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qbrozen

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something. Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer. Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place? Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

driver100

jmonroe said:

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jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

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roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

HUH !! .

jmonroe

It's really not that difficult to understand(or so I thought); with respect to virtually any modern car:
1. If the car is stopped with the brakes fully applied and you floor the accelerator the car will not move.
2. If the car is moving at virtually any speed if you floor the accelerator and simultaneously fully apply the brakes the car will stop.

I agree with what you said but saying correct and incorrect without further explanation confuses me. Maybe @driver100 knew what he meant but then again he has confused himself in here more than just a few times.

jmonroe

Driver 100 wrote that early this morning......probably should have said "It could be true and may not be, I would like to see definitive "real test" results...I am getting conflicting information".

OH, so now we have to wait for you to be fully awake? Your post that prompted my reply was at 10:07 AM. When do you wake up?

From now on maybe you should say,"until mid-afternoon I may be FOS", or something like that, so we'll know.

jmonroe

I had a full morning...believe it or not I have a life besides keeping my fans up to date on C&C......answered many emails...had to eat at 10:15 a.m to go to pickleball at 10:30. Was a little rushed.....thought it looked confusing but decided not to change it.

JM, I shouldn't bother explaining but I know you would like to know.

Do you really think I'm the only one?

jmonroe

No JM, you are not the only one. I got emails from my fans as well wanting an explanation.Hope you can now get to sleep tonight.

cdnpinhead

jmonroe said:

Do you really think I'm the only one?

Well, probably not, but you're the only one who takes the time to poke the gerbil (didn't feel bear was appropriate).

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

Sorry about that, I will go back and take a look, meant to and then it got left on the back burner.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

HUH !! .

jmonroe

It's really not that difficult to understand(or so I thought); with respect to virtually any modern car:
1. If the car is stopped with the brakes fully applied and you floor the accelerator the car will not move.
2. If the car is moving at virtually any speed if you floor the accelerator and simultaneously fully apply the brakes the car will stop.

I agree with what you said but saying correct and incorrect without further explanation confuses me. Maybe @driver100 knew what he meant but then again he has confused himself in here more than just a few times.

jmonroe

Driver 100 wrote that early this morning......probably should have said "It could be true and may not be, I would like to see definitive "real test" results...I am getting conflicting information".

OH, so now we have to wait for you to be fully awake? Your post that prompted my reply was at 10:07 AM. When do you wake up?

From now on maybe you should say,"until mid-afternoon I may be FOS", or something like that, so we'll know.

jmonroe

I had a full morning...believe it or not I have a life besides keeping my fans up to date on C&C......answered many emails...had to eat at 10:15 a.m to go to pickleball at 10:30. Was a little rushed.....thought it looked confusing but decided not to change it.

JM, I shouldn't bother explaining but I know you would like to know.

Do you really think I'm the only one?

jmonroe

No JM, you are not the only one. I got emails from my fans as well wanting an explanation.Hope you can now get to sleep tonight.

Don't worry about me sleeping, that's one of my best parts.

jmonroe

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

I read the main post and intended to go back and read the links, but, because of my ultra busy morning it got missed.

The article was excellent and it does say you can pretty well stop any car if you can press hard enough on the brakes. It also said, cars shouldn't have a problem being put into neutral.

I still don't know why an expert driver wouldn't have tried the brakes first, though the article said when you are in panic mode you tend to put all your energy into just steering the car.

Thanks for the article, it was the complete explanation I was hoping for.

tbirdmarco

 Enjoyed reading all posted here today everyone very interesting conversations going on 

qbrozen

driver100 said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something. Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer. Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place? Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

I read the main post and intended to go back and read the links, but, because of my ultra busy morning it got missed. The article was excellent and it does say you can pretty well stop any car if you can press hard enough on the brakes. It also said, cars shouldn't have a problem being put into neutral. I still don't know why an expert driver wouldn't have tried the brakes first, though the article said when you are in panic mode you tend to put all your energy into just steering the car. Thanks for the article, it was the complete explanation I was hoping for.

You are welcome.

I also worry that people are out there just doing dumb things in the hopes of ...I don't know what. Fame? Fortune? Just to get away with something?

stickguy

would not surprise me if there have been people deciding to see how fast they could go, getting spotted, then cooking up a story on the fly.

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

Good point---let's move on, maybe to something more generalized like we were before, about nanny gadgets and how a car might interfere at the wrong time....

I was trying to focus on driver safety, not Lexus. Perhaps we should all know more about how to disengage some of these features if we don't like what they are doing at a particular instance.

I had the opposite problem with a loaner to what happened to that unfortunate Lexus driver last year. I got a Cadillac XT5 with the BMW-style beer-tap electronic shifter as a loaner. Leaving the lot, I inadvertently put it into manual mode and couldn't get out of 1st gear. Roaring down the street at 20 mph...

ab348

qbrozen said:

You are welcome.

I also worry that people are out there just doing dumb things in the hopes of ...I don't know what. Fame? Fortune? Just to get away with something?

The attraction of having a video go viral seems very powerful. Apparently you can make big bucks on YouTube if you play your cards right.

oldfarmer50

coldinohio said:

has anyone bought a car with a 'branded" title?

store in atlanta has a lot of high end cars that were manufacturer buybacks it appears

iqautos

Buy a lemon? I think not.

Craigslist is full of salvage/rebuilt cars, one company even specialized in putting them back together and selling them. I wouldn't touch one unless I had detailed history and pictures. If it was a flood car, never.


On the positive side, I guess soon you'll be able to shop for cars at Walmart.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

Yes; and if anything I'd expect the Lexus to have a bit better brakes than an equivalent Camry.
To repeat: with respect to virtually any modern car:
1. If the car is stopped with the brakes fully applied and you floor the accelerator the car will not move.
2. If the car is moving at virtually any speed if you floor the accelerator and simultaneously fully apply the brakes the car will stop.

ab348

More bad news for Tesla as reported in Automotive News:

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is sending two investigators to examine issues raised by a Tesla Inc. crash in California.

The Tesla struck a highway barrier March 23 near Mountain View and caught fire, prompting hours of closed freeway lanes as firefighters tried to determine whether it was safe to move the vehicle and its damaged lithium-ion battery packs, according to the San Jose Mercury News.

The safety board will examine the post-crash fire and steps needed to make the vehicle safe to remove from an accident scene, the agency said in a tweet Tuesday. It’s unclear whether the Tesla’s partially autonomous driving system, known as Autopilot, was engaged at the time of the crash, the NTSB said.

“We have been deeply saddened by this accident, and we have offered our full cooperation to authorities as we work to establish the facts of the incident,” Tesla said in an emailed statement.

Tesla shares fell 8.2 percent to close the day at $279.18.

The investigation is the second this year involving Tesla by the NTSB, which opens only a handful of highway cases each year. The agency is also examining a Jan. 22 accident in Los Angeles in which a Tesla Model S rammed into the rear of a fire truck parked on a freeway. In that case, the driver told authorities on the scene it was operating under Autopilot.

Last September, the NTSB concluded that Tesla’s Autopilot was a contributing factor in a 2016 fatal crash in Florida. The driver of that car had been using the car’s automatic steering function for a prolonged period and didn’t stop when a semi-truck made a left turn in front of him.

PF_Flyer

Kooky talk, I know, but I put the all-seasons back on today and put the Nokians in my tire storage area

So WHEN the freak snowstorm hits, you can blame me...LOL

stickguy

I am going to upstate NY this weekend for easter (out near Old Farmer), and planning to take my Elantra, so that almost guarantees we get caught in a fluke snowstorm.

andres3

imidazol97 said:

For an anecdotal test of how many brake applications remain from the reserve vacuum in your car's brake booster when the engine is not supplying any refresh because its own vacuum is low. Stop your car. Turn off the engine. Press the brakes once. Let up. Press the brake pedal again hard. Let up. Repeat until you can tell the pedal does not go down the same as it did when you started this test.

I would think in panic mode even a 100 pound waif model would be able to have enough adrenaline pumping to push that brake pedal through the floor of the car before crashing. If I pushed the brake pedal and nothing happened, I might get so mad at it I snap the brake pedal and break it before crashing. Of course, I'd put it in neutral before crashing, and/or turn off the motor.

stickguy

I think I just need our old Volvo 144 back. None of these issues. Manual trans. Manual brakes (no boost to lose, if you have no boost to start with!). Heck, manual steering too, so won't lose that either. Basically makes no darned difference if the engine is on or off, car drives the same just marginally slower.

andres3

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

I showed you the evidence in the 2 articles I linked where they performed their own experiments.

I read the main post and intended to go back and read the links, but, because of my ultra busy morning it got missed.

The article was excellent and it does say you can pretty well stop any car if you can press hard enough on the brakes. It also said, cars shouldn't have a problem being put into neutral.

I still don't know why an expert driver wouldn't have tried the brakes first, though the article said when you are in panic mode you tend to put all your energy into just steering the car.

Thanks for the article, it was the complete explanation I was hoping for.

I think the term "expert" driver was being used facetiously.
He was CHP. Not to stomp on his grave personally, but it may be Officers like him that draw the ire of the people they cite and ticket without having the ability to deal with some Driving 202 basics themselves.

That being said I think CA officers are well trained, if there is a problem, it is with the curriculum itself. I imagine they have RARA cheerleader motivational lectures to go nab those speeders out there similar to a sales manager pumping up his sales force to go out and sell some "insert product" here.

explorerx4

Don't everyone freak out, but my new truck has 22's with 40 series tires.

xwesx

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Wouldn’t have these issues with a manual. Any stick driver would know what to do.

Yeh stick....that would apply to about 4% of the cars on the road in the USA.

Easy solution: Ban automatic transmissions! Going forward, you have autonomous/public transit and private manual transmission cars. A straight up utopia, that would be!

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

There's this concept called "stress training", which is often cited in training law enforcement officers. If a person just shoots at targets, he is not guaranteed to use his gun in a rational manner. He needs actual stress training to simulate emergency conditions.

So there's no reason a police officer would react any differently to a runaway car--he might panic just like everyone else who didn't "practice" the event beforehand or at least go through the procedures.

imidazol97

Richard says "Hello" to all of you here. He asked about you and who was still active here. I gave him a reader's digest summary of what's happening.

xwesx

coldinohio said:

has anyone bought a car with a 'branded" title?

store in atlanta has a lot of high end cars that were manufacturer buybacks it appears

iqautos

Yes, and you simply go in with your eyes open on these. As for manufacturer buybacks, well..... that might be buying a whole bundle of frustration!

carnaught

xwesx said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Wouldn’t have these issues with a manual. Any stick driver would know what to do.

Yeh stick....that would apply to about 4% of the cars on the road in the USA.

Easy solution: Ban automatic transmissions! Going forward, you have autonomous/public transit and private manual transmission cars. A straight up utopia, that would be!

“Utopia”: not so much. You’d have a lot more people not knowing what they’re doing than what we even have now. And, they’d be either in your way, or heading toward you.

28firefighter

imidazol97 said:

Richard says "Hello" to all of you here. He asked about you and who was still active here. I gave him a reader's digest summary of what's happening.

How? I can’t even do that and I’ve been reading....

venture

PF_Flyer said:

Kooky talk, I know, but I put the all-seasons back on today and put the Nokians in my tire storage area

So WHEN the freak snowstorm hits, you can blame me...LOL

I'm thinking about going to Punxsutawney this weekend to strangle that groundhog. Do you want me to pick you up?

explorerx4

One of my kids called(oh oh) about 10 days ago and needed to speak with me.
Turns our she filled her Escape with E-85 by mistake.
Realized it when the 'Check Engine' light went on after about 40 miles.
To her credit, she did some research and the answer was to put some PUG in every couple of gallons used.
I looked it up in the manual for one of my cars, and it said to bring it in if the engine was knocking(due to check engine light being on).
To her credit, she also called the dealer(Wow!) and they said to just keep adding normal fuel and the light would go out eventually.
She's in the Midwest, so probably not unheard of.
She texted today(ok everything back to normal) that the light went out.
Big relief for me.

Mr_Shiftright

I remember Phil when he was just another rodent.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

One of my kids called(oh oh) about 10 days ago and needed to speak with me.
Turns our she filled her Escape with E-85 by mistake.
Realized it when the 'Check Engine' light went on after about 40 miles.
To her credit, she did some research and the answer was to put some PUG in every couple of gallons used.
I looked it up in the manual for one of my cars, and it said to bring it in if the engine was knocking(due to check engine light being on).
To her credit, she also called the dealer(Wow!) and they said to just keep adding normal fuel and the light would go out eventually.
She's in the Midwest, so probably not unheard of.
She texted today(ok everything back to normal) that the light went out.
Big relief for me.

At least she didn't fill it with diesel.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer,
Pretty hard to fill a gas vehicle with diesel unless the supplier put the wrong fuel in the underground tanks.
Just happened near here the other day.

cdnpinhead

imidazol97 said:

Richard says "Hello" to all of you here. He asked about you and who was still active here. I gave him a reader's digest summary of what's happening.

Good to hear -- thanks.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer,
Pretty hard to fill a gas vehicle with diesel unless the supplier put the wrong fuel in the underground tanks.
Just happened near here the other day.

Doesn't the diesel filler have different nozzle...and the car a different size filler size?

driver100

28firefighter said:

imidazol97 said:

Richard says "Hello" to all of you here. He asked about you and who was still active here. I gave him a reader's digest summary of what's happening.

How? I can’t even do that and I’ve been reading....

Easy, we have discussed every topic possible.....except how to change baby diapers.

Best wishes to Richard, ask him to check in some time.

explorerx4

@driver100,
Yes. Doesn't help if the tanker puts the wrong fuel in the bunker tank.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

There's this concept called "stress training", which is often cited in training law enforcement officers. If a person just shoots at targets, he is not guaranteed to use his gun in a rational manner. He needs actual stress training to simulate emergency conditions.

So there's no reason a police officer would react any differently to a runaway car--he might panic just like everyone else who didn't "practice" the event beforehand or at least go through the procedures.

Yes, we have no idea what it is like when in a stressful situation. Often cops will shoot a guy they really think was armed, and they continue to pump bullets into him...happened in Toronto as well as other places. Some experts say they can't help it...it is the stress of the situation and they lose it. (Just saying it happens, not discussing the right or wrong of it).

My guess is that if your car suddenly accelerates to 120 mph you will be lucky if you react appropriately. When we had our major accident, I wasn't physically hurt too badly, but, I could barely think to write out the forms with my name and address.....the accident just keeps playing over and you wonder why you are still there, and how lucky you are to still be around.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Yes. Doesn't help if the tanker puts the wrong fuel in the bunker tank.

Sue them! :@

jmonroe

venture said:

PF_Flyer said:

Kooky talk, I know, but I put the all-seasons back on today and put the Nokians in my tire storage area

So WHEN the freak snowstorm hits, you can blame me...LOL

I'm thinking about going to Punxsutawney this weekend to strangle that groundhog. Do you want me to pick you up?

I'll meet both of you there at noon. I'll bring a rope, screw driver, vise grips, hammer, battery operated saw, we gotta make sure we get this rodent once and for all.

I'll go in first but if I some how miss him one of you guys better squish with your car when he jumps out of that hole. :@

jmonroe

nyccarguy

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer, Pretty hard to fill a gas vehicle with diesel unless the supplier put the wrong fuel in the underground tanks. Just happened near here the other day.

It's not hard to fill a diesel tank with gasoline.  Just ask some of the morons who work for me.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

I think knowing how to stop your car if it is accelerating out of control is important to know. Wouldn't the guy in the runaway Lexus have stomped on the brake pedal.....he was a traffic cop with a lot of knowledge and experience? Wouldn't stomping on the brake be the first thing someone would try? I think I would try the brake first, then shift to neutral, then try turning the car off.....though I have never heard about the 3 seconds or 3X rule - I may push the button in thinking that would do something.

Also, your brain doesn't work that well when you are in panic mode with 3 screaming people in the car and you are trying to steer.

Just show me the evidence that stomping on the brake will definitely stop the car. I also wonder, as stick alluded to, will the car always go into neutral when the engine is revving away? The articles seem to say it may squeel like a frightened pig, but will the gears always mesh into place?

Disclaimer: Just asking?

There's this concept called "stress training", which is often cited in training law enforcement officers. If a person just shoots at targets, he is not guaranteed to use his gun in a rational manner. He needs actual stress training to simulate emergency conditions.

So there's no reason a police officer would react any differently to a runaway car--he might panic just like everyone else who didn't "practice" the event beforehand or at least go through the procedures.

You hit the nail on the head. You have to "practice" a situation to be able to handle it if / when it arises.

Like I have mentioned before, I was on a flight crew when I was in the Navy. Not a pilot but part of the crew. My main responsibility was a loader but I spent many hours sitting in the flight engineer seat during PT's (pilot training). We practiced all the time when we were not hauling cargo. The pilots had to be over the top proficient.

Other than being shot out of the air, I think we practiced just about every scenario. Landed a C-130 several times with 2 engines feathered. Then as soon as the main mounts hit the runway, before the nose gear even touched, the engines came out of feather, went to full power on all four engines and we did a touch and go. The first time I sat in the seat and watched that I was in awe. Then it became almost routine. I say "almost" because it really wasn't but the pilots got pretty good at it.

Practice does make perfect.

jmonroe

jmonroe

imidazol97 said:

Richard says "Hello" to all of you here. He asked about you and who was still active here. I gave him a reader's digest summary of what's happening.

See if you can get him back in here. I have some unfinished business I want to settle with him. :@

jmonroe

stickguy

Explorer, 40's can work. As long as they are also about 315 section!

iluvmysephia1

Well, I'm just going to post something from an ABC News article in 2009 about the Toyota coverup and the Saylor case because it's essential to note that it wasn't just the ghastly pedals getting stuck on the wrongly-sized floor mats, it was also a faulty gas pedal that was staying depressed and not springing back when one's foot was let off of it. Toyota knew about both problems going on and tried to hide them from the public. Evil, really, huh?


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-unintended-acceleration/story?id=22972214

“The disregard Toyota had for the safety of the public is outrageous,” Venizelos said. “Not only did Toyota fail to recall cars with problem parts, they continued to manufacture new cars with the same parts they already knew were deadly. When media reports arose of Toyota hiding defects, they emphatically denied what they knew was true, assuring consumers that their cars were safe and reliable… More than speeding cars or a major fine, the ultimate tragedy has been the unwitting consumers who died behind the wheel of Toyota vehicles.”


Toyota “put sales over safety and profit over principle,” according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.

Toyota had to pay a $1.2B fine to avoid prosecution for this coverup. Imagine the fines they'd be paying out if they were actually prosecuted for all the cases brought up?

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer,
Pretty hard to fill a gas vehicle with diesel unless the supplier put the wrong fuel in the underground tanks.
Just happened near here the other day.

One of our bus drivers did that once. No one could figure out how since the diesel filler is so much bigger.

oldfarmer50

iluvmysephia1 said:

Well, I'm just going to post something from an ABC News article in 2009 about the Toyota coverup and the Saylor case because it's essential to note that it wasn't just the ghastly pedals getting stuck on the wrongly-sized floor mats, it was also a faulty gas pedal that was staying depressed and not springing back when one's foot was let off of it. Toyota knew about both problems going on and tried to hide them from the public. Evil, really, huh?


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-unintended-acceleration/story?id=22972214

“The disregard Toyota had for the safety of the public is outrageous,” Venizelos said. “Not only did Toyota fail to recall cars with problem parts, they continued to manufacture new cars with the same parts they already knew were deadly. When media reports arose of Toyota hiding defects, they emphatically denied what they knew was true, assuring consumers that their cars were safe and reliable… More than speeding cars or a major fine, the ultimate tragedy has been the unwitting consumers who died behind the wheel of Toyota vehicles.”


Toyota “put sales over safety and profit over principle,” according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.

Toyota had to pay a $1.2B fine to avoid prosecution for this coverup. Imagine the fines they'd be paying out if they were actually prosecuted for all the cases brought up?

Totally unrelated but my wife thinks "Jan" in the Toyota commercials is pregnant.

tbirdmarco

 Explore for wow that’s some massive wheels on your truck cool cool 

tbirdmarco

 You frozen I wouldn’t touch the lemon car but the link to fix from any brand or a flood or salvage car Bonnell those for me agree with you what you posted above and hold former two 

tbirdmarco

 Hopefully you should be good for going to upstate New York stick guy I was up there last weekend at my brothers like previously mentioned last weekend weather was in the 40s so Fleye you have the scene lock and I get no more snow and that’s it for this year going up there again the second week of May for my sister‘s college graduation for a few days 

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

Well, I'm just going to post something from an ABC News article in 2009 about the Toyota coverup and the Saylor case because it's essential to note that it wasn't just the ghastly pedals getting stuck on the wrongly-sized floor mats, it was also a faulty gas pedal that was staying depressed and not springing back when one's foot was let off of it. Toyota knew about both problems going on and tried to hide them from the public. Evil, really, huh? http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-unintended-acceleration/story?id=22972214 “The disregard Toyota had for the safety of the public is outrageous,” Venizelos said. “Not only did Toyota fail to recall cars with problem parts, they continued to manufacture new cars with the same parts they already knew were deadly. When media reports arose of Toyota hiding defects, they emphatically denied what they knew was true, assuring consumers that their cars were safe and reliable… More than speeding cars or a major fine, the ultimate tragedy has been the unwitting consumers who died behind the wheel of Toyota vehicles.” Toyota “put sales over safety and profit over principle,” according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos. Toyota had to pay a $1.2B fine to avoid prosecution for this coverup. Imagine the fines they'd be paying out if they were actually prosecuted for all the cases brought up?

Totally unrelated but my wife thinks "Jan" in the Toyota commercials is pregnant.

Good to know, OF! 

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmZ2k03hoc4