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graphicguy

TLX confidently powered through a snow storm that dumped about 5-6 inches of snow on us last night. No drama and handled the storm with confidence. Happy!

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

oldfarmer50 said:

With the 10 hour federal driving limit and e-log enforced rest periods 500 miles a day might be the limit.

I'm way out of date, but when I was driving the rule was 10 hours on and 8 off, which left six hours in the day to go toward the next 10 hours. However, there were limits in how many hours you could accumulate in a number of days (70 in 8 days? I don't remember), which meant you couldn't do 10 on and 8 off continuously. . . unless you kept two sets of books, one of which kept you under the long-term limit and the other one which showed you to be where you were. I'm pretty sure that's impossible now with all the electronic magic we deal with.

Ah, the old "book of lies". E-logs have done away with that trick. Long ago we had to do a log only on school bus field trips but the school found a way around that. Can't imagine doing that on a cross country trip. What a pain filling in all those 15 minute interval.

From what I remember there are different rules for freight and passengers. Freight can do 11 hours after 10 of rest while passenger only do 10 after 8 rest. I think the weekly limit was 60/7 or 70/8.

I exceeded the daily limit a few times which freaked out the boss but what are you suppose to do, stop in the middle of the highway with a bus load of kids?

There was an Amtrak crew once that exceed their hours half way between NY and Albany. They stopped in Hudson and went home for their mandatory rest period leaving all the passengers on a dark train.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

There was an Amtrak crew once that exceed their hours half way between NY and Albany. They stopped in Hudson and went home for their mandatory rest period leaving all the passengers on a dark train.

Reminds me of a Northwest flight I was on in '96. Boarded the aircraft around 9:30PM in Minneapolis, taxied away from the gate and stopped with the engines shut down. After a long period of radio silence the intercom announced that the crew just discovered they had or would exceed their max hours for the day (they were delayed getting in by a couple of hours due to thunderstorms) so they were getting off the plane and a new crew was being sent in, but it would be a while. We sat on the tarmac with nothing but bottled water until after midnight. I fell asleep and was only awakened when the noise level increased when the new crew arrived sometime well after midnight. We got into Boise around 4AM.

suydam

I think they can’t keep you there that long anymore. Imagine the bathrooms! Or traveling with a small child. Horrors.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

Is 500 miles enough for a semi truck to go though? How long does it take to charge up? Sometimes these trucks get stuck on the highway for hours too....and how does cold weather affect those batteries? How many truckers have on time delivery.....would you chance it if you are doing say a 450 mile trip? What if the place you get to doesn't have a charging station? Questions - questions.........???????

The claims are dubious at best. It's not how fast the truck is, or the charge rate, or the range--it's the PAYLOAD, since trucks are regulated as to total weight. So yeah, you could pack enough batteries in a big rig to get impressive performance and range--but you might end being able to deliver maybe two cartons of toilet paper.

We'll see how it all comes down in the end.

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

Who needs 1000hp? Nobody, so why do I want one?

http://www.motortrend.com/news/1000-hp-2017-trans-am-455-super-duty-bows-in-new-york/?wc_mid=4035:10337&wc_rid=4035:1116404&_wcsid=803D36F0164E42D5AFEB8FA5E20E2A704EDCC1F70EF446EA

They're just making 50 of them, so they'll all be bought up on Day One and tucked away in garages, to re-appear at Barrett-Jackson in ten years with 12 miles on them. What a waste.

Hmm...14 psi of boost on race gas?--I have a feeling I'd end up breaking it, either internally or externally.

The idea that any noob with a driver's license could buy one of these and take it on public roads is somewhat scary.

fintail

But you need an endorsement for a Vespa, lol. You get the laws you pay for.

Mr_Shiftright said:

The idea that any noob with a driver's license could buy one of these and take it on public roads is somewhat scary.

Mr_Shiftright

I'm sure we'll be seeing the wrecks on YouTube. "All I did was floor it..."

snakeweasel

suydam said:

I think they can’t keep you there that long anymore. Imagine the bathrooms! Or traveling with a small child. Horrors.

While there is a limit now to how long you can be on the tarmac that's only 7.5 hours on the plane. Our flight from Amsterdam last summer was over 8 hours flight time. The bathrooms seemed fine for the duration. 

oldfarmer50

Here's a question.

The Edmunds valuation tool lists average trade-in values. How close are those too auction value? I know that what a dealer pays on any individual vehicle can vary widely but could you use the trade in valuation to judge what the wholesale cost might be?

bwia

 Hey Mike, I didn't realize that you had purchased a new MB S450. Sweet--and that is one hell of a Christmas gift; congrats and enjoy the ride. I would imagine it is loaded with all the techno gizmo toys including self-parking and autonomous driving capabilities. 

Mr_Shiftright

I don't think so because using the "average" makes you vulnerable to distortion due to "outlier" prices.

Also a price guide can't respond as quickly to seasonal or market changes as an auction can.

abacomike

bwia said:

 Hey Mike, I didn't realize that you had purchased a new MB S450. Sweet--and that is one hell of a Christmas gift; congrats and enjoy the ride. I would imagine it is loaded with all the techno gizmo toys including self-parking and autonomous driving capabilities. 

Thanks, bwia.  Yes, has all that stuff and more.  Have not driven it much the past week due to a cracked windshield.  It’s being replaced next week.

As for self parking, we have almost no parallel parking down here so I’ll probably never get the opportunity to use it.

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

I'm sure we'll be seeing the wrecks on YouTube. "All I did was floor it..."

You don't need 1000hp to crash like an idiot. Go to YouTube and type in any muscle/sports car with the word crash and you'll have a week's worth of viewing.

Mr_Shiftright

Like they say at the track: "If you're a bad driver with 400HP, you're going to be *really* bad with 1000HP".

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Who needs 1000hp? Nobody, so why do I want one?

http://www.motortrend.com/news/1000-hp-2017-trans-am-455-super-duty-bows-in-new-york/?wc_mid=4035:10337&wc_rid=4035:1116404&_wcsid=803D36F0164E42D5AFEB8FA5E20E2A704EDCC1F70EF446EA

They're just making 50 of them, so they'll all be bought up on Day One and tucked away in garages, to re-appear at Barrett-Jackson in ten years with 12 miles on them. What a waste.

Hmm...14 psi of boost on race gas?--I have a feeling I'd end up breaking it, either internally or externally.

The idea that any noob with a driver's license could buy one of these and take it on public roads is somewhat scary.

I can see the ads now.....say buddy, say you got feelings of insecurity and no self esteem, well do we have the car for you:

fintail

The cars and coffee exit videos on Youtube can make for an entertaining couple hours.

Mr_Shiftright

I think cars like this are more about "falling in love with a dream" and then finding out the other person snores and talks too loud.

isellhondas

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

I found this drawing.....but, I can't picture a truck driver person going for a whimpy pick up truck.....

And then some guy will want to jack it up and have big tires on it too!

It looks like someone sent a Ridgeline to one of those shops that has a TV show on Velocity and they customized it over the weekend for a "demanding client".

You called that one! That's EXACTLY what it looks like! Great call!

bwia

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini
Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

snakeweasel

bwia said:

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

FYI Lamborghini was Ferruccio's family name. 

driver100

How tempting is this, An Alfa Romeo Gulia lease, $3295 down and $299 a month for 24 months?


Fine print etc.,
*10000 miles a year and 20 cents for each mile over...if you don't buy it
*This is a stripper model....good luck finding one with no extras
*You must be trading a non-competitive brand, including no Fiat Chrysler products

driver100

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini
Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

FYI Lamborghini was Ferruccio's family name. 

But, saying "I have a Urus" sounds like you have some kind of disease. Or if you say I put my tools in your Urus people might wonder what you mean.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

How tempting is this, An Alfa Romeo Gulia lease, $3295 down and $299 a month for 24 months? Fine print etc., *10000 miles a year and 20 cents for each mile over...if you don't buy it *This is a stripper model....good luck finding one with no extras *You must be trading a non-competitive brand, including no Fiat Chrysler products

Works out somewhere like $450 zero down after taxes and fees? That is pretty pricey when you see $30k pricing on practically new ones.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

bwia said:

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

FYI Lamborghini was Ferruccio's family name. 

But, saying "I have a Urus" sounds like you have some kind of disease. Or if you say I put my tools in your Urus people might wonder what you mean.

But people know what a Lamborghini is and few honestly say they have one. Does saying "I have a Chevrolet" make people wonder what you mean?

oldfarmer50

Old man rant of the morning.

Went to Paneras for breakfast this morning. It's 2 degrees F but I park some distance from the door because I need the exersize. I get my food and walk out to find a newer black Ford Taurus parking in the fire lane blocking the exit and a 20 something woman getting out. She looks at me and turns locking her doors with the fob like she thought I was a carjacker. Such entitlement. I walked across the parking lot shaking my head.

oldfarmer50

More exasperation at the younger generation.

My older son who is a terrific person but has zero interest in cars comes home yesterday from driving a friend to work. She pays him $10 a trip which barely covers his gas but as I said he's a nice guy.

Shortly thereafter I see him using my electric pump on his back tire. Seems right after he picked her up he noticed he had a flat but still drove her to work and home. I asked him why he didn't stop and he said "that would have made her late". Huh?

So in the freezing weather we (meaning I) throw the donut on (which was not easy since he use his trunk as a garbage can).

I look at the tire and it's shredded worse than the tire swing in the tiger cage at the zoo. Fortunately it looks like the wheel is ok but we won't know until the tire is replaced.

So a $10 trip costs him $100+.

Kids.

Boy this freezing weather makes me cranky. :@

PF_Flyer

Since it's that time... HAPPY NEW YEAR to all and thanks for being a art of our community here. You all are the best online group in my book!

Anyone making a resolution to get an as-yet-undetermined new toy in 2018?? I'm thinking we're due in our household

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini
Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

FYI Lamborghini was Ferruccio's family name. 

But, saying "I have a Urus" sounds like you have some kind of disease. Or if you say I put my tools in your Urus people might wonder what you mean.

But people know what a Lamborghini is and few honestly say they have one. Does saying "I have a Chevrolet" make people wonder what you mean?

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Does it really need all those buttons to get you to the golf course?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

Old man rant of the morning.

Went to Paneras for breakfast this morning. It's 2 degrees F but I park some distance from the door because I need the exersize. I get my food and walk out to find a newer black Ford Taurus parking in the fire lane blocking the exit and a 20 something woman getting out. She looks at me and turns locking her doors with the fob like she thought I was a carjacker. Such entitlement. I walked across the parking lot shaking my head.

It happens all the time. The younger they are the less exercise they want.

Here's my favorite story I have about something like that:

About 10 years ago I saw a car parked on the large sidewalk outside a carry-out Chinese restaurant I used to go to. When I walked into the store I saw what appeared to me to be two very healthy 20 something ladies at the pick-up counter. Not wanting to pass on the chance to have some fun, I said, "whoever is parked on the side walk otta move their car before the police that just pulled into this lot sees it". I was damn near run over by both of them as they dashed out of the store. It turned out that they were both together but both ran out to move the car although it only takes one person to do that. Anyway, about a minute later they both returned and one of the young women said to me, "thanks a lot for the warning. The last thing I need now is another ticket" (maybe she was related to @andres3). Being the nice guy that I am I merely said, "glad to help".

jmonroe

fintail

The only tools a Urus will carry are the drivers

These are like the Bentayga, cars for the modern version of Marie Antoinette.

driver100 said:

But, saying "I have a Urus" sounds like you have some kind of disease. Or if you say I put my tools in your Urus people might wonder what you mean.

ab348

jmonroe said:

It happens all the time. The younger they are the less exercise they want.

Bet they spend big bucks on gym memberships and overpriced workout equipment though.

suydam

And I know many young folks who run miles before breakfast. And walk everywhere because they choose not to have cars. Let’s not overgeneralize.

houdini1

My theory is that young people only go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

houdini1

houdini1 said:

My theory is that young people mostly go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

This handout picture released by Italian luxury car maker Lamborghini shows the interior of a new SUV 4×4 Urus.—AFP Photo / Lamborghini
Handsome yes, but the name sounds offensive. Oh well, it must mean something exceptional in Italian.

FYI Lamborghini was Ferruccio's family name. 

But, saying "I have a Urus" sounds like you have some kind of disease. Or if you say I put my tools in your Urus people might wonder what you mean.

But people know what a Lamborghini is and few honestly say they have one. Does saying "I have a Chevrolet" make people wonder what you mean?

If you say you have a car that sounds like it is "Your-[non-permissible content removed]" they might wonder what you mean.

driver100

suydam said:

And I know many young folks who run miles before breakfast. And walk everywhere because they choose not to have cars. Let’s not overgeneralize.

It's fun to over generalize. There often is a bit of truth to the humor, or it wouldn't make sense.

driver100

houdini1 said:

houdini1 said:

My theory is that young people mostly go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

When you were in your 20s houdini I don't think they had gyms. People used to meet at church, school, and within the community, now people have found a new meeting place to find like minded friends who share an interest in staying healthy.
About 20 years ago my wife and I joined a gym. We followed our routines, and then I would see this great restaurant across the road, and we would go there for a big breakfast.....great homefries. I was gaining more than I was losing.

fintail

Uh oh, boomers are grousing about young people, watch out! Funny, the more things change - reminds me of the mature generation complaining about rock and roll 60 years ago

Mr_Shiftright

I went to a great gym when I was in my 20s. It was called the United States Army. It was free, too!

jmonroe

suydam said:

And I know many young folks who run miles before breakfast. And walk everywhere because they choose not to have cars. Let’s not overgeneralize.

C'mon man, lighten up. Generalizing is my best trait. :@

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

Most people named monroe generalize I think.

ab348

houdini1 said:

My theory is that young people only go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

Oh, for sure. I formulated that same theory in the '80s when I witnessed people in my workplace doing it for exactly that reason. It was an alternative to going to bars to hook up. Had the advantage of having more of the body in question exposed for viewing.

The other thing I never quite got was people exercising like mad, then eating triple cheeseburgers with fried eggs and onion rings on top along with a shake on the side (or equivalent mega-calorie dishes). I guess it is a type of personality quirk.

isellhondas

Mr_Shiftright said:

I went to a great gym when I was in my 20s. It was called the United States Army. It was free, too!

I was there too, Fort Ord. Lotsa fun wasn't it?

Our first night there reminded me of the opening scene from Full Metal Jacket!

Mr_Shiftright

Fun? Usually not. But I did enjoy blowing things up I must say. I think M252 81mm mortars are illegal, though.

The military gets you in great shape quickly. You even get a personal trainer who readily offers feedback.

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

I went to a great gym when I was in my 20s. It was called the United States Army. It was free, too!

I actually gained weight in boot camp, but then again I was very underweight when I went in. 

driver100

ab348 said:

houdini1 said:

My theory is that young people only go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

Oh, for sure. I formulated that same theory in the '80s when I witnessed people in my workplace doing it for exactly that reason. It was an alternative to going to bars to hook up. Had the advantage of having more of the body in question exposed for viewing.

The other thing I never quite got was people exercising like mad, then eating triple cheeseburgers with fried eggs and onion rings on top along with a shake on the side (or equivalent mega-calorie dishes). I guess it is a type of personality quirk.

I like it when I see someone order a double cheese bacon burger, a mommoth fries and a Diet Coke.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Old man rant of the morning.

Went to Paneras for breakfast this morning. It's 2 degrees F but I park some distance from the door because I need the exersize. I get my food and walk out to find a newer black Ford Taurus parking in the fire lane blocking the exit and a 20 something woman getting out. She looks at me and turns locking her doors with the fob like she thought I was a carjacker. Such entitlement. I walked across the parking lot shaking my head.

oldfarmer, we know you were just looking at where the young lady was parking BUT, be very careful these days who you look at and how you look. Men have gone to prison for that. My friend was going to tell this young lady on the beach that her back was starting to look like it was getting sunburned....I told him I wasn't going to bail him out if he is accused of harassment.

I was holding the door open for 2 younger women at our tennis club back home. It is a pressurized bubble, so the door is a bit hard to push....but, I was going through and stood and kept it open....and, I was told "We can open our own doors". Well OK, I would have held it open for any human being that goes through behind me.

My pet peeve is that for the last 3 weeks when I buy groceries they always ask if I found everything I wanted. For the last 3 weeks there were always one or two items I couldn't find. When I say what they were they always say "Sorry". Why did I even bother telling them and why do they bother asking?

jmonroe

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

houdini1 said:

My theory is that young people only go to gyms to show their wares and meet people. If I was in my 20's I can't think of any other reason to go.

Oh, for sure. I formulated that same theory in the '80s when I witnessed people in my workplace doing it for exactly that reason. It was an alternative to going to bars to hook up. Had the advantage of having more of the body in question exposed for viewing.

The other thing I never quite got was people exercising like mad, then eating triple cheeseburgers with fried eggs and onion rings on top along with a shake on the side (or equivalent mega-calorie dishes). I guess it is a type of personality quirk.

I like it when I see someone order a double cheese bacon burger, a mommoth fries and a Diet Coke.

I thought that was you behind me.

Happy New Year, y'all

jmonroe

ab348

driver100 said:

My pet peeve is that for the last 3 weeks when I buy groceries they always ask if I found everything I wanted. For the last 3 weeks there were always one or two items I couldn't find. When I say what they were they always say "Sorry". Why did I even bother telling them and why do they bother asking?

Just as the pre-boarding security at airports is referred to by some as "Security Theater", this is called "Service Stagecraft". They don't want to actually ensure you find the item, but need to check off the box that they asked the question to ensure a good score from the mystery shoppers.