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roadburner

bwia said:

That sounds like a fantastic price for a 50-gallon electric hot heater installed.

I am in the market for a 40-gallon, 12 year warranty electric hot water heater as well. Installation will be at least $159 and the disposal cost of the old another 20 bucks or so.

I am not tied to a brand name per se, any recommendations?

My plumber went with a Bradford White; the previous water heater was a State. nyccarguy could tell you more.

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

Stopped off at Costco for gas this morning.  $3.04.9 a gallon for PUG.  That’s 40 cents a gallon less than any other TopTier PUG within 6 miles of where I live.  That is a significant delta.  Costco was at $299.9 a gallon for PUG on Monday.  Prices are sure going up fast.

Consider yourself lucky, here regular is just north of $3.00 a gallon with PUG around 70 to 80 cents a gallon more. 

That seems so cheap! Been $3.50 for a long time here...

That's about what it is in the Burgh area. On the local 6 PM news one of the major local stations usually shows what the national average cost of gas is and in PA and in the Burgh. We always have the highest price. We are just numb to it by now.

Saw this on the internet:

Who has the highest gas tax?
The highest state gas tax is assessed in Pennsylvania, at 58.2 cents per gallon, with Washington State (49.4 cpg) and Hawaii (44.39 cpg) following closely behind. Alaska drivers pay the lowest rate in the country at 12.25 cents per gallon. Jan 27, 2017

If the above is true, the cost of gas in Alaska must be due to the cost of the gas itself not the tax.

You have to admit, it's nice to know there is always a reason for why we pay what we pay for gas.

jmonroe

tjc78

roadburner said:

That sounds like a fantastic price for a 50-gallon electric hot heater installed.

I am in the market for a 40-gallon, 12 year warranty electric hot water heater as well. Installation will be at least $159 and the disposal cost of the old another 20 bucks or so.

I am not tied to a brand name per se, any recommendations?

My plumber went with a Bradford White; the previous water heater was a State. nyccarguy could tell you more.

Bradford and AO Smith were always the two best.  Both brands aren’t available at the big boxes.  

When my 20+ year Bradford gave up the ghost, it was a Sunday morning.  Plumbing supplies were closed and I was leaving on a trip Monday morning.  I went to Lowe’s who carried a made in USA Whirlpool.  I bought the best one they had and It’s been working well.  I would have preferred a Bradford but was in a pinch.  Luckily, my cousin is a union steamfitter and a I called in a favor for install help.  

Re: beer fridge.  We couldn’t do it without the second fridge in the basement.   We host every holiday here, so we always need the extra space.    The fridge down there is from my old kitchen. It’s a Kenmore from the 80s.  When it goes I’ll replace it with a cheapie from the clearance aisle at Home Depot or Lowe’s.  Either a floor model or something with a dented panel. 

venture

snakeweasel said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

They really screwed up NASCAR---they killed the golden goose. Putting some people who weren't even race drivers (ahem!) in there for publicity didn't help either. Lots of sponsors are pullin out.

Absolutely. The decline is shockingly quick, too. The usual thing this season is to see entire grandstands empty and blocked off, with plenty of empty seats even in the ones that are still in use. I can't point at any one thing that killed it, but it was a lot more fun to watch 10-20 years ago.

A lot of things are biting the dust these days. I was just reading how some high schools don't have enough interest to get a football team together. Golf is really fading, takes too long, too expensive, and young people aren't interested. Young people aren't that interested in cars and they really aren't interested in watching a car race. Young people want computers and cell phones......and that is it!

Funny you would mention the lack of interest in football. A group of us were talking about that last night.

It seems the injuries are becoming more numerous and more severe at all levels.

The general opinion was that the athletes are getting so big, so fast, and so strong that the athletes may have outgrown the game.

The question is does it seem that way because the injuries are more numerous and severe or because we are more focused on them and pay more attention to them?

I know that the high school players are much bigger, stronger, and faster then they were when I was in high school. Whether that translates to more and more severe injuries is still the question though.

venture

stickguy said:

my LG has the same top load cartridge. I think it is about 6 months when it asks for a new one. I usually reset it and do it the next time. I know when it really needs it when the water stops flowing out normally.

I buy them in bulk through discount filters (I think it is called) online. When they have a big discount. I think the last time I paid $50 something for 6, and they included a 10 pack of magic erasers which was nice.

$50 for 6? Holy cow. The ones for my refrigerator are over $50 each.

driver100

xwesx said:

driver100 said:

I have seen a lot of 2019 VW Tourags these days. They haven't been out long but they must be selling really well. They look pretty substantial, and must sell at a good price. People forgive and forget quickly.

They look great!

They ditched the Touareg and redesigned a full-size SUV, naming it "Atlas." Much larger than the Touareg it replaced, but has NO diesel engine offering, which is just a shame. I've seen many around here, too, so they MUST be popular, because we don't even have a VW dealership withing 300 miles....

Thanks....didn't know it had a new name......they look really nice.....carried over the lines from Audi too.

driver100

venture said:

stickguy said:

my LG has the same top load cartridge. I think it is about 6 months when it asks for a new one. I usually reset it and do it the next time. I know when it really needs it when the water stops flowing out normally.

I buy them in bulk through discount filters (I think it is called) online. When they have a big discount. I think the last time I paid $50 something for 6, and they included a 10 pack of magic erasers which was nice.

$50 for 6? Holy cow. The ones for my refrigerator are over $50 each.

But, they probably actually work!

stickguy

Last time it was I think a different brand but look like these. The site sends emails with discounts on a regular basis. When they drop 60% off I buy.

https://www.discountfilters.com/refrigerator-water-filters/clearchoice-clch106-3-pack/p181199/?finder=brand:10|style:2|location:5|removal:9

graphicguy

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

Having lived for a while in Indianapolis, and been relatively close to Indy a good portion of my life, I'm more of an Indy Race fan.

But, a few years ago while on a business trip I was offered a tour of Daytona Speedway, and allowed a few laps in a NASCAR set up. Had to do some training and have a certified driver next to me, but the fastest I've ever gone on 4 wheels came in that car. Probably the biggest automotive thrill of my life

Do they use Camry's to race? Are they using FWD cars now? Wouldn't a RWD car win easily over a FWDer?

They raced this car. Dollar General pulled out of NASCAR. This car is RWD. 5.7L V8, 850HP. It was a beast! Twitchy until you got it up to speed (around 140 MPH). Once up to speed, driving it made sense. You could hold a line. Wrecking or hitting a wall (especially on the banks) wasn’t as much of a concern.

Of course, there were only two cars on the track. Put a crowd out there? I would imagine it gets really hairy really quickly! I’d probably kill myself and someone else in the process in a crowd.

I thought these cars were supposed to be like the same car we can buy, only beefed up. You mean they can change it all and use the body and it is still a Camry? It seems only the skin is a real Camry.

I’m not a NASCAR aficionado, but my understanding is when NASCAR started, they were truly cars you could buy off the showroom floor and then you modified to make it go faster.

Obviously, this car is not that. I know they have rules, but I don’t know what they are. None of the ones I saw resembled anything you could buy at a dealership, outside of badging and the shape of the body.

All I know, the one I drove was nowhere near streetable. And, it was built with only one purpose.....go fast around the track. Everything was removed or added to in order to further its sole, intended purpose.

BTW...if you’re a car buff, in the least, it’s worth it to go to Daytona and tour the museum. Henry Ford’s first race car is there, as well as some legendary memorabilia. Fascinating. Also, for around $300, you can drive on the track in one of the (decommissioned) NASCARs (with a track instructor barking orders at you).

Another worthwhile museum is the Corvette Museum in Kentucky (including looking down into the sink hole where all the destroyed Corvettes are entombed).

graphicguy

stickguy said:

my LG has the same top load cartridge. I think it is about 6 months when it asks for a new one. I usually reset it and do it the next time. I know when it really needs it when the water stops flowing out normally.

I buy them in bulk through discount filters (I think it is called) online. When they have a big discount. I think the last time I paid $50 something for 6, and they included a 10 pack of magic erasers which was nice.

I have an LG, too. I buy those filters from discountfilter.com too. Mine sound the same price.....around $60 for 3 of them. The air filter is in the back top of the fridge. Looks like a mini furnace air filter......$20....change it every year.

I keeps you from having to constantly swap out boxes of baking soda in your fridge.

stickguy

I think they are all the same car (chassis) underneath (called “car of the future”). Which highly regulated bodywork, vaguely resembling a production model. But no parts can be found on a street car. The engines may be built be each manufacturer, but those also have to follow strict guidelines so realistically are probably all the same too.

dino001

I have a major blowup with my spanking new LG dishwasher.

The electronic control module broke went down (machine is dead) in early September, so I call LG, they schedule a technician, he came, assessed it with his magic wand, took picture of the plate and "see you later, we will call you when the part comes". So, you don't have any parts? No. That's NOT what the lady at LG had told me, but whatever. I asked him how long, he said "not long". So OK, I can live without it for couple of days more, say a week. Week passes by, nobody calls, so I call the service provider. The lady says "part of backorder, scheduled for November". Are you !$*?&%@ kidding me?!! First why didn't you call me, you thought it was OK to keep me in the dark for three months waiting until you grace comes with the part? Whatever. She told me to call LG to see if they can "expedite". So I did - after over one hour call, multiple "can you hold" (cause they have no real records of anything), she come with a promise the part will be "available" Sept 26 (that's last week). Well, let's give them a few days more, so they can ship it. Calling the service place yesterday. They know nothing about part coming, they have the old November date. %$@#*!!!! I call LG again. The woman OF COURSE has no record of any promises made to me or anything other than my %$%# dishwasher is broken. This time I unload on her. I know she is not at fault personally, but the organization is clearly failing piece of garbage (if garbage can actually fail). This time she promised to "escalate" the problem into possibility of a replacement. Two-to-four business days for the review. Whatever. I don't really know what else to do. I have one more card - I bought it at Costco and they generally bend over backwards, but I just feel it wouldn't be fair to them without trying the manufacturer to keep their promise first, as this is now five months since the purchase.

I was warned about this in the past, as LG has been notorious in the past for lack of availability of parts, but I also heard they made major strides in this. If this is after major strides, I can only imagine how it was a few years ago when they came to the market.

Things break. That stuff happens. But having such poor part support for fairly expensive machines (LG positioned itself above the "average brand" in both pricing and merchandising), it's simply unacceptable. I was thinking about buying other pieces of appliance (microwave and induction stove) soon and my laundry/dryer are also well over 10 years old, so their time may come sooner than later. I'm single, so they don't have quarter of cycles as say married couple with children would put into them, they don't exhibit signs of wear, tear or fatigue, but old things broke even when not used much. LG is out of the consideration, regardless how this fiasco is resolved. Too late for them to really recover. It's too bad, their machines look "pretty" and have lots of clever features.

STAY AWAY. Too late for me, but you can save yourself from this.

stickguy

I ended up buying an LG fridge. It just was the nicest, and fit the hole it had to go into. Took the chance it would not cause problems. But later got a Samsung stove!

fintail

Lucky Goldstar might not be so lucky?

When my building was built in 2003, all of the units were outfitted with basic "Hotpoint" brand appliances. I am still on the original units, which have had virtually no issues - but I am a gentle and light user.

dino001

stickguy said:

I ended up buying an LG fridge. It just was the nicest, and fit the hole it had to go into. Took the chance it would not cause problems. But later got a Samsung stove!

They are nice, indeed. But if something breaks (which it may or may not), you're not a priority, even in the warranty period. Defects should be rare, but they do happen and so be it, that's just luck of a draw, but lack of support is unacceptable. Circuit board for a recent model is basic stuff.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Air filter! Oh, just another filter to replace. I have no idea why you would need an air filter...I never noticed any noxious smells emanating from our refrigerator.

On the opposite side of the refrigerator shell there's a box about the same shape as the water filter box. It has a snap open area about 3" x 5" where a small, but expensive filter can go in. The air from the freezer goes through that filter on the way into the refrigerator area. It supposed traps smells in its carbon impregnated fibers.

We just put a box of baking soda in the top shelf area where the air from this filter blows gently. Our fridge did NOT come with that filter. I was disappointed. I put it in the same category with car cabin filters that are carbon impregnated and supposedly filter out a little bit of the smell in incoming air. Only a small portion of the air touches the fibers of the filter to have noxious molecules snatched from that air by the carbon. Most flows through the middle of the opening.

graphicguy

My LG products have been great (OLED TV, Fridge, stove). Not sure of the status of Kenmore appliances these days, but I know they rebadged quite a few LG appliances as Kenmore at one time.

@dino001 ....might want to look at some of the authorized Kenmore service companies to get service. They may stock the parts.

dino001

Yeah, my problem it's currently on the warranty, so I'm "at mercy" of the manufacturer, if I want it free, unless I want another fight. Right now I'm waiting for them to respond to the escalation request. Then I'll call Costco "concierge" service to see if there is anything they can do to ease my pain, like take this POS back and sell me a new one, preferably different brand. Not overly optimistic on this, but miracles happen.

Kenmore is all over the place. Stoves are Frigidaire, there are some Whirlpool, others LG, like you said. One would have to investigate it. Plus this is electronic boards, which may have some small unique codes in them to differentiate one from another. Who knows. Anyway, now it's just a waiting game.

graphicguy

dino001 said:

Yeah, my problem it's currently on the warranty, so I'm "at mercy" of the manufacturer, if I want it free, unless I want another fight. Right now I'm waiting for them to respond to the escalation request. Then I'll call Costco "concierge" service to see if there is anything they can do to ease my pain, like take this POS back and sell me a new one, preferably different brand. Not overly optimistic on this, but miracles happen.

So, it’s still under warranty. Is it Costco’s extended warranty (Square Trade)? I’ve dealt with Square Trade extended warranty. They’re very good. I doubt they’ll replace it unless they can’t fix it (which is a possibility in your case if the parts aren’t available).

ab348

I have heard enough horror stories about Samsung and LG appliances that I will never buy them again. TVs maybe, but not appliances. Maybe Whirlpool and GE and Frigidaire/Electrolux are no better but I will take that chance.

My own story is not as bad as those earlier because my machine sort of still works. In 2010 I needed a new washer and dryer, and upon the recommendation of the store clerk I had dealt with in the past and trusted, purchased a LG front-load washer/dryer pair because she said they worked well, her customers liked them, and they hadn't heard of many problems with them.

She was right, they did work well and were a delight to use. But 2 years ago the display on the washer went wonky one day. Where it used to display the time for the load to finish and then count it down, that display suddenly was unintelligible. Out of warranty by then so I did some searching online. Discovered that it was not an uncommon problem but that LG had discontinued the small circuit board that needed replacing. If it was available it was an easy fix, but without it you needed to try (or have someone try) to fix it by resoldering all the points on the board that might be the cause of the failure. Since the machine itself still worked I passed. But why discontinue a part for a machine that at the time was probably still being sold new 5 years earlier?

dino001

ab348 said:

But why discontinue a part for a machine that at the time was probably still being sold new 5 years earlier?

To make you buy a new one. I thought there are federal laws requiring manufacturers to keep parts available for number of years. But this may be by industry, e.g. I know vehicle manufacturers definitely cannot turn their backs on their product so quickly. I think the minimum period is something like 10 years. But it wouldn't surprise me if appliances were not so lucky.

dino001

graphicguy said:

dino001 said:

Yeah, my problem it's currently on the warranty, so I'm "at mercy" of the manufacturer, if I want it free, unless I want another fight. Right now I'm waiting for them to respond to the escalation request. Then I'll call Costco "concierge" service to see if there is anything they can do to ease my pain, like take this POS back and sell me a new one, preferably different brand. Not overly optimistic on this, but miracles happen.

So, it’s still under warranty. Is it Costco’s extended warranty (Square Trade)? I’ve dealt with Square Trade extended warranty. They’re very good. I doubt they’ll replace it unless they can’t fix it (which is a possibility in your case if the parts aren’t available).

No, at this point it is manufacturer's warranty. The item is only 5 months old. Costco has a deal with manufacturers extending standard one year to two years for all their appliances and electronics, as a standard. You can also purchase Square Trade on top of it, but I didn't. I actually have a Costco Citi card that throws in 2 extra year for all purchases, Costco or not (I bought it using this card).

I only mentioned Costco, as they also have their "concierge" service attached to all electronics and appliances, as a free extra. You call them, rather than the mfr and they make the arrangements. I did not use it (I should have), I just called LG directly. Costco is also known for being very accommodative to its members and bending over backwards to make them happy. So I'm thinking if LG decides to protract the issue, I'll call that "concierge" after all and see if they can do something more, like let me swap the item (not likely, but one can ask).

carnaught

I’ve had a set of two LG washers and dryers at two different homes. They were ok, although the most recent washer required service, yet was still operable. I heard LG is best with TV’s, maybe refrigerators also. Who knows? I have a new LG refig. due in from S. Korea soon. I may cancel and get a Whirlpool instead. In our experience Whirlpool/Maytag still make the best washer, dryers, though.

stickguy

We have a mix. Fridge is LG. Washer, dryer and stove Samsung. DW I think is A kitchen aide maybe. It’s a panel ready one, so few options. I did have to rebuild the top rack adjusters and guides. That kit was a whirlpool or Maytag part, whichever company owns the brand.

My hope is to move by the spring, and include the big appliances in the deal!

dino001

carnaught said:

I’ve had a set of two LG washers and dryers at two different homes. They were ok, although the most recent washer required service, yet was still operable. I heard LG is best with TV’s, maybe refrigerators also. As I said, I have a new LG refig. on order from S. Korea. I may cancel and get a Whirlpool instead. In our experience Whirlpool/Maytag still make the best washer, dryers, though.

My mom swears by her Electrolux, but that's European market, completely different models and manufacturing facilities. Her washer is compact in size in comparison with those here. It's second one she owns. First one lasted something like 15 years, or even more. One thing the technician told her, was all mfrs. (at least in Europe) went with plastic bearings and bushings for the tumbler drum. She bought "last model" he recommended that still had steel bearings. I wonder if we has same trend here. I know that's the case for dishwashers (no heater element, plastic moving parts), not sure if it's same for washers.

stickguy

On the fridge, wife actually originally picked out a “domestic” (whirlpool or Maytag, I forget which). We ended up exchanging it because it was obscenely noisy. The LG is whisper quiet in comparison.

replaced a GE which did not really last that long, and had multiple problems.

PF_Flyer

roadburner said:

I decided to bite the bullet and have our 50 gallon electric water heater replaced; it hadn'r failed but it was 21 years old and I decided I'd rather do it now rather than have it spring a leak at an inconvenient time. Total cost was $790, which I thought wasn't bad considering the heater alone goes for around $716. So this year I've replaced my pressure tank, sump pump, and water heater. Hopefully the next time they go it will be my son's problem...

The joys of home ownership

dino001

I think majority of the appliances perform well enough and without fault for at least several years, regardless of brand. I do hear and read that those parts are getting less and less durable, introducing "planned failure and/or obsolescence", especially when combined with early discontinuation of replacement part production (which I think is ridiculous and should be regulated if they are unwilling to follow reasonable schedule). The issue is really the actual support in case of those rare failures. My dishwasher could have been Whirlpool, Frigidaire, or Samsung and chances of this breakdown were similar. But after that, LG completely dropped the ball. Best scenario they were unprepared, worst they don't care.

graphicguy

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-long-range-premium-review-pictures-2018-10

abacomike

dino001 said:

I’ve had a set of two LG washers and dryers at two different homes. They were ok, although the most recent washer required service, yet was still operable. I heard LG is best with TV’s, maybe refrigerators also. As I said, I have a new LG refig. on order from S. Korea. I may cancel and get a Whirlpool instead. In our experience Whirlpool/Maytag still make the best washer, dryers, though.

My mom swears by her Electrolux, but that's European market, completely different models and manufacturing facilities. Her washer is compact in size in comparison with those here. It's second one she owns. First one lasted something like 15 years, or even more. One thing the technician told her, was all mfrs. (at least in Europe) went with plastic bearings and bushings for the tumbler drum. She bought "last model" he recommended that still had steel bearings. I wonder if we has same trend here. I know that's the case for dishwashers (no heater element, plastic moving parts), not sure if it's same for washers.

I inherited a 40+ year old Electrolux canister type vacuum from my parents.  It still works perfectly and I can still get bag replacements. It has a long-handled vacuum sweeper which plugs into the unit - it acts like a current vacuum with brushes that rotate (has its own electric motor) for carpets and floors.

Definitely an antique.

tjc78

When we did our kitchen 7 years ago we bought a “matching” Kenmore set.  Good prices at the time, so it made sense 

Like mentioned earlier, true brands are all mixed.  Range is a Fridgidaire, Fridge is an LG, DW is a Whirlpool.  Not really sure what the microwave or disposer is.  

stickguy

PF_Flyer said:

roadburner said:

I decided to bite the bullet and have our 50 gallon electric water heater replaced; it hadn'r failed but it was 21 years old and I decided I'd rather do it now rather than have it spring a leak at an inconvenient time. Total cost was $790, which I thought wasn't bad considering the heater alone goes for around $716. So this year I've replaced my pressure tank, sump pump, and water heater. Hopefully the next time they go it will be my son's problem...

The joys of home ownership

I’m trying to coerce the wife into moving/downsizing. And at this point, renting might actually make more sense financially. But I don’t think she could get over the psychological hurdle! I may not even be able to swing a townhouse. But I am really over dealing with house problems, and all the ongoing expenses.

jmonroe1

venture said:

stickguy said:

my LG has the same top load cartridge. I think it is about 6 months when it asks for a new one. I usually reset it and do it the next time. I know when it really needs it when the water stops flowing out normally.

I buy them in bulk through discount filters (I think it is called) online. When they have a big discount. I think the last time I paid $50 something for 6, and they included a 10 pack of magic erasers which was nice.

$50 for 6? Holy cow. The ones for my refrigerator are over $50 each.

I told you how to fix that. :@

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

cdnpinhead said:

xwesx said:

These vending machines actually exist?

Yes, they absolutely do. There's one alongside the 202 freeway in Tempe here in AZ.

Man that's a lotta quarters.

tifighter

graphicguy said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-long-range-premium-review-pictures-2018-10

ab348

graphicguy said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-long-range-premium-review-pictures-2018-10

Holy fanboy, Batman! That takes puff piece to a whole new level.

fintail

Check out his other pieces, definitely a fanboy, and they sure like Kool-Aid. His slightly grating hyperbole kind of reminds me of the annoying Scotty Kilmer on Youtube.

Great car if you have 60K to spare, charging infrastructure in your house, and have a lot of free time on trips exceeding 200 miles.

ab348 said:

Holy fanboy, Batman! That takes puff piece to a whole new level.

graphicguy

tifighter said:

graphicguy said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-long-range-premium-review-pictures-2018-10

Thought you’d like that!

tifighter

Oh, fine.

fintail said:

Great car if you have 60K to spare,

LR RWD 3 Premium starts at $49K before any incentives. Inventory is available now. But it's true that you can't lease one (yet).

charging infrastructure in your house,

I guess:



and have a lot of free time on trips exceeding 200 miles.

LR has 310 mile range. Or four hours + continuous driving. I'm ready for a break then anyhow. Supercharger gets you 0 to 80% in around 30 minutes which doesn't seem too bad to me. There will be 8 Supercharger locations in East. Washingon by the end of the year alone (even in Okanogan, believe it or not).

The 3 isn't perfect for everyone, but more and more people are finding it works for them.

stickguy

definitely a fan. But kinda made me want one! Not at that price of course.

fintail

Incentives will (hopefully sooner than later, as they are a sharp misuse of resources IMO) eventually be gone, and how many cars in stock are true base models?

I'd love drop my car off at a random parking garage to charge it, walk home, then come back and pick it up later. Convenience. Maybe 3 of the 100 units in my building would be willing to pay for chargers, so it won't be for where I live. My workplace has chargers, and if you arrive by 6am you might even get a spot. Maybe. Then you'll hog it all day and block the Leaf drivers.

Great for a local car, no doubt (hardworking bootstrapping definitely not lucky Bellevue Stepfords love the Model X for gallery mall cruising), but for road trip people, just not there yet. 310 mile range works out to what in the real world cruising at 75-80 with accessories and hills? Give me real world 500 mile range (and maybe some nicer design, I am not into the Apple car ideal), and I'll be more than willing to take the step (and probably choose the same color as you).

tifighter said:

Oh, fine.

LR RWD 3 Premium starts at $49K before any incentives. Inventory is available now. But it's true that you can't lease one (yet).

LR has 310 mile range. Or four hours + continuous driving. I'm ready for a break then anyhow. Supercharger gets you 0 to 80% in around 30 minutes which doesn't seem too bad to me. There will be 8 Supercharger locations in East. Washingon by the end of the year alone (even in Okanogan, believe it or not).

The 3 isn't perfect for everyone, but more and more people are finding it works for them.

xwesx

jmonroe1 said:

That's about what it is in the Burgh area. On the local 6 PM news one of the major local stations usually shows what the national average cost of gas is and in PA and in the Burgh. We always have the highest price. We are just numb to it by now.

Saw this on the internet:

Who has the highest gas tax?
The highest state gas tax is assessed in Pennsylvania, at 58.2 cents per gallon, with Washington State (49.4 cpg) and Hawaii (44.39 cpg) following closely behind. Alaska drivers pay the lowest rate in the country at 12.25 cents per gallon. Jan 27, 2017

If the above is true, the cost of gas in Alaska must be due to the cost of the gas itself not the tax.

You have to admit, it's nice to know there is always a reason for why we pay what we pay for gas.

jmonroe

Yes, definitely true. We (Alaskans) should pay much more in taxes on fuel.

Currently, there's just a lot of profit going to those moving the commodity. They price it right at the edge of unreasonable, and, like you say, we're so used to paying it that we don't balk anymore. Even if we did balk, there's zero competition, so all they have to do is price it a half-cent lower than it would cost to ship it up from Seattle.

Washington fuel prices were pretty similar to here, but I honestly feel a little better knowing that a good chunk of that is taxes to (presumably) go back into the roads. WA roads are blissful in comparison to Alaska roads. Actually, most places' roads are so! We have a challenging climate, for sure, but we also have a broken governmental funding structure, and very few people with the cajones to fix it.

stickguy

come to NJ. we have the newly high gas taxes (to go along with sky high every other tax), dysfunctional government, much corruption, nobody standing up to it, and craptastic roads.

Basically, we got it all!

xwesx

stickguy said:

come to NJ. we have the newly high gas taxes (to go along with sky high every other tax), dysfunctional government, much corruption, nobody standing up to it, and craptastic roads.

Basically, we got it all!

I purposefully avoid NJ, though I still suspect I would find them surprisingly better than here. I could be wrong, but I haven't found a place yet that is worse, and everyone likes to complain about their roads!

driver100

Dino....call Costco immediately, don't mess around. Costco can put pressure on their suppliers. They don't want unhappy customers. Don't mess around with those incompetents....Costco may even let you buy the extended warranty still.

graphicguy

driver100 said:

Dino....call Costco immediately, don't mess around. Costco can put pressure on their suppliers. They don't want unhappy customers. Don't mess around with those incompetents....Costco may even let you buy the extended warranty still.

Good advice. That's what I'm thinking. Costco has never disappointed me when it came time to support anything they sold I had a problem with.

venture

stickguy said:

Last time it was I think a different brand but look like these. The site sends emails with discounts on a regular basis. When they drop 60% off I buy.

https://www.discountfilters.com/refrigerator-water-filters/clearchoice-clch106-3-pack/p181199/?finder=brand:10|style:2|location:5|removal:9

I subscribed to get the discounts. Their normal price is more than Whirlpool charges and Whirlpool has free shipping.

Let's see what happens.

henryn

With everything I have heard and read about NJ, I suspect that is about the last place in the USA where I would want to live. But then, if someone offered me a really great job there, who knows? It all comes down to 1 or more of 3 things. Where you already are (the biggest single factor), where you can find a good job, and (at an older age, like many of us here), where did your kids wind up?

henryn

Sometimes I despair for this world. I lost my yellow lab (see avatar picture) to lymphoma about 3 months ago, and I have been looking around thinking to find another companion for my remaining dog. There are people on Craigslist running scams involving pets. This is, to me, shocking and inexcusable. There are some horrible people in this world.

stickguy

Venture, if you signed up, they will send our regular sale emails. varying % off. They occasionally hit 50%, and very rarely 60%.

Henry, sadly my daughter that I expected to stay in the south, came back up to NJ. Our son moved up to NY, which is probably worse than living in NJ. So they did not help me out at all.