This morning on my way back from my morning walk, I saw a 2018 Toyota Camry - looked like a special edition or it was decked out by the driver. Discounting the front end, the car is one of the best looking cars I've seen lately. Sides and rear end are really good looking. Unfortunately, the front grille work is beginning to resemble the front end of Lexus vehicles which, in my opinion, leave much to be desired in terms of design. But for a car that MSRP's for around $24,000, it sure is a nice car.

I agree Mike. The Camry is such a good overall car I think Toyota has to make that grill kind of ugly so some will move up to the Avalon or a Lexus. I also agree that Lexus is off the chain with their grills, kind of like Acura was with "The Beak" grills, and just as stubborn.

bwia

houdini1 said:

abacomike said:

This morning on my way back from my morning walk, I saw a 2018 Toyota Camry - looked like a special edition or it was decked out by the driver. Discounting the front end, the car is one of the best looking cars I've seen lately. Sides and rear end are really good looking. Unfortunately, the front grille work is beginning to resemble the front end of Lexus vehicles which, in my opinion, leave much to be desired in terms of design. But for a car that MSRP's for around $24,000, it sure is a nice car.

I agree Mike. The Camry is such a good overall car I think Toyota has to make that grill kind of ugly so some will move up to the Avalon or a Lexus. I also agree that Lexus is off the chain with their grills, kind of like Acura was with "The Beak" grills, and just as stubborn.

Ditto on the Camry...as to the grill, it is just not my taste. But I can understand why Toyota and Lexus have moved to the garish spindle grill design language. For a long time the Camry's age demographic has been shifting toward the Medicare universe. To bring in younger buyers Toyota and Lexus have shifted to more expressive (read: loud) designs and no doubt it seems to be working. In the process, they have distanced themselves from dinosaurs like us.

iluvmysephia1

2017 Mitsubishi Lancer ES 5-speed sedan

oldfarmer50 and I both stick up for Mitsubishi because we spent American greenback on one of 'em! I bought my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS on March 21, 2007. I made the decision to buy one and the dealer that had my color was in Avondale, AZ, which is only about 6 miles or so west of Phoenix. We lived in little 'ole Willcox, AZ, which is on I-10 in SE Arizona. The young man on the phone said yes, it's a 5-speed stick. When I got there the Lancer GTS in Rally Red was a CVT automatic. My wife and I agreed to buy the car, even though I really wanted a stick. She felt like, even though she doesn't drive, our son may want or we may need him to drive it one day. Turned out ta be true - even though he did a complete 180 in the car going west on I-90 on the extreme eastern edge of Idaho. It was nasty cold, icy, snowy and slick. He did the 180 and a semi came up on him and had to stop. He regained his bearings and turned the car completely westward again and continued his travels behind my wife and I, who were in a U-Haul truck heading to Kellogg, ID, where I was slated to begin a Cardio-Rehab position in early 2011. Wow - our young man did pretty well - he was shaken up. I was following him with the U-Haul's side mirror. When I no longer saw him I told Mrs. iluvmysephia1 "oh-oh. I don't see the Lancer's headlights anymore. At all!"

We were freaking. He didn't have a cell phone then (Jan. of 2011) and so we couldn't get a hold of him. We pulled in to a parking lot in Kellogg and just waited for him. It was tough because we didn't know what had happened to him. He showed up somewhat worse for the weather - emotionally. He was unhurt, the Lancer was fine, but our son felt like I was dancing the fine line of caring about my beautiful red car more than his safety and health. Completely untrue. Of course!

Man, I thought Mitsubishi was done selling the Lancer. If I bought one in 5-speed stick will Mitsubishi be around any more to service it? The answer is yes. Mitsubishi Corporate would love Mitsubishi Motors ta make beau-coup dollars and winny it up - throwing dollars into the air with a wonderful glee. But they don't sell bunches of cars in North America. Here's what you need to understand about them: they don't need your sale. You see, I've read up on Mitsubishi's center core in Japan and their business ideology. They are big and large and huge, boys. They are Japan's largest trading Company. Worldwide maker of electrical products. They have 7 lines of business: Finance, Banking, Energy, Machinery, Chemicals, Food and Automobiles. They give enormous value in their automobiles - I view them as the Kia Motors of Japan. I used to believe that Fo-Mo-Co could step heel-ta-toe with Mitsubishi in that manner, but I no longer do. Buying a new Ford would be to me just plain too much work. I like Warranty service, but I don't want to rely on it for 50% of my driving time. I mean real-ha-heel-ha-reeeeallllyyyy Ford!

I like this little nugget I found at a Mitsubishi dealer we've been to before for Lancer service when we lived in Alamogordo, NM. Sisbarro Mitsubishi - just a fantastic dealer. This Lancer ES 5-speed in a beautiful shade of pearl grey is only $17,995 at Sisbarro Mitsubishi. On the way home to Alamogordo, NM, one night I hit a coyote. We went up and down and crushed the poor little guy. Eventually drove the 70 miles west back to Las Cruces to Sisbarro Mitubishi. This is the Mitsu store where one of their workers slipped underneath the front grille and popped out a dent in the valance down there for me that was caused by the doomed coyote. Pop! Fixed it and didn't charge me a dime for it. You don't think I won't remember that? Of course I will. I had that Mitsubishi Lancer GTS 130,000 miles when it's serpentine belt broke on June 30, 2014 in the hot afternoon sun going south in NM 54 heading in to El Paso. I had followed it's service schedule faithfully. At that time, Mitsubishi Corporate knew of their faulty serpentine belts "that might fail prematurely." Well, ours did. Complete engine loss. Traded the paid off hulk of the car for this 2011 Kia Soul, which has been a great rig for us.

Mitsubishi wouldn't give us any quarter back at all.

"Could you throw us a bone for our trouble," we asked on their Company customer service line.

"No, we can't. You should have called us immediately after your Lancer broke down and we could have helped you then."

What? Umm...all we could concentrate on was getting competent wheels underneath our feet at that time. So we got nothing. Even though our Mitsubishi Lancer got pretty much diddly support for not paying off the press enoughfrom the American press, that car, car nuts, was a little screamer. I am re-kindling my desire to drive one of these cars again. If they discounted even deeper, I would dig in my heels a bit more. The car was a dream to drive, looked great, and handled on a dime. The paddle-shifters worked very well and didn't detract from the experience, only added to it. The car was a ball ta drive.

The press wasn't given enough red jelly donuts with a plop of red raspberry in a circle in the middle, I guess.



Any of you rockers remember that Deep Purple tune 'Highway Star? Houston that. That describes me and my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. I might have just opened up a brand new can of Whoop-&^% for myself. I think I'm gonna head Mitsubishi way and point that car nose-ta-nose at the 2017 and/on Toyota Yaris iA in a competition of sorts. Just while I continue to drive and enjoy the 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed. And continue paying it off, yes.

suydam

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

qbrozen

suydam said:

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

Well, hell, if it wasn't that, the tranny was destined to give up the ghost anyway.

qbrozen

No need for the Mitsu lovefest. The original comment I believe had much more to do with its horrible resale value, which none of us here is responsible for. The wrecked car is worth next to nothing even if it wasn't damaged.

iluvmysephia1

End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

Bingo-boingo-bango, suydam. Here's my stance. Oh, man, I still remember my test drive in suburban Avondale. My saleslady had just bought a Volvo 60 and regretted not buying a Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. I kid you not. I was trying my best to get my wife excited about the car as we cruised along Avondale streets.

I am going to make an exception to this...rule. I am putting this Lancer SE in to my personal iluvmysephia1 car dance and see where it takes me. It may be 3 more years before I make a trade. It may be less. Even though Sisbarro is a good dealer, they probably won't dig giving me $6,500 for my 2011 Kia Soul. Would they? But, one thing I've learned in life. If you don't ask, you can not get. Right? I owe about $7,000 still and it values out at around $3,500 right now on the dealer trade market. Hey, qbrozen, is that $3,500 clean and upstanding at this time?

roadburner

houdini1 said:

The only way they could deny liability is to claim that they didn't cause the damage. In other words, that your FIL is lying.

At my dealership the Service Advisor walked around the customers car in the service drive and noted any damage before the car was serviced. The customer signed off as well.

stickguy

you could always sell privately when the time comes, and probably get some more out of it. Of course, then you have to deal with getting it paid off first.

iluvmysephia1

Houston that, stick. I love it when an old friend comes to visit.
iluv's 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

Mitsubishi is good. Real good. And crapped upon in America. Oh well. Not my loss.

oldfarmer50

suydam said:

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

I think every brand has horror stories. When my 86' Toyota pick up blew a head gasket (for the first time) I got it fixed at the closest shop. I asked the dealer if they would step up since it was still under milage (although over on time) warranty. Nope, they said since I didn't bring it to them. I tried to explain that driving it to them would have ruined the engine and their response was too bad, should have towed it a hundred miles.

ab348

suydam said:

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

Did that Plymouth minivan come equipped with a Mitsubishi engine as many of them did?

jwm40517

Regarding the dealer wrecked Outback, I do not remember reading about who was at fault in the accident that damaged the car.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

I think every brand has horror stories. When my 86' Toyota pick up blew a head gasket (for the first time) I got it fixed at the closest shop. I asked the dealer if they would step up since it was still under milage (although over on time) warranty. Nope, they said since I didn't bring it to them. I tried to explain that driving it to them would have ruined the engine and their response was too bad, should have towed it a hundred miles.

Too many horror stories lead to bailouts, bankruptcy, and/or both.

suydam

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

That happened to us many many years ago with a Plymouth (remember them) minivan. Stopped dead crossing a train track. Five years old. We had just had the car serviced. Neither Chrysler nor the dealership would admit to any problem. Turns out they knew their belts were wearing prematurely and had a silent dealer notice to replace them. End of buying Chrysler vehicles for me.

I think every brand has horror stories. When my 86' Toyota pick up blew a head gasket (for the first time) I got it fixed at the closest shop. I asked the dealer if they would step up since it was still under milage (although over on time) warranty. Nope, they said since I didn't bring it to them. I tried to explain that driving it to them would have ruined the engine and their response was too bad, should have towed it a hundred miles.

True that. If it’s your horror story you remember it forever. So much good will lost. OTOH if dealers treat you well you remember that too.

driver100

jwm40517 said:

Regarding the dealer wrecked Outback, I do not remember reading about who was at fault in the accident that damaged the car.

I don't think we ever found out who caused the accident, but it raises an interesting point. If it was the 3rd party why isn't their insurance paying up, and if it was the dealers employee, why do they think they are off the hook.

I got the car washed today at American Car Wash and it was busy. I noticed some of those kids drive some very expensive cars around at a pretty fast clip, and sometimes line them up pretty close to each other. I am sure they can handle it....but, what if they did have an accident.....does that mean my insurance should pay since I gave them permission to drive my car.....I don't think so. When your business is providing a service you take on the responsibility of taking care of your customers items.

driver100

iluv, are you trying to win the JMonroe longest post award for the month of Dec and possibly for 2017?

nyccarguy

jwm40517 said:

Regarding the dealer wrecked Outback, I do not remember reading about who was at fault in the accident that damaged the car.

I'm not sure.  I haven't seen the police report.

nyccarguy

For those of you who don't follow Chronic Car Buyers Anonymou, I am picking up a new Pilot Touring AWD on Saturday.

isellhondas

oldfarmer50 said:

How much to fix this? I'm guessing $4k seeing that the metal under the C pillar is warped and the back window was blown out. Seller claims a motor bike hit him. Hmmmmm. Says he drove it for years but it looks like a temp plate. Doesn't smell right.

It looks like a total for sure!

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

looks a whole lot like a Civic.

You know, the old Insight was ugly but it actually drove a damn sight better than it looked!

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

How much to fix this? I'm guessing $4k seeing that the metal under the C pillar is warped and the back window was blown out. Seller claims a motor bike hit him. Hmmmmm. Says he drove it for years but it looks like a temp plate. Doesn't smell right.

Way more than $4K OF. That car is seriously hurt. Junkyard I'm afraid.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

jwm40517 said:

Regarding the dealer wrecked Outback, I do not remember reading about who was at fault in the accident that damaged the car.

I'm not sure.  I haven't seen the police report.

Who was at fault there is between them and the dealer to sort out later. Your FIL should get paid NOW. IMO he should be paid for DV and bump in insurance too.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

For those of you who don't follow Chronic Car Buyers Anonymou, I am picking up a new Pilot Touring AWD on Saturday.

Repost pictures and your buying experience here.

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How much to fix this? I'm guessing $4k seeing that the metal under the C pillar is warped and the back window was blown out. Seller claims a motor bike hit him. Hmmmmm. Says he drove it for years but it looks like a temp plate. Doesn't smell right.

Way more than $4K OF. That car is seriously hurt. Junkyard I'm afraid.

That's why I posted the picture. Seller was asking $1000. Just wondered how delusional he was. A $3000 car with $4k in damage and $1000 buy in didn't make sense.

pensfan83

One of my best friends has a 2010 Lancer GTS. Its served him well but from the get go I always thought the motor was too buzzy, it sounded like a tin can when you closed a door or the trunk with any authority, and was generally underwhelming to drive. The fact they haven't been updated in 10+ years shows the high regard Mitsu holds them in....

explorerx4

I'm not going over to CCBA. It's bad enough one of my kids is sending me links to cars they want me to buy.
Today she even Facetimed me to show me a car!

isellhondas

iluvmysephia1 said:

2017 Mitsubishi Lancer ES 5-speed sedan

oldfarmer50 and I both stick up for Mitsubishi because we spent American greenback on one of 'em! I bought my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS on March 21, 2007. I made the decision to buy one and the dealer that had my color was in Avondale, AZ, which is only about 6 miles or so west of Phoenix. We lived in little 'ole Willcox, AZ, which is on I-10 in SE Arizona. The young man on the phone said yes, it's a 5-speed stick. When I got there the Lancer GTS in Rally Red was a CVT automatic. My wife and I agreed to buy the car, even though I really wanted a stick. She felt like, even though she doesn't drive, our son may want or we may need him to drive it one day. Turned out ta be true - even though he did a complete 180 in the car going west on I-90 on the extreme eastern edge of Idaho. It was nasty cold, icy, snowy and slick. He did the 180 and a semi came up on him and had to stop. He regained his bearings and turned the car completely westward again and continued his travels behind my wife and I, who were in a U-Haul truck heading to Kellogg, ID, where I was slated to begin a Cardio-Rehab position in early 2011. Wow - our young man did pretty well - he was shaken up. I was following him with the U-Haul's side mirror. When I no longer saw him I told Mrs. iluvmysephia1 "oh-oh. I don't see the Lancer's headlights anymore. At all!"

We were freaking. He didn't have a cell phone then (Jan. of 2011) and so we couldn't get a hold of him. We pulled in to a parking lot in Kellogg and just waited for him. It was tough because we didn't know what had happened to him. He showed up somewhat worse for the weather - emotionally. He was unhurt, the Lancer was fine, but our son felt like I was dancing the fine line of caring about my beautiful red car more than his safety and health. Completely untrue. Of course!

Man, I thought Mitsubishi was done selling the Lancer. If I bought one in 5-speed stick will Mitsubishi be around any more to service it? The answer is yes. Mitsubishi Corporate would love Mitsubishi Motors ta make beau-coup dollars and winny it up - throwing dollars into the air with a wonderful glee. But they don't sell bunches of cars in North America. Here's what you need to understand about them: they don't need your sale. You see, I've read up on Mitsubishi's center core in Japan and their business ideology. They are big and large and huge, boys. They are Japan's largest trading Company. Worldwide maker of electrical products. They have 7 lines of business: Finance, Banking, Energy, Machinery, Chemicals, Food and Automobiles. They give enormous value in their automobiles - I view them as the Kia Motors of Japan. I used to believe that Fo-Mo-Co could step heel-ta-toe with Mitsubishi in that manner, but I no longer do. Buying a new Ford would be to me just plain too much work. I like Warranty service, but I don't want to rely on it for 50% of my driving time. I mean real-ha-heel-ha-reeeeallllyyyy Ford!

I like this little nugget I found at a Mitsubishi dealer we've been to before for Lancer service when we lived in Alamogordo, NM. Sisbarro Mitsubishi - just a fantastic dealer. This Lancer ES 5-speed in a beautiful shade of pearl grey is only $17,995 at Sisbarro Mitsubishi. On the way home to Alamogordo, NM, one night I hit a coyote. We went up and down and crushed the poor little guy. Eventually drove the 70 miles west back to Las Cruces to Sisbarro Mitubishi. This is the Mitsu store where one of their workers slipped underneath the front grille and popped out a dent in the valance down there for me that was caused by the doomed coyote. Pop! Fixed it and didn't charge me a dime for it. You don't think I won't remember that? Of course I will. I had that Mitsubishi Lancer GTS 130,000 miles when it's serpentine belt broke on June 30, 2014 in the hot afternoon sun going south in NM 54 heading in to El Paso. I had followed it's service schedule faithfully. At that time, Mitsubishi Corporate knew of their faulty serpentine belts "that might fail prematurely." Well, ours did. Complete engine loss. Traded the paid off hulk of the car for this 2011 Kia Soul, which has been a great rig for us.

Mitsubishi wouldn't give us any quarter back at all.

"Could you throw us a bone for our trouble," we asked on their Company customer service line.

"No, we can't. You should have called us immediately after your Lancer broke down and we could have helped you then."

What? Umm...all we could concentrate on was getting competent wheels underneath our feet at that time. So we got nothing. Even though our Mitsubishi Lancer got pretty much diddly support for not paying off the press enoughfrom the American press, that car, car nuts, was a little screamer. I am re-kindling my desire to drive one of these cars again. If they discounted even deeper, I would dig in my heels a bit more. The car was a dream to drive, looked great, and handled on a dime. The paddle-shifters worked very well and didn't detract from the experience, only added to it. The car was a ball ta drive.

The press wasn't given enough red jelly donuts with a plop of red raspberry in a circle in the middle, I guess.



Any of you rockers remember that Deep Purple tune 'Highway Star? Houston that. That describes me and my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. I might have just opened up a brand new can of Whoop-&^% for myself. I think I'm gonna head Mitsubishi way and point that car nose-ta-nose at the 2017 and/on Toyota Yaris iA in a competition of sorts. Just while I continue to drive and enjoy the 2011 Kia Soul 5-speed. And continue paying it off, yes.

I want to make sure I understood...a serpentine belt breaks at a whopping 130,000 miles and that is "premature" failure? I usually change mine around 75,000 miles just "because". Guess I'll keep doing that!

isellhondas

Me BIL has a (I think) 2012 Outlander with 100,000 miles that has been flawless. Aside from miserable resale value which he doesn't care about they are a LOT of car for the money. Very few dealers around to service though.

cdnpinhead

ab348 said:

Did that Plymouth minivan come equipped with a Mitsubishi engine as many of them did?

Well, our '86 2.6 litre 4 cylinder was definitely a Mitsu engine, and it served us quite well, other than the freeze plug replacement I had to do, mostly because I bought a dealer courtesy vehicle that had clearly sat for some time with low coolant. No telling what the real story was.

Either way, the engine was okay, barring the carb crap that was going on back in those days, prior to fuel injection for everything.

stickguy

explorerx4 said:

I'm not going over to CCBA. It's bad enough one of my kids is sending me links to cars they want me to buy.
Today she even Facetimed me to show me a car!

Should give her my sons number. He does that to me.

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How much to fix this? I'm guessing $4k seeing that the metal under the C pillar is warped and the back window was blown out. Seller claims a motor bike hit him. Hmmmmm. Says he drove it for years but it looks like a temp plate. Doesn't smell right.

Way more than $4K OF. That car is seriously hurt. Junkyard I'm afraid.

That's why I posted the picture. Seller was asking $1000. Just wondered how delusional he was. A $3000 car with $4k in damage and $1000 buy in didn't make sense.

If you or someone you know wants it for some reason, find out what a junkyard would pay for it and offer that.

nyccarguy

Here's a re-post from CCBA:

A few weeks ago (as you all know), my wife's 2011 Pilot had a slight mishap. After 6 1/2 years and a little over 100,000 miles the alternator gave up (thankfully, in our driveway). I do realize that an alternator and battery are wear items. it did however make me think about upcoming maintenance (timing belt, tensioner, water pump, spark plugs, brake fluid, transmission fluid, coolant flush, differential fluid), any potential repairs (front axles) and anything else that is due to wear out in the next year (tires & struts). Then I asked @qbrozen how much he thought our Pilot was worth. $10,000 - $10,500.

I thought to myself that $10K could go towards a nice home improvement project. If I could find a 3 row SUV that leases well (high residual, low money factor, big discount off sticker) for 36 months/15K miles per year that I would "cash out" and get my wife a new SUV. This is the part of the story where I hear Craig (@isellhondas) screaming into my ear. "It isn't a good deal if the car isn't the right car." I started poking my head into the leasing threads. Some of them have money factors damn close to ZERO (Durango, Explorer), others have lots of lease cash (Sorrento), while others have very strong (inflated) residuals (Highlander XLE). I even checked out the MDX. The biggest problem with many of these is that there isn't a whole helluva lot of room in the 3rd row and with the 3rd row "up," you can't fit much more than a duffel bag behind it.

Pilot leases stink. Their residuals are average (54% for an AWD Touring) and the money factor is extremely high at .0021 which equates to 5.04%. Lease payments came out to a little under $600 per month ($0 down, taxes & acq fee rolled in). For comparison, a Highlander XLE would have been about $416 per month.

I got a message from @28firefighter who found out that there's a credit union on Long Island that will lease out Pilots at a much more palatable 57% residual and money factor equal to 3.something percent. The payments would have worked out to be about $120 per month less. Great! Where do I sign? Not so fast. In order to qualify for that lease, the vehicle must be registered in New York State. Back to the drawing board.

I call up the Sales Manager from Mt Kisco Honda, about 1/2 hour away from me in Westchester County, NY ($75 capped doc fees & no conveyance fees). He recently made an excellent, easy deal for my best friend who bought a Fit as a delivery car. I tell him what I'm looking for (2017 Pilot Touring AWD in Obsidian Blue). He quotes me a below invoice price right off the bat, tells me the SUV is not in stock but he can get it. He asks me what I'm trading in and how much I'm looking to get for it (2011 Polished Metal Metallic 4WD Pilot EXL w/ Navigation, $10,500). He tells me that sounds right, but it might be a little high. I'll have to see your trade.

I ran the Pilot through the car wash yesterday AM, spent about an hour with some compound and my orbital on the hood and front 1/4 panels, drove up there after work. Done! We pick it up Saturday.

I took the 0.9% financing for 60 months and put the $10,500 down. Thanks for listening to me. I appreciate all of your support.

nyccarguy

Here's the best part. I was talking to the sales manager and asked him if they had a demo that I could drive home to see if it fits in my garage.

"Yes. Of course. When would you like me to have a salesman bring it to your house?"

With the tail gate up, there is maybe 1" clearance between it and the top of the garage.

This was by far and away, the easiest vehicle purchase. Great price on the new car, got what I wanted on the trade, test drive from my house...

isellhondas

Sounds good for both parties. They will do the T-Belt and other stuff and have a nice used Pilot to sell and you will have a new one to drive around in. Is it me or did they downsize those new Pilots? I had one alongside me the other day and it just looked smaller for some reason. Maybe it was just me?

Mr_Shiftright

You mean you're getting smaller?

nyccarguy

isellhondas said:

Sounds good for both parties. They will do the T-Belt and other stuff and have a nice used Pilot to sell and you will have a new one to drive around in. Is it me or did they downsize those new Pilots? I had one alongside me the other day and it just looked smaller for some reason. Maybe it was just me?

It is bigger. Longer and Wider.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

For those of you who don't follow Chronic Car Buyers Anonymou, I am picking up a new Pilot Touring AWD on Saturday.

Wow...you don't mess around nyc. How about copy and pasting or giving me the link...I am too lazy to try and find it, but, congratulations and best of luck.

What was the deciding factor that made you move ahead, was the Oscar Wilde quote?

“Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.”

― Oscar Wilde

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

You mean you're getting smaller?

Maybe isell is getting larger so the Pilot seems smaller.

driver100

NYC, thanks for posting the story...it was a good one....nice and easy.

No drama, no walking out, no eating a sandwich, no throwing a tantrum in the showroom.
Enjoy the new car. There were many cars that I bought and I worried after if I did the right thing....but, I never regret buying any of them....it always worked out for the best.