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driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

roadburner said:

It's simply amazing what you can learn on some Edmunds topics; today I was informed that you should NOT adjust your mirrors to eliminate blind spots- because you won't be able to monitor whether your fuel filler door is open or not...

That's important for mid-air refueling! Didn't you know?

I wonder if they have a little picture on their gas gauge?

Maybe it depends on which tank is empty:

Mr_Shiftright

It would be great if the shop intervened and just took up the claim, but I don't think they have to, right off the bat.

I mean, if they don't offer that, what's the guy to do? Just let his car sit there wrecked?

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

I agree with RB the dealer is responsible for ALL damage.

pensfan83

The plate caught my eye. One of the cleanest 1980's era Firebirds I've seen in awhile. Also one of the most unique, majority are 6 or 8 cylinder.

28firefighter

I feel like if there is ever a city in which you'd find a pristine 1980s Firebird, Pittsburgh would be the town...

Can't wait until non-stop flights start from Seattle so I can get back easily to visit.

jmonroe

28firefighter said:

I feel like if there is ever a city in which you'd find a pristine 1980s Firebird, Pittsburgh would be the town...

Can't wait until non-stop flights start from Seattle so I can get back easily to visit.

Well, when Amazon #2 comes to the Burgh, you'll get your wish.

jmonroe

28firefighter

jmonroe said:

28firefighter said:

I feel like if there is ever a city in which you'd find a pristine 1980s Firebird, Pittsburgh would be the town...

Can't wait until non-stop flights start from Seattle so I can get back easily to visit.

Well, when Amazon #2 comes to the Burgh, you'll get your wish.

jmonroe

Sooner than that! Alaska Airline is starting nonstop flights next year.

qbrozen

Can somebody school me on why that would have GNX DNA?

stickguy

must be one of the turbo birds? Did they have the 3.8 V6? Or just a little 301 V8 turbo?

edit: looked it up, seems like just the 301. I guess the turbo is the DNA reference, unless that car had an engine swap.

pensfan83

I thought all turbo trans am's had the 3.8 V6, same as the GNX.

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

I agree with RB the dealer is responsible for ALL damage.

Yeah I wasn't arguing that--I was just sayin' that his insurance company may have to fork up initially. It's not uncommon for dealers to try and blow people off in these circumstances, sad to say.

explorerx4

There was a 3.8 turbo Trans Am.
http://89tta.turbobuicks.net/
Years earlier there was the 4.9 turbo model.
https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/pontiac-trans-am-turbo/

pensfan83

Funny how it's "only" rated at 250 HP to allow the Corvette to save face.

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CPYUY9kUXAE

stickguy

looks a whole lot like a Civic.

sda

stickguy said:

looks a whole lot like a Civic.

And better looking

fordfool

oldfarmer50 said:

This is the car I wanted more than
a Mustang back in the day. Is that a fair price? 23k miles sounds hard to believe.



https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/1968-mercury-cougar-xr7-gt/6396065044.html

Well the MSRP on my 1968 XR-7 with Select-Shift automatic, deluxe wheel covers,
upgraded tires, radio, tinted glass, oxford roof, and ps/pb was $3527.61 and $2175
after tax and my trade. So somebody's making a buck. But I do agree, it is a nice,
sporty looking ride. After all, I voted with my wallet.

fordfool

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

5 digit odometer, 50 year old car apparently with no mileage-related documents - you'll never prove it at 23K or 123K or 223K.

First time he changed the oil he discovered it had been filled with motor honey and now smoked like a California wild fire. Had to have the engine rebuilt.

Nothing like 90W differential oil to quiet down a noisy engine. :@

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

There was a 3.8 turbo Trans Am. http://89tta.turbobuicks.net/ Years earlier there was the 4.9 turbo model. https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/pontiac-trans-am-turbo/

Ah. Interesting. Thanks.
i had googled turbo firebird but did not come upon that, only the aforementioned 301.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

5 digit odometer, 50 year old car apparently with no mileage-related documents - you'll never prove it at 23K or 123K or 223K. I am a little concerned about a low mileage car needing paint, as people love original surfaces these days. If it had sun damage, I would expect the interior to be likewise, maybe they have both been replaced.

Reminds me of my parents trading in a 50something Ford back in the mid 60's with 50K on the odometer. The salesman kept trying to get my parents to say that the car had 150K on it and my parents kept saying that it didn't have 150K on it. The truth was the car had 250K on it. 

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

5 digit odometer, 50 year old car apparently with no mileage-related documents - you'll never prove it at 23K or 123K or 223K.

I am a little concerned about a low mileage car needing paint, as people love original surfaces these days. If it had sun damage, I would expect the interior to be likewise, maybe they have both been replaced.

Reminds me of my parents trading in a 50something Ford back in the mid 60's with 50K on the odometer. The salesman kept trying to get my parents to say that the car had 150K on it and my parents kept saying that it didn't have 150K on it. The truth was the car had 250K on it. 

A 50s car that made it to 250k? They should have sold it to a museum.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

5 digit odometer, 50 year old car apparently with no mileage-related documents - you'll never prove it at 23K or 123K or 223K. I am a little concerned about a low mileage car needing paint, as people love original surfaces these days. If it had sun damage, I would expect the interior to be likewise, maybe they have both been replaced.

Reminds me of my parents trading in a 50something Ford back in the mid 60's with 50K on the odometer. The salesman kept trying to get my parents to say that the car had 150K on it and my parents kept saying that it didn't have 150K on it. The truth was the car had 250K on it. 

A 50s car that made it to 250k? They should have sold it to a museum.

That it did, it helped that my uncle owned a service station, I remember being there a lot as the car was being worked on. That and my dad driving well over 20K a year in commuting really ran up those miles. 

I have often wondered how many miles that car had just from my uncle's tow truck. 

driver100

I drove taxi cabs when I was going to teacher's college, 1967 to 68 about. One guy had an immaculate 1966 Ford that had almost 300,000 miles on it....one of the nicest cars on the fleet.


He did all the work on it himself, and it looked like a brand new car. He even had full wheel discs and white wall tires.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

I drove taxi cabs when I was going to teacher's college, 1967 to 68 about. One guy had an immaculate 1966 Ford that had almost 300,000 miles on it....one of the nicest cars on the fleet.


He did all the work on it himself, and it looked like a brand new car. He even had full wheel discs and white wall tires.

That guy must have put a few trannies in it. My father owned a 65 Galaxy like that and the transmission was not the best.

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

There was a 3.8 turbo Trans Am.
http://89tta.turbobuicks.net/
Years earlier there was the 4.9 turbo model.
https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/pontiac-trans-am-turbo/

I sent that picture to my Cousin who is a huge Grand National fan. I think it would be a cool car to own.

iluvmysephia1

That's a Spartan taxicab.

andres3

nyccarguy said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furious

sounds like typical insurance company shenanigans. I always go through the other person's at-fault insurance company on a claim. I go direct to the source. Your own insurance company, while getting checks from you on a regular basis, doesn't really give a damn about you.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furiousident 

sounds like typical insurance shenanigans. I always go through the other person's at-fault insurance company on a claim. I go direct to the source. Your own insurance company, while getting checks from you on a regular basis, doesn't really give a damn about you.

I am not to sure about that, my last accident the other drivers insurance company wanted to assign part of the blame on me. My insurance company fought that tooth and nail.

My overall experience with my companies claims department has been rather please. 

abacomike

This morning on my way back from my morning walk, I saw a 2018 Toyota Camry - looked like a special edition or it was decked out by the driver. Discounting the front end, the car is one of the best looking cars I've seen lately. Sides and rear end are really good looking. Unfortunately, the front grille work is beginning to resemble the front end of Lexus vehicles which, in my opinion, leave much to be desired in terms of design. But for a car that MSRP's for around $24,000, it sure is a nice car.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:

nyccarguy said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furious

How can anyone blame him for being angry? That's about a 9.9 on the suck-o-meter.

Something similar happened to my wife quite some time ago. A guy backed into her in a parking lot. For some reason our insurance company decided it was her fault. We haven't had insurance with State Farm for the last 15 years because of it.

Your agent should be able to help - if he wants to. Ours didn't seem to want to get involved.

I think I told the story before how a guy having a mental breakdown dropped a telephone pole on my truck as I drove by his house. He was taken away by police in an ambulance. Months later I found that DMV had me listed as being involved in a personal injury accident even though I only had contact with the end of the pole as it tore off my fender. Had a devil of a time clearing that up.

That should be a comprehensive claim, sort of like lighting striking. Of course, Insurance has never been accused of being sensible or logical.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furiousident 

sounds like typical insurance shenanigans. I always go through the other person's at-fault insurance company on a claim. I go direct to the source. Your own insurance company, while getting checks from you on a regular basis, doesn't really give a damn about you.

I am not to sure about that, my last accident the other drivers insurance company wanted to assign part of the blame on me. My insurance company fought that tooth and nail.

My overall experience with my companies claims department has been rather please. 

USAA? Amico?

Those seem to be top tier, with the rest far behind.

I always get the "we never sue anyone because it costs too much" line.

By the way, someone talked about insurance doubling in FL. Mine has gone up 10-15% 6 months ago, and about 15% again this renewal in early 2018. I guess I'm paying for the floods and hurricanes in TX and FL.

I would think the fires in CA are too recent to have hit the insurance company pocketbooks yet (they are great at delaying claim payments).

And no, my traffic citation dramas have not been settled yet, so it isn't my driving record causing the increases. Geico confirmed this when I called them, they blamed rising repair and medical costs in CA.

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

But, let's say I give you the keys to my car and you crash it. It's my baby, isn't it? The damage would be covered under MY collision insurance. And if you hurt another driver or damaged another car, that's covered under my liability. If the damage exceeds my coverage, then they might look to your insurance company.

If I had to take a guess on this, I'd say that your FIL's insurance would pay for the damages, and then his insurance company would file a claim against the dealer's insurance.

I think this all boils down to whether a State views the insurance as following the driver or the car. I think in CA, I can't remember if the insurance follows the car or the driver. This came up in a previous claim of my wife's.

An uninsured driver or automobile (can't remember which) hit my wife's car. Either the brother or the sister that had recently purchased a used car was uninsured. The sister lent the car to her brother. The brother hit my wife.
Lo and behold, the Insurance company chose whichever benefited them, and denied the claim saying that the insurance followed the driver or the car, can't remember which, just that it benefited them for denying the claim.

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

It would be great if the shop intervened and just took up the claim, but I don't think they have to, right off the bat.

I mean, if they don't offer that, what's the guy to do? Just let his car sit there wrecked?

How is it any different than a claim where the car got wrecked because it fell off the lift in the shop's garage? Or maybe the lift failed and broke, causing the damage? Or maybe they dropped a tool box on the hood, denting the hood. I don't know why "how the car got damaged" is relevant. Just the car being damaged while in their care is all that is relevant to me if I'm on the jury.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

I drove taxi cabs when I was going to teacher's college, 1967 to 68 about. One guy had an immaculate 1966 Ford that had almost 300,000 miles on it....one of the nicest cars on the fleet.


He did all the work on it himself, and it looked like a brand new car. He even had full wheel discs and white wall tires.

What happened to them? Did they fall off, stolen, only put on the drivers side or what?

jmonroe

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

andres3 said:

A few weeks ago I told you guys (as well as my CCBA buddies) about my Father In law's 2017 Outback.  A quick recap:

He brought his 2017 Outback in for service.  It had a heated passenger seat that wasn't functioning properly & had some form of a recall that needed to be addressed.  The tech from the dealership had an accident.  There was $12K worth of damage to my father in law's Outback.  

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furiousident 

sounds like typical insurance shenanigans. I always go through the other person's at-fault insurance company on a claim. I go direct to the source. Your own insurance company, while getting checks from you on a regular basis, doesn't really give a damn about you.

I am not to sure about that, my last accident the other drivers insurance company wanted to assign part of the blame on me. My insurance company fought that tooth and nail.

My overall experience with my companies claims department has been rather please. 

USAA? Amico? Those seem to be top tier, with the rest far behind. I always get the "we never sue anyone because it costs too much" line. 

I am with State Farm.

As for sueing someone I do believe that insurance companies do binding arbitration.

driver100

iluvmysephia1 said:

That's a Spartan taxicab.

Hey iluv...where you been? What is happening?

A friend sent me this quote, that may apply;

“Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.”

Oscar Wilde

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

I drove taxi cabs when I was going to teacher's college, 1967 to 68 about. One guy had an immaculate 1966 Ford that had almost 300,000 miles on it....one of the nicest cars on the fleet.


He did all the work on it himself, and it looked like a brand new car. He even had full wheel discs and white wall tires.

What happened to them? Did they fall off, stolen, only put on the drivers side or what?

jmonroe

lol.....how about this nicely kept taxi.....

stickguy

Just got a teaser email from Acura. Seems they are finally coming out with a new redesigned RDX for 2019. Getting unveiled in Detroit next month. Technically a concept, but likely a thinly disguised production model. Definitely overdue.

Michaell

stickguy said:

Just got a teaser email from Acura. Seems they are finally coming out with a new redesigned RDX for 2019. Getting unveiled in Detroit next month. Technically a concept, but likely a thinly disguised production model. Definitely overdue.

The $64 question - 2.0T or V6?

andres3

I posted this elsewhere, but thought it deserved a mention here while were on the subject of things insurance companies are capable of:

Geico's roadside assistance left me cold. I don't pay for it anymore because it is way too restrictive with far too many exceptions. My wife had our Honda (a few years back) towed to what she thought was the nearest dealer about 8 or 9 miles away. Surprise to her, a Honda dealership had recently opened up right by where she was towed. They charged us for the additional 8 or 9 miles times some ridiculous multiplier since she didn't go to the nearest dealership (she picked the 2nd closest, and there's a ton of Honda dealerships in San Diego). I told them that policy was ludicrous, as they should have at least a 10 to 15 mile minimum before they start double-charging people over the premiums they've over paid already.

Just another reason I hate insurance companies. This is par for the course of how insurance companies let greed govern their policy making.

stickguy

I would bet heavily that it is going to be the 2.0T. Possibly even bigger, maybe 2.3l? Fine by me. I am now a big fan of turbo 4s. Though no issues with the Acura V6!

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5k_UQW4Wk

houdini1

qbrozen said:

imidazol97 said:

The information for the joint bill that was worked out was online for 48 or 72 hours before yesterday's votes. People pretty much know what's in it. I had tried to work up my own calculation table using the new bands of rates for taxable income, but this one shows individual's taxes much better because it shows how the raising of the deductions that are standard and how changing the width of the bands of various income dollars and rates end up taxing less.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/12/19/tax-calculator-what-tax-reform-means-for.html

Here is another one that attempts to compare with the current 2017 tax amounts and rates.

http://taxplancalculator.com/calc

Neither considers capital gains, but as I understood from the people who read the joint bill (it was difficult reading to say the least when I looked at the full bill as posted) the income amounts for the splits in tax rates on capital gains will be adjusted (for inflation?) upward slightly.

Thanks for the link. I can't seem to get that comparison calculator to line up with last year's return, but it does keep telling me I'll save a couple grand. But it is also not asking how you itemize your deductions so it can weed out any that are going away. (only thing I'm really concerned about is if they took away the mortgage interest deduction. I'm gathering they did not?)

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

 

He got his insurance company involved.  They fixed his car and adr now telling him that the accident was his fault and the are going to raise jos rates.  The dealership has done NOTHING to help him .  He's furious

That sucks big time nyc. If he knows a lawyer it would be worth getting a quick verbal opinion...at minimum I would go to court just out of principle.
If the car is in the garage's care they should be responsible...IMHO.

It's an interesting question. If the owner gives the shop permission to drive his car (test drive), then maybe one could say it falls under his responsibility. Question is, do you have to test drive a car to test the heated seats?

I'd be mad, too. I'd look into the circumstances of the accident and see who was doing what with my car.

But if they give us permission to test drive their car, isn't it on our insurance?

oldfarmer50

How much to fix this? I'm guessing $4k seeing that the metal under the C pillar is warped and the back window was blown out. Seller claims a motor bike hit him. Hmmmmm. Says he drove it for years but it looks like a temp plate. Doesn't smell right.

qbrozen

Far more to fix than the car is worth

ab348

qbrozen said:

Far more to fix than the car is worth

qbrozen said:

Far more to fix than the car is worth

Especially so being a Mitsubishi.

ab348

Merged onto a busy multi-lane highway today, needed to get over in the left lane quickly. Shades of @driver100 , a big lime green garbage truck was speeding along in the lane to my immediate left as I was getting to the end of the merge lane. Put my foot into it and as Phil Rizzuto used to say, Holy Cow! That garbage skow disappeared in a hurry. This ATS is hilariously quick. Power is intoxicating.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Far more to fix than the car is worth

Exactly. Why would anyone invest $5k into a car probably worth $3k? I suspect insurance totaled it and he's trying to making an extra grand.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

qbrozen said:

Far more to fix than the car is worth

qbrozen said:

Far more to fix than the car is worth

Especially so being a Mitsubishi.

Oh, such a snob. I wouldn't have a problem with a Mitsu especially if it was an Eclipse Spyder. My Mitsu was pretty much flawless.

I'd consider a nice low mile Diamanté like this if I could be sure the tranny was good. Funny how they shared that weakness with Acura of the same era.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Merged onto a busy multi-lane highway today, needed to get over in the left lane quickly. Shades of @driver100 , a big lime green garbage truck was speeding along in the lane to my immediate left as I was getting to the end of the merge lane. Put my foot into it and as Phil Rizzuto used to say, Holy Cow! That garbage skow disappeared in a hurry. This ATS is hilariously quick. Power is intoxicating.

Isn't that why you bought the performance version? Don't tell me that's the first time you stood on it? That would just be wrong.